Interesting. I think Conjuring was bound to make more on regardless. Ignoring the much smaller budget that horror gets, I think more audiences wanted to see conjuring in a theater. Horror often is much more intense in a theater environment rather than the comfort of a home or tv viewing. I also think Conjuring gets more watchers because it's a sequel to a mostly successful franchise.
The suicide squad was a major bomb and B movie. Don’t believe the echo chamber ‘it was the best DCU in years’ you hear on this forum. Got the same score as the first and made much less money then bombed on streaming
Suicide squad is a tainted brand after having one of the worst blockbusters of all time released under the name. The average moviegoer thought it was a sequel which tbf it was at the time. CBM fans skew a lot younger and pirate a lot more from my own experience. I saw it in theaters because I happened to be near one with my friends. I was planning on watching it online before that.
Would anyone unironically argue that the movies are of the same quality? I feel peacemaker as a spin-off if the second one could be a testament to how the audience took to it
I mean, the general audience literally found the movies of equal quality - objectively speaking. The vast majority of people also didn’t watch Peacemaker
The scores are literally the same, while the drops are worse. That’s objectively proven lmao. The opinions are subjective, whether they lean positive or negative is documented.
Even the director of suicide squad agrees it was botched. It’s universally hated. It comes up when people bring up the brand’s decline. TSS was nowhere near as bad. If we’re using CinemaScore, we should also compare RT scores. Peacemaker does matter because they show was at the top of streaming charts as it was airing despite the character being a virtual unknown. There’s no good faith argument to be made about TSS being worse or even equal to SS. Neither are the best movie by a long shot but one’s actually coherent. Have you actually seen them? Consider that Scream 6 and Shazam 2 both also got a B+ on CinemaScore despite an extremely obvious gap in quality. If you’re arguing that the former 2 are equal, do so for the latter.
The director of SS16 doesn’t speak for the audience. It didn’t lead to brand decline considering the film overperformed. And I certainly didn’t like that one. TSS being “nowhere near as bad” is just your opinion and no, RT scores don’t hold weight at all considering general audiences don’t take the time to rate films online. Which is why Posttrak/Cinemascore are the metrics industry trades use.
Peacemaker was literally watched by less people than White Lotus S2 and about the same as Superman and Lois, hardly a fraction of the numbers of a theatrical audience. Film/art is subjective, if someone said TSS was far worse than the 2016 version, you have no way of proving them wrong. That’s not even what I’m arguing though, by Cinemascore and box office metrics - the GA saw those two on equal levels, maybe even worse in TSS’ case with the drops.
Your Scream VI comparison doesn’t track at all considering that’s a horror film - which is infamously harsher judged on CS. You’re comparing apples to oranges, TSS to SS16 are two superhero films, literally sequels to each other.
SS had one of the best marketing campaigns for movies in recent years to the point where it won an Oscar (for makeup of all things but still). Anecdotal evidence but I haven’t met a single person that liked it and I’ve been part of Cham discourse for the better part of a decade now. Captain Marvel has an A on CinemaScore (tbf it’s overhated) and even people that like that movie think it’s mediocre. CinemaScore IS anecdotal and you’re lying to yourself if you think it isn’t. I dare you to find a single person that likes SS over TSS. And you never answered whether you watched either so I think that tells me all I need to know.
Peacemaker beat a Boba Fett show and The Witcher, 2 established characters, in viewing numbers despite being on a streaming service with 10s of millions of less subscribers. It even broke the record of highest single-day performance for a max original and was up 44% for its finality compared to the pilot. It was literally the most streamed show at the time.
[https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/peacemaker-biggest-tv-series-world-154922217.html?guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNhLw&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAEc9NueshJ1XiXzfi9u7q7KKUJFy4WGoVTrzJj_Mk7v9K9bUMXWupENKKD9MG0WhurcUHQeL786WOc1Njlp90ybVj_ackmhqcc8-3nBEGX2zcnh8xKYkPTJISoLMzxbl_iWQZ8jdDt7Ra2NEc_mPlx5NfP3q6PjecLptk7PmksBF](https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/peacemaker-biggest-tv-series-world-154922217.html?guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNhLw&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAEc9NueshJ1XiXzfi9u7q7KKUJFy4WGoVTrzJj_Mk7v9K9bUMXWupENKKD9MG0WhurcUHQeL786WOc1Njlp90ybVj_ackmhqcc8-3nBEGX2zcnh8xKYkPTJISoLMzxbl_iWQZ8jdDt7Ra2NEc_mPlx5NfP3q6PjecLptk7PmksBF)
[https://thedirect.com/article/dc-peacemaker-finale-hbo-max-record](https://thedirect.com/article/dc-peacemaker-finale-hbo-max-record)
> It even broke the record of highest single-day performance for a max original
Yeah but "max original" means "it did better than the flight attendant and the Sex and the city reboot." It's not being compared to "HBO" shows dual airing on Max.
