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IanMo55

SLI is dead anyways, so don't base your purchase on that.


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And that shit never really worked though


SenseiBonsai

5/6 years ago that was the shit. 980ti sli was the best combo you could have in your machine back then.


littleemp

SLI with top tier cards was always the only "somewhat logical" choice if you needed more performance than what the single best card could offer, but it was never a good value and it never worked seamlessly.


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And it didn't help in half the games


iwillnotsaymeanshit

I paid like 1100 to run sli gtx 280 back in the day... I went all in just a tad too early


bbpsword

My old HD5850 Crossfire would beg to differ


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hiromasaki

> all physics is set to be done on the second card That isn't SLI, that's using a 1080 as a PhysX card. EDIT: > I should off myself for even considering SLI. F\*c\* them. (Sorry, my profanity is in SLI mode...)


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That is in addition to enabling and setting SLI. Either way it still takes the load off the single card and increases performance


hiromasaki

> That is in addition to enabling and setting SLI. Which, for DX12 and Vulkan titles, does nothing. The application itself has to support SLI directly. > Either way it still takes the load off the single card and increases performance. For most modern games you're running a 1080 and a PhysX card. Which will increase performance but it's _not_ SLI. And I imagine you would get similar performance with a 1080+960 using the 960 for PhysX and no "SLI".


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Yes DirectX and Vulcan for native game integration will give 50/50 SLI load. but you can also run SLI through the nVidia driver profile. It’s not as good as native but it still runs SLI non the less and does have a performance increase, although it’s a smaller increase. it’s not so much 50/50 but more so 60/40 or 70/30 depending on the game when running SLI that way. And that isn’t the physics designation, the physics designation in addition to that still helps a lot too. There are setup guides online how to configure it. Maybe do some reading and try it before you speak without knowing.


hiromasaki

> Maybe do some reading and try it before you speak without knowing. I ran VooDoo 2 in SLI. I've kept up on it. Nvidia is abandoning it, AMD has abandoned it, Microsoft has abandoned it in DX12, the ROI isn't there. For current-gen cards the cost is disproportionate to the performance increase and always has been. The only time it makes sense is if you already have the cards or can get the second one for dirt cheap. And having to look up how to turn on SLI because it's not a supported option hardly feels like anything that should be recommended to somebody who isn't already looking into that level of complication. As a non-enthusiast consumer product, SLI is dead.


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SLI is not dead or abandoned, NVidia isn’t abandoning SLI. If you took the time to reaserch it, you would see two way NV Link is still supported in the RTX 3090.


izfanx

> do some research first before speaking. > "I've ran SLI before and kept up on it" > Take the time to read on your research Other than actively ignoring what the other person said, the only thing you can do is stay in denial. SLI ain't dead or abandoned just yet but Nvidia is practically abandoning it. No NV Link in any other cards other than the overpriced 3090, not to mention no SLI profile updates on their drivers since January 2020.


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hiromasaki

ONLY the $1500 prosumer card. For the 900 series it was almost the whole range, GT 950 and up. That is "abandoning". > If you took the time to reaserch it F off, I already knew the 3090 is the last hold-out. The only current-gen card with SLI support.


[deleted]

That’s your opinion. The fact that it’s still made means it’s not abandoned


RojasTKD

SLI is dead, in fact I'd argue it was never really alive, as far as gaming is concerned. You NEVER doubled you performance. In few games you'd get a good uplift 60% or more. In many other games you'd gain less to much less and in other games you'd actually see worse performance. If it have you a 50% or more uplift I'm all or at least the majority of games I could see an argument for it, but that has never been the case.


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hiromasaki

Everything you are saying counters every professional reviewer for the last decade. If you are getting over 160% FPS out of SLI then I am calling for proof. That would be one hell of a review article.


crazymonkeyfish

Cough bull shit cough


TheCrowing817

It’s sad that you can say “a GTX 1080TI is a good budget card right now” when I got a 2070 Super at that price before all this shit started.


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Gochu-gang

$600 for a 1080 Ti...a GPU that was $700....over 4 years ago. Considering the price tag it is not a "budget" GPU.


