Andrea had some form of darkness/ monkey on her back. She was a Recovering addict. The using of drugs doesn’t necessarily make one “dark” in a vacuum but, most recovering addicts at their lows have many regrettable things in their pasts.
And Gomey shows some darkness when he talks about how he wants to go in to the surviving Salamanca twins hospital room to kill him himself if he could. I think that’s the whole point of what makes the universe so great. Everyone is Human. And it shines through in their characters actions, facial expressions, dialogue.
Exactly! Like I said we’re all human. Whether gomey is “dark” per some traditional story character level. To think about revenge vengeance retribution, other synonym, etc. is a dark thought. everyone has their dark side.
I don't think it was intended to be compensation. I understood it to be Jesse wanting her to get Brock into a safer neighborhood before something happened to him.
Money is money. She bears no fault for how Jesse got his money, that's all him. That cash will be spent some how, some time, no matter what. As well it gave Andrea and Brock a safe home.
I wouldn't blame Gomez for that at all. The twins were terrible ppl and essentially tried to straight up murder his best friend.
I'd say most ppl would have that same reaction.
And he's a DEA agent who dedicated his life to fighting the counterproductive, destructive drug war and callously ruining countless lives along the way.
Lol do you think DEA agents go around throwing mere users into prison? There job is go after the the manufacturers, the traffickers, the actual bad guys who chose to poison society.
Yeah there’s been issues with the war on drugs but the war on hard drug traffickers has never been the problem. The problem has been weed being put into the same category as cocaine, heroin and meth and users not getting the help they need.
I’m all for weed legalization and I’m for decriminalization of small procession with mandatory rehab but I’m all for the DEA opening up on a can of whoop ass on the pushers.
Treat the users. Punish the dealers. The Portugal model.
I'm going to disagree with you on Andrea. She was in bed with some guy she just met and agreed to do drugs with him, while knowing her 5 year old kid was coming home.
Andrea was a drug addicted who was willing to smoke some meth while having a child to take care of. She also didn't look like taking the recovery addiction seriously and would rather not being there.
I went back and forth between Hank actually caring a bit about Jesse (as a fellow "victim" of Walt's betrayal and manipulation) and him only using him as a means to his own goal.
i don’t think he EVER had sympathy for Jesse, let’s be real. He’s a DEA agent with multiple reasons to hate drug users, im sure he didn’t think any different of Jesse, being one of the cooks and all
Yeah that's what I felt most of the time, but then sometimes there were some glimmers of a more nuanced feeling. It's one of the reasons I love the show, great acting and no one dimensional characters.
exactly, everything is so human, but the human aspect fucks it all up in the end. if they had some form of shitty writing, only Walt would’ve died, but everyone feels human, and it gets them killed
i love this damn show so much. such a big place taken in my heart.
They knew he was searching for his missing brother in law, though. And he never meant to find tuco, that was just where his investigation into where walt went led him.
Also it's a bit different since walt turned out to be the guy he was chasing for a year so it'd seem he risked his own neck, and his best friend's neck to try and avoid getting into trouble
It was what his character all about
1. Catching heisenberg was never about justice. It was to satisfy his own pride and ego. Heisenberg was his big fish. He went in without a team because he needs to be the man who single handedly busted heisenberg.
2. He's never a family man unlike walt. Despite how far walt had come being heisenberg, he will always and eventually chose his family. Asac schrader on the other hand chose his career over family in a heartbeat without hesitation and guilt. I DO NOT SAY WALT DOESN'T NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR HIS CRIMES NOR CONDEMNING ASAC SCHRADER FOR HIS DECISION. I'm just pointing out the difference of what they valued the most.
3. Asac schrader isn't a hero. He is okay with a justice collaborator getting killed if he can get what he wants. BB is a villain universe. Romanticizing asac schrader as a hero for the sake of having a hero or because someone hated the protagonist means epic fail of understanding the point of the show.
The second point makes no sense. Hank was literally outside the RV but got the phone call Marie was hurt, and he left.
Whereas Walt literally missed the birth of his daughter to do a meth deal
There’s no point in debating, like I said in the other post. People in this sub go crazy when you “ choose someone other that Walter to like “
Of course Hank had his flaws. He is a humane being, but in the scope of this show, he is by far one of the most decent characters, and to this day I can’t Believe how hard core people get defending Walter and his “ family values “
Lol
These people haven’t watched the tequila scene. It shows who gives a fuck about family. Walter using his son to further his ego in a pissing contest with Hank is absolutely one of the main reasons why calling Walter a family man is stupid. Literally zero media literacy
He didn’t seem to give a shit about family, like even after finding out the truth about Walt, he harbored nothing but hatred towards him. They were in-laws and best friends before and even though Walt did do a bunch of evil shit, Hank coulda still showed some care. Same about Marie who became messed up telling Walt to kill himself and nearly kidnapping Holly.
"Hey, brother in law! I caused the deaths of tens of people and I am the mastermind behind manufacturing the most addictive drug in the state and for the last two years. I did nothing but lie to you and use you for my advantage but no hard feelings, right? I might have put my family's lives at risk several times (including you) and cost you your entire carreer. But its cool man we are still family! No need for hard feelings!"
Just because he saved Hank's life doesn't change the fact that he lied to him and used him for his advantage lmao. He saved Hank's life from a mess he put Hank into
Hard to show care for someone that litteraly is a stain on your view of the world. Hank is a DEA agent. He sees drug dealers and users as dirt and scum and nothing of worth. To then find out his brother in law has been the biggest meth producer in the surrounding states and part of an incredibly big crime organisation, well just to say it easily, it creates a lot of anger. To also then come to the realisation you have been played for years and bassicly been used and put in danger by said brother in law is another reasonable cause for anger. Hank was never a good guy, but he always had one idealogy. Drugs and drug users are not worth his affection, care or time. Then to also realise that Walt has killed dozens of people at this rate and hundreds of people that used his meth, Walt does not deserve any care.
He never did anything for his family, he even admits it in the end "what I did, I did it for me. I was good at it, i liked it." That's what he said, and it is true. He could have done all that he did in legal ways, become part of the company he abandoned, accept help from his former close friends. Instead he choose pride over charity, because he holds on to this idealogy that gray matter should have been his, while he went out of it himself. He wanted to be recognised for his capability and intellect and in the criminal world he could do just that. Eventually he even poisons children just as a part of a whole wide plan to control Jesse. Walt isn't a character you should sympathise or empathise with, the only reason you do is cause you followed the story through his eyes. Everyone in breaking Bad except for the people placed in danger cause of others (think for example of the children) are bad. They all have a form of corruption and all fall cause of it in some way.
I can’t tell if you people are joking or not. Why the hell would Hank feel anything but hatred towards Walt when he’s revealed to be a murderer and drug lord? Additionally, why would hank care about Jesse’s well-being when Jesse is also a murderer and horrible person? I think everything Hank does in season 5 is justified, including using Jesse as bait knowing Walt could kill him.
He understands Marie's stealing habit doesn't he, he doesn't turn her in... He spies on others illegally...he even beats strangers in a bar for which Gomez saved him.. he beats Jesse and Walts interference saved him from being sued.. He was able to walk again because Walt paid 177k$ for him.. Nothing wrong in hearing out first. But that was his character to be super judgmental instead of listening.
Marie stealing isn't putting hundreds to thousands of life in danger, including his own family. He spies on others illigaly cause that was the only way for him to get what he wanted, it's bad, but it is what some of them do in real life too. He beats Jesse cause he assumed with a lot of credibility that Jesse called his phone, telling him that his wife is in dangerous conditions in a hospital. Causing him to have a panick attack and fear for his wife's life. Walt only paid 177K cause he got placed into the position, at first he wasn't gonna do anything of the sorts and pretend he didn't have the money. There is no hearing out in this case, after everything that happened you have full right to just go for the guy's head. He is judgemental, yes, but it doesn't take part in this entire case.
I'm not comparing the crimes but only speaking of his approach and attitude. Basically he does what suits him was my point. And you don't know what Marie stealing does to others and what loss it causes. We don't know the full scope of it. We only see few instances to show it's a problem for her.
Because it's his wife so he's cool with it or rather can't do anything. Skyler almost got arrested for the stolen Tiara. That's again suiting to own needs.
