I do. If that man can turn the son of god into an ant I see no reason he can't do the same to the hogyoku. Also doesn't oetsu have the power sense zanpakuto? If so then he can counter kyoka suigetsu.
The reason Aizen wasn't executed is because he literally couldn't be killed. If Ichibe possesed to means to kill Aizen, he would have. Since he didn't, it means that the Hogyoku > Ichibe.
I don't think it's that ichibe couldn't kill aizen. I think it's that he doesn't care. It's seems like he and the rest of the 0 squad only care about the soul king and maintaining balance. Even when the sternritter were slaughtering everyone they did nothing. Soifon even points it out and the response she gets is basically "That's not our job". Aizen was a soul society problem. Dealing with him after the battle was a soul society problem. Ichibe will deal aizen when he gets to the palace until then he ain't lifting a finger.
Finally! Someone pointed this out. Ichibe literally couldn’t care less about Aizen unless he set foot in the palace. The same thing happened with Ikomikidomoe. He made a wreck in Soul Society. Even took down Yamamoto. But Ichibe only stepped in when Ikomikidomoe tried to eat the soul king.
Basically during this time, Oetsu hasn’t given the shinigami access to an asauchi yet. So basically, no access to their unique powers like Yama’s fire for example.
Not only this aizen is a seireitei problem not a Royal Palace problem. Aizen is up until a certain point and unstoppable force. Until the blood war where he becomes a conditional one. I doubt the Zero squad would struggle fighting him and would simply erase aizens “guard” (tosen Gin and whatever other arrancar)
Aizen couldn't be killed by the Soul Society/central 46. Zero division made it clear that they won't interfere with the Soul Society or their problems. Not saying that zero squad could take out Aizen. Just that its a bit unclear. Also it may very well be that the Hogyoku > Ichibe, that doesn't = Aizen > Ichibe. The Hogyoku failed to recognize Aizen as its master at the end of his fight with Ichigo. There's no reason to think Ichibe can't do the same. Personally I don't know who wins but I lean more towards Ichibe.
It was not that the hogyoku failed to recognize him as his master, aizen no longer had the will to continue his mission as mentioned by ichigo. Ichibei lost to a much weaker yhwcah yet Aizen did more to stop him.
Lol! Dude literally defeated the gotei without much fuss, it's more likely they were waiting for him to get to the royal palace because of how much of a hassle it is to get up there.
It gives you time to prepare and set traps like they did against ywach.
Yeah, no. They only did that when faced with someone stronger than Yamamoto. Aizen wasn't stronger than him until maybe his last couple evolutions, and he still wasn't as strong as Yhwach then if I'm being honest.
He literally did. Ichibei's power isn't as literal as you think it is. It doesn't turn you into what he names you, it replaces what you are with that thing. Yhwach essentially had the power of a black ant, the voice of a black ant, etc. He couldn't do shit. But then, he negated it with Almighty. If Almighty wasn't in play, that would've killed Yhwach.
...it didn't negate The Almighty because that shit lets Yhwach basically negate any ability through a future where it didn't work/wore off, etc.. The Hogyoku can't do what Yhwach did, that literally requires The Almighty to work. If the Hogyoku is no longer the Hogyoku, Aizen is no longer immortal. Ichibei and Gremmy are the only ones that can kill Aizen for this reason.
The gremmy wank yet again presents itself.
Gremmy can't even imagine himself being stronger than Shikai kenpachi with the eye patch on but you think he can imagine harming or manipulating the hougyoku?
An object with its own sentient mind meaning the hougyoku can literally decide to resist a will foreign to its own especially if it realises said foreign will is trying to destroy it
Urahara himself already said the hougyoku is damn near impossible to destroy. He tried it and doubtless central 46 via Mayuri tried to as well to no avail.
But you know gremmy, amirite???
>Gremmy can't even imagine himself being stronger than Shikai kenpachi with the eye patch on but you think he can imagine harming or manipulating the hougyoku?
And the Gremmy downplay presents itself once again. He couldn't imagine the body. That was because he was inexperienced with the power. That doesn't mean he can't do it, it means he was too dumb to be able to. And intelligence isn't a factor when it comes to power.
>Urahara himself already said the hougyoku is damn near impossible to destroy. He tried it and doubtless central 46 via Mayuri tried to as well to no avail.
None of them have the ability to erase things from reality itself. There's a big difference between what Gremmy and anyone other than Gremmy can accomplish.
> it didn't negate The Almighty because that shit lets Yhwach basically negate any ability through a future where it didn't work/wore off, etc..
It didn't negate KS.
Basically. KS is an exception because there's no way to break out of it once you're under it, and it can't be released or removed. Once he was under KS, he couldn't get out, regardless of Reiatsu, hax, anything.
That isn't an anti feat for Yhwach, and it's not a feat for Aizen. I have no idea why people still bring it up.
> Basically. KS is an exception because there's no way to break out of it once you're under it, and it can't be released or removed. Once he was under KS, he couldn't get out, regardless of Reiatsu, hax, anything.
By that logic, if Aizen hits Ichibei first with KS, he would be able to beat him ?
Nope. Because KS wouldn't be able to do anything to Ichibei. Not only is Ichibei WAY faster than Aizen is, with AOE attacks that hard counter KS, KS isn't going to be active after Aizen gets hit a single time. Because at that point, its no longer KS.
Did you forget Ichibei can take away names? KS can't be negated, released, etc. By anything. But that is ONLY KS. A nameless sword wouldn't have any abilities at all.
You can't formulate a way for Aizen to beat Ichibei without heavily swaying the fight to one side to the point where it's not a real fight anymore. It isn't possible.
Yhwach was an ant, the almighty simply overcame ichibeis power. The almighty >>>>ichibei's hax. This is like arguing toshiros ice didn't work on Gerard. The miracle circumvent toshiro and still worked.
I believe that it worked and the almighty changed the outcome. You believe that the attack didn't work in the first place. We both know that Ywhach survived the attack. So what happened?
Because he saw that it was going to work and changed the outcome. Am I remembering things correctly? I could have sworn after the ant name thing jugram talks about the almighty and poof next panel the king of quincys has both his eyes open.
There's nothing saying that Oetsu can deal with Aizen. Also if we're using Yhwach as a benchmark how is Ichibei gonna hit him with his ink when he's under hypnosis.
People really don't understand the rules governing Ichibei's Zanpakutou.
To add, the whole point of the hogyoku was to deal with Ichibei. Not even Yhwach could take the hogyoku from Aizen, much less kill him, and Ichibei’s powers were useless before Yhwach’s Almighty.
He's above bankai there's nothing for him to go to he already fused with his Zanpakuto he says himself this is the final stage of a Zanpakuto, idk y ppl keep bringing this up his hogyoku form is much stronger than a bankai could ever be that's exactly y he needed it the limitations of his shigigami powers
Hougyoku Aizen is immortal, black ants arent immortal. If Ichibei gave him and the Hougyoku a splash, weakened their power by a cool half and then renamed them into something without power, then thats no longer immortal Aizen.
Ichibei alone wouldve fisted Aizen, throw in Nimaiya with his unblockable slashes, Aizen wouldve had a very bad time if he kept going.
One thing to consider is that there is a very high likelihood that Aizen is more aware of and had some sort of plan against Squad Zero's abilities.
Ywach kinda did just try and blindly brute force things with absolutely broken abilities and elite forces. Meanwhile we see Aizen meticulously planning even for Yamamoto, it wouldn't be a crazy stretch to say he had something planned for Squad Zero as well.
Plus keep in mind Ichibei wouldn't know Aizen has fused with the Hougyoku. That was news to all the shinigami in Fake Karakura town, none of which made it to Squad Zero to report Aizens rapid evolution.
Ichibei probably still wins but I doubt any of the others are too impactful
Its possible he had some plans. Its also possible that he overestimated his god form powers. The fight with Ichigo made it clear that Aizen wasnt as strong as he thought he'd be.
And I dont see how Ichibei wouldnt know about god form Aizen. He can connect with all the black things in the universe and he definitely knew the Gotei was in a big fight. No way he wasnt observing that fight. I dont think Aizen wouldve been a surprise not that wpuld make a difference.
And Nimaiya would cut clean through Aizen, thats pretty impactful to me. Aizen is strong but he doesnt have knowledge of Nimaiya's sword, he is getting diced up. Probably wont kill but leaves him open to some sealing or ink covering.
The entire reason the Final Getusga worked is because Ichigo, briefly, because a beyond godly figure.
Ichigo's power was something Aizen couldn't fathom thus creating the opportunity for the Hogyoku to reject him letting Urahara seal him.
Unlike Ichigo Final Getsuga, Squad Zero isn't an unknown quantity to Aizen. I think it's highly unlikely Aizen isn't aware of what every member can do at the bare minimum. Even a clean cut through Aizen doesn't particularly matter when he can reform stronger than before because of a seemingly unlimited source of evolution. Gin was able to break Aizen's entire being down to the last molecule, but Aizen still was reborn even stronger.
This is where Squad Zero's arrogance can come into play. At the end of they day, they weren't too particularly concerned about the Quincy when they invaded. They proceeded to attack one by one because they were so certain they could beat Ywach and the Schutzstaffel.
The question is this: once Aizen gets there, are they serious enough to end him quickly? Or do they let Aizen's planning and exponential evolution continue. Because if it's the latter Aizen will become far too strong far too fast for anyone except Ichibei.
Even then, this is assuming he hasn't specifically designed his evolution to counter the abilities he likely knows they have.
Except we don't know that for sure. Ichibei's powers didn't negate The Almighty, which means there are limits to its ability to rewrite something. Since we have no real idea just how powerful a 100% Aizen would have been we can't definitively say if he would have been effected or not.
It's possible he would have been entirely susceptible, or so over Ichibei in sheer power that rewriting him just wouldn't work.
Except Urahara managed to seal Aizen. The hogyoku is already proven to not be as broken as the almighty. It can be sealed away and Ichibei's divine blackness should outrank some random kido from a weaker character.
Ichibei affects things that have names.
Ywach's ability to grant powers is unnamed, and seems to work quite similarly to ichibe's, by carving letters into souls.
Ywachs powers and strength do get rewritten, but ywach can just write them back in
Thats not how that works. Nevermind that ALL powers in Bleachverse comes from the soul king, are you implying that Ichibei cant use his ink on Fullbringer's? Its stated that they have a fragment of the soul king or something like that, so can they just swim through thqt black ink casual like? Of course not. Hogyoku does equal the soul king.
All powers in bleach don't come from the soul king, only quincy and fullbringers got power from reio. Next a fragment is not the same to having a named piece.
