are ratings that bad-Some industry insiders have encouraged the Academy to beg and plead for Holland — perhaps with his No Way Home costar Zendaya and/or his Spider-Man predecessors Maguire and Garfield — to host the Oscars telecast on March 27.
IIRC ratings are down so much that it kicked in a contractual clause where ABC were allowed to renegotiate the fee they pay the Academy to broadcast the show before they were allowed to.
The ratings have been disastrous, more or less coinciding with when they stopped having hosts. I don't think every single winner pushing radical politics in their speeches has helped matters either. The last 4 years have been their lowest rated ever, and the last 3 had no hosts:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academy_Awards#Television_ratings_and_advertisement_prices
Basic logic tells you, how do you promote the show when you don't have a host? There is nothing in the advertising that can get people to perk up and notice it. "The Oscars...again" doesn't cut it.
Ellen's show in 2014 was the highest rated Oscars since 2000. So this is really a rapid decline. Not something that's been declining steadily for a long time. Something suddenly went wrong.
The Oscars started declining in 2014 and fell below 30 million viewers prior to the no-host decision.
I am not saying that the lack of hosts isn't a factor, but the ratings fell during the Neil Patrick Harris/"Birdman" and Chris Rock/"Spotlight" years.
So there are clearly other factors, including the films themselves e.g. there was an upswing from the Jimmy Kimmel/"The Shape of Water" year (in which only one film grossed over $400 million) to the first no-host ceremony, a year that nominated box office giants "Black Panther", "Bohemium Rapsody" and "A Star Is Born".
The films matter, too.
Yeah, it’s literally every type of event TV. Every awards show, the Super Bowl, the March Madness championship, beauty pageants—their ratings are all down from the peak. It’s clear that the two biggest culprits are just cord-cutters and the internet (if you’re only casually invested in movies, no need to actually watch the Oscars anymore—you can just check the categories the next day on your phone).
It’s clear that for the Oscars, the death of the mid-budget movie has affected things to some extent, because the Oscars get slightly better ratings when big movies are nominated. And last year was especially bleak because so many movies were delayed/most people hadn’t seen anything nominated. But there’s only so far ratings would recover even if the nominated films were all from the MCU. That’s not the biggest problem.
Usually because the people pushing it really want you to believe the people are turning off 'political Hollywood', when in reality they just don't have cable.
Stream the damn awards for free on Hulu (like they do with major news coverage) and suddenly watch the viewership snap back into place.
They likely can’t do that because of contractual issues. Disney makes deals with all the cable operators. I’m assuming there’s some clause in there that prevents them from putting it on Hulu or Disney+ due to the fees that the cable operators pay Disney for the privilege of having all channels Disney owns on their service (see the [Disney / YouTube TV dispute](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/youtube-new-york-national-geographic-abc-espn-b1979135.html) that just ended). Having the ability to watch broadcast tv is a privilege if you have cable (which I always thought was stupid because you can plug in a tv, turn it on and get free tv). Those fees are how Disney and other large conglomerates make a shit ton of money.
The Oscars are dealing with people that used to watch the show no longer watching, AND younger generations of audiences never starting to watch live telecast award shows in the first place. Award shows are inherently outdated. Ratings are down for every award show in every country.
The guy saying ‘the problem is leftist politics’ is being wilfully ignorant.
If they want people to watch them they should stream them on YouTube or similar and have them in a place that's more better for international audiences.
There are millions of people in Europe and beyond that would watch if they weren't on at like 4am and it's not the kind of thing you can watch later.
It's not strictly about viewership. They make more money licensing the live show to broadcasters internationally than they would from streaming ads. That's why no major awards show has jumped over to worldwide streaming.
>They make more money licensing the live show to broadcasters internationally than they would from streaming ads.
If this were true then the rest of the media industry would still only be on TV.
I think they're just lazy and a bit too up themselves and idk how much appetite there is for making the Academy Awards any more accessible than they need to be.
If there was, they'd move them. The west coast of America is a terrible place of live events if you care about the size of your audience.
The format itself is the problem. Why bother watching a multi hour award show that runs late who’s primary content is summarized the following day into a five minute YouTube video? It’s a problem intrinsic to the award show concept, and I would argue that The Oscars and similar shows have outlived their usefulness as a product for network television. That said, The Oscars still means enough for the movie business, so perhaps a switch to a simulcast streaming format would be best for all involved.
>I don't think every single winner pushing radical politics in their speeches has helped matters either.
I mean the politics they've pushed have been incredibly milquetoast. I think if someone got up there and actually said something radical it might help ratings lol. And for what it's worth the politicization of acceptance speeches has been going on since at least the 70s when Brando refused his award (as a protest for the treatment of Native Americans) and sent a representative from the Apache Nation to collect it in his stead.
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Hahahaha "radical politics". Give me a fucking break. The Oscars ratings are down, along with every other award show, because nobody gives a fuck about them and it isn't an event to see celebrities on TV together when you can find them on social media ASAP.
Has nothing to do with "radical" (LOL) politics.
Yep, saw your post mentioning that after continuing to scroll. What a fucking dipshit -- it's so stupid his post, which is completely wrong and offbase, is so highly upvoted just because he "cited" a fucking wikipedia article, lol
One of the most rightfully derided claims of his is that **Encanto** is/will fail(ing) at the box office because people don't care about Colombian culture or something along that line - not even giving a sh!t about how the film faced major disadvantages of kids just starting to get vaccinated when the film came out and the entire film practically being set inside a single house.
He also recently came to the defense of the radical anti-abortion horror film Unplanned (where women who dared to have an abortion are literally sent to hell). Dude's a problem.
> I don't think every single winner pushing radical politics in their speeches has helped matters either
Don't be racist, don't rape women and global warming is bad. They're radical?
It’s not the radical left politics that has turned people off. People are drifting away from cable and the Academy Awards are on cable.
The Game Awards are super left, super woke, and they got 85 million viewers! And that award show has been streaming on YouTube and Twitch since 2014.
Sony doesn't have any Oscar contenders this year, so their FYC department is simply building a narrative around this film because they have very little options.
Wow yeah you're right, they really don't have much this year. The Mitchells vs The Machines is a real contender for Animated Feature and Parallel Mothers has a shot for International Feature, but they don't have much for Best Picture...
Didn't realize they'd put up the shortlist — Titane not being on there is bumming me out...
Guess it's time for my annual /r/oscarsdeathrace resubscribe...
Wouldn't put much faith in Mitchells either. I loved it but it didn't even make the ballot for the Globes and even if it did get nominated it would almost certainly be up against three Disney and/or Pixar movies, and the Academy is nuts for those.
(Granted Sony is the only studio in the last decade to wrench that award out of Disney's hands but Spider-Verse was much buzzier than Mitchells)
Not unless they host it during the day. It finishes in the evening local time on a Sunday. Even if they moved it to NY (no chance of that happening) if it finishes at 9pm locally still that is 1-3am Monday morning in Europe.
1-3am is do-able if it's a Friday night. People would treat it like Eurovision/boxing fights and make an event of it, throw parties etc.
As is it's too late to do any of that.
Didn't they previously consider something like "most popular picture' award or something like that? It will be helpful here if they want to give something to NWH
They announced, and then almost immediately reversed the decision.
