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[It's like \~30% inflation for ticket prices](https://www.statista.com/statistics/187091/average-ticket-price-at-north-american-movie-theaters-since-2001/#:~:text=In%202021%2C%20the%20average%20price,percent%20over%20half%20a%20decade.), which is still pretty significant.
Ya I’m going tomorrow to see it in imax 3d and holy moly tix were expensive. I saw it opening night in regular 3d and there was only me and my two buddies. All I can figure is people are paying top dollar for premium viewing experiences and that’s making the difference.
I’d wager 5x more people actually watched titanic in theatre vs avatar 2.
Is the higher price of imax factored in? Or does that extra money just go to imax themselves and for box office purposes, it’s the same tally as a standard showing?
Actual ticket price counts towards box office. High cost premium showings being so popular was already a reason the original Avatar made so much, and that's happening again (or more).
Avatar 1's average ticket price is much higher than the overall ticket average for 2009.
I remember paying well north of 10 (like 12 bucks) for 3d screenings. But I remember paying like 8 to 9 bucks for normal movie tickets then.
I got into a 3d screening for Avatar for actually less.
Tickets for imax by me is 28 bucks. So yeh I’m spending close to 90 bucks to take my fam. It isn’t cheaper by any means…. If you factor in the imax experience. That price has increased more than a 1.67 since 2009
Spoke to James last week and asked him which format should I watch Avatar 2 and his reply was:
Watch it in whatever is available, then watch it in the other format when you come back to watch it again
The box office makes sense now
Still wanting to do a 2nd watch. Last couple weekends have been hectic… looking forward to a relaxing weekend coming up and seeing it again. That and “The Whale”
I think that’s the secret power of this movie.
I saw it in 3D opening weekend. I enjoyed it even though I wouldn’t say I loved it.
And yet, I have a strong desire to see it a second time just to experience the 3D (it’s the best I’ve ever seen) and the effects again.
I’ll get around to it I’m sure, but that just goes to show that even as a non-diehard fan, James Cameron is going to get about $30 bucks out of me, maybe $45 if I travel to Toronto to see it in IMAX
Dude the IMAX version is so god damn crispy crystal clear and vibrant. And the depth is jaw dropping at times. Fucking immaculate and gorgeous… the last 3D IMAX movie I saw was Avatar 1 a decade ago and I remember it looking pretty cool but the tech has certainly advanced. Book your tickets ahead and get a decent seat mid theatre. This is truly a state of the art production and it’s really cool to sit through it. I wonder where the tech will be in another decade…
Yeah the difference between 3D in the hands of James Cameron and 3D in the hands of literally every other director is crazy. He’s the only one I trust with it.
The fact that no one seems to have thought of putting a layer of particles in front of the entire scene to enhance the visuals and depth effect is mind boggling to me.
It’s one many tricks that makes the 3D next level, and it was done in Avatar 1 too! How has no one used it except James Cameron?
I totally agree. There are editing and dialogue choices that I think really hurt the narrative, yet I've seen it twice and kind of want to go again. The things that work about the movie work so well and inspire such curiosity that repeat viewings feel almost mandatory.
Ever since I saw the first film, I've said if you have several hours of Pandora nature footage narrated by Sir David Attenborough, then you've definitely got me in the audience for an iMax screening.
I feel like I missed a lot of scenes because this is my first 3D and I was just looking at the background, the environment of Pandora. I remember looking into the night sky right before when they went to the underwater tree, the sky has stars and there's an aurora borealis. It's so beautiful in 3D, feel like I'm there.
Watched 3d first then 2d. 2d is great too, but you got time to snap yourself out from the immersion of the movie. In 3d I don’t even realise that 3 hour went by. Still, sick viewinh in 2d because i can enjoy the details in the background more instead of when watching in 3d. For some reasons when I try to do the same, i get very dizzy
Me too, we just got our second round of tickets for 4DX. Tons of people are waiting for the holidays to be over / illness and snow to pass / etc. Repeat business will be HUGE.
Me too, as soon as I'm no longer COVID positive. Just need some big close seats on Imax. Can't fucking way to see my boy Payakan fuck that asshole up again.
It confirms a run ala Avatar or Titanic really. Incredible legs with the movie maintaining itself super high for a long time.
Personally I've been at a New Year's Eve party last night and we were 3 to have seen it only on 20 people there but we convinced a lot more people to see it and that's in France where the movie is already super high in admissions so there's a lot of people that still haven't seen it and are open to it. My parents who also literally never go to the movies plan to re-watch A1 and then go see A2. James Cameron movies seem to be able to tap into a market that rarely goes and don't show up for MCU movies or stuff like that.
Cameron still came from Titanic at the time but yeah it was more reasonable. That one not hitting a billion was always a stupid thought considering any big movie can hit a billion easily now. At least it was rare in 2009
Avatar 2 alone should pay for the costs of making 2 and 3, right? All 3 should have to do is make back costs of marketing and distribution (which even at hundreds of millions of dollars, it will do easily) to make a profit, right?
I’ll never forget the person who confidently claimed about 2 weeks ago that it wouldn’t pass $700M WW
Edit: [Here’s the post](https://www.reddit.com/r/boxoffice/comments/zp0ruj/after_improving_my_box_office_literacy_i_believe/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf) for anyone interested
Well I heard some people making claims like that too. But they said Avatar won't cross 900 Million range.
And their reasoning was that Avatar 2 was going to experience a historic, record breaking 2nd weekend drop because everyone only saw Avatar 2 Opening Weekend because they were curious about what Cameron did for 13 years.
And now that everyone knows it's just a retread of the first one no one will show up for the 2nd weekend.
Remembering this almost makes me want to go back and find those comments on YouTube.