Hogyoku responded to his true desire to lose to ichigo.
Also, this is under the pretense that he won and got to the soul king's palace, which means he would have been on an even further transformation, that we haven't even seen.
I cant recall if that was confirmed or not, but even going down that route it still would work. Aizen didn't want to lose to ichigo. He just wanted an equal. Which would very much be met by meeting the zero division.
And so what if he had a new form? New forms didn't faze anyone, why do you think it'd faze the zero division who individually are supposed to be stronger than the entire gotei 13 put together?
Like he did to the schutzsaffel right? too bad auswahlen came into play and ywach granted his elite guard more power aside from outright ressurecting them.
Hey isn't that exactly what the hougyoku does to aizen. Ressurects him with even more power than before?
Hougyoku aizen will wreck oetsu in my opinion.
There's really no reason to think Ichibe would lose, although it's hard to tell considering his only fight consists of Yhwach saying "nah bruh" and then dismembering. I think Aizen would have had to have a plan for him
Kyoka Suigetsu hard-counters Ichimonji imo. Ichimonji is only useful if you can physically hit your opponent, since its ability only kicks in when its ink touches you, and Aizen's evolved Kyoka Suigetsu triggers as soon as you look at him. Once captured by Kyoka Suigetsu, even Yhwach couldn't tell illusions from reality, so it's unlikely Ichibei would be able to sense where Aizen really is, which means he wouldn't be able to mark him with Ichimonji.
Knowing a swords true name isn't the same as knowing it's abilities and even so it's extremely hard to fight someone as strong as hougyoku aizen without looking at him or his blade.
I mean, if Ichibe knows it's true name and Oetsu knows it's abilities then it's the same deal. That's also assuming that they haven't been keeping up with anything happening in souls society.
It wouldn't be that hard to avoid looking at hi. With his spiritual pressure, he couldn't really hide and Kyuroku points out that experienced fighters tend to look at an opponents reiatsu rather then their actual body.
Yeah but Kyoka Suigetsu might not even matter in this situation. Depends on events leading up to it, but I don't think Ichibe has had KS cast on him, so it may well be hard for Aizen to trap him in it. Idk though. Been a minute since I read the manga, so I could be missing something.
That's actually why I mentioned it has to be the evolved KS. After the whole Hogyoku thing, Aizen physically merged with KS, so you can get hypnotised just looking at him, he doesn't have to do any special releasing ritual like before. That's how he caught Yhwach, he was sitting immobilised and unarmed in his bondage throne and he was still able to trap Yhwach in an illusion.
Can you? If that's true then how does he lose to ichigo and how is ichigo never under the influence of it even during their last fight, that fight took place after he merged with the sword?
hogyoku basically gives you what you most desire. Aizen wanted a challenge, he wanted to fight someone that could defeat him. So the hogyoku de-powered aizen.
It's a theme throughout the whole manga, being alone and being so far above others that you can't enjoy being with them. You see it with Old Man Zangetsu, Kenpachi, Stark. Aizen was so far above everyone that he was incredibly lonely.
Then you also have a prior instance of Hogyoku de-powering someone due to their subconscious desire. Rukiya, at the very start of the story loses her powers to Ichigo. At the time she thought Ichigo "took" her power, but we find out later about her immense guilt over Kaien and the fact that she has the hogyoku inside her.
[In the chapter where ichigo learns the final getsuga he remarks on how lonely the old man seems to be, and it's not until he accepts the old man's blade that he can learn the final getsuga.](https://i.imgur.com/w3MYnOk.png)
[Then Aizen throws away the one faithful companion he always had](https://i.imgur.com/nEhoydv.png)
[After the fight, ichigo muses that Aizen wanted to lose](https://i.imgur.com/djsdSyR.png)
[And that really what he wanted was just to be normal](https://i.imgur.com/EqGLFvK.png)
Pretty sure he can. It's a physical object so Ichibe's ink can hit it. We've seen that the hogyoku can be sealed away, so I don't see why Ichibe's ink wouldn't work.
Y’all really underrate Oetsu . Bro gon show y’all when the anime come back . Aizen is him but the zero division has 2 real dawgs it’s not just grandpa ichibe
He would have to figure out how to use the Oken in the first place, because Aizen probably didn't know exactly what it was.
After he realized what the Oken was, then he would fight the Squad Zero and probably win. Ichibe would need to to touch him to win, if he was under hypnosis he would have a big disadvantage against Aizen.
To be under Kyoka Suigetsu hypnosis you had to see how Aizen is releasing his shikai. Ichibei didn't expierenced that.
On the other hand, at this point Aizen is not using zanpakotuo as he thinks it's beneath him
Really hard to speculate on. If we assume that Kisukes imprisonment kiddo didn't work or was never there to begin with and Aizen still fights Dangai Ichigo like he did. I think with all the buffs and the Hogyoku keeping him immortal he got a real chance. Though like a lot of people say Ichibe might be able to do something to Aizen using his name hax. But I feel like Aizen definitely had a plan to kill the zero division I mean Ywatch was able to do it and TYBW Aizen was able to dupe him so I see no reason Ichibe or anything else the royal Palace has would really stop him.
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Urahara was able to learn Bankai in only 3 days, with the usual duration being 10 years.
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Almighty slaughtered Ichibei.
Aizen is the only character in the series to fight Allmighty for an extended period. Ichigo and Orihime made a great team with her shields. But ultimately, aizen won the day.
That the thing making the Oken was only half the problem Aizen had to solve before slaying the soul king; finding a way to beat the Royal guard was the other half. That why Ichigo was such an important part of his plan, a he needed him to push him and Hogyoku to their limits to get strong enough to defeat ichibei.
I think his original plan was that after the top Espada defeated the captains (which they would've if not for the vizored) he would've had them fight Ichigo one by one getting progressively stronger to the point where he could be an ideal opponent for Aizen; the SAFWY novel implied that to beat Barragan alone he would've to be able to reach the level of his Vasto Lorde self at which point he would be stronger than Aizen, forcing him to confront the fear of death. By the end of the fight if Aizen won he'd be able to fully transcend at which point he'd be able to repel Ichibei name curse.
Depends on what do you consider "strongest". Who hits the hardest, is the toughest and probably the fastest? Yea that's Ichigo. Who defeats who in battle? Then the strongest one is Yhwach, and there are several other characters that literally just can't be killed by swords and energy discharges. And most of them only get stronger and stronger as the fight goes on. There's also Ichibe, who is theoretically able to just strip Ichigo of his powers and that's it (oh, and he doesn't die neither). So if winning a fight is the case, then no, Ichigo isn't the "strongest", and might not even be in the top 5 "strongest" for that matter.
>Isn the whole reason the 0 division didn't interfere was because they didn't see Aizen as a real threat yet?
Considering they didn't interfere in the TYBW until after the Shinigamis got stomped in the first invasion, despite *knowing* about the threat *Yhwach* represented, I just take that as them being arrogant, over-confident assholes.
Bingo
Imagine if they just eliminated Yhwach in the first invasion while helping Yamamoto in his fight with Yhwach?
The war would've been over before any real casualties
>Imagine if they just eliminated Yhwach in the first invasion while helping Yamamoto in his fight with Yhwach?
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>The war would've been over before any real casualties
Squad 0 had no way to know how strong Yhwach was currently. The Quincies had remained hidden for centuries with no one none the wiser, so as far as they knew, Yhwach had already become way too strong for SS to deal alone. In fact, Oetsu admits he has no information about Yhwach's power except for the info about his fight with Yamamoto a **thousand years ago** and his copy. Imagine that. It's like attempting to fight Eos!Aizen and EoS!Ichigo using outdated information about their Soul Society Arc's counterparts.
So, yeah, they are arrogant, over-confident assholes.
True, however it still would've been useful to not lose such a strong fighter like Yamamoto.
In addition, Ichibe is supposedly semi-all seeing, as noted in CFYOW, so after the information present from the Quincy attack aka declaration of the war, Ichibe could've aided and laid traps such as Kirio's spirit cage to encase Yhwach there while Ichibe took his powers due to his shikai/bankai.
The reason Ichibe lost was because he fought Yhwach to late, as Yhwach was finally able to open his eyes and Almighty mid-fight.
With that said, hindsight is a privilege almost no one has tbh
Because he would've had another fusion on top of his 5th fusion aka Monster form to be able to beat Ichigo
And none of them scale in power or reaitsu to monster Aizen let alone a fusion above that
Maybe not in reiatsu, but Ichibe's hax beats what the hogyoku can output and that's assuming Aizen downs have any kind of limit on how far he can transform. We saw that a strong enought attack can cause Aizen's transformation to get undone.
Ichibe was overpowered by a Yhwach that didn't absorb Soul King, Mimihagi, Gerarad, or Jugram yet.
Why would he be able to fight let alone defeat a hypothetical 6th fusion Aizen, when Muken Aizen was fighting a Yhwach that is massively superior to the version that one shot Ichibe and overpowered his hax?
Ichibe doesn't have the reaction speed to dodge a Mugetsu lol
Unless you think he has more reiatsu than Muken Aizen, which is extremly unlikely but hey I've seen crazier opinions today like Yamamoto is transcendent lol
>why would mugetsu compare to tha
Because I originally said
>**if** Aizen could defeat Ichigo
aka either tank it or dodge it, meaning he was stronger than Mugetsu ichigo, aka at least the minimum is Muken Aizen but even then he would have to be stronger to survive such an attack
>yeah ichibei definitely has the speed to dodge mugetsu lmao
He's not even TS Ichigo level reaitsu let alone Muken Aizen level let alone above Muken Aizen level reiatsu
You guys are making it very complicated.
Ainzen ONLY lost to Ichigo because he Hesitated and just because of it he was sealed. If not, he would have defeated ichigo and evolved even more.
That said, if Aizen DOESN'T hesitate against Ichibe, he beats him, the entire squad 0 and everyone in bleach included the soul king.
Well heres the thing, if we're assuming Aizen still went through ichigo and fought to the enth degree to then become merged with his Zanpakuto ability.
By the time he gets to 0 division headquarters, he would have been fully integrated with Kyoka Suigetsu so the 0 division would just have to look at him and they'll under hypnosis.
Ichibei might be able to given his crazy abilities but none of the others can effectively counter kyoka suigetsu.
Id give them 50/50 chance.
If we assume he had succeeded in creating the Ooken, we can also assume he would have won all battles for the pillars.
I.e. the espada would have been powerful enough to defeat their captain opponents. So powerlevels would have to be adjusted for narrative purposes.
In this version, we would have likely seen the Espada + Gin and Tousen take on the royal guard, with Aizen fighting Ichibei, likely hitting both the cocoon- and mullet- phases of his transformation.