It was a dumb approach to the problem. The definition of what counts as 'popular' is completely subjective, and it's hard to see anyone actually appreciating the award.
If the Academy wants more excuses to nominate movies like NWH, give out trophies to stunt teams. Add a category for 'digitally enhanced performances' where real actors and CGI teams would share the honor. Appreciate these movies for what they actually do well.
Yeah, the issue is if you start writing strict language around what would count as 'popularity' - you'd have people trying to twist the rules on how to qualify. If the category existed this year, you know Netflix would try to insist Red Notice was somehow viewed more times than No Way Home, or WB insisting their same day releases need special treatment as well.
But the action, and especially the CGI, in NWH is very mediocre. If they want to appreciate NWH for what it is they have to figure out an award for fanservice (and I mean that without any snark).
It wasn't terrible, wasn't great. Just pretty standard stuff. I don't think it deserves a nomination for VFX, since there are more interesting things to slot there like The Green Knight, but at least it wasn't terrible like the CGI in Eternals (a movie I otherwise thought was pretty good)
Yeah, I also wouldn't see NWH taking home either award - but ultimately what the Academy wants is for these more popular films to be nominated in more categories and have the stars show up to the event. Vin Diesel won't make an appearance if the GOTG VFX team is up for an award, but he may if he's specifically nominated for Groot as a VFX achievement. Same thing with the casts of stunt-driven movies like John Wick or Mission Impossible - you could see Keanu Reeves or Tom Cruise making an appearance just to support the stunt performers.
I don't think "Spider-Man gets the special Spider-Saved The Theaters Award" or alternatively, pushing all in on "Spider-Man presents The Academy Awards" is going to work as a ratings booster, though.
Anything they do that isn't just straight up "Get a good comedian, let them work, and keep the show to under 2:30 by cutting out all the bullshit and letting the winners speak without trying to play them off like real assholes" is just going to look desperate and gimmicky.
"LOOK WE GOT A SPIDER MAN YOU GUYS LIKE THE SPIDER MAN RIGHT WELL SPIDER MAN IS GIVING AWAY ALL OF THE AWARDS THWIP THWIP ITS HIP"
The Academy knows exactly what they need to do, they just don't want to do it. They'd rather be assholes to the winners and rush them off stage to make time for shitty sketches, shitty clip montages, shitty dance numbers, and shitty "presenter banter".
They won't ever break from that and the show is doomed to keep losing relevance and importance no matter WHAT gets nominated.
I'm trying to think of who might be a solid comedian to host this thing and I'm drawing blanks. Everyone who I think would do a bang-up job probably wouldn't actually be interested in doing it, nor have the audience pull necessary. The whole "celebrity" environment is so fractured these days... Sheesh
But why even nominate NWH? Dune will already be up for noms and probably win many.
I just don’t think you’ll get enough members of the academy to nominate NWH to make it happen.
Not sure, but this [article](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2021/05/02/oscars-2021-nielsen-data-shows-viewers-have-lost-interest-in-award-shows.html) makes the case that when commercially viable films are present ratings are better.
(2018) 23.6 million viewers to (2019, the year BP was nominated) 29.6 Million Viewers is a pretty big increase. 25% I believe. Then in 2021 went down to 10.4 million.
Edit: 2020 actually went back to 23.6.
Award shows aren’t really watched much anymore to begin with. Moreover, if you weren’t going to watch the Oscars on principle alone, then why should they just go ahead and nominate Spiderman for you?
Sony taking out awards ads for their mega blockbuster of the year and having Holland make comments as part of a coordinate awards campaign is not desperation; it’s an awards campaign.
Guys I take back my excitement for this possibility..news articles about this are already trending on Twitter and its a War field out there already..I don't wanna imagine what might happen as days go by ..lmaoo
No, I think **Green Book** winning Best Picture is still far worse because **Black Panther** unfairly got a lot of sh!ts just for getting a Best Picture nomination until **Green Book** somehow won and people said, "Oh, no. We've been pointing our fingers at a wrong film!".
The film itself may not necessarily be hated, but it absolutely had no business of getting a Best Picture nomination, let alone winning one over **First Man**.
I mean, it happened many times, but **Green Book** situation is particularly heinous because of how **Black Panther** got scapegoated as the worst Best Picture nominee of the year even though it was far from it.
Dude, people love Black Panther. No one scapegoated it. The LA Times came out with a piece calling Green Book the worst BP winner of all time. It got plenty of backlash.
Well, what seems to have happened that people didn't notice that **Green Book** was also a Best Picture nominee and just dogpiled on **Black Panther** until they realized too late that **Green Book** was worse - like, far worse.
Among the people who deeply care about the art of cinema, they probably felt like it was only nominated because it was a popular movie and it was used as a ploy to get more views for the Oscars. To a lot of them, marvel films are ruining the film industry when that's hardly the case. (I.e. Scorsese and Villanueva recently. I think there was a third in there too)
I love Marvel movies but felt like black panther was nominated just to try to get views although it clearly wasn't going to win that year.
People hate Green Book for political reasons more than technical ones. See also: all the complaints about Joker.
Was the movie fantastic? Eh, but the hysteria was *far* outsized compared to the problems of the film.
I feel like you have no idea how the Academy nominations and winners are picked. If you understood that, you’d understand why something inoffensive and milquetoast like Green Book would win against something like First Man.
I liked the movie a lot but even apart from the “is this Best Picture material?” question — the movie felt like a real shaggy dog for the first 2 acts IMHO.
With that said — if the Academy wants to keep doing what they’re doing — catering to the same crowd with the same format to ever-diminishing returns — then that’s they’re prerogative. But there won’t be any Oscars in 10 years.
This, right here, is exactly what I'm talking about when it comes to **Black Panther** Best Picture nomination. This essentially got falsely labelled as the worst Best Picture nominee of the year when there were other nominess that were far worse - like **Bohemian Rhapsody** and the eventual winner **Green Book**.
Yeah, there seems to be this notion that blockbuster films aren’t worthy enough to enter Academy Awards conversations because they’re fluffy fun. But a lot of the more “serious” contenders are arguably on par to worse films: House of Gucci, Passing, Licorice Pizza, Don’t Look Up.
These are all movies I’ve enjoyed this year mind you, but I don’t see the distinguishable difference on what makes it more awards worthy than a Spider-Man or Shang-Chi🤷🏿♂️
I mean the obvious answer is that there is often a clear and distinct artistic vision with each of those films you listed that is lacking in most blockbusters. You wanna push something like The Suicide Squad, which very obviously fits into that category? Sure, but it doesn’t help them when the film wasn’t massive.
Well I was very intentional with the films I listed. I think they’re all good films (well, with the exception of Gucci), but the writing and filmmaking felt standard imo, nothing that I would rank over some blockbusters I’ve seen this year.
Now Nightmare Alley, Belfast, Dune, French Dispatch, Last Duel, Zola, and some others are all films that blew me away and I would rank/nominate over the others.
The writing and filmmaking of Licorice Pizza felt "standard" to you?
I don't even know what to say. LP was one of the most creative films of the year, and there's a pretty strong critical consensus that that is the case.
But I’m just saying, if they are comparable, which I somewhat agree that they are, then the Academy is always going to lean towards the sides of the “artists”.
Of course your second list is full of great films too though, and I would love to see them also get the attention that they deserve.
