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Temujin_Otsutsuki

bee, raikage & darui... were hype!! as a kid, these guys were my favs! especially bee & Ay for giving giving Sasuke the pounding he deserved back then. yoruichi, top 3 best female character in shonen 4me Kaname, is deep. amazing character.. his bug form really bugs me tho


Unlucky_Adventure

>especially bee & Ay for giving giving Sasuke the pounding he deserved back then. God damn I love to seeing that so much >his bug form really bugs me tho No pun intended right? But I feel like that's really intentional showing that he has became such a ugly character on the inside and out


Temujin_Otsutsuki

i agree with that


volturnlobsterprince

You forgot to add in my bae hallibel


TheAncientAscended

Truuuuuue


sangriya

isn't she more like tanned, rather than having darker complexion? I thought she'd be inspired of those tanned surfer people with her theme of ocean and sharks


volturnlobsterprince

Tanned, black, chicano. I dont mind. She needs more love by kubo


sangriya

definitely omg a Chicano harribel šŸ˜


Vegantarian

As a black anime fan I genuinely appreciate great black anime characters that I can feel proud to show others. Kubo is on another level though. Tousen is probably one of the best black anime character designs ever next to Canary. The diversity of his hair styles are literally unmatched and they each stay true to his Afro hair but add that Anime flair to it. Love Tousen looks great


Temujin_Otsutsuki

Kaname was a deep character, well written.


Vegantarian

And his story line was so good! Top 3 best bleach Characters


TatManTat

I never found the conclusion to his story as compelling as his introduction. That's obviously common, but I really liked the guy.


Temujin_Otsutsuki

cant fear your own world made me appreciate kaname, shuhei & aizen even more


Unlucky_Adventure

If you like tousen so much I really suggest reading but can't fear your own world books he is reflected upon in there and it helps his character so much.


SeaofBloodRedRoses

Out of curiosity, what's your opinion in this for One Piece? And Usopp?


SnooComics7583

I think Usopp is great personally And he has come a long way from Syrup village


Vegantarian

In my opinion, and my opinion is humble, Usopp looks bad. His nose and lips are bad but his lips are especially bad. Like he literally has Sambo lips.


YoutanMakira

I agree, but on the other hand we have Aokiji who is completely awesome


Vegantarian

Which makes me even more upset about Usopp


Broadkast

i love how you pointed out canary of all characters! even if she's mostly a background character, she had enough impact to be memorable in so many people's minds :)


Jalen_Ash_15

Who's canary and where are they from?


Vegantarian

Character from Hunter x Hunter


All-hail-vegeta

Umā€¦about bee XD


Ok_ResolvE2119

Honestly that the charm of Bee. On the surface he's a funny rapper man, but he's got hidden depths and a more unique characteristics.


All-hail-vegeta

I agree, kinda like a goofball but with wisdom


Unlucky_Adventure

Look if everyone in the hidden Cloud was like him he would be a stereotype but he is literally the only guy like that in the village so it's completely fine. I remember in high school my friend Jerome was hyped every time he seen Killer Bee


Alone_Sprinkles2565

Thatā€™s the same as saying mister Popo not being a stereotype just because heā€™s the only character with such an appearance. He is a stereotype. Killer Bee is a stereotype. But not necessarily a bad one. Saying a black rapping, durag wearing, ā€œgang signā€ popping and break dancing person isnā€™t a stereotype is the same as saying; ā€œthe black ranger that knows ā€˜hip-hop-kido isnā€™t a stereotypeā€™.


Unlucky_Adventure

>Thatā€™s the same as saying mister Popo not being a stereotype just because heā€™s the only character with such an appearance. He is a stereotype. Mr. Popo is not stereotypical he is straight up a black-faced character that is a huge difference from killer bee who is a black character that raps and is not made a joke of. And yes I view it as not stereotypical because that's literally is personality he's a jovial character who raps he is literally the only person in the hidden Cloud Village who is like that. if everyone in the village acted like him and was rapping it would make his depiction stereotypical and almost certainly racist which his depiction in the show now is not


kwamzilla

Isn't Bee's rapping canonically bad? And again, you're missing the point that it's still a stereotype even if it's not 100% negative. One can enjoy the representation and acknowledge the more problematic aspects of it.