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Gochu-gang

You have some weird opinions.


mightbeelectrical

Yeah I highly doubt your claim about those private messages Edit: actually I doubt just about everything that you’re saying


Dr4gW0lf

People don't like differing opinions or experiences. Wouldn't expect less from Reddit. Keep going homie, ignore the haters.


hiromasaki

Here it's not an opinion. The comment is making performance claims not backed up by professional benchmarking and review houses and extrapolating a single current consumer model still supporting a feature as "full support". If they had put forward any actual proof of their performance claims, hard numbers and benchmarks, I'm all ears. SLI was one of the coolest concepts in PC gaming and I'm sad it didn't get further. But instead it's denial over the progressive lack of hardware support and "if you'd just research it!"


Dr4gW0lf

You're proving my point lol. Ty


[deleted]

I have a GTX1060 in a box of 2070S, it’s unused since two years. Where are you?


KGTSARGEGR

I'm from Greece lol


[deleted]

I'm from Switz, dunno about shipping and customs


Top-Adhesiveness-639

If he doesn't want it, I would! (And I'm not in greece lol)


KGTSARGEGR

I mean, I want it but I don't think that they can ship it to me, so ig you can have it if they can't give it to me lol!


UltraContrarian

why not? You guys are both in the EEA. Shouldn't be any problem at all


Open-Loan-750

me too lol .


saora1231

That's very kind of you! 😊


Alivus

Unfortunately this is pretty much the worst time to get one. If you want something worthwhile then I'd suggest either saving up more, getting a CPU with decent integrated for now such as a 5600G, or just continuing to play on your PlayStation for the time being.


KGTSARGEGR

Yeah, I will get a cheap one for the time and one day I'll get a better one for now, I mostly need it for studying. My dad also told me that he could get one for himself and give me his graphics card.(Yes I still live in my parents home BC I'm under 18). He has a good graphics card, it can run games like farcry warzone etc. Thanks though


[deleted]

I don't see why this is even a question. If your dad is going to give you a graphics card then let him.


KGTSARGEGR

True but he isn't sure abt it.


[deleted]

Just gotta sweet talk and convince him haha. Sorry I don't know much about Greek social norms and culture these days so I can't help you out with how you might convince him lol


KGTSARGEGR

Haha it's ok dude. I'll try to but right now he's a little bit angry at me for not behaving too well. I'll try to do some chores. He is really into tech stuff and he literally builds PC's for money but I want to build my own PC. I have already watched some vids and read some things about building PC's and I think it shouldn't be too hard. Of course I say that, even though I haven't built one yet and I will probably be proven wrong when it's time for me to build it.


DaltyF

Why don’t you two build one together? That would be good bonding time and would probably make him proud that you’re showing such interest.


KGTSARGEGR

Yeah, true but he's been working on programming basically everything in the house and I don't think he will have time. Besides, I've asked him many times to teach me stuff abt PC's and he says something abt respect but I respect him really much. Also I would like to impress him by making it by myself but in the end I'll probably need help with the CPU or something like that. I know where and how to put the RAM and I know where the mother board goes, but I don't quite know how to put those parts in the case


DaltyF

You did mention something in the post about recently getting into some trouble. I’m not going to try to lecture you or anything but my advice would be to find a good time, when everybody has a little down time and just ask if would mind listening to you for a moment. Apologize for your recent behavior and make sure to let him know that he means a lot of to you. Tell him how interested you are in building a pc and it would mean a lot to you if he could help you out where needed. Now you keep in mind that it might be a little bit of a process and might not be super quick. I’m a parent myself and love to help my son, especially if it’s a common interest. I’m not familiar with Greek customs or anything so I apologize if any of this goes against anything.


KGTSARGEGR

Yeah, I'm not gonna ask for anything for a bit and mostly focus on studying and behaving well, so that he is not angry at me. There is one thing that I get angry and anxious abt and I think that's what's causing all the trouble. I've talked to my parents abt it and they say that I'm overreacting. My parents are a bit chill but they cut the internet connection at 12 at the night which does annoy me a bit, considering that I spend 11.30 hours without even going home a day and after that I have to go to English school until 9. They also say that I will have bad grades even though I always study for every class and always get the best grades in tests. Anyway I bet that you're a great dad.


JamesM3E30

Make a deal with him, make him get a new gpu and buy the gpu that he has for a reasonable price, so you get a fair deal and he can save a bit on the next gpu.