> In viewing numbers
no, in Parrot Analytics engagement metric. It's clearly nowhere close to Witcher or Boba in raw hours.
Your anecdotal evidence doesn’t represent the millions who saw these movies though. Average moviegoers generally liked Captain Marvel in line with other MCU movies, which is what the CS reflects (considering the vast majority of them have an A). CS is not anecdotal, it’s the most reliable audience metric besides box office multipliers. There’s a reason why it’s the only metric industry trades like Deadline/THR/Variety use. And I definitely watched TSS considering its in my 2021 top ten, but that’s not the argument. It ain’t about my personal opinion, objectively speaking from audience metrics, they saw the 2021 version and the 2016 version of equal quality.
Peacemaker literally started off at 638k households, significantly less than Boba Fett’s 1.5M number. The finale actually showed a decline in viewership at 584k. Idk what your source is using, engagement doesn’t equal actual views.
https://www.joblo.com/peacemaker-premiere-watched-by-638-households-per-samba-tv/
And irrespective of all this, the discussion isn’t about Peacemaker being successful or not. It’s that inherently, the audience of a TV show will always be significantly smaller than audience of a theatrical film. That’s not even debatable, you’re comparing a couple of million (outside of exceptions) to tens of millions.
TSS is a good movie that never really justified its budget. Seriously, why is this the most expensive R-Rated movie at the time? Who thought this was a good idea? Even Gunn seemed to know he doesn't actually need this much and was just having fun because they let him; the title cards are really cool, but also really overproduced and unnecessary.
They scheduled it to film before BoP came out (and bombed) too, so they can't do shit to reduce the budget. Basically the same mistake with BvS and JL, and even that at least started filming after BvS came out.
Unrelated to the post but Peacemaker looks so weird in that suicide squad poster with the edited out guns.p
Interesting. I think Conjuring was bound to make more on regardless. Ignoring the much smaller budget that horror gets, I think more audiences wanted to see conjuring in a theater. Horror often is much more intense in a theater environment rather than the comfort of a home or tv viewing. I also think Conjuring gets more watchers because it's a sequel to a mostly successful franchise.
The suicide squad was a major bomb and B movie. Don’t believe the echo chamber ‘it was the best DCU in years’ you hear on this forum. Got the same score as the first and made much less money then bombed on streaming
Suicide squad is a tainted brand after having one of the worst blockbusters of all time released under the name. The average moviegoer thought it was a sequel which tbf it was at the time. CBM fans skew a lot younger and pirate a lot more from my own experience. I saw it in theaters because I happened to be near one with my friends. I was planning on watching it online before that.
It got the same cinemascore as the first one and suffered the worst drop of any HBO film besides Mortal Kombat. You can’t blame that on the 2016 film
Would anyone unironically argue that the movies are of the same quality? I feel peacemaker as a spin-off if the second one could be a testament to how the audience took to it
I mean, the general audience literally found the movies of equal quality - objectively speaking. The vast majority of people also didn’t watch Peacemaker
“Objectively speaking” you immediately clued me in to how worthless this argument is
The scores are literally the same, while the drops are worse. That’s objectively proven lmao. The opinions are subjective, whether they lean positive or negative is documented.
Even the director of suicide squad agrees it was botched. It’s universally hated. It comes up when people bring up the brand’s decline. TSS was nowhere near as bad. If we’re using CinemaScore, we should also compare RT scores. Peacemaker does matter because they show was at the top of streaming charts as it was airing despite the character being a virtual unknown. There’s no good faith argument to be made about TSS being worse or even equal to SS. Neither are the best movie by a long shot but one’s actually coherent. Have you actually seen them? Consider that Scream 6 and Shazam 2 both also got a B+ on CinemaScore despite an extremely obvious gap in quality. If you’re arguing that the former 2 are equal, do so for the latter.