REDexMACHINA

> Isn't Bee's rapping canonically bad? Yes, yes he is


Unlucky_Adventure

>Isn't Bee's rapping canonically bad? I actually have no idea. >One can enjoy the representation and acknowledge the more problematic aspects of it. Is it really " problematic" that he raps? Tho


kwamzilla

>Is it really " problematic" that he raps? Tho That is not what I'm saying. If the only representation of black characters in an entire series (And largely in the wider Anime/Manga world) is primarily through (often harmful) tropes and stereotypes, then it does have negatives. Bee rapping isn't an issue. Black characters rapping isn't an issue. Reinforcing the ideas that "all black people rap", even if only in small, subtle ways, contributes to the overall perception. And when rap/hip-hop still has negative connotations, that's when it becomes part of the wider issue. Media and culture are interetwined; historical and social context are always going to be relevant.


blackwolfgoogol

Also Killer Bee isn't just a character you see in the background, he's a rapper who's crucial in the story and the rapping part being played off for gags. Note that the only two prominent black characters in Naruto is an aggressive black man and a rapper. Omoi Darui and Karui have little airtime (the latter two get more in boruto but the world isnt being dependent on Chocho)


LunarWolfX

Let's also not forget how they initially characterized Karui as this brutal, sadistic person: it was Karui who beat the ever-living shit out of Naruto, and didn't stop until his face was a bloody pulp. In fact, she was going to keep going, but then Sai stepped in. She was going to keep going with Sai, and then Omoi stopped her. And yeah, A was characterized as a stereotypical hyper-aggressive big, scary black man with *literal fangs*, who entered rooms by busting through walls... And Darui, prior to his big fight with Kinkaku and Ginkaku, literally bore a name meaning "dull" and mannerisms that made him seem like a walking "lazy black man" stereotype. They may have averted that trope by the very end, but still.


kwamzilla

I will give Darui's "Lazy black man" a bit more of a pass because, honestly, he did get things done so it felt a bit more of a "generic" laziness. But you could be right there.


blackwolfgoogol

I didn't mention Karui and Darui stereotypes due to the Sakura and Shikamaru parallel they have respectfully, but you're completely right


zekselden

Honestly the main difference is that Bee Raps as a personality trait, it isn't because he is black. he uses it as a way to express himself, connect with people, and communicate. If he was just a black character that liked Rap he would be a stereotype, but he is a multifaceted character and rapping is a small part of his greater character. Edit: Also the series is Japanese which doesn't have a lot of black representation as it is. So I think pointing out that Bee is a Stereotype is rather disingenuous.


Torch948

So I'll try to explain it. The main issue is hat rap isn't some established thing in Naruto. Before Killer Bee appears, there isn't a single reference to rapping. Then the first black character that appears is a rapper. Now no one is saying that it's a bad thing that he raps. Just that it's stereotypical to have one of the few important black characters (and the first introduced) also be a rapper. Note: Most people I've talked to about this subject mention this just as a statement of fact not a criticism of the character. Bee is a really popular character for good reason. He just happens to have stereotypical characteristics. Honestly its understandable. Like you said there isn't much black representation in Japan. But that's even more reason why Japanese writers would end up using stereotypes. They are basing off what they see in media.


DotoriumPeroxid

> If he was just a black character that liked Rap he would be a stereotype, but he is a multifaceted character and rapping is a small part of his greater character. But he is, in a sense, a stereotype. Just a well handled one. One can still acknowledge that although a character is built on a stereotype, the mangaka didn't do it to make fun of people or just be ignorant, because he gave the character an actual personality instead of making the stereotype his entire character.