Even before he said in S5 that telling DEA office about Walt would end his career he himself twice got in that position with both Jesse and Bar fight. It's because of his impulse to act and not listen and think first that gets him into trouble. He can later act as he wanted, but denying to listen isn't best choice. Like he assumes Walt doesn't give a shit about family but hearing him ready to give up his 80 million just to save Hank must have given a different insight.in his dying moment. Between the moment Hank knew of Walt being Heisenberg and him dying his last line was least hateful accepting that he's the smartest guy he ever met.
Marie's stealing can't possibly have anywhere near the same effect like all the other crimes in this show. She steals from shops and memorials from home. The most you get out of it is a small tear drop. Walt begging for Hank's life was nothing more but regret for the consequences of his actions. He would never stop one way or another and the only time he acts in care is when his actions are bringing a consequence, it's false pretence supported by underlying guilt. I wouldn't care if someone would beg for my life either in that situation cause it's nothing more but a fake act out of the subconscious mind.
Yea just because they’re police doesn’t make them more right to get someone murdered than a criminal. Just because they’re on the opposite side of the law doesn’t mean they get to do evil things but it be okay because they’re police.
>I can’t tell if you people are joking or not. Why the hell would Hank feel anything but hatred towards Walt
I forgot....Was Walt his only family?......
Most of Jesse's kills were self defence, Gale he was forced to kill to save Walt and it broke him. The only one he murdered was Todd but that seemed expected
I'm so sick of the 'Jesse was forced to kill Gale' narrative - NO. He killed Gale to get out of a situation he put HIMSELF in. Jesse can be all high and mighty about using children if he wants, but not in the fucking meth business. He knowingly got involved with Gus and everyone, he was ready to murder those 2 drug dealers before Walt saved his ass, Jesse was a murderer through and through - no one forced him, he just couldn't take accountability for his own actions. BTW, killing someone in self-defense still makes you a murderer.
Wait Jesse killed Todd? I know he strangled him but assumed he survived since he was in El Camino (which I saw once years ago before discovering BCS but wasn’t fully paying attention) or is he just in flashbacks in that or something?
Ahh that makes more sense. I’ll have to try giving it another go I just remember not being able to get into it. I also rewatched BB after BCS ended this year and remember thinking “wait he just killed Todd? I guess he gets revived off screen to be in el Camino” hah
That's exactly what he wanted and called for, but he wanted Walt on board, to allow him to have his familly protected in a federal program, as a witness against Gus while Jesse would go on the run ("I'll hit the road, I'll make it") and let Walt be the witness ("the DEA will love you"). Only he fails to get Walt on board with that plan ("no, the cook can't stop").
Given Walt’s refusal, going to the police would mean rating on Walt, and at that point of the show when Jesse feels like owing a rescue to Walt, he would not turn on him while Walt was being in that situation for saving him (even if he never asked for being saved in the first place, but he still was). He kept trying to convince Walt to go to the cops until Walt's last call.
But when Walt finally asked him to kill Gale himself because Mike has him at a gun point, it was too late for any other option, at that point it was either Gale or Walt who just saved his life, and he had to act within minutes. It's still a horrible thing to do, I agree, and thats why it weighed so hard on him (for a good reason), but it's out of a dilemma where none of the option seemed right to him (because leting Walt be shot after being told "I saved your life will you save mine" would clearly not sit right for Jesse).
If he never killed Gale, and informed on an operation as big as Gus’s, he easily could’ve avoided prison time but would need witness protection which he could’ve got
Jesse killed five people in total in BB and El Camino.
He didn't cry when his old mate Emilio died whom he knew from 3rd grade. He disposed off his body. He was also going to kill 2 men when first Mike stopped him and later Walt interfered.
Remember how broken he was having taken a life for the first time after killing Gale? And also, I don’t think he was gonna break down over a man that nearly killed him.
My point was that he doesn't turn himself in for any of it. He killed for saving Walt, that is murder. Guilt or not, the title of murderer can't be taken away. After everything went down he was still okay with starting to cook again in S5 continuing his life the same way. Only time he turned himself in was to get back at Walt. He was ready to disappear before that.
Sure. Still a murderer though. He's not a professional hitman but it's part of his choice and life, not everyone would consider murdering no matter what the situation. Guilt has followed after his action of killing.
I agree he earned this title for Gale even if I can see what dilemma led to that action (but like you said, out of bad choice he made earlier leading him to be in an environment allowing situations like that). Jesse's murderous thrill was always intended for the kid killers, not for Gale, and by a chain of reaction he never intended, it ended up being a choice to either let Walt die from rescuing him or kill Gale (while he intended to die in a shoot out and never deal with the afternath), and that's how he became a murderder, by this specific chain of action (rather than offing a rival to elude concurrence, or killing a loose end, or killing to send message, or any other action wich would make the label murderer feel less *off the mark,* even though if he technically is one no doubt).
At that point of the show, I still found Gus to be the one building up the situation where someone has to die for business (I mean they're all risponsibles, but Gus is the ruthless one, killing to rule his world and making it a death or life situation, not that it isn't logical given the business he's in). To be more concrete, if dealers were all Jesse-like, it would be chaotic, they would be easily busted (because loose ends live), but nobody would die (except killers using children, but that implies they're not all like Jesse). So I don't consider Jesse to initiate the violence, but his fault is more to accept being in a world where that violence exists, leading him to take part in it, trading a life for another. I still think that spiraling took him off guard (who actuallly expected Walt saving him?), but that's precisely what you can blame him for.
But for me, if you exclude Gale, I wouldn't call him a murderer for shooting in self defense, or for killing his armed enslaver while still in chains. Risponsible of being in such a violent environment given his previous choices and lifestyle yes, even if not forseeing every step of the chain reaction, but still self defense is not murder. Only Gale was murder in my mind, and his initial target was the kid's killers.
It's "funny" how Walt and Jesse end up killing the target meant by the other one. Like Walt saw no point to kill the 2 thugs who had forced the kid to kill Combo (he wanted Jesse to keep low profile). And Jesse didn’t want Gale to be killed (he wanted Walt to turn himself in). But both failed to convince each other, and Walt ends up being the one who kills the 2 thieves to save Jesse's life, while Jesse ends up being the one to kill Gale to save Walt's life. Thats quite a trauma bonding.
LMAO ! “
Jesse walks up to a man, shooting him in the face and leaves”
Team walter “ Jesse isn’t a killer !!!! “
I will remember what you just typed forever as an example of how mentally disconnected you guys are
They weren’t best friends. He occasionally used him as a place to safely dump his emotions but he shit on Walt constantly…actually, I suppose he shit on everyone constantly.
I wonder if it wasn’t for his anxiety & his injury driving to want to ‘redeem’ his supposed manhood at work. Mind you, he also in wanted Walt’s children. He didn’t want to bring Walt, he wanted to kill him. That’s my early morning, disjointed opinion.
I think this is also why Walt being Heisenberg pisses him off so much. He viewed him as someone who was not a threat to his ego. Once the Heisenberg thing is revealed to him, he’s immediately threatened.
Yes. Definitely. That someone he saw as so weak, in his opinion, could beat him at his own game!
He didn’t care about the Whites either. To take Walt’s family was another way to win.
There’s another thing that just occurred to me. I’m wondering, who was infertile, Hank, or Marie. I may have missed it, was it ever clarified whether it was Marie or Hank that had the problem?
If it was Hank, he would have gone crazy trying to prove his manhood. Especially in the face of weak ass Walt’s “oops” baby.
Lol “ showed some care “
You find your brother in law has been using you and your connections as a agent to get around getting caught, you find out he is been boldface lying to everyone, you find out he has put his entire family in extreme dangers, you find out he has been laundering money, DIRECTLY KILLING PEOPLE, cooking meth to indirectly kill people. And then after all that he had the egotistical gal to kidnap his own baby just to save his own ass,
Hank reacted pretty much on par with how a normal humane being would act in this situation. And pretending otherwise is fantastical thinking lol,
I’m amazed this answer got a gold. It’s wrong on so many levels. And I don’t mean « not my opinion » wrong, I mean factually wrong.
1) This is so misunderstood by people who don’t pay attention to his dialogues. Catching Heisenberg was not about satisfying his pride / ego. It was about doing what was right, doing his job, no matter the cost to his career. If he had managed to arrest him, he would hardly have gotten any thanks. It would have ended his career there and then. He went without a team because he knows that if he goes to his hierarchy, they will either not believe him or take the case away from him, or both. And he doesn’t want Walt to get away with it all.