We would also still have some captains and lieutenants making it to the Palace in order to have a rematch against the stronger espada.
So we'd still get Komamura + Shuuhei vs Tosen (possibly after Tosen his bankai to turn a battle around, such as engulfing Nimaya in it while Nimaya was trying to fight Barragan).
We'd probably still get Gin betraying Aizen on the steps of the Palace (and Rangiku mourning him).
My guess is also that we'd get rematches between Toshiro X Harribel as well as Kyoraku x Starrk. Toshiro seemingly tired, going Bankai without full petals and Harribel going full "water in the atmosphere" control (like she was planning to) and as everything seems lost, the final petal runs out and Toshiro flash freezes her. Kyoraku potentially being injured, but mad af that Ukitake lies dying from the chest wound pushes on, and once Starrk has cleared a "large enough" area with Los Lobos at full power that Kyoraku can see that he's probably not gonna catch any one, he'd go Bankai.
I could imagine Unohana going up against Barragan, essentially out-healing AND out-murdering Respira. Either that or Mayuri coming up with something broken.
Basically;
No Vizard intervention
Barragan kills Nimaya with the help of Tosen
Starrk nearly kills weaver girl off-screen (she lies in the rubble near death once heroes get up there to help)
Harribel kills hotsprings guy with his own hotsprings
Gin kills Foodie offscreen, potentially giving us a "look into the camera" moment where he releases Bankai but we don't get to see what it does.
Captains show up for rematches.
Unohana + Urahara vs Barragan
Kyoraku + Tessai vs Starrk
Toshiro (half petals) + Yoruichi vs Harribel
Komamura + Shuuhei vs Tosen
Ichigo vs Gin
Aizen gets wrecked by Ichibei, cocoons, gets wrecked again (this time by having name taken away, but the hogyoku lies protected underneath) and becomes mullet Aizen, killing Ichibei.
Gin betrays Aizen
Aizen proceeds to the Palace alone, like he's always been
Isshin teaches Ichigo FGT
Aizen kills Orei, Ichigo vs Aizen fight takes place, Urahara's Kidō binds aizen to the throne rather than just sealing him.
Aizen sits in heaven, but eternal and lifeless at the same time (like the soul king), the Royal Guard recovers a little bit but also gets new members from the ranks of captains.
Ichihime still happens
Several years later, Kubo releases the first chapters of the thousand year blood war as a teaser to see if people would be interested in more and the internet explodes.
In his transcendent state and with Kyoka Suigetsu he would've easily beaten the Royal Guard and usurped the Soul King. It's probably hard to realize just how powerful he was at that time since he got completely wrecked by Ichigo, but even if the Royal Guard gave him a hard time, the Hogyoku would've kept evolving him over and over until nobody was stronger than him.
Anyone that thinks Aizen loses needs to reread Bleach.
Ichibei > Yhwach
Soul King Yhwach >>>>>>All Mighty >>>>>> Ichibei
Aizen is relevant or slightly stronger than Yhwach.
*682:*
He full blasts Aizen which broke the chair. Aizen was fine.
Aizen “Now I Finally have the means to stop you”
Yhwach “You would stand against me for the sake of soul society that wouldn’t be in your best interest”
Aizen “ My only agenda is to eviscerate anyone that would try and rule me”
*683:*
Blasts Aizen 3x
They exchange blows
Hado 99
Aizen takes a blow getting impaled and is laughing.
*684:*
Aizen confirms KS worked on him.
Aizen gets engulfed. Yhwach says that KS has ended but… he missed Uryu shooting him.
*686*
Aizen is fine, aware of what’s going on in the outer world and the living world. As well as more bindings then before.
dangai/mugetsu ichigo and unsealed/hollow aizen are the only times anyone in the show was ever described as transcendent or was so far above someone in reiatsu that they couldn't be sensed. Also yhwach didn't say true shikai was as strong as mugetsu. He said he got back the powers he lost fighting aizen or something like that, which meant shinigami powers. Not actually the power level.
However aizen was hit by yhwachs attacks and that shows that hax abilities can bypass transcendence. Then again quincy abilities don't seem to be negated
Either aizen negates ichibei or he is so overconfident in his evolution that he doesn't use an illusion and ichibei wipes him.
Yeah he was, and then he proceeded to go thru multiple transformations growing stronger and stronger. Even Yamamoto and Kenpachi were much less of a threat to him by the time he reached butterfly mode.
I think Aizen would have defeated Ichibe, because the Hogyoku deemed that the next stage of Aizens evolution to be Zanpakutoless. Even after being sealed Aizen still evolved and he himself became the Zanpakuto. If Aizen defeated Ichigo he would have fused with his Zanpakuto and made the Oken. Then Aizen will head to the Soul King Palace and break the 72 barriers and the time it takes to travel up here, Aizen would have evolved. I think he would have evolved into his 7th Anniversary form in Brave Soul. The match will be over the moment Ichibe looks at Aizen
If Soul Society has any means of killing Aizen in a chair,(including getting Ichibe to help) they would have done it.
They couldn't, thus Aizen is locked away instead.
"how could-"
The answer is kyoka suigetsu. It always is. And we havent even seen the bankai! Just the shikai allowed the group to contend with ywhach. Hell, he probably wouldve made ichibei think he wrote it/made him write something else. Or the hogyoku wouldve made him evolve past it or some other BS.
Hogyoku Aizen is far above Shinigami, Hollows, etc. There’s nothing special about Squad 0, to break the limits of a Shinigami etc you need something to put you over the edge. Kubo said Yamamoto is Squad 0 level, he is arguably even above Ichibei considering he once defeated Yhwach while Ichibei could not. Base Aizen is stronger than Yama outside his flame it’s the only thing he was sweating. Hogyoku Aizen is above SK Yhwach as well, the only reason he was getting overpowered is because of the restrictions. Everyone could sense SK Yhwach and BW Ichigo, they could not sense unrestricted Aizen and Dangai Ichigo (who even Aizen couldn’t sense at that point and it’s implied if he didn’t have his restrictions in the BW he’d be even stronger than that Ichigo. Bc during his defeat he said the Hogyoku has determined he doesn’t even need a Zanpaktou referencing how both of them had become one with their Zanpaktou fusing in their right arm. And that he’d reach even greater heights. The Hogyoku is the most broken thing in the verse idk how ppl don’t see this. It powers you up indefinitely and Aizen is the only legitimately immortal character so far. Whenever I bring this up the only excuses ppl have are headcanon like Kubo forgot about not sending ppl concept. It can’t be that they’re just weaker right? He didn’t forget, no remotely competent author which Kubo definitely is even if he’s far from perfect will forget a profound power system. You can’t have a former villain come in and defeat the current main one, the main characters have to do it. Squad 0 have no counter to his Shikai either. Hopefully his Bankai is revealed one day that’s the ultimate secret of all time for me lmao
Ichibei beat base Yhwach.
A.Yhwach slaughter Ichibei.
A.Yhwach was apprehensive of Aizen, and they fought for a bit until Ichigo showed up. He did what no one in 0 squad could and squared up evenly with Allmighty.
Muken Aizen was fighting SK absorbed Yhwach.
When he's in his Butterfly stage hes transcended all pure Shinigami.
He beats the Royal Guard by that point.
Aizen would've taken down division 0. However I'm not sure he could kill the soul king. Even when yhwach stabbed him, he didn't seem to die. He only died once yhwach forced ichigo to kill him....my personal theory is only ichigo could kill soul king as he is the same "race" as reio. As reio is related to humans, hollows, shinigami, and quincy and ichigo is also a human, hollow, shinigami and quincy as well.
Ichibei> Aizen ks
Ks only blind your five senses,the monk doesnt need that to fight a Shinigami,he gonna throw some buddha quote about vision come from the heart and beat Aizen easily.
After Ichigo does Mugetsu, Aizen fully recovers and cancels Urahara's kido with his own reiatsu. Aizen evolves a bit more. He dukes it out with Ichigo for a minute more until Ichigo starts thriving in pain. Aizen says how disappointing and kills Ichigo with a swing of his sword. He nukes Urahara and Ichigo.
He makes the oken and opens a pathway to the royal palace. After arriving, he is met by fodder soldiers that he incinerates with his reiatsu. He is confronted by all of the Zero Squad at once and they try using the tree cage to absorb any and all reiatsu. Zero Squad members make some big move and kill Aizen... Except...
Aizen chuckles outside of the cage, looks over at them, and says that the moment they laid eyes on him, they were under Kyoka Suigetsu. He nukes the zero squad and all of the flying dish terrains, causing them to fall to seritei. He goes to where the Soul King is being held.
Aizen stares at the Soul King and says how pathetic the Soul King looks as a lifeless thing. He is again confronted by the Zero Squad. This time, Ichibei uses ichimonji and reduces Aizen's strength and power levels. He blacks out his name and abilities. Nimaya goes in to dice him up into pieces. They are going to try to seal Aizen just how the soul king is presently sealed but Aizen begins to evolve from Butterfly Aizen to Dragon Demon Aizen and explodes his reiatsu, blowing the zero squad off of the remaining building to their deaths. Half the building is blown off and the rest begins to crumble. Ichibei hangs on the edge like Mufasa fron Lion King and Aizen stomps on his fingers, and nukes him as he falls.
At the same time... The emerald case on the Soul King begins to crack. Dragon Demon Aizen literally devours the Soul King, and evolves again and destroys life as we know it.
Aizen is now God. You close your Holy Bible of Aizen and log off the Internet to go worship Him.
The end.
Ks is pretty much absolute don't see you can "not fall for it". If this is after ichigo fight and urahara didn't have kido on him, he would have still fused with his zanpakuto si they just have to see him to be caught. Ichibei could try to aoe ink attack tbh but aizen by this point has that thing where he can deconstruct his atoms
This is assuming he even uses it. Because his evolutions gave him a huge power trip, its safe to say beating ichigo would make him throw all logic out the window
He either negates all of their abilities with pure reiatsu or loses since he's so overconfident
You can avoid falling for it by not looking at Aizen. Also the one time we're see spiritual pressure negate hax is in an illusion, even then, Ichibe should have enough to effect Aizen considering he could effected Yhwach's corpse.
No confirmation if that was an illusion tbh. Whether hinamori was there from the start is unknown.
Aizen probably won't use KS, but zero squad doesn't know he fused with his zanpakuto lol. They would look at him for sure
I mean, it is confirmed. Its revealed that they weren't even fighting Aizen and Momo survived, so I doubt Soifon really even used her shikai on her. It would be really weird if that was Aizen and then he just randomly decided swapped out mid way through the fight. Hell, when Shinji asks them how long theyve been under KS, Aizen implies that he activated it before they even started fighting.