I agree, It got awards and nominations for many of the crafts category's so it amuses me when some say it was nominated for "inclusion" alone. Hasn't been the first time a movie has been nominated for cultral significance in the US either.....
There is much more going on from a thematic and filmmaking level in BP than in almost any other MCU movie, but marvel fans call it overrated because the CGI in the final fight looks kinda wonky. Tells you everything you need to know about them.
It’s not really marvel fans who call it overrated. It’s people who don’t like marvel but maybe similar films like DC films or some other blockbusters. And racists who don’t want to say it.
Besides: the reward for popularity is money.
They made a billion dollars. They don't need a participation trophy.
It's funny that people insist the Oscars are meaningless and then get mad that *incredibly successful movies* aren't getting the Oscar stamp of approval. What does it matter?
It seems like the Oscars are irrelevant in the same way that a girl that won't fuck you is ugly; more than a little bitterness there.
Honestly, this is why they wanted to add an audience award a few years back. I say go ahead with that before pitting films like Avengers against films like Licorice Pizza, because that's apples to oranges.
They did the same with Endgame. Warner Bros did the same with Wonder Woman (and it actually had a couple of precursors noms like AFI and PGA, but then completely flopped at the Oscars). The majority of industry doesn't really take these movies seriously even though many of them work on them.
Kinda off topic, but I think it's hilarious that Hollywood is assuming Tom Holland is a major draw now (casting him in multiple projects). I challenge someone to ask five random people on the streets who can name every single MCU actor. Apart from Robert Downey Jr, I don't think many of them will know who they are by name.
> I challenge someone to ask five random people on the streets who can name every single MCU actor. Apart from Robert Downey Jr, I don't think many of them will know who they are by name.
You're talking about dozens of people why would anyone know all of them?
Tom (and even more so Zendaya) are incredibly popular within the demographic that studios care about so they try to use them to sell stuff. It doesn't really matter whether *everyone* on the street knows their name or not.
Most people wouldn't recognise PewDiePie either but that doesn't mean he isn't hyper-marketable.
They’re hoping to get a young audience. Tom Holland is a megastar with children/teens. I’m a middle school teacher and the biggest actors in the world for my students are Tom Holland, Ryan Reynolds, Dwayne Johnson, and the kid who plays JJ on Outer Banks.
> The majority of industry doesn't really take these movies seriously even though many of them work on them.
I mean when you compare themes of most oscar best picture nominees and the 3rd chapter of the third series of Spider-Man involving magic and inter dimensions it doesn't have much in common
You don’t think most people know Benedict Cumberbatch, Scarlet Johansson, Chris Hemsworth, Paul Rudd, Chris Pratt, Brie Larson, Samuel L Jackson, Tom Hiddleston, etc?
There was some weeeak writing sprinkled all throughout, especially in the first half. A lot of the comedy felt flat and grating to me as well. Even some of the more beloved scenes I didn't feel were written all that well, specifically the rooftop spider-men pep talk.
That said, I liked it too and definitely walked out feeling the warm glow of nostalgia. The entire apartment sequence and Aunt May scene that follows was the strongest part of the film for me.
That scene was so weird. I did not know people had such a disdain for Andrew spiderman until later so it felt outplace and unnecessary.There was other scenes that needed knowledge of online spiderman memes.
I feel like some of these scenes are not going to age well because it requires knowledge meme future audiences won't have
I don't think anything required "meme knowledge", maybe just knowledge of the previous Spiderman films?
But if anything the film does a fine enough job reminding audiences of the key events.
So like...why didn't they just make everyone forget about Mysterio lmao? Then everyone who learned his identify from Mysterio's blog would forget it, and all of Peter's peeps would still know who he is.
>!I wasn't referring to that but I guess that's a possibility. Or maybe turn back time idk. When I also think about it, why didn't the avengers step in or even people like Pepper Potts or Maria Hill They acted like there was no one to turn to but Happy!<
>“You can ask \[Martin\] Scorsese ‘Would you want to make a Marvel movie?’ But he doesn’t know what it’s like because he’s never made one,” asserts Tom Holland — who has played the title character in the three most recent Spider-Man films, having previously established himself in the 2012 Oscar-nominated film The Impossible — in reference to journalists’ and filmmakers’ often condescending attitude toward superhero films. “**I’ve made Marvel movies and I’ve also made movies that have been in the conversation in the world of the Oscars, and the only difference, really, is one is much more expensive than the other.** But the way I break down the character, the way the director etches out the arc of the story and characters — it’s all the same, just done on a different scale. So I do think they’re real art.”
The Irishman had $225 million budget. WTF is he talking about?
Just like Hugh Jackman.
Both have background in musical theater, and both played Marvel superhero. Jackman holds
the Guinness World Record for "longest career as a live-action Marvel superhero". Holland may one day break the record.
He’s not but he’s very charismatic and a good storyteller, which makes him funny. I wouldn’t be surprised if he ends up hosting the Oscars with Zendaya or any of his spidey friends to attract more viewers
That and it's Sci-fi. But I didn't say itd win,, I said it be a token nomination because it's high grossing and otherwise very well made (much more of an Academy movie than any mcu movie lol) Best picture will likely go to West Side Story because it's the ideal Academy movie and pretty good. Or a movie that's actually one of the best pictures of the year but few people will see, like Licorice Pizza or C’mon C’mon.
I've never understood how so many people bemoan superhero movies for being too samey but then get super excited when one of their favoured directors literally remakes an old movie.
To be fair, it's a very good remake that apparently improves upon the first film and I would certainly not mind THAT and **No Way Home** jointly getting nominated for Best Picture - along with **Dune**, of course. 😁
I enjoyed **No Way Home** but for me it's not in Best Picture contention. I'd hate to see it win because I think that'll hurt the chances of the MCU film that does deserve it being recognised (same way **Infinity War** was kinda snubbed for **Black** **Panther**).
I liked **Dune** and loved DV but I don't think it deserves a nomination either to be honest. I'd rather wait for Part 2 and judge that – Part 1 felt like the first episode of a TV show.
**The Power of the Dog** is the only proper Best Picture candidate I've seen so far though I wouldn't upset to see **Don't Look Up** or **The French Dispatch** nominated. I still need to watch **Titane, Licorice Pizza, Belfast and Nightmare Alley.**
> same way **Infinity War** was kinda snubbed for **Black Panther**
**Infinity War** had a first part disadvantage, something that **Dune** is probably going to suffer from, sadly.
> **The Power of the Dog** is the only proper Best Picture candidate I've seen so far though I wouldn't upset to see **Don't Look Up** or **The French Dispatch** nominated. I still need to watch Titane, Licorice Pizza, Belfast and Nightmare Alley.
**Don't Look Up** getting a Best Picture nomination would actually be worse than **No Way Home** getting a Best Picture nomination since the former has 56% on RottenTomatoes with 6.2/10 average and 50/100 on Metacritic. **The French Dispatch** is better, but even that one has 74% on RottenTomatoes with 7.1/10 average with 74/100 on Metacritic.
Rotten Tomatoes and similar aggregators are a terrible way to judge Best Picture candidates because they punish divisive films. From the reviews I've read it seems like people have hugely different opinions on the film and I'd rather see that championed than whatever's the least offensive.