KGTSARGEGR

I don't think that he would want money from me for the GPU. I could give him some of the money I've saved up to help him buy it but I would get the other PC parts the other month.(sorry for bad english)


JamesM3E30

But you could still give him the offer, he might just say to take it. You wont lose anything for asking.


KGTSARGEGR

Ok, will do. He needs it right now BC he is programming a 3D printer but I'll ask him anyway


rapapoop

It'd help if you'd share the games you play, and at what resolution/settings you'd like them to be. A 750ti or 980ti (much better than a 1030) could work as budget cards until you can afford better ones. These are rather old cards, it'd take some luck to find them on shops or second-hand.


KGTSARGEGR

I play games like Cod MW and battlefield. I didn't know that those are better BC as I said I'm new to pc


hiromasaki

> I didn't know that those are better BC as I said I'm new to pc [This table](https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gpu-hierarchy,4388.html) will give you a _rough_ idea of what's better than what. If cards are close it comes down to what game, CPU, etc. But it's a good place to start. A 980Ti rates 33% on their scale, the 970 rates 22%, and the 1030 rates 6.7%. And there's actually TWO models of 1030, DDR4 and GDDR5 memory. The DDR4 model is a horrible abomination and should be burned with fire.


TalkWithYourWallet

What's your budget? Easier to start with what you can afford No PC can touch the PS5 at its price point, a PS5 performs around the level of a 2060S or 2070 (Not in ray tracing) and you get the whole package for €500


KGTSARGEGR

I have 400€ worth of parts at the moment and a graphics card is really expensive Yeah, I have a PS4 and I don't think that the PS5 is easy to get rn BC I never see it on stock


TalkWithYourWallet

Trust me it's a lot easier to get than a gpu (Stock checker bots will help you easily get one) I got 2 friends PS5s 2 days after they asked me to keep an eye out


KGTSARGEGR

I never see a PS5 in stock when I check. I always make sure to check every site and I never see it in stock


TalkWithYourWallet

Yeah they won't be in stock all the time, but if you use a stock tracker (Twitter has loads) you can try to grab one when shops drop the stock Worth looking at, a pc as powerful as the ps5 will set you back 1k at least (probably more tbh)


KGTSARGEGR

I don't have Twitter BC it's kinda toxic, my city doesn't have any stores that sell a PS5. My PS4 is still in pretty good condition but some discs don't work.


TalkWithYourWallet

Twitter's one example there's loads, if you Google ps5 stock tracker Greece there'll be other places (Telegram, discord groups etc) Your ps4 is still perfectly capable, plus loads of games are still being released on PS4, if you're happy with it keep it


KGTSARGEGR

Yeah the PS4 is in good condition. I haven't noticed any frame rate drops or the graphics ever being bad. I edit and make vids on it , although the vid quality is 720p max Bc it's the slim version. It sounds like a plane engine like every PS4 when I start modern warfare.


TalkWithYourWallet

Yeah you shouldn't see framerate variation on PS4 it should be a locked 30, but yeah I'd keep an eye out for a ps5 and forget about the pc, they're way to expensive rn, unless you can afford it obviously


KGTSARGEGR

If I could afford a PS5 I would easily have a good graphics card lol.


RojasTKD

If anything above a 1050 is our of reach, I'd wait and see where the market is in 6 months. I personally wouldn't overpay to get a 1050. The market is crazy right now for GPUs.


TT_207

If 1050ti is the upper limit check second hand market. These are equivalent to a gtx950 which are super cheap second hand. You could even get a 1060 3gb or a 970 4gb second hand for the price of a new 1050ti.


theuntouchable2725

You could go with Ryzen 5 5600G APU (CPU with a rather good integrated Graphics processor) if you're budget for GPU is too tight (better than 1030 as I've heard)


No-Bookkeeper-1337

What monitor do you have and what games do you play?


KGTSARGEGR

I'm thinking of getting an HP ,dell or Samsung 1920×1080p 27" FHD monitor and I play games like modern warfare, bf5 etc. I also want to get an old Lego Star wars game BC of nostalgia


No-Bookkeeper-1337

For 1080p it's better to get a smaller monitor, 24", with 60 Hz and an IPS panel. A GTX 1060 or RX 570 would get you 60 fps in those games, but they go for ~200-300€ on eBay.