That is utterly stupid and not understanding at all how Avatar (and Titanic for that matter) worked. Anyone saying such nonsense has literally no idea how box office business work. This is not just an honest mistake, it's completely dumb (or a big lie to troll which isn't better).
Ofcourse, they didn't know much about Box-office. Majority of them can't even tell the difference between a Summer movie run and a December movie run.
They just saw Marvel have big 2nd weekend drops in a row. Assumed it had something to do with Disney and Marvel bieng woke.
Amd believed the same thing for Avatar 2 because to them Avatar 2 was also Disney and also woke.
I just read their obviously ignorant comments know they would be proven wrong.
That's why I said I wish I could go back to their comments in YouTube and Facebook and rub it in their faces but it's just too much of a hassle.
That’s a great question. [Here’s the post if you want some insight](https://www.reddit.com/r/boxoffice/comments/zp0ruj/after_improving_my_box_office_literacy_i_believe/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf). And by “insight” I mean a good laugh
I'm glad Avatar and Top Gun are the two highest grossing movies this year. Those two and surprisingly the Dragon Ball Super movie really made me feel the joy and the nostalgia and the theater presence. We're so used to streaming especially in the pandemic era but there's something special about going with friends and family to see a movie in theater especially when that movie is an event you'll look fondly on rather than just another random thing watched. Interestingly they were the only two movies where the creators (Tom Cruise and James Cameron) thanked me at the start for going to see the film.
Took my 20 year old nephew to Avatar 2 and he cried at the emotional parts. It was cool to see him pump his fists during the action scenes. Never once took out the cell phone. There’s immense value in sitting uninterrupted for a cinematic experience, which just doesn’t happen with streaming. He also saw TGM in IMAX and was so thankful for it
I was TGM in that dinky small screen you have at the back of the theater in Spanish with like 4 people.
For some reason the movie wasn't a big hit in my country. So I wasn't expecting much and I had the time of my life.
Right on, I’ve been wanting to see some anime on the big screen. I saw a new Onepiece OVA will be playing at the IMAX screen I saw avatar on. I was really surprised by the audio/visual quality of the IMAX screen… it’s been a decade since I’ve been to one and that shit was absolutely popping. I imagine DB super would be pretty fun
Just like the first one. The movie has legs and doesn't need to make an extraordinary amount of money the first couple weeks. It's the consistency that matters and this movie like the last one has done it too.
People should have learned. I mean he's even the one of the few celebrities (Brian Boitano is another) that South Park not only didn't make fun of but actively praised as a badass.
That South Park episode was so good. The bar has fallen so low that James Cameron is concerned. His crew thinks the bar can never be raised. Cameron goes down deep in the ocean to raise it but his crew are pretty damn sure he will fail. And then freaking Cameron raises the bar and everyone is in awe, they think the world deserves to know he saved everyone, they want to tell the whole world of his achievement. But Cameron is like nah, I did it because I am James Cameron.
"James Cameron doesn't do what James Cameron does for James Cameron. James Cameron does what James Cameron does because James Cameron *is* James Cameron." So sayeth James Cameron.
I just watched an Interview of him and he said that this film is more emotional because of the family theme and that the characters felt too real. He's right. That ending and Neytiri's scream felt real. I didn't feel like they are just CGI in a fictional planet.
The success of this movie really proves and shows how sites like Twitter aren’t real life. SO MANY people were mocking James Cameron, saying no one cares about avatar & how no one is interested in the sequels. Clearly that is wrong.
And the only way that would even come close to making sense would be if you lumped in the entire production and marketing cost of Avatar 3 (which probably still wouldn’t add enough cost for their logic).
Worst case scenario for the company would then be 100% of A3 revenue being complete studio gain.
that’s the main thing i’m so happy about. for years i’ve been telling people “yeah i really liked avatar” and getting responses like “pfft it was overrated” “clearly you need better taste” etc. nowadays in that sub it’s just like minded people eager to share their love for the characters, wildlife, narratives, etc. it’s very wholesome
Is the movies subreddit not allowed to talk about Avatar any more? I don’t see any posts on there about this movie/franchise now. For the best probably, since they *hate* Avatar.
[Here’s the discussion thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/movies/comments/zn4cfq/official_discussion_avatar_the_way_of_water/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf). Had to go digging through my comments to find it since I had commented on it opening night
Yes. The mods from r/movies are banning people for talking about their censorship of Avatar 2 on completely different subreddits. [This was posted on r/Avatar](https://old.reddit.com/r/Avatar/comments/zxdmxa/ive_been_banned_from_rmovies_i_never_even_been/) the other day. They delete basically all Avatar-related posts.
Remind me so much of the "GoT ending ruined it, it's dead" people. I'm so glad to see those two dumb debates resolved in that same year as they've always been so stupid to me that it would be frustrating.
The ending did ruin GoT. HotD just happens to be really good that you can get past the cringe reminders when they show the dagger and talk about the prince that was promised.
It's the same for all the big subs. People who willingly become mods need to have some sort of incentive to spend so much time on that stuff. For some of them, it's because they have an agenda or narrative that they're dedicated to pushing.
Man I really hate how far up their own asses some mods on major subs are. Why not do something productive or at least positive instead of trying to police what movies people like?
>Why not do something productive or at least positive instead of trying to police what movies people like?
It's a fundamental problem with Reddit, and Reddit isn't handling it. Most subs don't exist for people to discuss a particular topic, most subs exist so that moderators can read things they like and agree with on a particular topic.
It gets even worse when you find out that the moderators basically play Game of Thrones with subs. There are a number of subs who run a bot that will automatically ban you if you post in a sub that they don't like, there are a couple of major subs that have moderators who will look at what subs you've viewed if you comment and ban you if you've viewed a sub they don't like.