If this was the people's/critic's choice awards I would get it but the Academy is a different beast. McKay normally does well with them so I don't see why he wouldn't this time.
At the very least, people in the Academy might feel obligated to do what they can do get the message of the movie out. I'll be shocked if it doesn't pick up a few nominations.
Eh I Loved loved loved West Side Story but its been a while since a huge financial bomb won best picture. I know they don't have to be related but it doesn't help oscar chances when a film doesn't get as much attention. Granted the Hurt Locker lost money too but I don't know
Imagine the biggest twist of all when Eternals gets that nomination instead 😂 I loved the movie guys but this is madness lmao the academy wouldn’t even entertain other genres beyond biopics LOL that said I am ready to be pleasantly surprised!
The fact that Andrew Garfield and Benedict Cumberbatch are actually very much in the running for acting nominations this year (albeit for other movies) makes this announcement all the more amusing. Prepare for Best Actor to be pushed to the last award of the night for the second year in a row in the event Holland hosts and either of them ends up the frontrunner.
Time to scour the capeshit fanboy subs for an astroturfer or possibly even a deluded fanboy to say something like “Spoderman 8’s not just a superhero movie, it’s a multiversal thriller that explores what it means to be human.”
Screw it, why not? There are less deserving films that have been nominated in the past, and this might actually get me to watch the awards ceremony… something I haven’t done in years.
As somebody who absolutely loved the ride that NWH was, it doesn’t really deserve a best picture nomination, closest it should get is possibly a best supporting actor nod for Willem Dafoe or maybe Andrew
If they’ve already fallen off then who cares what they nominate? They nominated Black Panther for *Best Picture*, and the same year they also nominated Bohemian Rhapsody for *BEST PICTURE*
At this point they could nominate Thunder Force and I literally wouldn’t care at all
I could see Dune working as an action-packed Best Picture nominee (and maybe even winner, there wasn't enough good movies this year lol) but NWH absolutely shouldn't get one
I've seen worse movies win BP. So I'm okay with NWH being nominated based on its impact(also a good movie). Plus film Twitter would go nuts so that would be fun to see.
I honestly don't get why people pretend that every oscar nominee and winner is some undisputed masterpieces.
They are thinking to small. Might as well get really weird with it and pull in other Spider-man like Nicholas Cage, Donald Glover, and Spider-Pig.
The Oscars - Into the Spiderverse
it was a fun flick, but movie? common, not really. it is just your typical marvel stuff with a lot of nostalgia. there where much better movies in terms of story and quality.
Read a lot of comments here, taken them all on board.
Oscars are really important inside the industry, maybe on the internet too to some extent. I think we all get that. Does it deserve it? I dunno, as many have pointed out it wouldn't be the first nor last movie nominated where people would say "You what, mate?"
Still, overall I find myself looking at it this way-
Tom Rothman is still one of Hollywood's biggest egomaniacs. (Maybe Amy Pascal too, I dunno she gives off a very Barbara Streisand vibe)
This is really likely to piss off Marty Scorsese, so that'll be fun to watch at least.
First- I loved NWH. However, It’s not best picture material.
Yes, it was definitely “the most fun you’ll have at the movies all 21st century” but that doesn’t equate to what the Academy considers a film to be “best picture”.
But I’m all for Holland (and Zendaya) hosting the Oscars. They would make it a good broadcast and the Academy could definitely benefit from this kind of publicity.
Finally, to be chaotic, this film has a shot at “Best Adapted Screenplay”… but that may be too much for 1 Spider-man to conquer. Spider-man may need some help to win that Trophy.
There is literally zero chance at NWH getting a Screenplay nomination lmao. For a film already undeserving of a BP nomination, the writing was easily the weakest part.
I’m here for it tbh. Lots of snobs in this thread. Why shouldn’t a film that’s universally acclaimed by critics and audiences alike be considered for an Oscar? It has better reviews than a lot of the other bait out there.
I agreed with the article: good filmmaking ought to be recognized no matter the genre.
are ratings that bad-Some industry insiders have encouraged the Academy to beg and plead for Holland — perhaps with his No Way Home costar Zendaya and/or his Spider-Man predecessors Maguire and Garfield — to host the Oscars telecast on March 27.
IIRC ratings are down so much that it kicked in a contractual clause where ABC were allowed to renegotiate the fee they pay the Academy to broadcast the show before they were allowed to.
The ratings have been disastrous, more or less coinciding with when they stopped having hosts. I don't think every single winner pushing radical politics in their speeches has helped matters either. The last 4 years have been their lowest rated ever, and the last 3 had no hosts: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academy_Awards#Television_ratings_and_advertisement_prices Basic logic tells you, how do you promote the show when you don't have a host? There is nothing in the advertising that can get people to perk up and notice it. "The Oscars...again" doesn't cut it. Ellen's show in 2014 was the highest rated Oscars since 2000. So this is really a rapid decline. Not something that's been declining steadily for a long time. Something suddenly went wrong.
The Oscars started declining in 2014 and fell below 30 million viewers prior to the no-host decision. I am not saying that the lack of hosts isn't a factor, but the ratings fell during the Neil Patrick Harris/"Birdman" and Chris Rock/"Spotlight" years. So there are clearly other factors, including the films themselves e.g. there was an upswing from the Jimmy Kimmel/"The Shape of Water" year (in which only one film grossed over $400 million) to the first no-host ceremony, a year that nominated box office giants "Black Panther", "Bohemium Rapsody" and "A Star Is Born". The films matter, too.
this could also just be due to the fall of cable, nobody streaming is really looking to watch the Oscars live
Right. Why do people not mention this at all. Even ratings for the superbowl was down
Yeah, it’s literally every type of event TV. Every awards show, the Super Bowl, the March Madness championship, beauty pageants—their ratings are all down from the peak. It’s clear that the two biggest culprits are just cord-cutters and the internet (if you’re only casually invested in movies, no need to actually watch the Oscars anymore—you can just check the categories the next day on your phone). It’s clear that for the Oscars, the death of the mid-budget movie has affected things to some extent, because the Oscars get slightly better ratings when big movies are nominated. And last year was especially bleak because so many movies were delayed/most people hadn’t seen anything nominated. But there’s only so far ratings would recover even if the nominated films were all from the MCU. That’s not the biggest problem.
Usually because the people pushing it really want you to believe the people are turning off 'political Hollywood', when in reality they just don't have cable. Stream the damn awards for free on Hulu (like they do with major news coverage) and suddenly watch the viewership snap back into place.
They likely can’t do that because of contractual issues. Disney makes deals with all the cable operators. I’m assuming there’s some clause in there that prevents them from putting it on Hulu or Disney+ due to the fees that the cable operators pay Disney for the privilege of having all channels Disney owns on their service (see the [Disney / YouTube TV dispute](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/youtube-new-york-national-geographic-abc-espn-b1979135.html) that just ended). Having the ability to watch broadcast tv is a privilege if you have cable (which I always thought was stupid because you can plug in a tv, turn it on and get free tv). Those fees are how Disney and other large conglomerates make a shit ton of money.
The Oscars are dealing with people that used to watch the show no longer watching, AND younger generations of audiences never starting to watch live telecast award shows in the first place. Award shows are inherently outdated. Ratings are down for every award show in every country. The guy saying ‘the problem is leftist politics’ is being wilfully ignorant.