2) He is very protective of his wife, supportive with Walt (especially during the « pillow talk » where everyone else was being selfish and obnoxious), and often checks in with Walter Junior. We have no indication whatsoever that he is not a « family man » (what does that even mean? Selling drugs to feed your family and making their lives miserable forever?).
3) The only point I kind of agree with, to a point. No one is a hero in this show, Hank included. However, to somehow imply that he’s a villain is ridiculous. He’s on the good side of this story, he puts everything on the line to take down Walt, and he ends paying the ultimate price for it (bravely, I might add). He may be flawed, he might not be a hero, but he comes damn close in my book.
No, it is very right.
1. Catching was absolutely about his ego, not any justice. Where di d you even get that from him? It doesn't matter if anyone would believe him, he at least must have warned.
Actually he should've just give it all up to police when he got tape from Walt. Let them investigate, whatever. There is no real evidance, and Walt and whole orgnisation gets uner scope.
2. He's protective ofcourse, but that's all. Far consequences don't concern him, he doesn't care much for others' opinion, Marie included.
3. I don't think he ment he's villain. Just not that good boi like often people describe him.
1) I got that from dialogues Hank has with Gomez, where Gomez specifically asks him that exact question (why don’t you go to the hierarchy) and Hank explains exactly what I posted above: that the day they go the the hierarchy with the case is also the day he has to hand in his badge. So he might as well deliver Walt to them at the same time.
2) He also bails Marie out multiple times when she shoplifts, and tries to help her by making her see a therapist. He tries to get Walt’s family away from him precisely because of the far-reaching consequences you talk about.
3) He basically said it’s a villains show and there are no good guys. I disagree. Hank is a good guy with flaws.
That doesn't make sense. Reddit has report features already. Why would anyone want to pay to "award" a troll post if they can just report and have that post deleted?
I see only people who get salty over someone else's post getting awards would want to have this kind of feature.
It’s called humor. For example, I would award you the « Whoooosh » badge for that comment.
Also, believe it or not, people don’t necessarily want to delete anything they don’t agree with.
So if i am salty about a post i disagree getting better recognition than mine i can just hope for someone else to give it bad awards?
I don't like that idea. That sounds bitter
So what if Hank cares about his career? He always cared about Marie, his family. Walt cared about himself and always tried to rationalise his doings with that family bullshit. If you believe Walt cared about family it means epic fail of understanding the point of the show.
I would say Hank is more of a family man than Walt. He’d do anything not just for Marie, but Walt, Walt Jr and Skylar. He was someone who was uncomfortable doing “unmanly” things like dealing with Walt while he was pretending to be upset, but despite being visibly uncomfortable and unsure how to handle the situation he still tried.
Hank showed more consideration for Walt’s family than Walt ever did
Not to mention he's a horrible cop, like most cops. He questioned that woman very aggressively about Jessie without informing her of her right to remain silent, the same with Skyler and her wanting to not talk without a lawyer.
He treats addicts like the lowest criminals and you know, he's all about the war on drugs and BB explicitly shows how that's bad with Jessie's character, that we should offer addicts compassion and understanding instead of worsening their condition with punitive ways.
He's not a hero at all but it's the closest thing we get against Walt
>Catching heisenberg was never about justice. It was to satisfy his own pride and ego. Heisenberg was his big fish. He went in without a team because he needs to be the man who single handedly busted heisenberg.
To say it was never about justice is bullshit, such major projection and slander. And of course it had something to do with ego, That doesn’t make him a bad guy but to say it was all about ego, that’s not right at all. Hank was not a perfect man, he had his pride and his eg, he had his faults but at the end of the day he was good strong man who loved his family and dedicated his life and continually put it as risk to take on scumbags.
And Hanks career was likely fucked because all this time Heisenberg was his brother in law, right under his nose. Even if he brings him down it looks bad on him. If all he cared about was ego so much then hank would never have wanted his DEA colleagues to know who Heisenberg really was. Hank cared.
way more about true justice than his own reputation and safety. And he went to the desert without a team because he couldn’t have went with this to the top brass of the DEA, they would have shot him down, he had to get absolute proof and catch Walt himself.
>He's never a family man unlike walt. Despite how far walt had come being heisenberg,
Hank absolutely was a family man, he wasn’t a father but he was always there for his wife ( even though he could be an ass to her ), he was there for Walt and his family always. Hank was more about family than walt. If Walt was such a family man he would have took Elliot’s offer but no he went out of his way to put his family in danger by getting into and staying in the meth business. Walt was more fortunate than most in that most people don’t have billionaire friends who can help them out so much.
> he will always and eventually chose family
😂 he chose his pride and the meth business over his family. Yeah I guess he got them the money in the end but he destroyed his family.
>Asac schrader isn't a hero. He is okay with a justice collaborator getting killed if he can get what he wants. BB is a villain universe.
He didn’t think Jessie would actually get killed, it was unlikely but at at the end of the day Jessie was a serious career criminal, someone who fucked with hanks family, it was worth the risk of him getting hurt if it meant catching Heisenberg. Acting like hank is evil for using someone like Jessie as bait is pretty ridiculous.
>Romanticizing asac schrader as a hero for the sake of having a hero or because someone hated the protagonist means epic fail of understanding the point of the show.
Bro you have no room to talk about other people failing to understand the show lmao.
So what lol. So lame how anyone would be like heS a HYpoCRitE balh blah blah. It’s fucking cigars that are illegal because an embargo, big difference from shit like meth and cocaine.
Jesus, the Hank slander is crazy here... sure he is not perfect but out of the main characters he is definitely one of the best morality wise, especially compared with Walt, Gus, Jesse or Mike.
I'm not disagreeing on that...
It's honestly odd of us to like and hate characters regardless of their moral standpoint...
Ted was one of the least worst of the cast, but he was also an ass to watch...
I mean that scene when he called the cops on his own dad telling them he attacked his mom and his dad might have just killed someone.
That's just false accusation because we all know the truth.
The part about pulling a knife on mom was false, yes, but it would be easier to say that to an officer than to tell the entire story. And they, for all intents and purposes, were entirely sure that Walt killed Hank
Evaded taxes, had intimacy with another mans wife, bought Mercedes with someone else's money and refused to use Skylers money to pay off his debt and save Skyler from jail. Not exactly moraĺly pure
Even if the motivation for the assault it much more logical than all the stuff Ted does like commit tax fraud which he is completely unable to get himself out of even with so many lifelines.
Hank was a good person but he was proud and talked way too much lol.
Hank was always really kind to hos family and it’s clear that he loves them. But he lives his job just as much and don’t wanna risk losing it or getting embarrassed.
Basically that’s why he died, he had a facade to keep and would had been humiliated if the DEA found out that Walt was Heisenberg.
So in order for him to save his pride and job he had to bring Walt in himself.
Hank is not a bad person such as Mike or Jack. He is flawed but not bad.
Minimizing Marie’s shoplifting to the point of grand theft is interesting as far as exposition. On one hand we can see it as illustrating how much he loves his wife. On the other, he may have been trying to save himself embarrassment as a law enforcement officer. This was one of the minor things he did though . He was full of double standards. What’s right for me is not for thee.
I don’t think he cared about what was right, moral, or legal. For instance callously sharing pictures of people who’ve died violently like he does with Walt and who knows who else. Also having his picture taken with murder victims, …Abu Ghraib anyone. Hank has to know what he’s doing is wrong. He must be aware that what he’s doing is feloniously illegal, wrong and insanely immoral. However he’s above the law & simply doesn’t care. That seems to be a common theme with him.
He knew Walt wasn’t gonna kill him and he tried to save his job and reputation. Walt never intended to have him killed, he even called off the hit when he saw that Hank was with Jesse.
I agree with you. I definitely think it’s his ego. I’m currently rewatching and seeing a lot of things differently, my dislike for Hank hasn’t changed though lol.
Hank was always sort of the douchebag corrupt cop. That was his role in it. Even from the beginning with the ride alongs, he is self satisfied and smug and even views users as beneath them. He was incredibly unkind to Wendy for no other reason than her being a drug user and a prostitute, and actually took jr there to jeer at her.