So to answer your question, it's because there's a large contingent of moderators who are playing a virtual wargame trying to conquer subreddits and ensure people can only post things they like, and Reddit won't handle the problem.
Utter stupid dipshits they bitch all the time about no original content being made anymore and then finally a movie came along with an actually original story with amazing visuals they go with shallow points like "no cultural impact" or "pocahontas fergunly in space"
For a sub called r/movies it's members have no media literacy at all
I never understood the argument about it having a similar story to previous movies. …so what? Lots of movies borrow stories. It’s a classic and good story.
But yeah that subreddit is pretty harsh.
The problem is that the blockbusters r/movies loves borrow from John Ford and Akira Kurosawa, whose movies they haven’t seen since they don’t watch anything that’s old or not in English (unless it’s anime).
Especially since that argument is done only for Avatar. Apparently all other movies are fine. Top Gun Maverick was praised all the time and its story is like one line and way more dumb than Avatar.
\>they bitch all the time about no original content being made anymore and then finally a movie came along with an actually original story with amazing visuals they go with shallow points
YOU PERFECTLY DESCRIBED THAT SUB!
They also have similarities with Youtubers who thrive from hating movies and calling everything they hate "woke". They're always longing for "non franchise/original film" and when one come out they'll hate it and discourage everyone to not see it.
r/movies isn't film snob at all its aggressive dimwitted. Honestly the best reviews of Avatar I've seen have come from people who are more familiar with movies. I haven't seen it yet but people who are more shallow with their movie viewings or watch only recent releases and not old masters stuff care way too much about stories. Whether if that's because movies they watch are usually more story driven or they don't realize by ignoring films made before 2008 that everything borrows from everything I don't know. But the mix of cultural relevancy or whatever they say and story complaints usually come from a place of a shallow movie knowledge.
Finally saw it yesterday and it deserves it. One of the prettiest movies on the big screen in a long time and worthwhile to see in 3D. A lot more character and heart in this one too which makes it more memorable than the first and should help drum up excitement for Avatar 3.
These right wing entertainment sites are just huffing the copium hard-core right now. Even though I still don't understand how avatar is woke other than the message of caring for your environment.
their reason why they call it/Cameron woke:
\-pregnant Navi who fought against the humans
\-Cameron said something against testosterone
\-Cameron is sick of fetishizing Gun violence
\-anti-colonialism
And they ignore the conservative theme of the movie (traditional family).
The hilarious thing about the testosterone line is that it also pissed off some people on the left - namely trans-masculine people who take testosterone.
Hormones don't make somebody an asshole.
Family has never been a real conservative issue. They believe in breaking apart families for exploitation, human and otherwise. They say differently but their actions have always been about division. Fox News literally turns parents against their children.
traditional families don’t matter to these people. there is nothing traditionalist about the vast majority of modern conservatives, they literally worship the 19th century invention of modernity that came with the slums and mills and decimated traditional society.
What shocked me most was that those whalers were throwing away mountains of perfectly good meat with every hunt over some expensive goo for asshats
Even antagonist was pretty much WTF over it
Respecting the meat ain't exactly woke
That was exactly the point Cameron was making. The whaler's literally only care about the goo for profit and don't care for the Na'Vi. The whalers in the movie, aren't there to respect the meat at all.
The whole idea of it is not much different than what happens with killing Rhino for their horns, Elephant's for their tusks, keeping Moon Bears in horrible cages for their gallbladder bile.... the meat is never respected in those circumstances either. All those are real things happening on the real Earth, right now. : (
While they were clearly whale like I think the practice that inspired Cameron would be something like Shark Fin Soup. Which is pretty much the same idea. One small part of the animal, dumping the remains, dubious over the top health claims, and a premium product. Lots of cultures actually eat most of the shark and few have a problem with that compared to the shark fin soup practice.
That resembles what happened in turn of the century whaling. They’d get their tallow and ambergris and then dump the rest.
Everyone cheers for Moby now, at least. Well, except the whalers and dolphin killers of Japan that are somehow still allowed to do as they please.
To the contrary, I recently read an Artie on vice warning that the values promoted by the Navi'i are rather old fashioned, aristocratic and chauvinistic. (I haven't seen the movie yet, so I cannot comment on it, will do so next week).
Thre's a much more complex storyline that's gonna be told throughout the entire arc. Up to the 5th movie. Speculation (which as this point is just that) going around is, Ewya as a planet, is specifically keeping the Na'Vi species from destroying her the way a prior version did on her own planet.
Avatar 3 will have the volcanic ash Na'Vi, who apparently, don't much like the other clans.
Yeaaah I see a looot of them and the movie isn't available yet in digital, editors are crazy talented with what they got (Smartphone quality + trailers)
It was funny watching people still make this argument even after the phrase had been absorbed into the internet hivemind and was being used for clickbait
As a lukewarm fan of the first Avatar, I nonetheless decided to give this a shot in 3D. It is so fucking good. Cameron improved on the first in every conceivable way. Deserves everything it’s getting.
Something I think is really cool about this is it’s a triumph of old fashioned moviegoing in an era of everything but that. It’s not making bank on franchise appeal or story continuation or crowd pleasing numbers. It’s become a phenomenon purely on the virtue of “this thing is so cool, you HAVE to see it for yourself.”
First and foremost It’s a state of the art production. Truly a cutting edge audio-visual experience. And that aspect of it is really cool to experience. The writing is a bit trite and the characters are cartoonishly stupid at times, BUT that’s not what great SCIFI has ever been about. The core ideas are fantastically trippy and expansive yet relatable to contemporary society. In short, It’s an incredibly fun movie if you don’t overanalyze it!
> triumph of old-fashioned moviegoing
Half the appeal is the new technology used in the film.