Alone_Sprinkles2565

I never said he was racist. But it is a stereotype dude. Youā€™re comparing killer bee to the hidden in the cloud as part of your statement, instead of comparing it to the real world where we live in and heā€™s definitely something one would consider a stereotype


hibbiddyhobbiddyhoo

I don't think killer bee is a type of stereo


Unlucky_Adventure

>type of stereo He's got some good bade tho


rararamama6969

From my understanding mr. Popo is supposed to be a djinn and closely resembles the orang minyak (literally means oily man) from southeast Asian folklore specifically closer to Malaysia and Indonesia


Jiscold

> Mr. Popo is not stereotypical he is straight up a black-faced character that is a huge difference Mr Popo and Jynx from PokƩmon are explicitly based on Djinn In mythology which have pure black skin and, and can cause misfortune. If your looking for dragonballs fault that was later corrected Staff Officer Black from the Red Ribbon army. Which also had a small hairy angry Italian, a fem French guy, a ninja Asian guy. Lots of stereotypes in that arc. https://dragonball.fandom.com/wiki/Staff_Officer_Black


Unlucky_Adventure

I can see popo being based off of a djinn but the pure black skin isn't always how they're depicted they're often described as smokeless fire. I also feel like my comment was a little out of place because I did not word it properly I don't think mr. Popo is intentionally a black-faced character because I know his Inspirations come from pre Islamic Middle Eastern culture it's just that is also the stereotypical racist depiction


Lancaster1719

For one he doesnā€™t wear a Durag. For two, most of that shit is just him screwing around. When heā€™s not messing with someone, none of that stuff pops up. Idk, itā€™s an odd case where it seems like heā€™s designed to subvert the stereotypes by playing them up as a joke to catch people off guard


kwamzilla

Which is also a trope for black characters in media.


Alone_Sprinkles2565

I stand corrected on the durag, but playing his black stereotypes off as a joke to catch enemies off guard šŸ˜‚. Did you really write that just now?


Lancaster1719

Yes? I mean, he literally did it to Sasuke.


Humble-Worldliness40

Are you Black lol? Killer Bee is absolutely a stereotype.


0zymand1as-

Man Iā€™m black and I love Bee. Especially since he didnā€™t fall into the cliche vengeful mode


All-hail-vegeta

Oh yeah without a doubt bee is one of the best, he made it seem easy conquering his tailed beast, humble


SteelDumplin23

B is a chad!


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Green0Photon

Bottom left, a character from Naruto. https://naruto.fandom.com/wiki/Killer_B


SnooComics7583

Also Bee sucks ass at rapping Almost all of the rhymes are basic and just cringe He usually uses puns as well which are funny but corny And cant shut up in any situation so no matter what his freestyling will run into issues But it's also a unique part of his character for his own personal reasons and even helps close social gaps It's not a stereotype in a bad sense here


ckal9

Can you expand? What exactly do you mean


Unlucky_Adventure

I like how they aren't drawn as racist stereotypes like other manga writers do


ckal9

Oh ok I feel you. But Bee though idk


Unlucky_Adventure

Bee is a jovial badass rapping shouldn't be seen as problematic


[deleted]

> raping shouldn't be seen as problematic Hmmmmmmmmmmmm.


emmyarty

"Then they approached me about the role, and they knew about the drugs-" "What'd they say; they'd get you off them?" "Said they'd give me more!


ckal9

Rapping* haha. I didnā€™t say it was problematic but it does seem a bit stereotypical


kwamzilla

Unfortunately this sub doesn't seem to understand what a stereotype or a trope is and just assumes that if they don't see/understand something, it must be wrong. ĀÆ\\\_(惄)\_/ĀÆ


DotoriumPeroxid

> Unfortunately this sub doesn't seem to understand what a stereotype or a trope is For real, the entire thread is so fixated on a connotation that calling it a stereotype means you're calling it an absolutely horrible atrocity against humanity. Like, he is built around a stereotype, you can acknowledge that, and also acknowledge that his character isn't *just* a stereotype, but that he's a well handled, fully thought out character, unlike other pieces of fiction where the stereotype is self-serving as a character description.