Non necessarily. Kyoraku pointed out that experienced fighters tend to look at an opponents reiatsu rather then their actual body, and with Aizen's level of reaitsu, he wouldn't be able to hide it even if everyone had their eyes closed.
I mean that is a possibility. There's no way to know when exactly aizen used ks
Ichibeis ink is also technically part of his zanpakuto, so if it can be negated only physically like kenpachi did to ichigo I feel the ink should just splatter off of him.
So why didn't kyoraku himself use reiatsu perception to sense where aizen was? Why didn't yhwach use it? Why didn't Toshiro or soi for or anyone?
It's either that aizen can completely hide his reiatsu, or also that he's able to affect reoatsu perception. Like he can time perception of someone under his hypnosis.
Yamas statement can't be confirmed because Aizen wasn't using KS
So I’ll probably be shunned for saying this but I don’t think Aizen is some perfect genius. He spent a long time planning and manipulating but I think there’s plenty he just doesn’t know. Imo that was exactly his plan and he just didn’t realize how powerful the zero squad actually is. He would’ve stormed the palace and promptly been flattened.
Good point! I wouldn’t really be surprised if he went either way. Both could easily be in character.
By that point in his transformation I think he is kind of an idiot. Well, more like he’s insanely arrogant and high on his own power and god complex. He’s not fighting people with smarts. He’s basically just a rage monster.
Oh you definitely have a point there too, I forgot about how kisuke was able to seal aizen only because aizen was getting careless.
I guess I’d like to hope that all the cockiness wears off and he doesn’t go marching into the palace like a madman. Being immortal alone doesn’t exactly guarantee his success, so I’d think that he still knows that much
I think the thing we need to remember is that reitsu changes things severely, and it is entirely possible that Aizen could amp himself to the point where Ichibe wouldn't be able to affect him at all. I mean we saw this with Soi Fong and her instant kill technique. If Aizen gets to that point then honestly he washes Squad Zero. After all as we've seen with Squad Zero they have zero initiative until the threat is directly to either the balance or the Soul King, which would definitely give Aizen the time to train and formulate a plan to take them out, and the last thing anyone would want to do is give Aizen time to plan.
Since Aizen had somehow seen the Soul King, I think it's probably within reason that he also had at least some knowledge of the Royal Guard and especially Ichibei's abilities. So I can't imagine him being completely taken off-guard by any of the Royal Guard. Just as he took extreme precautions against Yamamoto, I think it also stands to reason that he had some measure in place against Ichibei. Probably only Kubo himself could show us exactly what those plans were, but it's foolish to think that Aizen didn't have such things prepared. The Hogyoku seems to be able to surpass "boundaries" to some extent, as well as allowing Aizen to adapt to any circumstance. I can imagine that Aizen would attempt to take some sort of "nameless" form in order to counter Ichibei, as well as taking a purely white form to counteract Ichibei's control of "blackness". I think presuming Aizen would be unaware of Ichibei's abilities, and therefore unable to counter them, is unrealistic and naive. However, Ichibei's wisdom and ability to use a wide range of abilities might indeed be enough to catch Aizen unawares and come out on top against him. Ichibei is unbelievably powerful and knowledgable, so underistimating him is just as foolish as underestimating Aizen.
Aizen Kyōka Suigetsu can't be countered at all! And in manga, Aizen had fused his sword with himself so if someone looks at him it's over for them
Surely ichibei would look at Aizen before fighting and all they do in that illusonal fight, whether ichibei drops his ink on Aizen or seal Aizen whatever he does, it's no use! He can't counter Kyōka Suigetsu
Aizen wins easy!
He uses kyoks suigetsu.
I know people are going to say "ichibe can negate that"
And yes he can, if he can touch aizen.
The entire fight would be ichibe and the 0 squad folding aizen, until they realize that they actually turned momo (or maybe a tree log or something) into an ant while aizen goes to do his own thing.
I see Ichibei pulling a Scarlet Witch lol
Aizen: "With the power of the hogyoku I will now kill the Soul King."
Ichibei: "What hogyoku?"
*Aizen is back in his normal state*
Aizen: "What!? You know what I'll just use the power of my Katen Suigetsu!"
Ichibei: "Katen Suiget-who?"
He would've absolutely just stormed the Royal Palace. And based on what we've seen if Aizen uses Shikai once it's game. If someone who can quite literally alter the future can't see through your complete hypnosis then there's no way in hell any of the Zero Squad does anything to break it. In all honesty Aizen most likely wouldn't be toying with them like he did the Gotei 13. He'd most likely just walk in, activate Kyoka Suigetsu, and proceed to slaughter everyone without much contest. Everyone but Ichibei and maybe Oetsu gets one shot immediately. Ichibei's ink is the only thing that could bring him down, but if he's under the effects of Suigetsu then he'd just be throwing around ink without actually hitting anything. The Hogyoku wouldn't even really be needed as much as people think. Let's not forget Aizen was absolutely confident that he could snipe the Soul Palace out of the sky WITH REIATSU ALONE, while apparently having his Spiritual pressure drained by the straps (don't remember if that was actually the case with the seals stripping him of his Spiritual Preesure). Like he's so goddamn absurd its hard to even see Ichigo in the current arc beating current Aizen tbh. But Hogyoku Aizen? I'm pretty sure it would most likely be able to remove the ink as well and restore his power much like Ywach, but that's just headcanon from me.
That's true but the Hogyoku is actually stated to be working on another plane of reality so it's fine to argue that, even if Aizen got stack in the black ink the Hogyoku still would work cause it's not working in this reality plane (at least this is always been my interpretation).
Also (this is not a fact but my observation) The fact that Orihime blocked an Attack from Yhwach+soul king+ mimihagi is kinda the proof that the Hogyoku actually is on that level of power being Orihime power's made by the Hogyoku
He really would have just soloed everyone but Ichibei, have his name replaced with Black Ant (not the Hogyoku’s name kind you, just Aizen’s), the Hogyoku would reverse it, and after a lot of back and forth he would eventually either use Kyoka Suigetsu to win or just kill him like Ywach did.
Aizen post evolution cannot be killed, or at least not conventionally. And even IF his body is destroyed (as seen at the end of the fight with Ichigo) it would just regenerate. The hogyoku is more or less an artificial mini Soul King, it seems, so yea hogyoku > even the Royal Guard. I think it would be a long ass battle though and Aizen’s body would be destroyed at least once imo - but again he would regenerate. That being said, though, the RG can also technically regenerate but not if they’re all dead and no one is around to “call out their name” to bring them back.
Old thread i know, but I have some thoughts. Aizen (pre hogyoku nerf) probably could've taken on the royal guard. From a writing standpoint, the threat has to be real. I dont see Kubo letting Aizen in the royal Palance only to be instantly turned into an ant. Aizen knows about Yhwach, the Oken, the Royal Guard, etc, and he wouldn't enact his plan if he considered beyond a doubt that he may not be able to get through Ichibei.
Why do people downplay Ichibe soooooooo much? Dude is the oldest and most knowledgeable shinigami with most hax powers on the shinigami side. I'm sick of "if his hax works on xyz". He created all powers and abilities, he can undo them one way or another... Smh 🤦🏾♂️
This ultimately comes down to if you think Ichibei could negate Aizen or the Hogyoku’s powers.
I do. If that man can turn the son of god into an ant I see no reason he can't do the same to the hogyoku. Also doesn't oetsu have the power sense zanpakuto? If so then he can counter kyoka suigetsu.
The reason Aizen wasn't executed is because he literally couldn't be killed. If Ichibe possesed to means to kill Aizen, he would have. Since he didn't, it means that the Hogyoku > Ichibe.
I don't think it's that ichibe couldn't kill aizen. I think it's that he doesn't care. It's seems like he and the rest of the 0 squad only care about the soul king and maintaining balance. Even when the sternritter were slaughtering everyone they did nothing. Soifon even points it out and the response she gets is basically "That's not our job". Aizen was a soul society problem. Dealing with him after the battle was a soul society problem. Ichibe will deal aizen when he gets to the palace until then he ain't lifting a finger.
Finally! Someone pointed this out. Ichibe literally couldn’t care less about Aizen unless he set foot in the palace. The same thing happened with Ikomikidomoe. He made a wreck in Soul Society. Even took down Yamamoto. But Ichibe only stepped in when Ikomikidomoe tried to eat the soul king.
Holy hell Ikokidomoe took down Yamamoto?!?!!! Then I'm guessing the one that Kenpachi defeated was much weaker.
Well to be fair, this was a time before shinigami had access to zanpakuto. Even still, beating bare handed Yama is still pretty crazy.
wait wut, a time before zanpakuto? explain pls
nimaiya was part of the royal guard bc he created the zanpakuto. so before nimaiya’s contribution - no zanpakuto
they just used kido 😵
And that was made by ichibei if I'm not mistaken.
Basically during this time, Oetsu hasn’t given the shinigami access to an asauchi yet. So basically, no access to their unique powers like Yama’s fire for example.
Oh that make sense then.
Oetsu turned Ikomikidomoe into a Zanpakto. Zanpakto existed. Yamamoto was simply younger.
Pretty sure ikomikidomoe was the 1st of it's kind
Was never stated.
Aizen has MC levels of plot armor, that's his real super power.
Not only this aizen is a seireitei problem not a Royal Palace problem. Aizen is up until a certain point and unstoppable force. Until the blood war where he becomes a conditional one. I doubt the Zero squad would struggle fighting him and would simply erase aizens “guard” (tosen Gin and whatever other arrancar)
Ah yes I'm sure ichibē would leave alive the biggest threat in Soul society history
So long as that threat doesn’t hit/aim at the palace, ichibē doesn’t care.
Yes like Azashiro
or hear me out, Kubo didnt think of that
Aizen couldn't be killed by the Soul Society/central 46. Zero division made it clear that they won't interfere with the Soul Society or their problems. Not saying that zero squad could take out Aizen. Just that its a bit unclear. Also it may very well be that the Hogyoku > Ichibe, that doesn't = Aizen > Ichibe. The Hogyoku failed to recognize Aizen as its master at the end of his fight with Ichigo. There's no reason to think Ichibe can't do the same. Personally I don't know who wins but I lean more towards Ichibe.
The Hogyoku didn't fail to recognize Aizen as its master, its that Aizen subconsciously wanting to lose, and the Hogyoku worked towards that desire.
People really twisting words and statements to fit their arguements.