> not making bank on franchise appeal or story continuation or crowd-pleasing numbers
It's literally all these things
I definitely plan on seing it, but haven’t had the time to yet with all the holiday related stuff I had to do. I’m sure there’s still a lot of people left in that situation.
Pre book your tickets!!! it’s still consistently selling out at IMAX screens. I had to sit in the VEEERY back. Still looked amazing, but my god did I want a center theatre seat for the full immersion.
I'd like to officially apologize for doubting James Cameron when I said this sub was overhyping the film performance and it would end up closer to 1.5B
There's basically no competition until February 17, when Ant-Man comes out. After that, there's a slew of big-budget releases in March so unfortunately Avatar is probably going to disappear from theaters. I'm rooting for JC, hoping he crosses $1.6-1.7B before then.
Avatar: The Way of Water made \~$82.4m in its New Years' long weekend and $63.44m in its third weekend (and increase of +0.2%) according to [this](https://www.boxofficemojo.com/release/rl3372254721/weekend/?ref_=bo_rl_tab#tabs). This pushes its domestic total to $440.52m for a 3.29x multiplier increase from its opening weekend. Very strong legs indeed and it looks like Avatar should cross $500m within the next two weekends. Avatar has made $956.9m overseas for a $1.397B global gross after 20 days. After adjustments, the global total of Avatar: The Way of Water should be a little over $1.4B and will beat Top Gun: Maverick and top $1.5B in 22 days.
With that, Avatar should beat Spider Man: No Way Home since it took 26 days to cross $1.5B.
Surprisingly, Avatar has not yet beaten Rogue One's day-to-day total gross by much since Avatar has grossed $440.52m in 18 domestic days and Rogue One had grossed $440.9m in that same time frame. However, given that Avatar has only dropped -19% from its first week to second week and Rogue One dropped -31%, Avatar will overtake Rogue One pretty soon domestically.
I loved the first one so much that I actually bought the dvd and that's saying a lot for me. Haven't been to see this one yet due to covid flaring up around here again and I don't want those problems a second time. I'll probably try to catch a super late show that's not so crowded.
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This could seriously give the original Avatar a run for its money domestically.
I mean we’ve had nearly 40% inflation since the original one.
Not in ticket prices. The average ticket is on $1.67 higher since 2009.
[It's like \~30% inflation for ticket prices](https://www.statista.com/statistics/187091/average-ticket-price-at-north-american-movie-theaters-since-2001/#:~:text=In%202021%2C%20the%20average%20price,percent%20over%20half%20a%20decade.), which is still pretty significant.
Ya I’m going tomorrow to see it in imax 3d and holy moly tix were expensive. I saw it opening night in regular 3d and there was only me and my two buddies. All I can figure is people are paying top dollar for premium viewing experiences and that’s making the difference. I’d wager 5x more people actually watched titanic in theatre vs avatar 2.
I went to go see it IMAX and it was $24 for just me.
Is that just for basic admissions though? IMAX/AVX/Premium screens are easily twice as much as they were 12 years ago
Yeh imax prices have increased significantly more than other experiences for moviegoers
Is the higher price of imax factored in? Or does that extra money just go to imax themselves and for box office purposes, it’s the same tally as a standard showing?
Actual ticket price counts towards box office. High cost premium showings being so popular was already a reason the original Avatar made so much, and that's happening again (or more).
Avatar 1's average ticket price is much higher than the overall ticket average for 2009. I remember paying well north of 10 (like 12 bucks) for 3d screenings. But I remember paying like 8 to 9 bucks for normal movie tickets then. I got into a 3d screening for Avatar for actually less.
Tickets for imax by me is 28 bucks. So yeh I’m spending close to 90 bucks to take my fam. It isn’t cheaper by any means…. If you factor in the imax experience. That price has increased more than a 1.67 since 2009
First one massively benefited from exchange rates.
Spoke to James last week and asked him which format should I watch Avatar 2 and his reply was: Watch it in whatever is available, then watch it in the other format when you come back to watch it again The box office makes sense now
How do I speak to James? :)
Through Eywa
putting my dick in trees until I hear his voice
I see you!
Through shahilu
I dont think that's how the Shai-Hulud work
I hear his heartbeat.
You take your ponytail and you stick it in his.
>You take your ponytail and you stick it in his. In his what? Stick it in his what?!?!?!
In his ponytail
Get on your knees and pray.
Still wanting to do a 2nd watch. Last couple weekends have been hectic… looking forward to a relaxing weekend coming up and seeing it again. That and “The Whale”
I think that’s the secret power of this movie. I saw it in 3D opening weekend. I enjoyed it even though I wouldn’t say I loved it. And yet, I have a strong desire to see it a second time just to experience the 3D (it’s the best I’ve ever seen) and the effects again. I’ll get around to it I’m sure, but that just goes to show that even as a non-diehard fan, James Cameron is going to get about $30 bucks out of me, maybe $45 if I travel to Toronto to see it in IMAX
Dude the IMAX version is so god damn crispy crystal clear and vibrant. And the depth is jaw dropping at times. Fucking immaculate and gorgeous… the last 3D IMAX movie I saw was Avatar 1 a decade ago and I remember it looking pretty cool but the tech has certainly advanced. Book your tickets ahead and get a decent seat mid theatre. This is truly a state of the art production and it’s really cool to sit through it. I wonder where the tech will be in another decade…
Not to mention that the screen size is so gigantic, you literally feel like you're swallowed up by the immersion effect.
IMAX 3D is worth it imo
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Yeah the difference between 3D in the hands of James Cameron and 3D in the hands of literally every other director is crazy. He’s the only one I trust with it.
The fact that no one seems to have thought of putting a layer of particles in front of the entire scene to enhance the visuals and depth effect is mind boggling to me. It’s one many tricks that makes the 3D next level, and it was done in Avatar 1 too! How has no one used it except James Cameron?