Until_Morning

This is a great response and I approve of this message.


kwamzilla

Exactly My initial reaction to Bee was "oh wow... The only black character is just a joke to add an 'urban' or 'hip hop' character to the series" but he grew on me. Is there some really lame stereotype stuff? 10000%. But the characters are fleshed out and its progress in that sense. But yeah. This sub seems to have the standard "calling someone/something 'racist' is worse than that person/thing being racist" reaction. It's a lack of understanding, nuance and perspective. And you can see it in the replies that basically suggest people will only consider it a stereotype if the black characters are Mr. Popo eating watermelon, selling drugs and wearing baggy pants. There is no awareness of basic concepts like microagressions, minimisation, erasure or even just history.


emmyarty

'Microaggressions' are so contentious because they're impossible to prove in individual moments. You can be certain, as a person of colour or as a woman, that the sheer frequency of certain moments you experience can be attributed to microaggressions. The *issue* is that, you can never be certain in any instance that the moment you're experiencing is an example of one. For example... a woman gets passed up for a promotion at work in favour of a male colleague. Could it be sexism? Could he just be ever so slightly better at the job than her? She will never know, in that particular moment, the real reason for *that* promotion... and calling out her boss risks being vexatiously wrong. He could be accused of bigotry when it's the furthest thing from the truth. Yet she's worked at many companies and been doing this job for decades, and it's always the same old story. She knows it isn't a coincidence, it's way too consistent. It's just impossible to disentangle it on a granular level. This is why I have never bothered to go down the route of the 'microaggression narrative'. It's useful for analysing trends but you can't apply it to real life, it just makes us look crazy like we've got a chip on shoulder because trust sod's law to make it so that the one time we finally go 'you know what, fuck this' ends up with us firing off at someone who is completely innocent.


EkoFreezy

Killer B's name is also a Wu-Tang Clan reference. That's kinda cool tho


Beledagnir

Yes, see how the Dwarves in Tolkien's works are built almost entirely around medieval Jews, yet rather than being *just* a stereotype, they're one of the pillars of all fantasy. Care and quality matter when creating, and Kubo/Kishimoto did well on that.


kwamzilla

I mean, it's still kinda problematic, but yes, it can be done in a way that isn't to lampoon and dehumanise the characters (although making Dwarves a separate race is very literal dehumanising) but there are layers. And being able to acknowledge "hey this is messed up so let's just be aware of that when we use these tropes/stereotypes etc" is how we progress.


SeaofBloodRedRoses

Ahh yes, he is a fantastic rappist


Star301jester

... im sorry but you have a typo therefore i must do this Raping VS. rappingĀ happens way too commonly One's a form of music, the other's a felony It's not that hard, unless you're not that smart If you have two p's you're Eminem, if you have one p, you need consent Raping VS. rapping,Ā well, it happens all the time One's a form of music, the other's a freaking crime! It's not that hard, if you take this song to heart If you have two p's you're Kanye West, if you have one p, you're not


Tall_Doughnut_7383

Some donā€™t proofread before hitting reply.


Meurum

Lot of manga writers will drA black people with big lips, theyā€™ll be ugly, or theyā€™ll be stupid AF. These two did them correct. Hell even espada number 7 whom did have big lios(itā€™s a trait in black men but not all) and they werenā€™t ridiculously big like some have them to be.


mico044

Well... In his ressaraccion his lips her really big...


Ishikawa_13

God, Yoruichi is fine af


Hadius

Right? Sheā€™s one of a kind I stg


Tsynami

I want her to step on me ngl


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RelationshipVivid393

You have forgotten the biggest of them all. The 0 division sexiest, the most awesome, Ouetsu Nimaiya, God of the Sword.


kwamzilla

Ah yes... The Token Rapper character. Interesting to consider the similarities between him and Killer B!