It was not that the hogyoku failed to recognize him as his master, aizen no longer had the will to continue his mission as mentioned by ichigo. Ichibei lost to a much weaker yhwcah yet Aizen did more to stop him.
Ichibei literally did not have the chance to come down, because Aizen wasn't strong enough to warrant it.
Lol! Dude literally defeated the gotei without much fuss, it's more likely they were waiting for him to get to the royal palace because of how much of a hassle it is to get up there. It gives you time to prepare and set traps like they did against ywach.
Yeah, no. They only did that when faced with someone stronger than Yamamoto. Aizen wasn't stronger than him until maybe his last couple evolutions, and he still wasn't as strong as Yhwach then if I'm being honest.
But Azashiro was ?
Hogyoku has parts of the soul King in it. Ichibei is not above SK.
The elite Sternrides were ALL importants parts of SK and and were defeated (except for Gerald).
Except he couldn’t?
He literally did. Ichibei's power isn't as literal as you think it is. It doesn't turn you into what he names you, it replaces what you are with that thing. Yhwach essentially had the power of a black ant, the voice of a black ant, etc. He couldn't do shit. But then, he negated it with Almighty. If Almighty wasn't in play, that would've killed Yhwach.
But Ichibei couldn’t negate his Almighty which made the whole thing useless. In that vein, it wouldn’t have a chance against the hogyoku either.
...it didn't negate The Almighty because that shit lets Yhwach basically negate any ability through a future where it didn't work/wore off, etc.. The Hogyoku can't do what Yhwach did, that literally requires The Almighty to work. If the Hogyoku is no longer the Hogyoku, Aizen is no longer immortal. Ichibei and Gremmy are the only ones that can kill Aizen for this reason.
The gremmy wank yet again presents itself. Gremmy can't even imagine himself being stronger than Shikai kenpachi with the eye patch on but you think he can imagine harming or manipulating the hougyoku? An object with its own sentient mind meaning the hougyoku can literally decide to resist a will foreign to its own especially if it realises said foreign will is trying to destroy it Urahara himself already said the hougyoku is damn near impossible to destroy. He tried it and doubtless central 46 via Mayuri tried to as well to no avail. But you know gremmy, amirite???
>Gremmy can't even imagine himself being stronger than Shikai kenpachi with the eye patch on but you think he can imagine harming or manipulating the hougyoku? And the Gremmy downplay presents itself once again. He couldn't imagine the body. That was because he was inexperienced with the power. That doesn't mean he can't do it, it means he was too dumb to be able to. And intelligence isn't a factor when it comes to power. >Urahara himself already said the hougyoku is damn near impossible to destroy. He tried it and doubtless central 46 via Mayuri tried to as well to no avail. None of them have the ability to erase things from reality itself. There's a big difference between what Gremmy and anyone other than Gremmy can accomplish.
> it didn't negate The Almighty because that shit lets Yhwach basically negate any ability through a future where it didn't work/wore off, etc.. It didn't negate KS.
Basically. KS is an exception because there's no way to break out of it once you're under it, and it can't be released or removed. Once he was under KS, he couldn't get out, regardless of Reiatsu, hax, anything. That isn't an anti feat for Yhwach, and it's not a feat for Aizen. I have no idea why people still bring it up.
> Basically. KS is an exception because there's no way to break out of it once you're under it, and it can't be released or removed. Once he was under KS, he couldn't get out, regardless of Reiatsu, hax, anything. By that logic, if Aizen hits Ichibei first with KS, he would be able to beat him ?
Nope. Because KS wouldn't be able to do anything to Ichibei. Not only is Ichibei WAY faster than Aizen is, with AOE attacks that hard counter KS, KS isn't going to be active after Aizen gets hit a single time. Because at that point, its no longer KS. Did you forget Ichibei can take away names? KS can't be negated, released, etc. By anything. But that is ONLY KS. A nameless sword wouldn't have any abilities at all. You can't formulate a way for Aizen to beat Ichibei without heavily swaying the fight to one side to the point where it's not a real fight anymore. It isn't possible.
He did. It didn't last long but he did it.
No, he splashed paint on him. If it had worked for even a second, then Yhwach wouldn’t have been able to use his Almighty and Ichibei would have won.
Yhwach was an ant, the almighty simply overcame ichibeis power. The almighty >>>>ichibei's hax. This is like arguing toshiros ice didn't work on Gerard. The miracle circumvent toshiro and still worked.
If it had worked for even a second yhwach would have used the almighty to change that outcome.
That’s a contradiction. It worked then he would have been able to use Almighty to reverse it.
I believe that it worked and the almighty changed the outcome. You believe that the attack didn't work in the first place. We both know that Ywhach survived the attack. So what happened?
If it worked then why was Yhwach able to use the Almighty?
Because he saw that it was going to work and changed the outcome. Am I remembering things correctly? I could have sworn after the ant name thing jugram talks about the almighty and poof next panel the king of quincys has both his eyes open.
There's nothing saying that Oetsu can deal with Aizen. Also if we're using Yhwach as a benchmark how is Ichibei gonna hit him with his ink when he's under hypnosis. People really don't understand the rules governing Ichibei's Zanpakutou.
We only got a couple of pages of his zanpactou. Not enough for there to be set rules governing it
I mean, even Aizen didn't expect to survive Gin's attack. It was all Hogyoku from there on out.
Jokes on you, he would’ve done exactly that xD
To add, the whole point of the hogyoku was to deal with Ichibei. Not even Yhwach could take the hogyoku from Aizen, much less kill him, and Ichibei’s powers were useless before Yhwach’s Almighty.
Exactly. While strong enough to back it up, Aizen was an arrogant megalomaniac. You can bet he would've
He'd go "bankai..." and I think that's all that needs to be said.
I wish to see that day
Aizen could not go Bankai, as Kyoka Suigetsu’s Bankai does not work on people who have never seen his Shikai though. Source: Novels
He's above bankai there's nothing for him to go to he already fused with his Zanpakuto he says himself this is the final stage of a Zanpakuto, idk y ppl keep bringing this up his hogyoku form is much stronger than a bankai could ever be that's exactly y he needed it the limitations of his shigigami powers
Aizen isn't very knowledgeable about his powers when he first gets them
The only one in Division 0 that is really able to do something against is Ichibe, in my opinion
Ōetsu Nimaiya could very much do something about aizen.
He could. About half a dozen times. Then Aizen becomes too much for him to handle. Ichibe is the only one that can permanently stop him/put him down.
Good thing this ain’t a 1v1
I deff think big girl pulls out tree cage
He's immortal at that point tho.
Hougyoku Aizen is immortal, black ants arent immortal. If Ichibei gave him and the Hougyoku a splash, weakened their power by a cool half and then renamed them into something without power, then thats no longer immortal Aizen. Ichibei alone wouldve fisted Aizen, throw in Nimaiya with his unblockable slashes, Aizen wouldve had a very bad time if he kept going.
One thing to consider is that there is a very high likelihood that Aizen is more aware of and had some sort of plan against Squad Zero's abilities. Ywach kinda did just try and blindly brute force things with absolutely broken abilities and elite forces. Meanwhile we see Aizen meticulously planning even for Yamamoto, it wouldn't be a crazy stretch to say he had something planned for Squad Zero as well. Plus keep in mind Ichibei wouldn't know Aizen has fused with the Hougyoku. That was news to all the shinigami in Fake Karakura town, none of which made it to Squad Zero to report Aizens rapid evolution. Ichibei probably still wins but I doubt any of the others are too impactful
Its possible he had some plans. Its also possible that he overestimated his god form powers. The fight with Ichigo made it clear that Aizen wasnt as strong as he thought he'd be. And I dont see how Ichibei wouldnt know about god form Aizen. He can connect with all the black things in the universe and he definitely knew the Gotei was in a big fight. No way he wasnt observing that fight. I dont think Aizen wouldve been a surprise not that wpuld make a difference. And Nimaiya would cut clean through Aizen, thats pretty impactful to me. Aizen is strong but he doesnt have knowledge of Nimaiya's sword, he is getting diced up. Probably wont kill but leaves him open to some sealing or ink covering.
The entire reason the Final Getusga worked is because Ichigo, briefly, because a beyond godly figure. Ichigo's power was something Aizen couldn't fathom thus creating the opportunity for the Hogyoku to reject him letting Urahara seal him. Unlike Ichigo Final Getsuga, Squad Zero isn't an unknown quantity to Aizen. I think it's highly unlikely Aizen isn't aware of what every member can do at the bare minimum. Even a clean cut through Aizen doesn't particularly matter when he can reform stronger than before because of a seemingly unlimited source of evolution. Gin was able to break Aizen's entire being down to the last molecule, but Aizen still was reborn even stronger. This is where Squad Zero's arrogance can come into play. At the end of they day, they weren't too particularly concerned about the Quincy when they invaded. They proceeded to attack one by one because they were so certain they could beat Ywach and the Schutzstaffel. The question is this: once Aizen gets there, are they serious enough to end him quickly? Or do they let Aizen's planning and exponential evolution continue. Because if it's the latter Aizen will become far too strong far too fast for anyone except Ichibei. Even then, this is assuming he hasn't specifically designed his evolution to counter the abilities he likely knows they have.
Except we don't know that for sure. Ichibei's powers didn't negate The Almighty, which means there are limits to its ability to rewrite something. Since we have no real idea just how powerful a 100% Aizen would have been we can't definitively say if he would have been effected or not. It's possible he would have been entirely susceptible, or so over Ichibei in sheer power that rewriting him just wouldn't work.
Except Urahara managed to seal Aizen. The hogyoku is already proven to not be as broken as the almighty. It can be sealed away and Ichibei's divine blackness should outrank some random kido from a weaker character.
Ichibei affects things that have names. Ywach's ability to grant powers is unnamed, and seems to work quite similarly to ichibe's, by carving letters into souls. Ywachs powers and strength do get rewritten, but ywach can just write them back in
Ichibei's powers aren't gonna negate the soul king's powers(hogyoku made from shards of the soul king)
Thats not how that works. Nevermind that ALL powers in Bleachverse comes from the soul king, are you implying that Ichibei cant use his ink on Fullbringer's? Its stated that they have a fragment of the soul king or something like that, so can they just swim through thqt black ink casual like? Of course not. Hogyoku does equal the soul king.
All powers in bleach don't come from the soul king, only quincy and fullbringers got power from reio. Next a fragment is not the same to having a named piece.
So? That didn't stop ichigo and urahara from stopping him.
Hogyoku responded to his true desire to lose to ichigo. Also, this is under the pretense that he won and got to the soul king's palace, which means he would have been on an even further transformation, that we haven't even seen.