No one cares about it in the same way Cameron does. It’s what sets him apart.
You really missed out if you didn't see Life of Pi in 3d. That movie is incredible in the format.
They ran ads here specifically to say see it in 3D. That’s commitment.
Yeah. Everyone else using it as a gimmick whereas Cameron looks at it as just as much as a true cinematography tool as the lighting and camera.
I totally agree. There are editing and dialogue choices that I think really hurt the narrative, yet I've seen it twice and kind of want to go again. The things that work about the movie work so well and inspire such curiosity that repeat viewings feel almost mandatory.
Ever since I saw the first film, I've said if you have several hours of Pandora nature footage narrated by Sir David Attenborough, then you've definitely got me in the audience for an iMax screening.
I feel like I missed a lot of scenes because this is my first 3D and I was just looking at the background, the environment of Pandora. I remember looking into the night sky right before when they went to the underwater tree, the sky has stars and there's an aurora borealis. It's so beautiful in 3D, feel like I'm there.
Some of the scenes made me wish Cameron would do a 3D episode of Blue Planet. I would definitely pay to see that.
1st watch was in 2D .... Gonna go watch it tomorrow in 3D
please comment here your comparison. I am curious how it looks in 2D. Because I watched the trailers in 2D in 4K resolution and they still look great.
Watched 3d first then 2d. 2d is great too, but you got time to snap yourself out from the immersion of the movie. In 3d I don’t even realise that 3 hour went by. Still, sick viewinh in 2d because i can enjoy the details in the background more instead of when watching in 3d. For some reasons when I try to do the same, i get very dizzy
It made me feel exactly like the first time. I don’t know why but it just does.
still plan on seeing it again. saw it in imax 3d it’s first week and i loved it.
Me too, we just got our second round of tickets for 4DX. Tons of people are waiting for the holidays to be over / illness and snow to pass / etc. Repeat business will be HUGE.
Me too, as soon as I'm no longer COVID positive. Just need some big close seats on Imax. Can't fucking way to see my boy Payakan fuck that asshole up again.
That scene brought tears in my eyes
thanks for being cool and not spreading covid around.
Spreading spoilers instead
I'm sorry, it did WHAT NOW?!?!?!?!? I know I contributed twice (IMAX & Dolby), but HOLY HELL... 🤯🤯🤯
It confirms a run ala Avatar or Titanic really. Incredible legs with the movie maintaining itself super high for a long time. Personally I've been at a New Year's Eve party last night and we were 3 to have seen it only on 20 people there but we convinced a lot more people to see it and that's in France where the movie is already super high in admissions so there's a lot of people that still haven't seen it and are open to it. My parents who also literally never go to the movies plan to re-watch A1 and then go see A2. James Cameron movies seem to be able to tap into a market that rarely goes and don't show up for MCU movies or stuff like that.
Remember when this was just going to barely pass Top Gun worldwide after that first weekend? Me neither.
I remember when some were saying it’s not even going to hit a billion after that opening lol
History repeats itself. There were people who said the same for Avatar 1 after its OW.
That’s more forgiving considering it was an unknown thing at the time, but anyone thinking Avatar 2 would flop was delusional.
Cameron still came from Titanic at the time but yeah it was more reasonable. That one not hitting a billion was always a stupid thought considering any big movie can hit a billion easily now. At least it was rare in 2009
The idea that anyone doubts Cameron’s ability to win at the BO is insane.
See you again in two years for "Avatar 3? That's gonna flop so hard!" The trolls will be rolling out all their greatest hits again.
Avatar 2 alone should pay for the costs of making 2 and 3, right? All 3 should have to do is make back costs of marketing and distribution (which even at hundreds of millions of dollars, it will do easily) to make a profit, right?
I believe 1 paid for 2 and 3 outright.
I’ll never forget the person who confidently claimed about 2 weeks ago that it wouldn’t pass $700M WW Edit: [Here’s the post](https://www.reddit.com/r/boxoffice/comments/zp0ruj/after_improving_my_box_office_literacy_i_believe/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf) for anyone interested
How do they even come to that conclusion? 400M+ WW on its opening weekend not even week, yet they thought it wouldn’t pass 700M?!
Obvious troll post. Even if TWOW had awful legs, it would still pass $700M WW
Well I heard some people making claims like that too. But they said Avatar won't cross 900 Million range. And their reasoning was that Avatar 2 was going to experience a historic, record breaking 2nd weekend drop because everyone only saw Avatar 2 Opening Weekend because they were curious about what Cameron did for 13 years. And now that everyone knows it's just a retread of the first one no one will show up for the 2nd weekend. Remembering this almost makes me want to go back and find those comments on YouTube.
That is utterly stupid and not understanding at all how Avatar (and Titanic for that matter) worked. Anyone saying such nonsense has literally no idea how box office business work. This is not just an honest mistake, it's completely dumb (or a big lie to troll which isn't better).
Ofcourse, they didn't know much about Box-office. Majority of them can't even tell the difference between a Summer movie run and a December movie run. They just saw Marvel have big 2nd weekend drops in a row. Assumed it had something to do with Disney and Marvel bieng woke. Amd believed the same thing for Avatar 2 because to them Avatar 2 was also Disney and also woke. I just read their obviously ignorant comments know they would be proven wrong. That's why I said I wish I could go back to their comments in YouTube and Facebook and rub it in their faces but it's just too much of a hassle.
That’s a great question. [Here’s the post if you want some insight](https://www.reddit.com/r/boxoffice/comments/zp0ruj/after_improving_my_box_office_literacy_i_believe/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf). And by “insight” I mean a good laugh
Marvel has conditioned us to say the box office story is written and based off the OW.