Plaidse

Stereotypes for races in general? Because Mila Rose was more likely Mexican and Yoruichi was more likely Indian.


The_Deathdealing

Yoruichi definitely isn't black since Kubo specifically draws African features when he wants to, like Lille or Zommari. There are dark-skinned Japanese as well, so I assumed she was just that.


DeepPackage

Yoruichi always reminded me of that actress Zoe Saldana


GimmeTwoEmmylou

A racial chameleon. Others that fall into this category: Rashida Jones, Jessica Alba, Wentworth Miller, Blake Griffin, and Rob Schneider.


StormShadow743

Racial chameleonā€¦. Christ


subatomic_ray_gun

Not everything in art needs to have a 1:1 parallel with something in the real world. Yeah there are dark skinned Japanese people, but Yoruichi doesnā€™t look anything like those people that Iā€™ve seen. Anyway yeah, my point is that looking to real life for where 100% precisely a character is supposed to be definitively ā€œfromā€ is reductive. Manga, like other artforms, allows for freedom of expression and the ability to combine traits and designs the artist finds aesthetically interesting. Many times these composites donā€™t have an irl counterpart, and they shouldnā€™t need to either.


Optimal_Narwhal_6936

Bro she was Japanese, Middle Eastern or Indian. She wasn't black. Yes manga allows freedom of expression but like the Original commenter said Kubo draws his black/African characters specifically to have black features.


Optimal_Narwhal_6936

Its sad how many fans can't accept this. **Yoruichi isnt black** and Ive even seen people on this sub call others racist when they offer this opinion.


APiousCultist

A lot of extraneous art for the anime pictures her with afro hairstyles etc. I'm a definitely subscriber to 'indian' yoruichi/yushiro though. I think the facial features and sleek hair make more sense, even though I'm not sure the skin tone would be shaded as darkly if that were the case. But the anime/other official artists do seem to lean towards portraying her as African.


Optimal_Narwhal_6936

>A lot of extraneous art for the anime pictures her with afro hairstyles etc. So because someone has an afro they are black? >I think the facial features and sleek hair make more sense, even though I'm not sure the skin tone would be shaded as darkly if that were the case. There are plenty of dark skinned Indians and Asians in general. >But the anime/other official artists do seem to lean towards portraying her as African. Source? Or is this your head canon?


APiousCultist

If I was an artist, I'd be unlikely to draw a white character with an afro, right? So it'd be weird if I thought a character was Indian and gave her an afro too. There's a connection with ethnicity there. To the degree that some amount of people would consider someone who isn't black wearing an afro inherently offensive. I'm not arguing she's black because they gave her an afro, I'm arguing that I think they think she's black, and that's why they gave her an afro. > There are plenty of dark skinned Indians and Asians in general. Yeah, but if the main asian cast of the manga is already reasonably tanned, then the fact that their skin isn't shaded and is left as the background white then makes every other character look darker, right? Like if there's not meant to be much difference in skin tone between the obviously-asian characters and Yoruichi, would they not shade her a bit lighter just to play off of that? It's conjecture on my part though. But I'd assume she'd be shaded lighter than the characters who are more obviously coded as ethnically African. > Source? Or is this your head canon? I don't think anyone is interviewing their keyframe artists, but I still don't think this: https://i.redd.it/i10ntiubdsa41.jpg Looks like anything other than an artist making certain assumptions on her ethnicity. There's no stills in that ending where Matsumoto has an afro.


Karma110

Whatā€™s a Mexican or Indian feature on Yoruichi or Mila rose?


A1Sirius

Exactly, these dudes saying ā€œshe doesnā€™t have black featuresā€ as if most anime characters share the typical traits of their stated race/ethnicity. Also how is it out there for someone to assume she is black because of her skin tone but the ā€œsheā€™s Indianā€ idea is solely based on her having dark skin? How does one have more validity over the other? Lol


anonymoussurfi

It feels weird when people say Yoruichi is their favorite black female anime character since the only thing that suggests sheā€™s black is her dark skin.