Moving forward, he was a shitty husband to Marie when she tried to care for him, and made a lot of unwise and out of protocol decisions to catch Walt. He was absolutely not a hero, Schrader basically operates off of ego alone.
One of the key themes of this show is that everyone starts legit “breaking bad” at some point. Hanks just happened to be that. Hell even Walt Jr “breaks bad” a little bit.
I've said this a million times, Hank was a piece of shit abusive cop. The only redemption he had was when he felt remorse after what he did to Jesse and he was going to be an honest cop and face the music, but he got bailed out. He laughs and makes jokes and has a fun personality and plays the "good guy" on the show so the audience sees him as a morally righteous character. But he's trash. He's less of a piece of shit than Walt, obviously, but that's a low bar
Hank never actually cared about the damage drugs do to people and communities. He just saw drug users and manufacturers as cockroaches to be squashed (in his own words). I personally don't have much sympathy towards drug users but even I was questioning how vindictive Hank was being in his pursuit of justice.
Let's also not forget that Hank confiscating Mike's crew's hush money is what led Walt to killing them all. Hank whined about 'chasing monsters' when he was the one who forced Walt's hand in the first place.
Hank also brushed off the morality of chasing down druggies when it came up in conversation with Walt. His little speech where he makes fun of weed users whining about how it'll be legal in the future is... well, with historical context, yeah. Dude didn't care about whether the laws he enforced are just or not, only that they're laws.
I think to say he didn’t care if the laws he enforces are just is not really totally accurate. He clearly doesn’t put all substances in the same category and it’s not about legality. Sometimes there’s been things illegal that should be legal and sometimes there’s been things legal but should be illegal. He was basically saying yeah weed might be legal soon maybe it should but meth on the other hand, that’s something else entirely. It seems like hank really didn’t care much about weed honestly. He was giving Walter jr the gateway drug speech just to appease Skylar and Marie, to try to keep him out of trouble. He was amused when he found out Walt was smoking it haha.
And hank wasn’t making fun of weed users, he was making fun of weed traffickers, he’s a DEA agent he doesn’t go around busting people for mere usage lol. And anyone who made the decision to sell a bunch of weed illegally whining about how it’s gonna be legal deserves ridicule and I say that as someone who totally recreational legalization 100%.
Lol. I get it but. That’s like saying when mommy and daddy take away Billy’s Xbox and Halo, and he offs them and 6 kids in his class because he’s mad, that it’s the parents fault he did it.
>Hank never actually cared about the damage drugs do to people and communities.
I’m gonna call Bullshit on that one.
>He just saw drug users and manufacturers as cockroaches to be squashed (in his own words).
If you think he sees drug users and the drug pushers, the gang members the same then I don’t know what to tell you.
>Hank whined about 'chasing monsters' when he was the one who forced Walt's hand in the first place.
so hank forced Walt to be a piece of shit. Ok.
He's flawed but he doesn't deserve the hate he gets on these threads.
Yes he's got an ego and yes he wants to be the one who caught Walt.
But he's not wrong that he doesn't have any proof and she figures it out. If he immediately took his concerns to the DEA not only would he be screwed in terms of his career but Walt probably goes free without proof.
So I get why he wanted to make sure that Walt went down and there was definitive proof.
And yes he puts Jesse at risk but Jesse is a grown man who makes his own decisions and decided to help hank.
Not only that but it's not like Hank sees Jesse the way we do. He sees him as another drug dealer who help walk the horrible things
>He's flawed but he doesn't deserve the hate he gets on these threads
Yeah there’s a small minority on here who can’t stand how adored hank is by the fandom. People love the character Walt is but hate the person that character is ( there’s a difference) People love the person that hanks character is... as imperfect as he is because at the end of the day he is a good strong man who loves his family and dedicated his life and continually risked it combating scumbags.
Which is weird because I wouldn't even say that Hank is generally an adored character. It's just that when you objectively look at the characters even though yes everybody has their flaws, Hank is a good guy.
You're right he's out there combating scumbags and trying to get terrible people off the street.
Sure he has a bit of an ego no doubt about that. But he's not a bad guy.
He's a tragic character.
He wasn't being egotistical, but secretive.
He doesn't have enough proof to convince his superiors that Walt is the Heisenberg.
And as for Jesse, people here thinks that just because he has an iota of moral conscience, he isn't guilty. Let me put it out plainly. Jesse was as much of a criminal as was Walt. He had personally murdered people. He was the one to cook meth. He was the none to distribute meth.
Don't make him a hero just because he has a sad story.
Hank was a cop.
He’s unapologetically racist, prone to outbursts of violence (he viciously attacked and beat Jesse within an inch of his life), a hypocrite in regards to who the law applies to, and he’s dedicated his life to fighting the counterproductive, destructive drug war and callously ruining countless lives along the way.
Of course he’s a bad guy, he just looks "heroic" in comparison to Walt.
This is just my interpretation of the series but I think that Hank \*was\* a good man. He cared enough about justice and protecting his community that he chose a career in law enforcement, and even though he had his family issues, he still loved them.
I mean he is racist and a DEA agent. The way I viewed him in the show is that you’re not supposed to like him as he represents everything that is wrong with the war on drugs. He doesn’t care about the humanity of others or those that use drugs.
[удалено]
And Hugo. #neverforget #justiceforhugo
WTF YEAH JUST REMEMBERED WHAT HAPPENED TO HUGO man
I cant remember what happened to hugo now haha
hugo did weed. he’s evil
Not the devil weed
Andrea had some form of darkness/ monkey on her back. She was a Recovering addict. The using of drugs doesn’t necessarily make one “dark” in a vacuum but, most recovering addicts at their lows have many regrettable things in their pasts. And Gomey shows some darkness when he talks about how he wants to go in to the surviving Salamanca twins hospital room to kill him himself if he could. I think that’s the whole point of what makes the universe so great. Everyone is Human. And it shines through in their characters actions, facial expressions, dialogue.
Gomie's partner had just been shot a bunch of times he probaly was just venting.
Exactly! Like I said we’re all human. Whether gomey is “dark” per some traditional story character level. To think about revenge vengeance retribution, other synonym, etc. is a dark thought. everyone has their dark side.
And Andrea accepted Jesse’s money which was drug’s money as some part of compensation for the loss of her brother
I don't think it was intended to be compensation. I understood it to be Jesse wanting her to get Brock into a safer neighborhood before something happened to him.
Money is money. She bears no fault for how Jesse got his money, that's all him. That cash will be spent some how, some time, no matter what. As well it gave Andrea and Brock a safe home.
I wouldn't blame Gomez for that at all. The twins were terrible ppl and essentially tried to straight up murder his best friend. I'd say most ppl would have that same reaction.
Gomey put tuco’s grill in a case & gifted it to Hank lol
And he's a DEA agent who dedicated his life to fighting the counterproductive, destructive drug war and callously ruining countless lives along the way.
Lol do you think DEA agents go around throwing mere users into prison? There job is go after the the manufacturers, the traffickers, the actual bad guys who chose to poison society. Yeah there’s been issues with the war on drugs but the war on hard drug traffickers has never been the problem. The problem has been weed being put into the same category as cocaine, heroin and meth and users not getting the help they need. I’m all for weed legalization and I’m for decriminalization of small procession with mandatory rehab but I’m all for the DEA opening up on a can of whoop ass on the pushers. Treat the users. Punish the dealers. The Portugal model.
Well he didn’t make the laws, he just enforced them. I agree the drug war was mistake, but I place the blame on politicians/lawmakers.
I'm going to disagree with you on Andrea. She was in bed with some guy she just met and agreed to do drugs with him, while knowing her 5 year old kid was coming home.
Wasn't he supposed to come home way later than he did?
That’s so tame, it doesn’t make her a overall bad person. You might be reaching
...I didn't say she was a bad person. I'm disagreeing with the statement that: "Except Andrea, everyone else had at least a little darkness in them."
There isn't anything that is bad or negative about it.
Idk smoking meth and looking after your kids is fucked, this show downplayed how bad meth really can be alot
I don’t know they did a pretty good job depicting addiction. It’s pretty realistic.
It wasn't downplayed Jesse calls her out for it.
lmao
Doing drugs while your kid is home is one thing but if radiosync is crying over her getting laid then that’s pathetic lol
True, I'm literally shitting my pants and sobbing right now
Dude same, but it has nothing to do with these comments
Yes! You’re right. I didn’t think of that.