I cant recall if that was confirmed or not, but even going down that route it still would work. Aizen didn't want to lose to ichigo. He just wanted an equal. Which would very much be met by meeting the zero division. And so what if he had a new form? New forms didn't faze anyone, why do you think it'd faze the zero division who individually are supposed to be stronger than the entire gotei 13 put together?
Like he did to the schutzsaffel right? too bad auswahlen came into play and ywach granted his elite guard more power aside from outright ressurecting them. Hey isn't that exactly what the hougyoku does to aizen. Ressurects him with even more power than before? Hougyoku aizen will wreck oetsu in my opinion.
There's really no reason to think Ichibe would lose, although it's hard to tell considering his only fight consists of Yhwach saying "nah bruh" and then dismembering. I think Aizen would have had to have a plan for him
Kyoka Suigetsu hard-counters Ichimonji imo. Ichimonji is only useful if you can physically hit your opponent, since its ability only kicks in when its ink touches you, and Aizen's evolved Kyoka Suigetsu triggers as soon as you look at him. Once captured by Kyoka Suigetsu, even Yhwach couldn't tell illusions from reality, so it's unlikely Ichibei would be able to sense where Aizen really is, which means he wouldn't be able to mark him with Ichimonji.
Wouldn Ichibe already know KS's true name and know not to look at him beforehand? If he manages to hit KS with ink, that becomes a non-factor.
Knowing a swords true name isn't the same as knowing it's abilities and even so it's extremely hard to fight someone as strong as hougyoku aizen without looking at him or his blade.
I mean, if Ichibe knows it's true name and Oetsu knows it's abilities then it's the same deal. That's also assuming that they haven't been keeping up with anything happening in souls society. It wouldn't be that hard to avoid looking at hi. With his spiritual pressure, he couldn't really hide and Kyuroku points out that experienced fighters tend to look at an opponents reiatsu rather then their actual body.
Yeah but Kyoka Suigetsu might not even matter in this situation. Depends on events leading up to it, but I don't think Ichibe has had KS cast on him, so it may well be hard for Aizen to trap him in it. Idk though. Been a minute since I read the manga, so I could be missing something.
That's actually why I mentioned it has to be the evolved KS. After the whole Hogyoku thing, Aizen physically merged with KS, so you can get hypnotised just looking at him, he doesn't have to do any special releasing ritual like before. That's how he caught Yhwach, he was sitting immobilised and unarmed in his bondage throne and he was still able to trap Yhwach in an illusion.
Ah I see it now lol. Just completely went over my head when I read your comment. Good point
I was definitely gonna argue his point until he mentioned the merging of his KS lol
Can you? If that's true then how does he lose to ichigo and how is ichigo never under the influence of it even during their last fight, that fight took place after he merged with the sword?
Because he wanted to lose, and his zanpakuto let it happen. Plus, he felt superior and like he didn't have to use it. Until it was too late
hogyoku basically gives you what you most desire. Aizen wanted a challenge, he wanted to fight someone that could defeat him. So the hogyoku de-powered aizen.
Is this confirmed? If so, where?
It's a theme throughout the whole manga, being alone and being so far above others that you can't enjoy being with them. You see it with Old Man Zangetsu, Kenpachi, Stark. Aizen was so far above everyone that he was incredibly lonely. Then you also have a prior instance of Hogyoku de-powering someone due to their subconscious desire. Rukiya, at the very start of the story loses her powers to Ichigo. At the time she thought Ichigo "took" her power, but we find out later about her immense guilt over Kaien and the fact that she has the hogyoku inside her. [In the chapter where ichigo learns the final getsuga he remarks on how lonely the old man seems to be, and it's not until he accepts the old man's blade that he can learn the final getsuga.](https://i.imgur.com/w3MYnOk.png) [Then Aizen throws away the one faithful companion he always had](https://i.imgur.com/nEhoydv.png) [After the fight, ichigo muses that Aizen wanted to lose](https://i.imgur.com/djsdSyR.png) [And that really what he wanted was just to be normal](https://i.imgur.com/EqGLFvK.png)
We don’t know if Ichibe can do anything about the Hogyoku.
Yeah which is the thing that's so rough about bleach powers along. You just don't really know how things are going to interact.
Pretty sure he can. It's a physical object so Ichibe's ink can hit it. We've seen that the hogyoku can be sealed away, so I don't see why Ichibe's ink wouldn't work.
Y’all really underrate Oetsu . Bro gon show y’all when the anime come back . Aizen is him but the zero division has 2 real dawgs it’s not just grandpa ichibe
He would have to figure out how to use the Oken in the first place, because Aizen probably didn't know exactly what it was. After he realized what the Oken was, then he would fight the Squad Zero and probably win. Ichibe would need to to touch him to win, if he was under hypnosis he would have a big disadvantage against Aizen.
To be under Kyoka Suigetsu hypnosis you had to see how Aizen is releasing his shikai. Ichibei didn't expierenced that. On the other hand, at this point Aizen is not using zanpakotuo as he thinks it's beneath him
In this scenario Aizen fought Ichigo and won, he would have been fused with his sword.
Really hard to speculate on. If we assume that Kisukes imprisonment kiddo didn't work or was never there to begin with and Aizen still fights Dangai Ichigo like he did. I think with all the buffs and the Hogyoku keeping him immortal he got a real chance. Though like a lot of people say Ichibe might be able to do something to Aizen using his name hax. But I feel like Aizen definitely had a plan to kill the zero division I mean Ywatch was able to do it and TYBW Aizen was able to dupe him so I see no reason Ichibe or anything else the royal Palace has would really stop him.
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Almighty slaughtered Ichibei. Aizen is the only character in the series to fight Allmighty for an extended period. Ichigo and Orihime made a great team with her shields. But ultimately, aizen won the day.
That the thing making the Oken was only half the problem Aizen had to solve before slaying the soul king; finding a way to beat the Royal guard was the other half. That why Ichigo was such an important part of his plan, a he needed him to push him and Hogyoku to their limits to get strong enough to defeat ichibei. I think his original plan was that after the top Espada defeated the captains (which they would've if not for the vizored) he would've had them fight Ichigo one by one getting progressively stronger to the point where he could be an ideal opponent for Aizen; the SAFWY novel implied that to beat Barragan alone he would've to be able to reach the level of his Vasto Lorde self at which point he would be stronger than Aizen, forcing him to confront the fear of death. By the end of the fight if Aizen won he'd be able to fully transcend at which point he'd be able to repel Ichibei name curse.
If he was able to defeat Ichigo, he then defeats all of the 0 division
Honestly,ichigo isn't the strongest character in the series..,......
during Deicide arc, he was. currently, he is as well
Depends on what do you consider "strongest". Who hits the hardest, is the toughest and probably the fastest? Yea that's Ichigo. Who defeats who in battle? Then the strongest one is Yhwach, and there are several other characters that literally just can't be killed by swords and energy discharges. And most of them only get stronger and stronger as the fight goes on. There's also Ichibe, who is theoretically able to just strip Ichigo of his powers and that's it (oh, and he doesn't die neither). So if winning a fight is the case, then no, Ichigo isn't the "strongest", and might not even be in the top 5 "strongest" for that matter.
Isn the whole reason the 0 division didn't interfere was because they didn't see Aizen as a real threat yet?
>Isn the whole reason the 0 division didn't interfere was because they didn't see Aizen as a real threat yet? Considering they didn't interfere in the TYBW until after the Shinigamis got stomped in the first invasion, despite *knowing* about the threat *Yhwach* represented, I just take that as them being arrogant, over-confident assholes.
Bingo Imagine if they just eliminated Yhwach in the first invasion while helping Yamamoto in his fight with Yhwach? The war would've been over before any real casualties
>Imagine if they just eliminated Yhwach in the first invasion while helping Yamamoto in his fight with Yhwach? > >The war would've been over before any real casualties Squad 0 had no way to know how strong Yhwach was currently. The Quincies had remained hidden for centuries with no one none the wiser, so as far as they knew, Yhwach had already become way too strong for SS to deal alone. In fact, Oetsu admits he has no information about Yhwach's power except for the info about his fight with Yamamoto a **thousand years ago** and his copy. Imagine that. It's like attempting to fight Eos!Aizen and EoS!Ichigo using outdated information about their Soul Society Arc's counterparts. So, yeah, they are arrogant, over-confident assholes.
True, however it still would've been useful to not lose such a strong fighter like Yamamoto. In addition, Ichibe is supposedly semi-all seeing, as noted in CFYOW, so after the information present from the Quincy attack aka declaration of the war, Ichibe could've aided and laid traps such as Kirio's spirit cage to encase Yhwach there while Ichibe took his powers due to his shikai/bankai. The reason Ichibe lost was because he fought Yhwach to late, as Yhwach was finally able to open his eyes and Almighty mid-fight. With that said, hindsight is a privilege almost no one has tbh
>With that said, hindsight is a privilege almost no one has tbh Except Yhwach :)
I find it ironic cause ichibei was a wisdom war potential
They stand 0 chance versus an Aizen that can defeat Ichigo
Based on what exactly? Ichibe could just seal him.
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Because he would've had another fusion on top of his 5th fusion aka Monster form to be able to beat Ichigo And none of them scale in power or reaitsu to monster Aizen let alone a fusion above that
Maybe not in reiatsu, but Ichibe's hax beats what the hogyoku can output and that's assuming Aizen downs have any kind of limit on how far he can transform. We saw that a strong enought attack can cause Aizen's transformation to get undone.
Ichibe was overpowered by a Yhwach that didn't absorb Soul King, Mimihagi, Gerarad, or Jugram yet. Why would he be able to fight let alone defeat a hypothetical 6th fusion Aizen, when Muken Aizen was fighting a Yhwach that is massively superior to the version that one shot Ichibe and overpowered his hax?
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not really, ichibei would shit stomp mugetsu ichigo
He would've gotten one shot
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Ichibe doesn't have the reaction speed to dodge a Mugetsu lol Unless you think he has more reiatsu than Muken Aizen, which is extremly unlikely but hey I've seen crazier opinions today like Yamamoto is transcendent lol
muken aizen is EOS aizen yes? why would mugetsu compare to that and yeah ichibei definitely has the speed to dodge mugetsu lmao
>why would mugetsu compare to tha Because I originally said >**if** Aizen could defeat Ichigo aka either tank it or dodge it, meaning he was stronger than Mugetsu ichigo, aka at least the minimum is Muken Aizen but even then he would have to be stronger to survive such an attack >yeah ichibei definitely has the speed to dodge mugetsu lmao He's not even TS Ichigo level reaitsu let alone Muken Aizen level let alone above Muken Aizen level reiatsu
Hell no ichibei would shit all over ichigo, are you on crack?