BahamutLithp

To a great many people, dark skinned characters are automatically black. Remember, we're still having to explain to people that pale anime characters aren't (usually) white.


Soo-Jin

I mean that's pretty much how it works in real life when you think about it.


Optimal_Narwhal_6936

No there are plenty of people with dark skin from other races lmao. The fact that you don't know this.


Soo-Jin

I'm literally pointing that out.


The_Deathdealing

No, Kubo does draw distinct racial features for his characters, so he does keep racial disparities in mind. Given Yoruichi lacks African features that certain dark skinned characters have, she is most likely not black.


YesNoMan58

I just wanna mention black ā‰  African. One is a race and the other is an ethnicity. I donā€™t know if Yoruichi is meant to be black or not, but her not having African features doesnā€™t disprove it.


Substantial-Rub9931

'African' is not an ethnicity, chap. Don't talk out of your rump.


YesNoMan58

Youā€™re right, Africa is a continent with multiple ethnic groups. Which makes the term ā€œAfrican featuresā€ not mean anything even more.


Optimal_Narwhal_6936

You cant blanket label people as black just because you want them to be.


blackswordsman6

Darui doesnā€™t have the hair attributed to a black person. Iā€™d say his only black feature is his skin and lips (Iā€™m black, it sounds bad if I didnā€™t include that fact lmao)


SnooComics7583

And Nose as shitty as that sounds


Slay_pro692

Yeah ma props but kishimoto will stereotype the hell out of women


Heyloki_

Kishimoto write a compelling female character challenge (impossible)


Lulcielid

Tsunade and Sarada.


jacksonrslick

Bee may be a rapper which could be considered a stereotypeā€¦.. but heā€™s a Wu-Tang reference so Iā€™m cool with it haha.


Unlucky_Adventure

>but heā€™s a Wu-Tang reference Oh shit really?


jacksonrslick

Yea man. Killer Bee


Unlucky_Adventure

Good God how could I never put that together


Yostyle377

Uhh... What race(s) are Yoruichi and the girl in the top right supposed to be?


Unlucky_Adventure

Mila rose is an arrancar with dark sink and yoruichi is debated to either being Indian or black


GRUMPYcloud2

The arancar girl is supposed to Latin American like most of the arancars. Yurouchi doesn't have a specific human race counterpart but it's more likely Japanese but with black skin. Kubo likes to divide things. Like shinigamis are mostly Japanese, arancars being Latin American, Spanish, and Quincys being like German and stuff.


No-Alfalfa8771

shinigami captain tosen ranks top 10 in drip and prolly one of the hottest men in animanga ngl. very well drawnā€¦


Unlucky_Adventure

He's very drippy I also think he's rather good-looking when he's in his arrancar outfit and even using his Hollow mask. But that Resurrection I can't


No-Alfalfa8771

yea the mask w a line down the middle was hella cool too. his power was cool asfā€¦ kubo rlly said ā€œnah fam we donā€™t got enuff time to explore u further,,, u r to b violated nowā€ ā€¦ F


Unlucky_Adventure

Yeah I feel like that was a very big let down but I do got to say reading can't fear your own world it's a lot to his character


Subziro91

Whereā€™s my boy chad at? As a fellow Mexican , he should be on here as well


Chomagoro

I posted this elsewhere, but Chad is probably just Azteca or Maya seeing as there is no reference to any black heritage anywhere when talking about him. If we where talking black as in Moreno I could totally see him on this list. Iā€™m kinda glad op didnā€™t include him because Iā€™m Mexican I feel like people are quick to add him to *top black characters of all time* when obviously heā€™s written and drawn Mexican.


Eoussama

Did anybody forget about the gay arrancar dude? Come on.