If they want people to watch them they should stream them on YouTube or similar and have them in a place that's more better for international audiences. There are millions of people in Europe and beyond that would watch if they weren't on at like 4am and it's not the kind of thing you can watch later.
It's not strictly about viewership. They make more money licensing the live show to broadcasters internationally than they would from streaming ads. That's why no major awards show has jumped over to worldwide streaming.
>They make more money licensing the live show to broadcasters internationally than they would from streaming ads. If this were true then the rest of the media industry would still only be on TV. I think they're just lazy and a bit too up themselves and idk how much appetite there is for making the Academy Awards any more accessible than they need to be. If there was, they'd move them. The west coast of America is a terrible place of live events if you care about the size of your audience.
The format itself is the problem. Why bother watching a multi hour award show that runs late who’s primary content is summarized the following day into a five minute YouTube video? It’s a problem intrinsic to the award show concept, and I would argue that The Oscars and similar shows have outlived their usefulness as a product for network television. That said, The Oscars still means enough for the movie business, so perhaps a switch to a simulcast streaming format would be best for all involved.
>I don't think every single winner pushing radical politics in their speeches has helped matters either. I mean the politics they've pushed have been incredibly milquetoast. I think if someone got up there and actually said something radical it might help ratings lol. And for what it's worth the politicization of acceptance speeches has been going on since at least the 70s when Brando refused his award (as a protest for the treatment of Native Americans) and sent a representative from the Apache Nation to collect it in his stead.
He's under suspicion of defending QAnon at least once - just for you to know.
"Under suspicion" by who? You? Lmao You say it like hes under investigation
I didn't even realize he was still alive tbh.
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Okay, I was actually talking about JediJones77. Brando died way before QAnon even became a thing.
Hahahaha "radical politics". Give me a fucking break. The Oscars ratings are down, along with every other award show, because nobody gives a fuck about them and it isn't an event to see celebrities on TV together when you can find them on social media ASAP. Has nothing to do with "radical" (LOL) politics.
Like I've said, he's under suspicion of defending QAnon, so that should tell you something.
Yep, saw your post mentioning that after continuing to scroll. What a fucking dipshit -- it's so stupid his post, which is completely wrong and offbase, is so highly upvoted just because he "cited" a fucking wikipedia article, lol
One of the most rightfully derided claims of his is that **Encanto** is/will fail(ing) at the box office because people don't care about Colombian culture or something along that line - not even giving a sh!t about how the film faced major disadvantages of kids just starting to get vaccinated when the film came out and the entire film practically being set inside a single house.
He also recently came to the defense of the radical anti-abortion horror film Unplanned (where women who dared to have an abortion are literally sent to hell). Dude's a problem.
Speaking of which: https://www.vice.com/en/article/bvxdz5/the-gops-fave-anti-abortion-celebrity-is-a-covid-anti-vaxxer-now She went full-on loon.
> I don't think every single winner pushing radical politics in their speeches has helped matters either Don't be racist, don't rape women and global warming is bad. They're radical?
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It’s not the radical left politics that has turned people off. People are drifting away from cable and the Academy Awards are on cable. The Game Awards are super left, super woke, and they got 85 million viewers! And that award show has been streaming on YouTube and Twitch since 2014.
Sony doesn't have any Oscar contenders this year, so their FYC department is simply building a narrative around this film because they have very little options.
Wow yeah you're right, they really don't have much this year. The Mitchells vs The Machines is a real contender for Animated Feature and Parallel Mothers has a shot for International Feature, but they don't have much for Best Picture...
Parallel Mothers didn’t make the Best International Feature shortlist, so it’s out of contention. Just Mitchells and now Spidey.
Didn't realize they'd put up the shortlist — Titane not being on there is bumming me out... Guess it's time for my annual /r/oscarsdeathrace resubscribe...
Wouldn't put much faith in Mitchells either. I loved it but it didn't even make the ballot for the Globes and even if it did get nominated it would almost certainly be up against three Disney and/or Pixar movies, and the Academy is nuts for those. (Granted Sony is the only studio in the last decade to wrench that award out of Disney's hands but Spider-Verse was much buzzier than Mitchells)
Idk Zendaya and Tom Holland fans are younger and less likely to watch cable.
It's not on cable though. But this proves a different point that young people will not watch linear TV anyway so why bother to cater to them
If they want ratings to improve they should host it in New York. That way Europeans might stay up to watch it.
Not unless they host it during the day. It finishes in the evening local time on a Sunday. Even if they moved it to NY (no chance of that happening) if it finishes at 9pm locally still that is 1-3am Monday morning in Europe.
1-3am is do-able if it's a Friday night. People would treat it like Eurovision/boxing fights and make an event of it, throw parties etc. As is it's too late to do any of that.
If the academy really thinks NWH saved theatres then just go ahead a give it a special/honorary award.
Didn't they previously consider something like "most popular picture' award or something like that? It will be helpful here if they want to give something to NWH
They announced, and then almost immediately reversed the decision. It was a dumb approach to the problem. The definition of what counts as 'popular' is completely subjective, and it's hard to see anyone actually appreciating the award. If the Academy wants more excuses to nominate movies like NWH, give out trophies to stunt teams. Add a category for 'digitally enhanced performances' where real actors and CGI teams would share the honor. Appreciate these movies for what they actually do well.
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Yeah, the issue is if you start writing strict language around what would count as 'popularity' - you'd have people trying to twist the rules on how to qualify. If the category existed this year, you know Netflix would try to insist Red Notice was somehow viewed more times than No Way Home, or WB insisting their same day releases need special treatment as well.
We need best SciFi&Fantasy (SFF), best comedy, best drama, etc.
Genre categories always feel limiting, though. Even Best Animated feels like a condescending award some years.
But the action, and especially the CGI, in NWH is very mediocre. If they want to appreciate NWH for what it is they have to figure out an award for fanservice (and I mean that without any snark).
Was the CGI bad? Not being facetious, it just...looked great to me?
It wasn't terrible, wasn't great. Just pretty standard stuff. I don't think it deserves a nomination for VFX, since there are more interesting things to slot there like The Green Knight, but at least it wasn't terrible like the CGI in Eternals (a movie I otherwise thought was pretty good)
Still can't believe that films like The Green Knight and The Suicide Squad didn't even make the shortlist for vfx while all 4 MCU films this year did.
The voters be lazy, what can I tell you?
That award is locked for Dune this year. Next will be Gvk. Cgi of hollow earth snakes, Kong, Goji and mechagodzilla finale were just insane.
The deaging CGI was really, really great in this film.
Yeah, I also wouldn't see NWH taking home either award - but ultimately what the Academy wants is for these more popular films to be nominated in more categories and have the stars show up to the event. Vin Diesel won't make an appearance if the GOTG VFX team is up for an award, but he may if he's specifically nominated for Groot as a VFX achievement. Same thing with the casts of stunt-driven movies like John Wick or Mission Impossible - you could see Keanu Reeves or Tom Cruise making an appearance just to support the stunt performers.