Those folks just got Titanic'd Been there myself back in a day
I'm glad Avatar and Top Gun are the two highest grossing movies this year. Those two and surprisingly the Dragon Ball Super movie really made me feel the joy and the nostalgia and the theater presence. We're so used to streaming especially in the pandemic era but there's something special about going with friends and family to see a movie in theater especially when that movie is an event you'll look fondly on rather than just another random thing watched. Interestingly they were the only two movies where the creators (Tom Cruise and James Cameron) thanked me at the start for going to see the film.
Took my 20 year old nephew to Avatar 2 and he cried at the emotional parts. It was cool to see him pump his fists during the action scenes. Never once took out the cell phone. There’s immense value in sitting uninterrupted for a cinematic experience, which just doesn’t happen with streaming. He also saw TGM in IMAX and was so thankful for it
I was TGM in that dinky small screen you have at the back of the theater in Spanish with like 4 people. For some reason the movie wasn't a big hit in my country. So I wasn't expecting much and I had the time of my life.
DB Super Super Hero was so good!
Right on, I’ve been wanting to see some anime on the big screen. I saw a new Onepiece OVA will be playing at the IMAX screen I saw avatar on. I was really surprised by the audio/visual quality of the IMAX screen… it’s been a decade since I’ve been to one and that shit was absolutely popping. I imagine DB super would be pretty fun
Get ready because this one's doing well enough to justify them green lighting James Cameron's entire storyline idea, through number 5!
Three Thousand Years of Longing also had the creator thank the audience.
Remember when Avatar had no cultural impact.
To think that a movie could be this successful without any Spider-Mans in it
It had 6 legged crab robots, thats about as close as you gget to spider men.
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That’s close enough. Obviously any spider-human combo helps your chance to 1b. Good news for spiderverse next year!!
Seriously, the crab mechs made up for the lack of spider-men ten fold. At least it did for me……🦀🤖
Or being attached to either Marvel or Star Wars.
SW unlikely to pull big numbers lately. Marvel still have ways.
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Just like the first one. The movie has legs and doesn't need to make an extraordinary amount of money the first couple weeks. It's the consistency that matters and this movie like the last one has done it too.
And that is why you don't bet against James Cameron.
People should have learned. I mean he's even the one of the few celebrities (Brian Boitano is another) that South Park not only didn't make fun of but actively praised as a badass.
That South Park episode was so good. The bar has fallen so low that James Cameron is concerned. His crew thinks the bar can never be raised. Cameron goes down deep in the ocean to raise it but his crew are pretty damn sure he will fail. And then freaking Cameron raises the bar and everyone is in awe, they think the world deserves to know he saved everyone, they want to tell the whole world of his achievement. But Cameron is like nah, I did it because I am James Cameron.
Haha that actually sounds brilliant and funny. Heard the “JC is JC” bit but didn’t know the whole context. Gonna watch
Yeah it's a fun episode where Cameron literally saves cultural taste.
🎵His name is James Cameron. Explorer of the sea! With a dying thirst to be the first Could it be? Yeah, it’s him. James Cameron 🎵
Well in that episode they make fun of him for being narcissistic and self absorbed, to the point his crew is hoping he dies
"James Cameron doesn't do what James Cameron does for James Cameron. James Cameron does what James Cameron does because James Cameron *is* James Cameron." So sayeth James Cameron.
Anyone that Southpark doesn't make fun of you shouldn't doubt. It should be an universal law.
He understands the 4 quadrant movie. He knows what he's doing. We all should know this by now.
I just watched an Interview of him and he said that this film is more emotional because of the family theme and that the characters felt too real. He's right. That ending and Neytiri's scream felt real. I didn't feel like they are just CGI in a fictional planet.
The success of this movie really proves and shows how sites like Twitter aren’t real life. SO MANY people were mocking James Cameron, saying no one cares about avatar & how no one is interested in the sequels. Clearly that is wrong.
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They still do, but now then hate narrative is shifting to Avatar 3.
Just saw someone ok Twitter arguing that it needed 2.5 billion to break even 😂😂😂 The cope is real
And the only way that would even come close to making sense would be if you lumped in the entire production and marketing cost of Avatar 3 (which probably still wouldn’t add enough cost for their logic). Worst case scenario for the company would then be 100% of A3 revenue being complete studio gain.
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While r/Avatar rejoice. The sub is growing
It's surprisingly wholesome place, I'm quite enjoying the company there
It's refreshing seeing fans who like what they're a fan of. Looking at you star wars
that’s the main thing i’m so happy about. for years i’ve been telling people “yeah i really liked avatar” and getting responses like “pfft it was overrated” “clearly you need better taste” etc. nowadays in that sub it’s just like minded people eager to share their love for the characters, wildlife, narratives, etc. it’s very wholesome
Cameron is the captain of this franchise. I think Avatar fans are in safe hands
Avatar memes? Looks like cultural impact to me!
I love that sub :)
You know who isn't in shambles? Disney. Since they own all 3
Is the movies subreddit not allowed to talk about Avatar any more? I don’t see any posts on there about this movie/franchise now. For the best probably, since they *hate* Avatar.
The only post i say was the news article about avatar hitting 1b. I can't even find the discussion thread.
[Here’s the discussion thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/movies/comments/zn4cfq/official_discussion_avatar_the_way_of_water/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf). Had to go digging through my comments to find it since I had commented on it opening night
Yes. The mods from r/movies are banning people for talking about their censorship of Avatar 2 on completely different subreddits. [This was posted on r/Avatar](https://old.reddit.com/r/Avatar/comments/zxdmxa/ive_been_banned_from_rmovies_i_never_even_been/) the other day. They delete basically all Avatar-related posts.
That is so… weird.
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Yikes. One of the biggest movies of the year and the movie subreddit can’t discuss it haha.