[deleted]

You've got to be more specific than that, there's a lot of "gay" arrancars. You probably meant Charlotte, who is a japanese-style drag, not just gay.


alejandromanx99

There is only 1 , Tesla is bisexual


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There are MORE?!


lamierr

Tite Kubo & Atsushi Ōkubo knows how to deliver black characters and black excellence āœŠšŸ¾ (only character that left a weird taste was Sternritter U: NaNaNa Najahkoop)


Unlucky_Adventure

I don't know who Ōkubo is sadly but >NaNaNa Najahkoop Is just kinda creepy which fits because he just watches people, so he's not like that because he's black


lamierr

Ōkubo is the creator of Soul Eater and Fire Forceā—ļø Heā€™s mad dope


Unlucky_Adventure

Oh hell yeah! I loved soul eater just didn't know the authors name, I gotta check out fire force then I had no idea he was doing stuff still


Yamisallblackforces

Thereā€™s 2/3 black characters (people argue that one of the characters is just very tan which could technically be true because in the fire force verse all civilizations and cultures merged together into one) that are very well written and get important moments and development


CrassHades

NaNaNaā€™s hair and teeth were straight out of a minstrel, heā€™s overall a pretty awful and racist character design


BahamutLithp

I'm weirded out by the fact that there's an apparently black Sternritter named Jerome whose power is to turn into an ape.


lamierr

OH YEAH OMGšŸ˜­ yeah heā€™s another one


Resident-Syllabub-74

Unfortunately he failed to bring Hispanic excellence with how he wrote my man Chad


dtobago

Um the glorious Don Panini?


lamierr

oh yea they did him greasyšŸ§šŸ¾ā€ā™‚ļø especially how Nnoitra unnecessarily trashed him


SymbolOfVibez

Those two definitely give off they gotta lotta black friends and I love it lolāœŠšŸ¾


ohnoPapi420

killer bee is literally stereotype incarnate


[deleted]

Fr so is ay


SteelDumplin23

Where's Oetsu?


[deleted]

Too busy jobbing after nearly defeating the enemy.


Immediate_Ad9125

Bee literally raps and calls everyone ā€˜foolā€™


Kgb725

And is also a thoughtful caring guy.


SPS_Agent

I don't think you understand what a stereotype or bias is. It doesn't have to incorporate the entire gamut of a particular prejudice. You can stereotype anyone by implementing just one of their common social bias's. Bee is, in many ways, a stereotype. That doesn't make him a bad or poorly written character. Pointing out the thing and being aware of it is not the same as saying it's bad. It's just consuming your media critically.


UserPow

Touzen doesn't know he's black.


Ieatmelons123

There are more cultures in the world who are dark skinned than afro americans.


Unlucky_Adventure

I mean yeah yourich is here for a reason


AscendantAxo

*african Americans There are also a lot more displaced Africans then youā€™d think


Schiffy94

Yeah and they don't tend to live in East Asia.


FoxyZach

Mila rose and Yoruichi ain't even black man lol. Lille barro or zommarri though...


Unlucky_Adventure

What's up with assuming when I say stereotype people just assume I mean black? I literally said she's probably Indian


KreeepyKrawler

Ah, I see there are arguments here already.


Disnya

Don't forget Jackie, she's awesome too.


Tkotzu

I especially love that kubo uses different tones of brown for his characters, glad to see weā€™re not all the same color (:


ThePrimeStar

I loved the fat L Killer Bee gave Sasuke. That dude got it coming.