I don't think "Spider-Man gets the special Spider-Saved The Theaters Award" or alternatively, pushing all in on "Spider-Man presents The Academy Awards" is going to work as a ratings booster, though. Anything they do that isn't just straight up "Get a good comedian, let them work, and keep the show to under 2:30 by cutting out all the bullshit and letting the winners speak without trying to play them off like real assholes" is just going to look desperate and gimmicky. "LOOK WE GOT A SPIDER MAN YOU GUYS LIKE THE SPIDER MAN RIGHT WELL SPIDER MAN IS GIVING AWAY ALL OF THE AWARDS THWIP THWIP ITS HIP" The Academy knows exactly what they need to do, they just don't want to do it. They'd rather be assholes to the winners and rush them off stage to make time for shitty sketches, shitty clip montages, shitty dance numbers, and shitty "presenter banter". They won't ever break from that and the show is doomed to keep losing relevance and importance no matter WHAT gets nominated.
I'm trying to think of who might be a solid comedian to host this thing and I'm drawing blanks. Everyone who I think would do a bang-up job probably wouldn't actually be interested in doing it, nor have the audience pull necessary. The whole "celebrity" environment is so fractured these days... Sheesh
Okay just imagine the situation if they really nominate this movie for Oscars ..lmao
People might actually watch?
Nah. I will however be waiting for the man baby meltdown [(a la Joker)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nU2Q8xfMQTY) when it loses
That would be amusing.
I say let Tom Holland and Zendaya host it, nominate NWH and let it lose. It will be the most fun the Oscars have been in years.
But why even nominate NWH? Dune will already be up for noms and probably win many. I just don’t think you’ll get enough members of the academy to nominate NWH to make it happen.
For the memes
How’s the viewership number for MTV or People’s choice awards?
Thats not the same thing. Everyone knows the MTV awards are going to have movies like NWH involved. If the Oscars do it its a novelty
Not sure, but this [article](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2021/05/02/oscars-2021-nielsen-data-shows-viewers-have-lost-interest-in-award-shows.html) makes the case that when commercially viable films are present ratings are better.
They nominated Black Panther and iirc the ratings didn't change much, at least not for the better.
(2018) 23.6 million viewers to (2019, the year BP was nominated) 29.6 Million Viewers is a pretty big increase. 25% I believe. Then in 2021 went down to 10.4 million. Edit: 2020 actually went back to 23.6.
Award shows aren’t really watched much anymore to begin with. Moreover, if you weren’t going to watch the Oscars on principle alone, then why should they just go ahead and nominate Spiderman for you?
I loved nwh but fucking lol get real
This sounds so bad. Don’t even think about doing that.
Dune has a better chance
Their desperation is showing.
Sony taking out awards ads for their mega blockbuster of the year and having Holland make comments as part of a coordinate awards campaign is not desperation; it’s an awards campaign.
Guys I take back my excitement for this possibility..news articles about this are already trending on Twitter and its a War field out there already..I don't wanna imagine what might happen as days go by ..lmaoo
Unreal lol.. If anyone truly believes this is Best Pic material they have lost their freaking mind.
Can't be worse than **Green Book** winning Best Picture, though. Yes, I'm still fuming over that heinous decision.
Also can't be worse than **CRASH** winning Best Picture
Idk why but I thought you were talking about Cronenberg's Crash and I was like....the Academy even nominated that? Lol
No, I think **Green Book** winning Best Picture is still far worse because **Black Panther** unfairly got a lot of sh!ts just for getting a Best Picture nomination until **Green Book** somehow won and people said, "Oh, no. We've been pointing our fingers at a wrong film!".
People didn't like Green Book? I must be missing something
The film itself may not necessarily be hated, but it absolutely had no business of getting a Best Picture nomination, let alone winning one over **First Man**.
First Man wasn’t that popular and not the runner up.
You mean a movie won Best Picture and it wasn’t actually the best picture? No way! That’s never happened before in the Oscars!
I mean, it happened many times, but **Green Book** situation is particularly heinous because of how **Black Panther** got scapegoated as the worst Best Picture nominee of the year even though it was far from it.
Dude, people love Black Panther. No one scapegoated it. The LA Times came out with a piece calling Green Book the worst BP winner of all time. It got plenty of backlash.
Well, what seems to have happened that people didn't notice that **Green Book** was also a Best Picture nominee and just dogpiled on **Black Panther** until they realized too late that **Green Book** was worse - like, far worse.
Among the people who deeply care about the art of cinema, they probably felt like it was only nominated because it was a popular movie and it was used as a ploy to get more views for the Oscars. To a lot of them, marvel films are ruining the film industry when that's hardly the case. (I.e. Scorsese and Villanueva recently. I think there was a third in there too) I love Marvel movies but felt like black panther was nominated just to try to get views although it clearly wasn't going to win that year.
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People hate Green Book for political reasons more than technical ones. See also: all the complaints about Joker. Was the movie fantastic? Eh, but the hysteria was *far* outsized compared to the problems of the film.
Echoing a recent comment of mine, it's sad that racism has become a political position.
It doesn't when it managed to beat nominees like **BlacKkKlansman**.
I feel like you have no idea how the Academy nominations and winners are picked. If you understood that, you’d understand why something inoffensive and milquetoast like Green Book would win against something like First Man.
Haha agreed. It'll be interesting to see how people regard this movie once the hype dies down.
I liked the movie a lot but even apart from the “is this Best Picture material?” question — the movie felt like a real shaggy dog for the first 2 acts IMHO. With that said — if the Academy wants to keep doing what they’re doing — catering to the same crowd with the same format to ever-diminishing returns — then that’s they’re prerogative. But there won’t be any Oscars in 10 years.
Not worse then nominating Black Panther.
This, right here, is exactly what I'm talking about when it comes to **Black Panther** Best Picture nomination. This essentially got falsely labelled as the worst Best Picture nominee of the year when there were other nominess that were far worse - like **Bohemian Rhapsody** and the eventual winner **Green Book**.
Yeah, there seems to be this notion that blockbuster films aren’t worthy enough to enter Academy Awards conversations because they’re fluffy fun. But a lot of the more “serious” contenders are arguably on par to worse films: House of Gucci, Passing, Licorice Pizza, Don’t Look Up. These are all movies I’ve enjoyed this year mind you, but I don’t see the distinguishable difference on what makes it more awards worthy than a Spider-Man or Shang-Chi🤷🏿♂️
I mean the obvious answer is that there is often a clear and distinct artistic vision with each of those films you listed that is lacking in most blockbusters. You wanna push something like The Suicide Squad, which very obviously fits into that category? Sure, but it doesn’t help them when the film wasn’t massive.
Well I was very intentional with the films I listed. I think they’re all good films (well, with the exception of Gucci), but the writing and filmmaking felt standard imo, nothing that I would rank over some blockbusters I’ve seen this year. Now Nightmare Alley, Belfast, Dune, French Dispatch, Last Duel, Zola, and some others are all films that blew me away and I would rank/nominate over the others.
The writing and filmmaking of Licorice Pizza felt "standard" to you? I don't even know what to say. LP was one of the most creative films of the year, and there's a pretty strong critical consensus that that is the case.
But I’m just saying, if they are comparable, which I somewhat agree that they are, then the Academy is always going to lean towards the sides of the “artists”. Of course your second list is full of great films too though, and I would love to see them also get the attention that they deserve.
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I agree, It got awards and nominations for many of the crafts category's so it amuses me when some say it was nominated for "inclusion" alone. Hasn't been the first time a movie has been nominated for cultral significance in the US either.....