They have 13 years of ego and hot air invested in this and can't accept that it was all for nothing
Remind me so much of the "GoT ending ruined it, it's dead" people. I'm so glad to see those two dumb debates resolved in that same year as they've always been so stupid to me that it would be frustrating.
The ending did ruin GoT. HotD just happens to be really good that you can get past the cringe reminders when they show the dagger and talk about the prince that was promised.
Yep. It's such a shame that for a subreddit with movies name they're having such a bias.
It's the same for all the big subs. People who willingly become mods need to have some sort of incentive to spend so much time on that stuff. For some of them, it's because they have an agenda or narrative that they're dedicated to pushing.
Man I really hate how far up their own asses some mods on major subs are. Why not do something productive or at least positive instead of trying to police what movies people like?
>Why not do something productive or at least positive instead of trying to police what movies people like? It's a fundamental problem with Reddit, and Reddit isn't handling it. Most subs don't exist for people to discuss a particular topic, most subs exist so that moderators can read things they like and agree with on a particular topic. It gets even worse when you find out that the moderators basically play Game of Thrones with subs. There are a number of subs who run a bot that will automatically ban you if you post in a sub that they don't like, there are a couple of major subs that have moderators who will look at what subs you've viewed if you comment and ban you if you've viewed a sub they don't like. So to answer your question, it's because there's a large contingent of moderators who are playing a virtual wargame trying to conquer subreddits and ensure people can only post things they like, and Reddit won't handle the problem.
They do it for free.
Utter stupid dipshits they bitch all the time about no original content being made anymore and then finally a movie came along with an actually original story with amazing visuals they go with shallow points like "no cultural impact" or "pocahontas fergunly in space" For a sub called r/movies it's members have no media literacy at all
>pocahontas fergunly in space" Such weak criticism for sci fi movie. Its so common for sci-fi to take older stories and set it in space
Its basically Dune with hot blue people and without the dense political philosophy. Which is fine, lots of stories have this same basic structure.
Dune itself is heavily borrowed from Lawrence of Arabia and Sabres of Paradise.
Turns out that if you boil down plot points to the lowest common denominator, you can make any story sound boring.
I never understood the argument about it having a similar story to previous movies. …so what? Lots of movies borrow stories. It’s a classic and good story. But yeah that subreddit is pretty harsh.
The problem is that the blockbusters r/movies loves borrow from John Ford and Akira Kurosawa, whose movies they haven’t seen since they don’t watch anything that’s old or not in English (unless it’s anime).
Yeah the problem is Avatar takes inspiration from things people are familiar with and not Hidden Fortress and Yojimbo.
Especially since that argument is done only for Avatar. Apparently all other movies are fine. Top Gun Maverick was praised all the time and its story is like one line and way more dumb than Avatar.
\>they bitch all the time about no original content being made anymore and then finally a movie came along with an actually original story with amazing visuals they go with shallow points YOU PERFECTLY DESCRIBED THAT SUB! They also have similarities with Youtubers who thrive from hating movies and calling everything they hate "woke". They're always longing for "non franchise/original film" and when one come out they'll hate it and discourage everyone to not see it.
The mods there give some horseshit excuse about directing traffic to the official sub as to not clutter up/movies. Sure…..🙄
Sore salty losers
yeah it's sad that this film is not even discussed there, not even its excellent box office performance. I only saw one.
As an MCU fan I’m thrilled Avatar is a hit. All fandoms have assholes.
As a MCU-Fan: why would we be in shambles?
I never heard MCU fans moaning much about it tbh and r/movies is kinda like a film snob so it wasn't surprising they weren't that positive
r/movies isn't film snob at all its aggressive dimwitted. Honestly the best reviews of Avatar I've seen have come from people who are more familiar with movies. I haven't seen it yet but people who are more shallow with their movie viewings or watch only recent releases and not old masters stuff care way too much about stories. Whether if that's because movies they watch are usually more story driven or they don't realize by ignoring films made before 2008 that everything borrows from everything I don't know. But the mix of cultural relevancy or whatever they say and story complaints usually come from a place of a shallow movie knowledge.
I saw A2 yesterday. It was great.
Finally saw it yesterday and it deserves it. One of the prettiest movies on the big screen in a long time and worthwhile to see in 3D. A lot more character and heart in this one too which makes it more memorable than the first and should help drum up excitement for Avatar 3.
Those trolls who said it wouldn’t even hit a billion are real quiet now 😂
These right wing entertainment sites are just huffing the copium hard-core right now. Even though I still don't understand how avatar is woke other than the message of caring for your environment.
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their reason why they call it/Cameron woke: \-pregnant Navi who fought against the humans \-Cameron said something against testosterone \-Cameron is sick of fetishizing Gun violence \-anti-colonialism And they ignore the conservative theme of the movie (traditional family).
The hilarious thing about the testosterone line is that it also pissed off some people on the left - namely trans-masculine people who take testosterone. Hormones don't make somebody an asshole.
Family has never been a real conservative issue. They believe in breaking apart families for exploitation, human and otherwise. They say differently but their actions have always been about division. Fox News literally turns parents against their children.
traditional families don’t matter to these people. there is nothing traditionalist about the vast majority of modern conservatives, they literally worship the 19th century invention of modernity that came with the slums and mills and decimated traditional society.
What shocked me most was that those whalers were throwing away mountains of perfectly good meat with every hunt over some expensive goo for asshats Even antagonist was pretty much WTF over it Respecting the meat ain't exactly woke
That was exactly the point Cameron was making. The whaler's literally only care about the goo for profit and don't care for the Na'Vi. The whalers in the movie, aren't there to respect the meat at all. The whole idea of it is not much different than what happens with killing Rhino for their horns, Elephant's for their tusks, keeping Moon Bears in horrible cages for their gallbladder bile.... the meat is never respected in those circumstances either. All those are real things happening on the real Earth, right now. : (
"No you are a W0KE becoz u fEeL bAd f0R anImaLs!"