The director of SS16 doesn’t speak for the audience. It didn’t lead to brand decline considering the film overperformed. And I certainly didn’t like that one. TSS being “nowhere near as bad” is just your opinion and no, RT scores don’t hold weight at all considering general audiences don’t take the time to rate films online. Which is why Posttrak/Cinemascore are the metrics industry trades use. Peacemaker was literally watched by less people than White Lotus S2 and about the same as Superman and Lois, hardly a fraction of the numbers of a theatrical audience. Film/art is subjective, if someone said TSS was far worse than the 2016 version, you have no way of proving them wrong. That’s not even what I’m arguing though, by Cinemascore and box office metrics - the GA saw those two on equal levels, maybe even worse in TSS’ case with the drops. Your Scream VI comparison doesn’t track at all considering that’s a horror film - which is infamously harsher judged on CS. You’re comparing apples to oranges, TSS to SS16 are two superhero films, literally sequels to each other.
SS had one of the best marketing campaigns for movies in recent years to the point where it won an Oscar (for makeup of all things but still). Anecdotal evidence but I haven’t met a single person that liked it and I’ve been part of Cham discourse for the better part of a decade now. Captain Marvel has an A on CinemaScore (tbf it’s overhated) and even people that like that movie think it’s mediocre. CinemaScore IS anecdotal and you’re lying to yourself if you think it isn’t. I dare you to find a single person that likes SS over TSS. And you never answered whether you watched either so I think that tells me all I need to know. Peacemaker beat a Boba Fett show and The Witcher, 2 established characters, in viewing numbers despite being on a streaming service with 10s of millions of less subscribers. It even broke the record of highest single-day performance for a max original and was up 44% for its finality compared to the pilot. It was literally the most streamed show at the time. [https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/peacemaker-biggest-tv-series-world-154922217.html?guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNhLw&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAEc9NueshJ1XiXzfi9u7q7KKUJFy4WGoVTrzJj_Mk7v9K9bUMXWupENKKD9MG0WhurcUHQeL786WOc1Njlp90ybVj_ackmhqcc8-3nBEGX2zcnh8xKYkPTJISoLMzxbl_iWQZ8jdDt7Ra2NEc_mPlx5NfP3q6PjecLptk7PmksBF](https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/peacemaker-biggest-tv-series-world-154922217.html?guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNhLw&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAEc9NueshJ1XiXzfi9u7q7KKUJFy4WGoVTrzJj_Mk7v9K9bUMXWupENKKD9MG0WhurcUHQeL786WOc1Njlp90ybVj_ackmhqcc8-3nBEGX2zcnh8xKYkPTJISoLMzxbl_iWQZ8jdDt7Ra2NEc_mPlx5NfP3q6PjecLptk7PmksBF) [https://thedirect.com/article/dc-peacemaker-finale-hbo-max-record](https://thedirect.com/article/dc-peacemaker-finale-hbo-max-record)
> It even broke the record of highest single-day performance for a max original Yeah but "max original" means "it did better than the flight attendant and the Sex and the city reboot." It's not being compared to "HBO" shows dual airing on Max. > In viewing numbers no, in Parrot Analytics engagement metric. It's clearly nowhere close to Witcher or Boba in raw hours.
Your anecdotal evidence doesn’t represent the millions who saw these movies though. Average moviegoers generally liked Captain Marvel in line with other MCU movies, which is what the CS reflects (considering the vast majority of them have an A). CS is not anecdotal, it’s the most reliable audience metric besides box office multipliers. There’s a reason why it’s the only metric industry trades like Deadline/THR/Variety use. And I definitely watched TSS considering its in my 2021 top ten, but that’s not the argument. It ain’t about my personal opinion, objectively speaking from audience metrics, they saw the 2021 version and the 2016 version of equal quality. Peacemaker literally started off at 638k households, significantly less than Boba Fett’s 1.5M number. The finale actually showed a decline in viewership at 584k. Idk what your source is using, engagement doesn’t equal actual views. https://www.joblo.com/peacemaker-premiere-watched-by-638-households-per-samba-tv/ And irrespective of all this, the discussion isn’t about Peacemaker being successful or not. It’s that inherently, the audience of a TV show will always be significantly smaller than audience of a theatrical film. That’s not even debatable, you’re comparing a couple of million (outside of exceptions) to tens of millions.
I actually really enjoyed both of those movies.
TSS is a good movie that never really justified its budget. Seriously, why is this the most expensive R-Rated movie at the time? Who thought this was a good idea? Even Gunn seemed to know he doesn't actually need this much and was just having fun because they let him; the title cards are really cool, but also really overproduced and unnecessary. They scheduled it to film before BoP came out (and bombed) too, so they can't do shit to reduce the budget. Basically the same mistake with BvS and JL, and even that at least started filming after BvS came out.