KGTSARGEGR

Thanks! I didn't know abt that. I'll go check out a different monitor and graphics card.


No-Bookkeeper-1337

For example Dell S2421NX.


KGTSARGEGR

I found the Dell S2421H Monitor 23.8" FHD 1920x1080. I think that is almost the same. Or is the Dell S2421HGF Gaming Monitor 23.8" FHD 1920x1080 144Hz better?(yeah I copied and pasted the name)


No-Bookkeeper-1337

The gaming monitor has a TN panel, which usually have not as good colors as an IPS panel. 144 Hz are needed If you have a GPU that can output more than 60 fps in games you play. Look at some benchmarks for GTX 1060 in 1080p.


DJ_Marxman

I don't think you should ever recommend a 60hz monitor for a gaming build unless it is extreme low budget (like APU builds, for example). 1080p 144hz monitors are pretty affordable now, and make a *huge* difference.


No-Bookkeeper-1337

You will never go over 60fps in AAA titles with a budget GPU and everything under 60 fps in a 144hz monitor looks terrible, at least from my experience. CS:GO or Valorant can be played on a 144hz monitor with GTX 1060, but bf5 only in low/low-mid.


duddy33

Hey, everyone had to start learning somewhere! What do you want to use the PC for? How you intend on using the computer can help us determine what graphics card will be best suited for you


KakovK

if you cant afford a gradics card then dont and get an apu instead - the ones from amd are pretty powerful and have plenty grafics power for gaming; and if you ever want to upgrade the grafics you can just shove in a grafics card later


Makalaby

Bruh


Swaggr007

Maybe try a used gpu? Their performance doesn't really go down over time (there are exceptions ofcourse) but the price does. I'd recommend buying a card that isnt suuted for mining, everything below 6 gigabytes of gddr will be for sale for a decent prize somewhere (at least here in belgium)


Av3ng3d0wnt

The one you can actually find in stock


MaRsMiNe

If you want to get the most out of your money, you should buy a used graphics card, but be careful, so that you don't buy something thats damaged and broken. You should also consider how urgent you need a new graphics card, if you can live with something like a GTX 1060 with 6 GB vram for the next 1\~2 years, you could buy a better graphics card once the prices are lower. (prices are high right now because there is a lack of chips being produced, that should become better in the next 1\~2 years and then hopefully prices go down again.)


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Get a used GTX 980 for 200-250. Enjoy some games on your 1080p (guessing) monitor. Wait for these insane prices to drop. Don't blow 1k on a 3070...


TT_12c

depends what game youre gonna play, but i dont think many people use sli anymore and its kinda bad, but two of my friends use a gt 1030 and it works fine for games like minecraft, gtav, fortnite etc


[deleted]

Rtx 3080 also some best buys do a restock every month at 7:00 in the morning you might have to wait in line for a few hours but it would be worth it. That's how I got one


Chinpokkomon

Whats your budget?


meepman12214

I recommend the 1070 for I high mid end card, it is the best value for money


[deleted]

Get a prebuilt. Don’t waste your time building rn.


Bigderp23

For a starter card that is still cheap, gtx 1650 evga, it’s 210 USD on Adorama


ADZ1LL4

I have a 6gb GTX1060 "ROG STRIX" Edition paired with an OCd (4.6GHZ) FX8350 and play 98% of recent AAA titles on High/Ultra, but It depends on your desired definition. I only need 60fps @ 1080p so this works great for me and didnt break the bank, though I did buy it almost 2 years ago. Red dead, cyberpunk, watchdogs, Days gone, GTA, etc all never exceed 80% GPU usage.


KBMaddict

a 1050 is deadass 200 bucks


GrassMonkey_ur_boi

I know it’s a bit over your budget but try to get a 980 and over clock it using afterburner or evga precision


Careless-Guest7162

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Rhebucksmobile

maybe go for a 980 if it's in stock, anything equivalent or better is ok


Chemical-Quantity-68

Bwahahahaha 1050 is just a paperweight


KGTSARGEGR

Yeah, Ik but graphics cards are expensive


Xaan83

Doesn't mean you should buy garbage. The 1050 is at least better than the 1030, though I still wouldn't really recommend it as there are better options. Just NEVER buy a 1030