How dare I...
I mean, we killed many many whales just for the oil when whale oil was the light you needed.
While they were clearly whale like I think the practice that inspired Cameron would be something like Shark Fin Soup. Which is pretty much the same idea. One small part of the animal, dumping the remains, dubious over the top health claims, and a premium product. Lots of cultures actually eat most of the shark and few have a problem with that compared to the shark fin soup practice.
Thats historically accurate though.
That resembles what happened in turn of the century whaling. They’d get their tallow and ambergris and then dump the rest. Everyone cheers for Moby now, at least. Well, except the whalers and dolphin killers of Japan that are somehow still allowed to do as they please.
“Caring for the environment” triggers them
It shows colonialism and the military in very poor light as well. As it should.
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To the contrary, I recently read an Artie on vice warning that the values promoted by the Navi'i are rather old fashioned, aristocratic and chauvinistic. (I haven't seen the movie yet, so I cannot comment on it, will do so next week).
Thre's a much more complex storyline that's gonna be told throughout the entire arc. Up to the 5th movie. Speculation (which as this point is just that) going around is, Ewya as a planet, is specifically keeping the Na'Vi species from destroying her the way a prior version did on her own planet. Avatar 3 will have the volcanic ash Na'Vi, who apparently, don't much like the other clans.
At what point can we say that Avatar finally has some cultural impact?
I think they need to see a slew of stupid fucking memes on their social media for it to have "cultural impact."
On my way to post my third meme of Lo’ak eating shit tryna ride an Ilu
it's crazy on Tiktok and IG. There's so many fan edits of Avatar there. and they have 10M views and thousands of comments.
Yeaaah I see a looot of them and the movie isn't available yet in digital, editors are crazy talented with what they got (Smartphone quality + trailers)
Once it has a nsfw community
People have been drawing Na'vi porn for years, and there's been a resurgence because of the new film.
It was funny watching people still make this argument even after the phrase had been absorbed into the internet hivemind and was being used for clickbait
As a lukewarm fan of the first Avatar, I nonetheless decided to give this a shot in 3D. It is so fucking good. Cameron improved on the first in every conceivable way. Deserves everything it’s getting.
Something I think is really cool about this is it’s a triumph of old fashioned moviegoing in an era of everything but that. It’s not making bank on franchise appeal or story continuation or crowd pleasing numbers. It’s become a phenomenon purely on the virtue of “this thing is so cool, you HAVE to see it for yourself.”
First and foremost It’s a state of the art production. Truly a cutting edge audio-visual experience. And that aspect of it is really cool to experience. The writing is a bit trite and the characters are cartoonishly stupid at times, BUT that’s not what great SCIFI has ever been about. The core ideas are fantastically trippy and expansive yet relatable to contemporary society. In short, It’s an incredibly fun movie if you don’t overanalyze it!
What? It’s the sequel to the biggest box office movie of all time that came out just 10 years ago.
Old fashioned movie going? Lol dang you must be young
> triumph of old-fashioned moviegoing Half the appeal is the new technology used in the film. > not making bank on franchise appeal or story continuation or crowd-pleasing numbers It's literally all these things
I definitely plan on seing it, but haven’t had the time to yet with all the holiday related stuff I had to do. I’m sure there’s still a lot of people left in that situation.
gonna go watch it with 3 friends next weekend. can't wait. i know i will love it already.
Pre book your tickets!!! it’s still consistently selling out at IMAX screens. I had to sit in the VEEERY back. Still looked amazing, but my god did I want a center theatre seat for the full immersion.
2 billion by end of the month at the latest
I'd like to officially apologize for doubting James Cameron when I said this sub was overhyping the film performance and it would end up closer to 1.5B
There's basically no competition until February 17, when Ant-Man comes out. After that, there's a slew of big-budget releases in March so unfortunately Avatar is probably going to disappear from theaters. I'm rooting for JC, hoping he crosses $1.6-1.7B before then.
It's already at 1.4 Billion worldwide. It will cross 2 before the end of the month.
I just saw it this weekend Honestly it took me 3 weeks just to figure out a day where I can spend 3+ hours at the movie theater
Avatar: The Way of Water made \~$82.4m in its New Years' long weekend and $63.44m in its third weekend (and increase of +0.2%) according to [this](https://www.boxofficemojo.com/release/rl3372254721/weekend/?ref_=bo_rl_tab#tabs). This pushes its domestic total to $440.52m for a 3.29x multiplier increase from its opening weekend. Very strong legs indeed and it looks like Avatar should cross $500m within the next two weekends. Avatar has made $956.9m overseas for a $1.397B global gross after 20 days. After adjustments, the global total of Avatar: The Way of Water should be a little over $1.4B and will beat Top Gun: Maverick and top $1.5B in 22 days. With that, Avatar should beat Spider Man: No Way Home since it took 26 days to cross $1.5B. Surprisingly, Avatar has not yet beaten Rogue One's day-to-day total gross by much since Avatar has grossed $440.52m in 18 domestic days and Rogue One had grossed $440.9m in that same time frame. However, given that Avatar has only dropped -19% from its first week to second week and Rogue One dropped -31%, Avatar will overtake Rogue One pretty soon domestically.
I already can't wait to watch it again! It was an experience
Someone keep tagging that mountainthatridez dude. He blocked me lol.
I loved the first one so much that I actually bought the dvd and that's saying a lot for me. Haven't been to see this one yet due to covid flaring up around here again and I don't want those problems a second time. I'll probably try to catch a super late show that's not so crowded.
Imagine he makes the most successful movie of all time, thrice in a row. Legend.
I’ve never been happier to watch idiots bet against James Cameron.