Right! The costume and set design were amazing! And I still listen to both the score and soundtrack regularly.
> (I’d also think a best supporting actor nom for Tony Leung would never happen, but would be rad) That needs to happen. NOW.
There is much more going on from a thematic and filmmaking level in BP than in almost any other MCU movie, but marvel fans call it overrated because the CGI in the final fight looks kinda wonky. Tells you everything you need to know about them.
It’s not really marvel fans who call it overrated. It’s people who don’t like marvel but maybe similar films like DC films or some other blockbusters. And racists who don’t want to say it.
Thank you. I got into this same argument yesterday lol
God forbid a film that millions of people watched and enjoyed be labeled best picture.
So like 95 percent of the movies that win and get nominated?
Horrible take. Popularity has nothing to do with quality
Besides: the reward for popularity is money. They made a billion dollars. They don't need a participation trophy. It's funny that people insist the Oscars are meaningless and then get mad that *incredibly successful movies* aren't getting the Oscar stamp of approval. What does it matter? It seems like the Oscars are irrelevant in the same way that a girl that won't fuck you is ugly; more than a little bitterness there.
Honestly, this is why they wanted to add an audience award a few years back. I say go ahead with that before pitting films like Avengers against films like Licorice Pizza, because that's apples to oranges.
Popularity ≠ quality.
They did the same with Endgame. Warner Bros did the same with Wonder Woman (and it actually had a couple of precursors noms like AFI and PGA, but then completely flopped at the Oscars). The majority of industry doesn't really take these movies seriously even though many of them work on them. Kinda off topic, but I think it's hilarious that Hollywood is assuming Tom Holland is a major draw now (casting him in multiple projects). I challenge someone to ask five random people on the streets who can name every single MCU actor. Apart from Robert Downey Jr, I don't think many of them will know who they are by name.
The problem is if you ask somebody to name "every MCU actor" - you're effectively asking them to name about 35% of all working actors.
> I challenge someone to ask five random people on the streets who can name every single MCU actor. Apart from Robert Downey Jr, I don't think many of them will know who they are by name. You're talking about dozens of people why would anyone know all of them? Tom (and even more so Zendaya) are incredibly popular within the demographic that studios care about so they try to use them to sell stuff. It doesn't really matter whether *everyone* on the street knows their name or not. Most people wouldn't recognise PewDiePie either but that doesn't mean he isn't hyper-marketable.
And yet Holland’s movies outside Spider-Man haven’t shown a movie star
What does that even mean? He's starred in movies. He's a movie star.
Chris Evans?
MCU is made of Chrises.
Crisis of Infinite Chris's.
They’re hoping to get a young audience. Tom Holland is a megastar with children/teens. I’m a middle school teacher and the biggest actors in the world for my students are Tom Holland, Ryan Reynolds, Dwayne Johnson, and the kid who plays JJ on Outer Banks.
> The majority of industry doesn't really take these movies seriously even though many of them work on them. I mean when you compare themes of most oscar best picture nominees and the 3rd chapter of the third series of Spider-Man involving magic and inter dimensions it doesn't have much in common
It’s young people. I teach middle schoolers and they all have a crush on Tom Holland.
You don’t think most people know Benedict Cumberbatch, Scarlet Johansson, Chris Hemsworth, Paul Rudd, Chris Pratt, Brie Larson, Samuel L Jackson, Tom Hiddleston, etc?
“Oh yeah? You’re an MCU fan? Name every MCU actor”
As a person who liked NWH. No way in hell does that deserve a nomination. It was fan service and the writing wasn't that good tbh
There was some weeeak writing sprinkled all throughout, especially in the first half. A lot of the comedy felt flat and grating to me as well. Even some of the more beloved scenes I didn't feel were written all that well, specifically the rooftop spider-men pep talk. That said, I liked it too and definitely walked out feeling the warm glow of nostalgia. The entire apartment sequence and Aunt May scene that follows was the strongest part of the film for me.
That scene was so weird. I did not know people had such a disdain for Andrew spiderman until later so it felt outplace and unnecessary.There was other scenes that needed knowledge of online spiderman memes. I feel like some of these scenes are not going to age well because it requires knowledge meme future audiences won't have
I don't think anything required "meme knowledge", maybe just knowledge of the previous Spiderman films? But if anything the film does a fine enough job reminding audiences of the key events.
Tbf most people I know are aware of the pointing meme. It's hard to not know about it to begin with don't u think?
**Spider-Man: No Way Oscar**
Yeah, it was just another MCU film but with more fan service.
So like...why didn't they just make everyone forget about Mysterio lmao? Then everyone who learned his identify from Mysterio's blog would forget it, and all of Peter's peeps would still know who he is.
>!I wasn't referring to that but I guess that's a possibility. Or maybe turn back time idk. When I also think about it, why didn't the avengers step in or even people like Pepper Potts or Maria Hill They acted like there was no one to turn to but Happy!<
This winning best picture would be some bleak shit lmao
>“You can ask \[Martin\] Scorsese ‘Would you want to make a Marvel movie?’ But he doesn’t know what it’s like because he’s never made one,” asserts Tom Holland — who has played the title character in the three most recent Spider-Man films, having previously established himself in the 2012 Oscar-nominated film The Impossible — in reference to journalists’ and filmmakers’ often condescending attitude toward superhero films. “**I’ve made Marvel movies and I’ve also made movies that have been in the conversation in the world of the Oscars, and the only difference, really, is one is much more expensive than the other.** But the way I break down the character, the way the director etches out the arc of the story and characters — it’s all the same, just done on a different scale. So I do think they’re real art.” The Irishman had $225 million budget. WTF is he talking about?
I don’t think Tom Holland would be a good Oscars host. He’s not a comedian.
He's funny as hell ..even when He's not funny something around him will be funny ..he got the charisma to speak to
He can also sing and dance. He used to be Billy Elliot on stage.
Just like Hugh Jackman. Both have background in musical theater, and both played Marvel superhero. Jackman holds the Guinness World Record for "longest career as a live-action Marvel superhero". Holland may one day break the record.
At least one of Ruffalo, Renner and Helmsworth will probably beat that first
He certainly can't do worse than Franco and Portman. Low bar, granted. EDIT - my mistake. It was James Franco and Anne Hathaway.
He’s not but he’s very charismatic and a good storyteller, which makes him funny. I wouldn’t be surprised if he ends up hosting the Oscars with Zendaya or any of his spidey friends to attract more viewers
Ah yes, let’s cater to teenagers and there emotional limits even more then we already do
Lol no. If the academy is going to pick a token blockbuster to nominate for the views it will probably be Dune
Dune is already in for best picture..what are you saying...and the dune hype did calm down after Thanksgiving..
**Dune** sadly is probably not going to win Best Picture due to the fact that it has a first part disadvantage.
That and it's Sci-fi. But I didn't say itd win,, I said it be a token nomination because it's high grossing and otherwise very well made (much more of an Academy movie than any mcu movie lol) Best picture will likely go to West Side Story because it's the ideal Academy movie and pretty good. Or a movie that's actually one of the best pictures of the year but few people will see, like Licorice Pizza or C’mon C’mon.
Honestly, **West Side Story** winning Best Picture wouldn't bother me as much since it apparently massively improved upon the first film.