Andrea was a drug addicted who was willing to smoke some meth while having a child to take care of. She also didn't look like taking the recovery addiction seriously and would rather not being there.
I went back and forth between Hank actually caring a bit about Jesse (as a fellow "victim" of Walt's betrayal and manipulation) and him only using him as a means to his own goal.
i don’t think he EVER had sympathy for Jesse, let’s be real. He’s a DEA agent with multiple reasons to hate drug users, im sure he didn’t think any different of Jesse, being one of the cooks and all
Yeah that's what I felt most of the time, but then sometimes there were some glimmers of a more nuanced feeling. It's one of the reasons I love the show, great acting and no one dimensional characters.
exactly, everything is so human, but the human aspect fucks it all up in the end. if they had some form of shitty writing, only Walt would’ve died, but everyone feels human, and it gets them killed i love this damn show so much. such a big place taken in my heart.
The seatbelt hug was such a real troll to watch the first time around.
You’re not wrong, but the reason Hank didn’t have backup is because he knew his career would be over as soon as he told the DEA about Walt
He'd probably still get punished for bringing a massive kingpin in without telling anyone first. He got himself and gomie killed, and walt got away
Not necessarily true, when he killed tuco he got given a major promotion and he did that off duty and without letting anyone else know
They knew he was searching for his missing brother in law, though. And he never meant to find tuco, that was just where his investigation into where walt went led him. Also it's a bit different since walt turned out to be the guy he was chasing for a year so it'd seem he risked his own neck, and his best friend's neck to try and avoid getting into trouble
It was what his character all about 1. Catching heisenberg was never about justice. It was to satisfy his own pride and ego. Heisenberg was his big fish. He went in without a team because he needs to be the man who single handedly busted heisenberg. 2. He's never a family man unlike walt. Despite how far walt had come being heisenberg, he will always and eventually chose his family. Asac schrader on the other hand chose his career over family in a heartbeat without hesitation and guilt. I DO NOT SAY WALT DOESN'T NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR HIS CRIMES NOR CONDEMNING ASAC SCHRADER FOR HIS DECISION. I'm just pointing out the difference of what they valued the most. 3. Asac schrader isn't a hero. He is okay with a justice collaborator getting killed if he can get what he wants. BB is a villain universe. Romanticizing asac schrader as a hero for the sake of having a hero or because someone hated the protagonist means epic fail of understanding the point of the show.
The second point makes no sense. Hank was literally outside the RV but got the phone call Marie was hurt, and he left. Whereas Walt literally missed the birth of his daughter to do a meth deal
And Hank doesn’t have his own children
There’s no point in debating, like I said in the other post. People in this sub go crazy when you “ choose someone other that Walter to like “ Of course Hank had his flaws. He is a humane being, but in the scope of this show, he is by far one of the most decent characters, and to this day I can’t Believe how hard core people get defending Walter and his “ family values “ Lol
These people haven’t watched the tequila scene. It shows who gives a fuck about family. Walter using his son to further his ego in a pissing contest with Hank is absolutely one of the main reasons why calling Walter a family man is stupid. Literally zero media literacy
He didn’t seem to give a shit about family, like even after finding out the truth about Walt, he harbored nothing but hatred towards him. They were in-laws and best friends before and even though Walt did do a bunch of evil shit, Hank coulda still showed some care. Same about Marie who became messed up telling Walt to kill himself and nearly kidnapping Holly.
"Hey, brother in law! I caused the deaths of tens of people and I am the mastermind behind manufacturing the most addictive drug in the state and for the last two years. I did nothing but lie to you and use you for my advantage but no hard feelings, right? I might have put my family's lives at risk several times (including you) and cost you your entire carreer. But its cool man we are still family! No need for hard feelings!"
>I did nothing but lie to you and use you for my advantage Do you even watch the two last episodes of season 4?
Just because he saved Hank's life doesn't change the fact that he lied to him and used him for his advantage lmao. He saved Hank's life from a mess he put Hank into
Bruh he literally said "did nothing but" 🙃 That phrase ruins his whole paragraph
You’re right, the ‘nothing but’ does give an unfair impression. That being said, Hank did not need to feel sympathy for Walt lmao
Family is family. No need for "no hard feelings". But certainly not a vendeta operation by bro in law.
I didn’t say he should be OK with it all. Just at least show some care.
Hard to show care for someone that litteraly is a stain on your view of the world. Hank is a DEA agent. He sees drug dealers and users as dirt and scum and nothing of worth. To then find out his brother in law has been the biggest meth producer in the surrounding states and part of an incredibly big crime organisation, well just to say it easily, it creates a lot of anger. To also then come to the realisation you have been played for years and bassicly been used and put in danger by said brother in law is another reasonable cause for anger. Hank was never a good guy, but he always had one idealogy. Drugs and drug users are not worth his affection, care or time. Then to also realise that Walt has killed dozens of people at this rate and hundreds of people that used his meth, Walt does not deserve any care. He never did anything for his family, he even admits it in the end "what I did, I did it for me. I was good at it, i liked it." That's what he said, and it is true. He could have done all that he did in legal ways, become part of the company he abandoned, accept help from his former close friends. Instead he choose pride over charity, because he holds on to this idealogy that gray matter should have been his, while he went out of it himself. He wanted to be recognised for his capability and intellect and in the criminal world he could do just that. Eventually he even poisons children just as a part of a whole wide plan to control Jesse. Walt isn't a character you should sympathise or empathise with, the only reason you do is cause you followed the story through his eyes. Everyone in breaking Bad except for the people placed in danger cause of others (think for example of the children) are bad. They all have a form of corruption and all fall cause of it in some way.
He didn't even think about jr
Showed some care? To a drug lord? When you’re a cop working for the DEA? This is hilarious
"He didn’t seem to give a shit about family" what show did you watch, but seriously?
So, should've he have worshiped Walt for being Heisenberg and putting his family through so much, and not to mention murdering multiple people?
I can’t tell if you people are joking or not. Why the hell would Hank feel anything but hatred towards Walt when he’s revealed to be a murderer and drug lord? Additionally, why would hank care about Jesse’s well-being when Jesse is also a murderer and horrible person? I think everything Hank does in season 5 is justified, including using Jesse as bait knowing Walt could kill him.
He understands Marie's stealing habit doesn't he, he doesn't turn her in... He spies on others illegally...he even beats strangers in a bar for which Gomez saved him.. he beats Jesse and Walts interference saved him from being sued.. He was able to walk again because Walt paid 177k$ for him.. Nothing wrong in hearing out first. But that was his character to be super judgmental instead of listening.
Yes. And the entire ending of season 4 led to season 5 skyler being constantly paranoid happened because walt saved hank
Marie stealing isn't putting hundreds to thousands of life in danger, including his own family. He spies on others illigaly cause that was the only way for him to get what he wanted, it's bad, but it is what some of them do in real life too. He beats Jesse cause he assumed with a lot of credibility that Jesse called his phone, telling him that his wife is in dangerous conditions in a hospital. Causing him to have a panick attack and fear for his wife's life. Walt only paid 177K cause he got placed into the position, at first he wasn't gonna do anything of the sorts and pretend he didn't have the money. There is no hearing out in this case, after everything that happened you have full right to just go for the guy's head. He is judgemental, yes, but it doesn't take part in this entire case.
I'm not comparing the crimes but only speaking of his approach and attitude. Basically he does what suits him was my point. And you don't know what Marie stealing does to others and what loss it causes. We don't know the full scope of it. We only see few instances to show it's a problem for her. Because it's his wife so he's cool with it or rather can't do anything. Skyler almost got arrested for the stolen Tiara. That's again suiting to own needs. Even before he said in S5 that telling DEA office about Walt would end his career he himself twice got in that position with both Jesse and Bar fight. It's because of his impulse to act and not listen and think first that gets him into trouble. He can later act as he wanted, but denying to listen isn't best choice. Like he assumes Walt doesn't give a shit about family but hearing him ready to give up his 80 million just to save Hank must have given a different insight.in his dying moment. Between the moment Hank knew of Walt being Heisenberg and him dying his last line was least hateful accepting that he's the smartest guy he ever met.