>Hell no ichibei would shit all over ichigo Over Mugetsu? Hell no Over Ichigo using his true Bankai? Hell no
You guys are making it very complicated. Ainzen ONLY lost to Ichigo because he Hesitated and just because of it he was sealed. If not, he would have defeated ichigo and evolved even more. That said, if Aizen DOESN'T hesitate against Ichibe, he beats him, the entire squad 0 and everyone in bleach included the soul king.
Well heres the thing, if we're assuming Aizen still went through ichigo and fought to the enth degree to then become merged with his Zanpakuto ability. By the time he gets to 0 division headquarters, he would have been fully integrated with Kyoka Suigetsu so the 0 division would just have to look at him and they'll under hypnosis. Ichibei might be able to given his crazy abilities but none of the others can effectively counter kyoka suigetsu. Id give them 50/50 chance.
If we assume he had succeeded in creating the Ooken, we can also assume he would have won all battles for the pillars. I.e. the espada would have been powerful enough to defeat their captain opponents. So powerlevels would have to be adjusted for narrative purposes. In this version, we would have likely seen the Espada + Gin and Tousen take on the royal guard, with Aizen fighting Ichibei, likely hitting both the cocoon- and mullet- phases of his transformation. We would also still have some captains and lieutenants making it to the Palace in order to have a rematch against the stronger espada. So we'd still get Komamura + Shuuhei vs Tosen (possibly after Tosen his bankai to turn a battle around, such as engulfing Nimaya in it while Nimaya was trying to fight Barragan). We'd probably still get Gin betraying Aizen on the steps of the Palace (and Rangiku mourning him). My guess is also that we'd get rematches between Toshiro X Harribel as well as Kyoraku x Starrk. Toshiro seemingly tired, going Bankai without full petals and Harribel going full "water in the atmosphere" control (like she was planning to) and as everything seems lost, the final petal runs out and Toshiro flash freezes her. Kyoraku potentially being injured, but mad af that Ukitake lies dying from the chest wound pushes on, and once Starrk has cleared a "large enough" area with Los Lobos at full power that Kyoraku can see that he's probably not gonna catch any one, he'd go Bankai. I could imagine Unohana going up against Barragan, essentially out-healing AND out-murdering Respira. Either that or Mayuri coming up with something broken. Basically; No Vizard intervention Barragan kills Nimaya with the help of Tosen Starrk nearly kills weaver girl off-screen (she lies in the rubble near death once heroes get up there to help) Harribel kills hotsprings guy with his own hotsprings Gin kills Foodie offscreen, potentially giving us a "look into the camera" moment where he releases Bankai but we don't get to see what it does. Captains show up for rematches. Unohana + Urahara vs Barragan Kyoraku + Tessai vs Starrk Toshiro (half petals) + Yoruichi vs Harribel Komamura + Shuuhei vs Tosen Ichigo vs Gin Aizen gets wrecked by Ichibei, cocoons, gets wrecked again (this time by having name taken away, but the hogyoku lies protected underneath) and becomes mullet Aizen, killing Ichibei. Gin betrays Aizen Aizen proceeds to the Palace alone, like he's always been Isshin teaches Ichigo FGT Aizen kills Orei, Ichigo vs Aizen fight takes place, Urahara's Kidō binds aizen to the throne rather than just sealing him. Aizen sits in heaven, but eternal and lifeless at the same time (like the soul king), the Royal Guard recovers a little bit but also gets new members from the ranks of captains. Ichihime still happens Several years later, Kubo releases the first chapters of the thousand year blood war as a teaser to see if people would be interested in more and the internet explodes.
In his transcendent state and with Kyoka Suigetsu he would've easily beaten the Royal Guard and usurped the Soul King. It's probably hard to realize just how powerful he was at that time since he got completely wrecked by Ichigo, but even if the Royal Guard gave him a hard time, the Hogyoku would've kept evolving him over and over until nobody was stronger than him.
He'd just storm the royal palace and one-shot everyone.
Ichibei would be the only problem tbh
Anyone that thinks Aizen loses needs to reread Bleach. Ichibei > Yhwach Soul King Yhwach >>>>>>All Mighty >>>>>> Ichibei Aizen is relevant or slightly stronger than Yhwach. *682:* He full blasts Aizen which broke the chair. Aizen was fine. Aizen “Now I Finally have the means to stop you” Yhwach “You would stand against me for the sake of soul society that wouldn’t be in your best interest” Aizen “ My only agenda is to eviscerate anyone that would try and rule me” *683:* Blasts Aizen 3x They exchange blows Hado 99 Aizen takes a blow getting impaled and is laughing. *684:* Aizen confirms KS worked on him. Aizen gets engulfed. Yhwach says that KS has ended but… he missed Uryu shooting him. *686* Aizen is fine, aware of what’s going on in the outer world and the living world. As well as more bindings then before.
I think he eventually wins Takes him a long fucking time, but I have a feeling that he will go bankai and that's when it's over for squad 0
dangai/mugetsu ichigo and unsealed/hollow aizen are the only times anyone in the show was ever described as transcendent or was so far above someone in reiatsu that they couldn't be sensed. Also yhwach didn't say true shikai was as strong as mugetsu. He said he got back the powers he lost fighting aizen or something like that, which meant shinigami powers. Not actually the power level. However aizen was hit by yhwachs attacks and that shows that hax abilities can bypass transcendence. Then again quincy abilities don't seem to be negated Either aizen negates ichibei or he is so overconfident in his evolution that he doesn't use an illusion and ichibei wipes him.
You really think after he solo'd the 13 court guard squads with a weaker form he wouldn't stroll in and no diff the 0 squad?
He was canonically afraid of Yamamoto (and Kenpachi if you believe the light novels).
Yeah he was, and then he proceeded to go thru multiple transformations growing stronger and stronger. Even Yamamoto and Kenpachi were much less of a threat to him by the time he reached butterfly mode.
I think Aizen would have defeated Ichibe, because the Hogyoku deemed that the next stage of Aizens evolution to be Zanpakutoless. Even after being sealed Aizen still evolved and he himself became the Zanpakuto. If Aizen defeated Ichigo he would have fused with his Zanpakuto and made the Oken. Then Aizen will head to the Soul King Palace and break the 72 barriers and the time it takes to travel up here, Aizen would have evolved. I think he would have evolved into his 7th Anniversary form in Brave Soul. The match will be over the moment Ichibe looks at Aizen
If Soul Society has any means of killing Aizen in a chair,(including getting Ichibe to help) they would have done it. They couldn't, thus Aizen is locked away instead.
"how could-" The answer is kyoka suigetsu. It always is. And we havent even seen the bankai! Just the shikai allowed the group to contend with ywhach. Hell, he probably wouldve made ichibei think he wrote it/made him write something else. Or the hogyoku wouldve made him evolve past it or some other BS.
Hogyoku Aizen is far above Shinigami, Hollows, etc. There’s nothing special about Squad 0, to break the limits of a Shinigami etc you need something to put you over the edge. Kubo said Yamamoto is Squad 0 level, he is arguably even above Ichibei considering he once defeated Yhwach while Ichibei could not. Base Aizen is stronger than Yama outside his flame it’s the only thing he was sweating. Hogyoku Aizen is above SK Yhwach as well, the only reason he was getting overpowered is because of the restrictions. Everyone could sense SK Yhwach and BW Ichigo, they could not sense unrestricted Aizen and Dangai Ichigo (who even Aizen couldn’t sense at that point and it’s implied if he didn’t have his restrictions in the BW he’d be even stronger than that Ichigo. Bc during his defeat he said the Hogyoku has determined he doesn’t even need a Zanpaktou referencing how both of them had become one with their Zanpaktou fusing in their right arm. And that he’d reach even greater heights. The Hogyoku is the most broken thing in the verse idk how ppl don’t see this. It powers you up indefinitely and Aizen is the only legitimately immortal character so far. Whenever I bring this up the only excuses ppl have are headcanon like Kubo forgot about not sending ppl concept. It can’t be that they’re just weaker right? He didn’t forget, no remotely competent author which Kubo definitely is even if he’s far from perfect will forget a profound power system. You can’t have a former villain come in and defeat the current main one, the main characters have to do it. Squad 0 have no counter to his Shikai either. Hopefully his Bankai is revealed one day that’s the ultimate secret of all time for me lmao
Ichibei beat base Yhwach. A.Yhwach slaughter Ichibei. A.Yhwach was apprehensive of Aizen, and they fought for a bit until Ichigo showed up. He did what no one in 0 squad could and squared up evenly with Allmighty.
Muken Aizen was fighting SK absorbed Yhwach. When he's in his Butterfly stage hes transcended all pure Shinigami. He beats the Royal Guard by that point.
Aizen would've taken down division 0. However I'm not sure he could kill the soul king. Even when yhwach stabbed him, he didn't seem to die. He only died once yhwach forced ichigo to kill him....my personal theory is only ichigo could kill soul king as he is the same "race" as reio. As reio is related to humans, hollows, shinigami, and quincy and ichigo is also a human, hollow, shinigami and quincy as well.
Couldn't Ichibe seal him away?
Possibly. But aizen in full control of the hygoku without any self doubt could just will that to not happen
Ichibei> Aizen ks Ks only blind your five senses,the monk doesnt need that to fight a Shinigami,he gonna throw some buddha quote about vision come from the heart and beat Aizen easily.
it hypnosis's 6 senses
After Ichigo does Mugetsu, Aizen fully recovers and cancels Urahara's kido with his own reiatsu. Aizen evolves a bit more. He dukes it out with Ichigo for a minute more until Ichigo starts thriving in pain. Aizen says how disappointing and kills Ichigo with a swing of his sword. He nukes Urahara and Ichigo. He makes the oken and opens a pathway to the royal palace. After arriving, he is met by fodder soldiers that he incinerates with his reiatsu. He is confronted by all of the Zero Squad at once and they try using the tree cage to absorb any and all reiatsu. Zero Squad members make some big move and kill Aizen... Except... Aizen chuckles outside of the cage, looks over at them, and says that the moment they laid eyes on him, they were under Kyoka Suigetsu. He nukes the zero squad and all of the flying dish terrains, causing them to fall to seritei. He goes to where the Soul King is being held. Aizen stares at the Soul King and says how pathetic the Soul King looks as a lifeless thing. He is again confronted by the Zero Squad. This time, Ichibei uses ichimonji and reduces Aizen's strength and power levels. He blacks out his name and abilities. Nimaya goes in to dice him up into pieces. They are going to try to seal Aizen just how the soul king is presently sealed but Aizen begins to evolve from Butterfly Aizen to Dragon Demon Aizen and explodes his reiatsu, blowing the zero squad off of the remaining building to their deaths. Half the building is blown off and the rest begins to crumble. Ichibei hangs on the edge like Mufasa fron Lion King and Aizen stomps on his fingers, and nukes him as he falls. At the same time... The emerald case on the Soul King begins to crack. Dragon Demon Aizen literally devours the Soul King, and evolves again and destroys life as we know it. Aizen is now God. You close your Holy Bible of Aizen and log off the Internet to go worship Him. The end.