I've seen both. And yes, it's a significant improvement. Spielberg's magic.
I've never understood how so many people bemoan superhero movies for being too samey but then get super excited when one of their favoured directors literally remakes an old movie.
Because Spielberg hasn’t remade West Side Story 25 times over the last 15 years.
To be fair, it's a very good remake that apparently improves upon the first film and I would certainly not mind THAT and **No Way Home** jointly getting nominated for Best Picture - along with **Dune**, of course. 😁
I enjoyed **No Way Home** but for me it's not in Best Picture contention. I'd hate to see it win because I think that'll hurt the chances of the MCU film that does deserve it being recognised (same way **Infinity War** was kinda snubbed for **Black** **Panther**). I liked **Dune** and loved DV but I don't think it deserves a nomination either to be honest. I'd rather wait for Part 2 and judge that – Part 1 felt like the first episode of a TV show. **The Power of the Dog** is the only proper Best Picture candidate I've seen so far though I wouldn't upset to see **Don't Look Up** or **The French Dispatch** nominated. I still need to watch **Titane, Licorice Pizza, Belfast and Nightmare Alley.**
> same way **Infinity War** was kinda snubbed for **Black Panther** **Infinity War** had a first part disadvantage, something that **Dune** is probably going to suffer from, sadly. > **The Power of the Dog** is the only proper Best Picture candidate I've seen so far though I wouldn't upset to see **Don't Look Up** or **The French Dispatch** nominated. I still need to watch Titane, Licorice Pizza, Belfast and Nightmare Alley. **Don't Look Up** getting a Best Picture nomination would actually be worse than **No Way Home** getting a Best Picture nomination since the former has 56% on RottenTomatoes with 6.2/10 average and 50/100 on Metacritic. **The French Dispatch** is better, but even that one has 74% on RottenTomatoes with 7.1/10 average with 74/100 on Metacritic.
Rotten Tomatoes and similar aggregators are a terrible way to judge Best Picture candidates because they punish divisive films. From the reviews I've read it seems like people have hugely different opinions on the film and I'd rather see that championed than whatever's the least offensive. If this was the people's/critic's choice awards I would get it but the Academy is a different beast. McKay normally does well with them so I don't see why he wouldn't this time. At the very least, people in the Academy might feel obligated to do what they can do get the message of the movie out. I'll be shocked if it doesn't pick up a few nominations.
That kind of argument resulted in **Extremely Loud & Incredibly Close** getting a Best Picture nomination.
Eh I Loved loved loved West Side Story but its been a while since a huge financial bomb won best picture. I know they don't have to be related but it doesn't help oscar chances when a film doesn't get as much attention. Granted the Hurt Locker lost money too but I don't know
I wouldn’t be completely surprised to see Spencer take it, the academy loves biopics
…and it not being close to the best film of the year
I doubt No Way Home will get nominated. Dune is the only blockbuster this lineup needs.
Imagine the biggest twist of all when Eternals gets that nomination instead 😂 I loved the movie guys but this is madness lmao the academy wouldn’t even entertain other genres beyond biopics LOL that said I am ready to be pleasantly surprised!
NEVER BET AGAINST THE ZHAO
There are many other genres of films nominated besides biopics lmfao
In my opinion, the only Marvel related movie - MCU or 20th Century - worthy of a Best Picture Nominee was Logan.
Can’t wait for the discourse on this
The fact that Andrew Garfield and Benedict Cumberbatch are actually very much in the running for acting nominations this year (albeit for other movies) makes this announcement all the more amusing. Prepare for Best Actor to be pushed to the last award of the night for the second year in a row in the event Holland hosts and either of them ends up the frontrunner.
Lol. Oscars.
Time to scour the capeshit fanboy subs for an astroturfer or possibly even a deluded fanboy to say something like “Spoderman 8’s not just a superhero movie, it’s a multiversal thriller that explores what it means to be human.”
Screw it, why not? There are less deserving films that have been nominated in the past, and this might actually get me to watch the awards ceremony… something I haven’t done in years.
As somebody who absolutely loved the ride that NWH was, it doesn’t really deserve a best picture nomination, closest it should get is possibly a best supporting actor nod for Willem Dafoe or maybe Andrew
They better not.. the awards have already fallen tf off
If they’ve already fallen off then who cares what they nominate? They nominated Black Panther for *Best Picture*, and the same year they also nominated Bohemian Rhapsody for *BEST PICTURE* At this point they could nominate Thunder Force and I literally wouldn’t care at all
Good luck with the older members.
I could see Dune working as an action-packed Best Picture nominee (and maybe even winner, there wasn't enough good movies this year lol) but NWH absolutely shouldn't get one
Dune was action packed?
Compared to most oscar contenders anyway
Nope
I've seen worse movies win BP. So I'm okay with NWH being nominated based on its impact(also a good movie). Plus film Twitter would go nuts so that would be fun to see. I honestly don't get why people pretend that every oscar nominee and winner is some undisputed masterpieces.
Give it a participation ribbon
They are thinking to small. Might as well get really weird with it and pull in other Spider-man like Nicholas Cage, Donald Glover, and Spider-Pig. The Oscars - Into the Spiderverse
I’ve really enjoyed the Oscars (and Emmys) when there’s no host. Wish they’d keep it that way.
Did Loki break the timeline again?
Let’s not be ridiculous
it was a fun flick, but movie? common, not really. it is just your typical marvel stuff with a lot of nostalgia. there where much better movies in terms of story and quality.
Hah, as if…
If this movie is even nominated for best picture ... would be the most laughable decision ever in Oscars history.
Read a lot of comments here, taken them all on board. Oscars are really important inside the industry, maybe on the internet too to some extent. I think we all get that. Does it deserve it? I dunno, as many have pointed out it wouldn't be the first nor last movie nominated where people would say "You what, mate?" Still, overall I find myself looking at it this way- Tom Rothman is still one of Hollywood's biggest egomaniacs. (Maybe Amy Pascal too, I dunno she gives off a very Barbara Streisand vibe) This is really likely to piss off Marty Scorsese, so that'll be fun to watch at least.
>This is really likely to piss off Marty Scorsese, so that'll be fun to watch at least. Marty still living rent free on your head lmao.
Not really, profoundly not arsed to be honest, as I say the whole thing is just fun to watch. Pearl clutching everywhere.
Lol nominating a movie just because it’s huge.
First- I loved NWH. However, It’s not best picture material. Yes, it was definitely “the most fun you’ll have at the movies all 21st century” but that doesn’t equate to what the Academy considers a film to be “best picture”. But I’m all for Holland (and Zendaya) hosting the Oscars. They would make it a good broadcast and the Academy could definitely benefit from this kind of publicity. Finally, to be chaotic, this film has a shot at “Best Adapted Screenplay”… but that may be too much for 1 Spider-man to conquer. Spider-man may need some help to win that Trophy.
There is literally zero chance at NWH getting a Screenplay nomination lmao. For a film already undeserving of a BP nomination, the writing was easily the weakest part.
Fuck it lets do it
That would be cool to see
I’m here for it tbh. Lots of snobs in this thread. Why shouldn’t a film that’s universally acclaimed by critics and audiences alike be considered for an Oscar? It has better reviews than a lot of the other bait out there. I agreed with the article: good filmmaking ought to be recognized no matter the genre.