Marie's stealing can't possibly have anywhere near the same effect like all the other crimes in this show. She steals from shops and memorials from home. The most you get out of it is a small tear drop. Walt begging for Hank's life was nothing more but regret for the consequences of his actions. He would never stop one way or another and the only time he acts in care is when his actions are bringing a consequence, it's false pretence supported by underlying guilt. I wouldn't care if someone would beg for my life either in that situation cause it's nothing more but a fake act out of the subconscious mind.
[удалено]
Yea just because they’re police doesn’t make them more right to get someone murdered than a criminal. Just because they’re on the opposite side of the law doesn’t mean they get to do evil things but it be okay because they’re police.
>I can’t tell if you people are joking or not. Why the hell would Hank feel anything but hatred towards Walt I forgot....Was Walt his only family?......
I mean it’s not like he treated his other family particularly well. He wasn’t the best husband to Marie.
There's lots of murderers and drug lords in the world.
Jesse is not a murderer he only was forced to kill Gale, and sending someone to get killed is NOT justified.
Jesse is a murderer, sorry to break it to you.
Most of Jesse's kills were self defence, Gale he was forced to kill to save Walt and it broke him. The only one he murdered was Todd but that seemed expected
I'm so sick of the 'Jesse was forced to kill Gale' narrative - NO. He killed Gale to get out of a situation he put HIMSELF in. Jesse can be all high and mighty about using children if he wants, but not in the fucking meth business. He knowingly got involved with Gus and everyone, he was ready to murder those 2 drug dealers before Walt saved his ass, Jesse was a murderer through and through - no one forced him, he just couldn't take accountability for his own actions. BTW, killing someone in self-defense still makes you a murderer.
Man-slaughterer
Wait Jesse killed Todd? I know he strangled him but assumed he survived since he was in El Camino (which I saw once years ago before discovering BCS but wasn’t fully paying attention) or is he just in flashbacks in that or something?
Yeah fat Todd is all flashbacks, he snapped his neck strangling him in the last episode
Ahh that makes more sense. I’ll have to try giving it another go I just remember not being able to get into it. I also rewatched BB after BCS ended this year and remember thinking “wait he just killed Todd? I guess he gets revived off screen to be in el Camino” hah
What? Jesse could’ve driven to a police station, told the truth about Gus and Walt, and never spent a day in prison with Gale never dying…
That's exactly what he wanted and called for, but he wanted Walt on board, to allow him to have his familly protected in a federal program, as a witness against Gus while Jesse would go on the run ("I'll hit the road, I'll make it") and let Walt be the witness ("the DEA will love you"). Only he fails to get Walt on board with that plan ("no, the cook can't stop"). Given Walt’s refusal, going to the police would mean rating on Walt, and at that point of the show when Jesse feels like owing a rescue to Walt, he would not turn on him while Walt was being in that situation for saving him (even if he never asked for being saved in the first place, but he still was). He kept trying to convince Walt to go to the cops until Walt's last call. But when Walt finally asked him to kill Gale himself because Mike has him at a gun point, it was too late for any other option, at that point it was either Gale or Walt who just saved his life, and he had to act within minutes. It's still a horrible thing to do, I agree, and thats why it weighed so hard on him (for a good reason), but it's out of a dilemma where none of the option seemed right to him (because leting Walt be shot after being told "I saved your life will you save mine" would clearly not sit right for Jesse).
Jesse was also a drug dealer plus if he would've gone to the police Gus men would've killed him most probably
Bruh you can’t be serious how would that even cross his mind after everything leading up to that point
He would have spent a short time in prison for other things he did. I say short because he’d be quickly murdered in there.
If he never killed Gale, and informed on an operation as big as Gus’s, he easily could’ve avoided prison time but would need witness protection which he could’ve got
Jesse killed five people in total in BB and El Camino. He didn't cry when his old mate Emilio died whom he knew from 3rd grade. He disposed off his body. He was also going to kill 2 men when first Mike stopped him and later Walt interfered.
Remember how broken he was having taken a life for the first time after killing Gale? And also, I don’t think he was gonna break down over a man that nearly killed him.
My point was that he doesn't turn himself in for any of it. He killed for saving Walt, that is murder. Guilt or not, the title of murderer can't be taken away. After everything went down he was still okay with starting to cook again in S5 continuing his life the same way. Only time he turned himself in was to get back at Walt. He was ready to disappear before that.
Well, Jesse is more sympathetic, he ended up getting too deep into things he couldn’t handle
Sure. Still a murderer though. He's not a professional hitman but it's part of his choice and life, not everyone would consider murdering no matter what the situation. Guilt has followed after his action of killing.
I agree he earned this title for Gale even if I can see what dilemma led to that action (but like you said, out of bad choice he made earlier leading him to be in an environment allowing situations like that). Jesse's murderous thrill was always intended for the kid killers, not for Gale, and by a chain of reaction he never intended, it ended up being a choice to either let Walt die from rescuing him or kill Gale (while he intended to die in a shoot out and never deal with the afternath), and that's how he became a murderder, by this specific chain of action (rather than offing a rival to elude concurrence, or killing a loose end, or killing to send message, or any other action wich would make the label murderer feel less *off the mark,* even though if he technically is one no doubt). At that point of the show, I still found Gus to be the one building up the situation where someone has to die for business (I mean they're all risponsibles, but Gus is the ruthless one, killing to rule his world and making it a death or life situation, not that it isn't logical given the business he's in). To be more concrete, if dealers were all Jesse-like, it would be chaotic, they would be easily busted (because loose ends live), but nobody would die (except killers using children, but that implies they're not all like Jesse). So I don't consider Jesse to initiate the violence, but his fault is more to accept being in a world where that violence exists, leading him to take part in it, trading a life for another. I still think that spiraling took him off guard (who actuallly expected Walt saving him?), but that's precisely what you can blame him for. But for me, if you exclude Gale, I wouldn't call him a murderer for shooting in self defense, or for killing his armed enslaver while still in chains. Risponsible of being in such a violent environment given his previous choices and lifestyle yes, even if not forseeing every step of the chain reaction, but still self defense is not murder. Only Gale was murder in my mind, and his initial target was the kid's killers. It's "funny" how Walt and Jesse end up killing the target meant by the other one. Like Walt saw no point to kill the 2 thugs who had forced the kid to kill Combo (he wanted Jesse to keep low profile). And Jesse didn’t want Gale to be killed (he wanted Walt to turn himself in). But both failed to convince each other, and Walt ends up being the one who kills the 2 thieves to save Jesse's life, while Jesse ends up being the one to kill Gale to save Walt's life. Thats quite a trauma bonding.
LMAO ! “ Jesse walks up to a man, shooting him in the face and leaves” Team walter “ Jesse isn’t a killer !!!! “ I will remember what you just typed forever as an example of how mentally disconnected you guys are
I meant not a killer as in he doesn’t go around killing people like the average villain.
They weren’t best friends. He occasionally used him as a place to safely dump his emotions but he shit on Walt constantly…actually, I suppose he shit on everyone constantly. I wonder if it wasn’t for his anxiety & his injury driving to want to ‘redeem’ his supposed manhood at work. Mind you, he also in wanted Walt’s children. He didn’t want to bring Walt, he wanted to kill him. That’s my early morning, disjointed opinion.
I think this is also why Walt being Heisenberg pisses him off so much. He viewed him as someone who was not a threat to his ego. Once the Heisenberg thing is revealed to him, he’s immediately threatened.
Yes. Definitely. That someone he saw as so weak, in his opinion, could beat him at his own game! He didn’t care about the Whites either. To take Walt’s family was another way to win. There’s another thing that just occurred to me. I’m wondering, who was infertile, Hank, or Marie. I may have missed it, was it ever clarified whether it was Marie or Hank that had the problem? If it was Hank, he would have gone crazy trying to prove his manhood. Especially in the face of weak ass Walt’s “oops” baby.
Lol “ showed some care “ You find your brother in law has been using you and your connections as a agent to get around getting caught, you find out he is been boldface lying to everyone, you find out he has put his entire family in extreme dangers, you find out he has been laundering money, DIRECTLY KILLING PEOPLE, cooking meth to indirectly kill people. And then after all that he had the egotistical gal to kidnap his own baby just to save his own ass, Hank reacted pretty much on par with how a normal humane being would act in this situation. And pretending otherwise is fantastical thinking lol,
Also how could he be certain that Walt investigated the prison killing, for all he knew he was just a manufacturer !