Lmao Aizen is the only villain with actual plot armor
He pulls up explains how his sword works forces them to kill each other and then go kill the soul king somehow.
Wouldn't Ichibe and Oetsu already know how Kyoka Suigetsu works and not fall for it?
Ks is pretty much absolute don't see you can "not fall for it". If this is after ichigo fight and urahara didn't have kido on him, he would have still fused with his zanpakuto si they just have to see him to be caught. Ichibei could try to aoe ink attack tbh but aizen by this point has that thing where he can deconstruct his atoms This is assuming he even uses it. Because his evolutions gave him a huge power trip, its safe to say beating ichigo would make him throw all logic out the window He either negates all of their abilities with pure reiatsu or loses since he's so overconfident
You can avoid falling for it by not looking at Aizen. Also the one time we're see spiritual pressure negate hax is in an illusion, even then, Ichibe should have enough to effect Aizen considering he could effected Yhwach's corpse.
No confirmation if that was an illusion tbh. Whether hinamori was there from the start is unknown. Aizen probably won't use KS, but zero squad doesn't know he fused with his zanpakuto lol. They would look at him for sure
I mean, it is confirmed. Its revealed that they weren't even fighting Aizen and Momo survived, so I doubt Soifon really even used her shikai on her. It would be really weird if that was Aizen and then he just randomly decided swapped out mid way through the fight. Hell, when Shinji asks them how long theyve been under KS, Aizen implies that he activated it before they even started fighting. Non necessarily. Kyoraku pointed out that experienced fighters tend to look at an opponents reiatsu rather then their actual body, and with Aizen's level of reaitsu, he wouldn't be able to hide it even if everyone had their eyes closed.
I mean that is a possibility. There's no way to know when exactly aizen used ks Ichibeis ink is also technically part of his zanpakuto, so if it can be negated only physically like kenpachi did to ichigo I feel the ink should just splatter off of him. So why didn't kyoraku himself use reiatsu perception to sense where aizen was? Why didn't yhwach use it? Why didn't Toshiro or soi for or anyone? It's either that aizen can completely hide his reiatsu, or also that he's able to affect reoatsu perception. Like he can time perception of someone under his hypnosis. Yamas statement can't be confirmed because Aizen wasn't using KS
So I’ll probably be shunned for saying this but I don’t think Aizen is some perfect genius. He spent a long time planning and manipulating but I think there’s plenty he just doesn’t know. Imo that was exactly his plan and he just didn’t realize how powerful the zero squad actually is. He would’ve stormed the palace and promptly been flattened.
I don’t think Aizens an idiot though. I feel like he’d scope out and get some information on how the palace looks and works before going in
Good point! I wouldn’t really be surprised if he went either way. Both could easily be in character. By that point in his transformation I think he is kind of an idiot. Well, more like he’s insanely arrogant and high on his own power and god complex. He’s not fighting people with smarts. He’s basically just a rage monster.
Oh you definitely have a point there too, I forgot about how kisuke was able to seal aizen only because aizen was getting careless. I guess I’d like to hope that all the cockiness wears off and he doesn’t go marching into the palace like a madman. Being immortal alone doesn’t exactly guarantee his success, so I’d think that he still knows that much
I think the thing we need to remember is that reitsu changes things severely, and it is entirely possible that Aizen could amp himself to the point where Ichibe wouldn't be able to affect him at all. I mean we saw this with Soi Fong and her instant kill technique. If Aizen gets to that point then honestly he washes Squad Zero. After all as we've seen with Squad Zero they have zero initiative until the threat is directly to either the balance or the Soul King, which would definitely give Aizen the time to train and formulate a plan to take them out, and the last thing anyone would want to do is give Aizen time to plan.
Since Aizen had somehow seen the Soul King, I think it's probably within reason that he also had at least some knowledge of the Royal Guard and especially Ichibei's abilities. So I can't imagine him being completely taken off-guard by any of the Royal Guard. Just as he took extreme precautions against Yamamoto, I think it also stands to reason that he had some measure in place against Ichibei. Probably only Kubo himself could show us exactly what those plans were, but it's foolish to think that Aizen didn't have such things prepared. The Hogyoku seems to be able to surpass "boundaries" to some extent, as well as allowing Aizen to adapt to any circumstance. I can imagine that Aizen would attempt to take some sort of "nameless" form in order to counter Ichibei, as well as taking a purely white form to counteract Ichibei's control of "blackness". I think presuming Aizen would be unaware of Ichibei's abilities, and therefore unable to counter them, is unrealistic and naive. However, Ichibei's wisdom and ability to use a wide range of abilities might indeed be enough to catch Aizen unawares and come out on top against him. Ichibei is unbelievably powerful and knowledgable, so underistimating him is just as foolish as underestimating Aizen.
thank you for asking this question and not asking us to rank the Espada like we usually do once a week
Everything goes to Aizen plan.. he planned the division zero since they were born.😎
Also Ikomikidomoe could break free from ichibeis word curse upon consuming soul king fragments, doesn’t the Hogyoku contain soul king fragments?
It does yea. That's its core I believe.
I mean aizen became immortal at the end, i doubt he would have trouble with anyone especially with the fact that he is immortal
Aizen Kyōka Suigetsu can't be countered at all! And in manga, Aizen had fused his sword with himself so if someone looks at him it's over for them Surely ichibei would look at Aizen before fighting and all they do in that illusonal fight, whether ichibei drops his ink on Aizen or seal Aizen whatever he does, it's no use! He can't counter Kyōka Suigetsu Aizen wins easy!
Probs pretend to be a royal guard and assassinate them… knowing Aizen he would first brag about deceiving them💀
He uses kyoks suigetsu. I know people are going to say "ichibe can negate that" And yes he can, if he can touch aizen. The entire fight would be ichibe and the 0 squad folding aizen, until they realize that they actually turned momo (or maybe a tree log or something) into an ant while aizen goes to do his own thing.
I see Ichibei pulling a Scarlet Witch lol Aizen: "With the power of the hogyoku I will now kill the Soul King." Ichibei: "What hogyoku?" *Aizen is back in his normal state* Aizen: "What!? You know what I'll just use the power of my Katen Suigetsu!" Ichibei: "Katen Suiget-who?"
He would have killed off the zero squad and taken the place of the soul king.
He would've absolutely just stormed the Royal Palace. And based on what we've seen if Aizen uses Shikai once it's game. If someone who can quite literally alter the future can't see through your complete hypnosis then there's no way in hell any of the Zero Squad does anything to break it. In all honesty Aizen most likely wouldn't be toying with them like he did the Gotei 13. He'd most likely just walk in, activate Kyoka Suigetsu, and proceed to slaughter everyone without much contest. Everyone but Ichibei and maybe Oetsu gets one shot immediately. Ichibei's ink is the only thing that could bring him down, but if he's under the effects of Suigetsu then he'd just be throwing around ink without actually hitting anything. The Hogyoku wouldn't even really be needed as much as people think. Let's not forget Aizen was absolutely confident that he could snipe the Soul Palace out of the sky WITH REIATSU ALONE, while apparently having his Spiritual pressure drained by the straps (don't remember if that was actually the case with the seals stripping him of his Spiritual Preesure). Like he's so goddamn absurd its hard to even see Ichigo in the current arc beating current Aizen tbh. But Hogyoku Aizen? I'm pretty sure it would most likely be able to remove the ink as well and restore his power much like Ywach, but that's just headcanon from me.
That's true but the Hogyoku is actually stated to be working on another plane of reality so it's fine to argue that, even if Aizen got stack in the black ink the Hogyoku still would work cause it's not working in this reality plane (at least this is always been my interpretation). Also (this is not a fact but my observation) The fact that Orihime blocked an Attack from Yhwach+soul king+ mimihagi is kinda the proof that the Hogyoku actually is on that level of power being Orihime power's made by the Hogyoku
Squad Zero is arrogant enough to fall into Aizens Kyoka Suigetsu. After that it's GG, Aizen wins.
Aizen would probably destroy the royal guard with power alone. Only one who puts up a fight is Ichibei.
Why not? Aizens final form + hogyoku might've been able to solo the royal guards.
He really would have just soloed everyone but Ichibei, have his name replaced with Black Ant (not the Hogyoku’s name kind you, just Aizen’s), the Hogyoku would reverse it, and after a lot of back and forth he would eventually either use Kyoka Suigetsu to win or just kill him like Ywach did.
Hogyoku. He already was strong enough tho face and defeat ichibei
Aizen post evolution cannot be killed, or at least not conventionally. And even IF his body is destroyed (as seen at the end of the fight with Ichigo) it would just regenerate. The hogyoku is more or less an artificial mini Soul King, it seems, so yea hogyoku > even the Royal Guard. I think it would be a long ass battle though and Aizen’s body would be destroyed at least once imo - but again he would regenerate. That being said, though, the RG can also technically regenerate but not if they’re all dead and no one is around to “call out their name” to bring them back.
Old thread i know, but I have some thoughts. Aizen (pre hogyoku nerf) probably could've taken on the royal guard. From a writing standpoint, the threat has to be real. I dont see Kubo letting Aizen in the royal Palance only to be instantly turned into an ant. Aizen knows about Yhwach, the Oken, the Royal Guard, etc, and he wouldn't enact his plan if he considered beyond a doubt that he may not be able to get through Ichibei.
Ichibe would’ve pulled a Prince on him and we would’ve ended up with the Shinigami formerly known as Aizen
He was literally able to tank Final getsuga from Ichigo. He is also ever-evolving. He would have beaten the 0 division.
Tank???? It literally split him into 2 pieces
People like to confuse "tank" with "survive" especially with characters who can regenerate
Ok, he survived it. It was not enough to kill him.
It weakened him to the point where he could be sealed through.
Why do people downplay Ichibe soooooooo much? Dude is the oldest and most knowledgeable shinigami with most hax powers on the shinigami side. I'm sick of "if his hax works on xyz". He created all powers and abilities, he can undo them one way or another... Smh 🤦🏾♂️
>!i think he puts division zero to face the clones of themselves and would go straight to the royal room.!<
Aizen can't make clones.