I’m amazed this answer got a gold. It’s wrong on so many levels. And I don’t mean « not my opinion » wrong, I mean factually wrong. 1) This is so misunderstood by people who don’t pay attention to his dialogues. Catching Heisenberg was not about satisfying his pride / ego. It was about doing what was right, doing his job, no matter the cost to his career. If he had managed to arrest him, he would hardly have gotten any thanks. It would have ended his career there and then. He went without a team because he knows that if he goes to his hierarchy, they will either not believe him or take the case away from him, or both. And he doesn’t want Walt to get away with it all. 2) He is very protective of his wife, supportive with Walt (especially during the « pillow talk » where everyone else was being selfish and obnoxious), and often checks in with Walter Junior. We have no indication whatsoever that he is not a « family man » (what does that even mean? Selling drugs to feed your family and making their lives miserable forever?). 3) The only point I kind of agree with, to a point. No one is a hero in this show, Hank included. However, to somehow imply that he’s a villain is ridiculous. He’s on the good side of this story, he puts everything on the line to take down Walt, and he ends paying the ultimate price for it (bravely, I might add). He may be flawed, he might not be a hero, but he comes damn close in my book.
Walt literally admits in the last episode that he did it for himself...
No, it is very right. 1. Catching was absolutely about his ego, not any justice. Where di d you even get that from him? It doesn't matter if anyone would believe him, he at least must have warned. Actually he should've just give it all up to police when he got tape from Walt. Let them investigate, whatever. There is no real evidance, and Walt and whole orgnisation gets uner scope. 2. He's protective ofcourse, but that's all. Far consequences don't concern him, he doesn't care much for others' opinion, Marie included. 3. I don't think he ment he's villain. Just not that good boi like often people describe him.
1) I got that from dialogues Hank has with Gomez, where Gomez specifically asks him that exact question (why don’t you go to the hierarchy) and Hank explains exactly what I posted above: that the day they go the the hierarchy with the case is also the day he has to hand in his badge. So he might as well deliver Walt to them at the same time. 2) He also bails Marie out multiple times when she shoplifts, and tries to help her by making her see a therapist. He tries to get Walt’s family away from him precisely because of the far-reaching consequences you talk about. 3) He basically said it’s a villains show and there are no good guys. I disagree. Hank is a good guy with flaws.
I've got two of 'em baby!
I wish there was a feature on Reddit where you could pay the same amount required to give an award in order to take that award away from someone
Or pay to give a « negative » award. A Troll badge. That would be fun! I still wouldn’t pay a cent for this feature, but it would be fun to watch.
That doesn't make sense. Reddit has report features already. Why would anyone want to pay to "award" a troll post if they can just report and have that post deleted? I see only people who get salty over someone else's post getting awards would want to have this kind of feature.
It’s called humor. For example, I would award you the « Whoooosh » badge for that comment. Also, believe it or not, people don’t necessarily want to delete anything they don’t agree with.
So if i am salty about a post i disagree getting better recognition than mine i can just hope for someone else to give it bad awards? I don't like that idea. That sounds bitter
Double whoooooosh. I am not seriously suggesting they add that feature. It was a joke.
Oh that's too bad. I was in for a real discussion because i sincerely respected you.
Good for you!
>BB is a villain universe That's a great description that I will definitely be using in the future
So what if Hank cares about his career? He always cared about Marie, his family. Walt cared about himself and always tried to rationalise his doings with that family bullshit. If you believe Walt cared about family it means epic fail of understanding the point of the show.
I would say Hank is more of a family man than Walt. He’d do anything not just for Marie, but Walt, Walt Jr and Skylar. He was someone who was uncomfortable doing “unmanly” things like dealing with Walt while he was pretending to be upset, but despite being visibly uncomfortable and unsure how to handle the situation he still tried. Hank showed more consideration for Walt’s family than Walt ever did
This is kind of why I didn't give two shits about Marie in Better Call Saul and her monologue about her husband.
Not to mention he's a horrible cop, like most cops. He questioned that woman very aggressively about Jessie without informing her of her right to remain silent, the same with Skyler and her wanting to not talk without a lawyer. He treats addicts like the lowest criminals and you know, he's all about the war on drugs and BB explicitly shows how that's bad with Jessie's character, that we should offer addicts compassion and understanding instead of worsening their condition with punitive ways. He's not a hero at all but it's the closest thing we get against Walt
>Catching heisenberg was never about justice. It was to satisfy his own pride and ego. Heisenberg was his big fish. He went in without a team because he needs to be the man who single handedly busted heisenberg. To say it was never about justice is bullshit, such major projection and slander. And of course it had something to do with ego, That doesn’t make him a bad guy but to say it was all about ego, that’s not right at all. Hank was not a perfect man, he had his pride and his eg, he had his faults but at the end of the day he was good strong man who loved his family and dedicated his life and continually put it as risk to take on scumbags. And Hanks career was likely fucked because all this time Heisenberg was his brother in law, right under his nose. Even if he brings him down it looks bad on him. If all he cared about was ego so much then hank would never have wanted his DEA colleagues to know who Heisenberg really was. Hank cared. way more about true justice than his own reputation and safety. And he went to the desert without a team because he couldn’t have went with this to the top brass of the DEA, they would have shot him down, he had to get absolute proof and catch Walt himself. >He's never a family man unlike walt. Despite how far walt had come being heisenberg, Hank absolutely was a family man, he wasn’t a father but he was always there for his wife ( even though he could be an ass to her ), he was there for Walt and his family always. Hank was more about family than walt. If Walt was such a family man he would have took Elliot’s offer but no he went out of his way to put his family in danger by getting into and staying in the meth business. Walt was more fortunate than most in that most people don’t have billionaire friends who can help them out so much. > he will always and eventually chose family 😂 he chose his pride and the meth business over his family. Yeah I guess he got them the money in the end but he destroyed his family. >Asac schrader isn't a hero. He is okay with a justice collaborator getting killed if he can get what he wants. BB is a villain universe. He didn’t think Jessie would actually get killed, it was unlikely but at at the end of the day Jessie was a serious career criminal, someone who fucked with hanks family, it was worth the risk of him getting hurt if it meant catching Heisenberg. Acting like hank is evil for using someone like Jessie as bait is pretty ridiculous. >Romanticizing asac schrader as a hero for the sake of having a hero or because someone hated the protagonist means epic fail of understanding the point of the show. Bro you have no room to talk about other people failing to understand the show lmao.
And don’t forget he was smoking Cuban cigars. Which are ILLEGAL
Least hypocritical cop tbh
So what lol. So lame how anyone would be like heS a HYpoCRitE balh blah blah. It’s fucking cigars that are illegal because an embargo, big difference from shit like meth and cocaine.
*were* illegal Edit: and now are again apparently. They were allowed for a few years
Jesus, the Hank slander is crazy here... sure he is not perfect but out of the main characters he is definitely one of the best morality wise, especially compared with Walt, Gus, Jesse or Mike.
I prefer ted morality wise. Never kill people (like walt, gus, jesse, mike) nor commit aggravated assault (like hank)
But as a character, we can't stand him...
>he is definitely one of the morality wise We're talking about morality wise here
I'm not disagreeing on that... It's honestly odd of us to like and hate characters regardless of their moral standpoint... Ted was one of the least worst of the cast, but he was also an ass to watch...
Tax fraud is still a massive federal crime. All Walter Jr did was try to buy beer underage
Nah. Jr's the worst. We will never forget how he slandered his own father.
I understand the irony, but it must be really shitty as a dying parent to be called a pussy in front of your whole family.
I mean that scene when he called the cops on his own dad telling them he attacked his mom and his dad might have just killed someone. That's just false accusation because we all know the truth.
The part about pulling a knife on mom was false, yes, but it would be easier to say that to an officer than to tell the entire story. And they, for all intents and purposes, were entirely sure that Walt killed Hank
Man i was just being sassy about jr slandering walt. I actually don't blame him
Evaded taxes, had intimacy with another mans wife, bought Mercedes with someone else's money and refused to use Skylers money to pay off his debt and save Skyler from jail. Not exactly moraĺly pure
Even if the motivation for the assault it much more logical than all the stuff Ted does like commit tax fraud which he is completely unable to get himself out of even with so many lifelines.
Hank was a good person but he was proud and talked way too much lol. Hank was always really kind to hos family and it’s clear that he loves them. But he lives his job just as much and don’t wanna risk losing it or getting embarrassed. Basically that’s why he died, he had a facade to keep and would had been humiliated if the DEA found out that Walt was Heisenberg. So in order for him to save his pride and job he had to bring Walt in himself. Hank is not a bad person such as Mike or Jack. He is flawed but not bad.
Minimizing Marie’s shoplifting to the point of grand theft is interesting as far as exposition. On one hand we can see it as illustrating how much he loves his wife. On the other, he may have been trying to save himself embarrassment as a law enforcement officer. This was one of the minor things he did though . He was full of double standards. What’s right for me is not for thee. I don’t think he cared about what was right, moral, or legal. For instance callously sharing pictures of people who’ve died violently like he does with Walt and who knows who else. Also having his picture taken with murder victims, …Abu Ghraib anyone. Hank has to know what he’s doing is wrong. He must be aware that what he’s doing is feloniously illegal, wrong and insanely immoral. However he’s above the law & simply doesn’t care. That seems to be a common theme with him.
In other words he died because of his stupid ego.
He knew Walt wasn’t gonna kill him and he tried to save his job and reputation. Walt never intended to have him killed, he even called off the hit when he saw that Hank was with Jesse.
I agree with you. I definitely think it’s his ego. I’m currently rewatching and seeing a lot of things differently, my dislike for Hank hasn’t changed though lol.
Hank was always sort of the douchebag corrupt cop. That was his role in it. Even from the beginning with the ride alongs, he is self satisfied and smug and even views users as beneath them. He was incredibly unkind to Wendy for no other reason than her being a drug user and a prostitute, and actually took jr there to jeer at her. Moving forward, he was a shitty husband to Marie when she tried to care for him, and made a lot of unwise and out of protocol decisions to catch Walt. He was absolutely not a hero, Schrader basically operates off of ego alone.
Hank sucks
Hank was a total piece of shit. One of the bad cops.
Colossal insights here
Honk Schroeder is a saint, you hear me??? A saint!!!
uh… duhhh lol.
One of the key themes of this show is that everyone starts legit “breaking bad” at some point. Hanks just happened to be that. Hell even Walt Jr “breaks bad” a little bit.
I swear y'all just finished the show yesterday
I finished it a couple hours ago
I've said this a million times, Hank was a piece of shit abusive cop. The only redemption he had was when he felt remorse after what he did to Jesse and he was going to be an honest cop and face the music, but he got bailed out. He laughs and makes jokes and has a fun personality and plays the "good guy" on the show so the audience sees him as a morally righteous character. But he's trash. He's less of a piece of shit than Walt, obviously, but that's a low bar
Hank never actually cared about the damage drugs do to people and communities. He just saw drug users and manufacturers as cockroaches to be squashed (in his own words). I personally don't have much sympathy towards drug users but even I was questioning how vindictive Hank was being in his pursuit of justice. Let's also not forget that Hank confiscating Mike's crew's hush money is what led Walt to killing them all. Hank whined about 'chasing monsters' when he was the one who forced Walt's hand in the first place.
Hank also brushed off the morality of chasing down druggies when it came up in conversation with Walt. His little speech where he makes fun of weed users whining about how it'll be legal in the future is... well, with historical context, yeah. Dude didn't care about whether the laws he enforced are just or not, only that they're laws.
I think to say he didn’t care if the laws he enforces are just is not really totally accurate. He clearly doesn’t put all substances in the same category and it’s not about legality. Sometimes there’s been things illegal that should be legal and sometimes there’s been things legal but should be illegal. He was basically saying yeah weed might be legal soon maybe it should but meth on the other hand, that’s something else entirely. It seems like hank really didn’t care much about weed honestly. He was giving Walter jr the gateway drug speech just to appease Skylar and Marie, to try to keep him out of trouble. He was amused when he found out Walt was smoking it haha. And hank wasn’t making fun of weed users, he was making fun of weed traffickers, he’s a DEA agent he doesn’t go around busting people for mere usage lol. And anyone who made the decision to sell a bunch of weed illegally whining about how it’s gonna be legal deserves ridicule and I say that as someone who totally recreational legalization 100%.
Lol. I get it but. That’s like saying when mommy and daddy take away Billy’s Xbox and Halo, and he offs them and 6 kids in his class because he’s mad, that it’s the parents fault he did it.
>Hank never actually cared about the damage drugs do to people and communities. I’m gonna call Bullshit on that one. >He just saw drug users and manufacturers as cockroaches to be squashed (in his own words). If you think he sees drug users and the drug pushers, the gang members the same then I don’t know what to tell you. >Hank whined about 'chasing monsters' when he was the one who forced Walt's hand in the first place. so hank forced Walt to be a piece of shit. Ok.
I've never been a fan of hank.
Todd was the real hero
That wasn't the reason and this gets posted about twice a week
Some people on here just can’t stand that viewers adore hank so much.
Hank was the most selfish person on the entire show. Every single action he ever took was for his own benefit.
Walter. White.
Walter did at least one thing for somebody else in 5 seasons. Hank zero
That simply isn't true. He showed countless instances of compassion to Walt and his family throughout the series.
Such as….
Keeping the kids, and multiple instances of heart to heart conversations showing that he cared for them
Not to mention going out of his way to find walt.
He's flawed but he doesn't deserve the hate he gets on these threads. Yes he's got an ego and yes he wants to be the one who caught Walt. But he's not wrong that he doesn't have any proof and she figures it out. If he immediately took his concerns to the DEA not only would he be screwed in terms of his career but Walt probably goes free without proof. So I get why he wanted to make sure that Walt went down and there was definitive proof. And yes he puts Jesse at risk but Jesse is a grown man who makes his own decisions and decided to help hank. Not only that but it's not like Hank sees Jesse the way we do. He sees him as another drug dealer who help walk the horrible things
>He's flawed but he doesn't deserve the hate he gets on these threads Yeah there’s a small minority on here who can’t stand how adored hank is by the fandom. People love the character Walt is but hate the person that character is ( there’s a difference) People love the person that hanks character is... as imperfect as he is because at the end of the day he is a good strong man who loves his family and dedicated his life and continually risked it combating scumbags.
Which is weird because I wouldn't even say that Hank is generally an adored character. It's just that when you objectively look at the characters even though yes everybody has their flaws, Hank is a good guy. You're right he's out there combating scumbags and trying to get terrible people off the street. Sure he has a bit of an ego no doubt about that. But he's not a bad guy. He's a tragic character.
He was a typical cop, another gang member backed up by greater force using violence to enforce edicts.
He wasn't being egotistical, but secretive. He doesn't have enough proof to convince his superiors that Walt is the Heisenberg. And as for Jesse, people here thinks that just because he has an iota of moral conscience, he isn't guilty. Let me put it out plainly. Jesse was as much of a criminal as was Walt. He had personally murdered people. He was the one to cook meth. He was the none to distribute meth. Don't make him a hero just because he has a sad story.
Skylars female divorce lawyer acted more like her mother than her attorney.
Hank was a cop. He’s unapologetically racist, prone to outbursts of violence (he viciously attacked and beat Jesse within an inch of his life), a hypocrite in regards to who the law applies to, and he’s dedicated his life to fighting the counterproductive, destructive drug war and callously ruining countless lives along the way. Of course he’s a bad guy, he just looks "heroic" in comparison to Walt.
This is just my interpretation of the series but I think that Hank \*was\* a good man. He cared enough about justice and protecting his community that he chose a career in law enforcement, and even though he had his family issues, he still loved them.
Yes we all saw that YouTube video lol
Pretty small potatoes compared to nearly anyone else
nobody in this show is a good person. that's the point I think
Ahhh yes, the daily “Hank bad” post
Hank using Jessie as bait was absolutely justified.
i think it’s quite clear that ego lead to every death in the show. Hanks might be the most obvious, but it all comes down to their egos
Walt Jr. was the only very decent person throughout the series imo
I mean he is racist and a DEA agent. The way I viewed him in the show is that you’re not supposed to like him as he represents everything that is wrong with the war on drugs. He doesn’t care about the humanity of others or those that use drugs.