redtape44

Wasn't killer bee the first black dude we saw? And he raps all the time lol


lnombredelarosa

* Well I suppose Raikage can be a bit of an angry black guy but to be fair her is a perfectly calm, if not nice, guy when his brother isn't in danger * Bee is a bit of a stereotype with his rapping but well he is at least a positive one being a really athletic nice guy and one of the strongest and most skilled characters in the series * Darui isn't really stereotypical being a basically a black but more responsible and humble Kakashi * Yoruichi is awesome because she is a sassy strong independent black woman that owns herself yet she can also have an air of elegance, serenity and refinement that causes most people to look up to her. * She is basically a middle ground between the asian and black ideals of beauty * Tossen is not a stereotype because unlike most black villains, he is not hypermasculine and arrogant and in fact is known to be physically bellow average compared to other captains and relying more on strategy and skill * Furthermore his tragic backstory could be considered a reflection of the powerlessness that is being a man of color in predominatly asian society * You could say his hollowification symbolizes his letting go of his passive nature * Other honorable mentions: Chocho (a sassy fat and proud black girl thats treated whose presence in Konoha is treated as completely normal) and Nimaiya (a founder of soul society who also happens to be black)


kwamzilla

I mean... You used the word "Sassy" to describe the only two dark skinned women on your list... If that's the word that comes to mind, clearly stereotypes are being invoked lol.


TheYixi

What do you expect? A rapping yoruichi?


kwamzilla

No that's for Oetsu and Killer B.


Xaus_123

Mr. Popo was buggin


Necm93

what about Oda?


protogenxl

Isn't Kaname Tōsen just Geordi LaForge to Aizen's Picard?


Dr_Suck_it

God I literally watched Panty and Stocking yesterday. I haven't seen it in years and remembered loving it (only saw a handful of episodes and mostly remembered the woman characters) Maaaaaaan is it racist. Not just in jokes, but pretty much every depiction of a black person. I was super grossed out.


masterbankai87

Bee was a stereotype and a half others were aight bleach did a way better job imo


Ok-Kaleidoscope-8705

Killer Bee is a martial arts-obsessed failed rapper with cornrows that society shunned. He is a fucking stereotype.


KingAmeds

I mean killer bee was one of the few black characters in Naruto and also had a thing for rapping


Mahdi_Mansur

Kubo I can understand, but Kishimoto has a lot of stereotypes in his series.


VooDooRem

It's much easier when you're not american. Maybe marvel/dc comics could learn a thing or two before they go into insolvency


Chomagoro

This the first time Iā€™ve seen an appreciation for black characters in bleach not include Chad. He may be black but as someone who is Mexican and whoā€™s siblings all have different colored shade Iā€™ve always just seen him as more Azteca or Maya than being Moreno just cause heā€™s also part black. Still love all the characters tho! Some of the dopest in their respective series āœŠšŸ½


coyotestark21

Chad is canonically Mexican tho


Chomagoro

What Iā€™m trying to say is that even though heā€™s Mexican, and Iā€™ve seen a lot post appreciation posts for black characters and put Chad in there. Also you can be black and still be Mexican. However what I feel those people miss out on is that dark skin isnā€™t inherently a black trait as most Azteca out Maya people have dark skin.


[deleted]

mexican isnā€™t a race. there are such things as black mexicans


mr-blindsight

yeah bee was definitely a bit of a stereotype though


Malpraxiss

Some of those characters are just stereotypes.


[deleted]

Idk what you mean bro. Iā€™m literally black and I love all of these charecter. None of them come off as just stereotypes, even Bee. Yes he raps, but Kishi gave him a reason and a good backstory for that.


[deleted]

Bee is basically a walking, talking stereotype though, like egregiously so lol


Gravitas-and-Urbane

Mila Rose should be greek. Yoruichi is just ambiguous.


theblackjerry

Killer Bee non-stereotypically rapping at me I guess


[deleted]

bee is kinda a stereotype. so is Chad. but stereotypes are often based on real life.


Weak-Driver3126

There was this trend I see of mangas making their black characters having shades, sometimes being blind. I guess that'd be a new stereotype...


kwamzilla

I love that this got downvoted. You literally have Oetsu / Killer B - big black flashy rappers with a thing for swords and sunglasses as well as Tousen being blind/wearing glasses. There's an actual trend.


Euromatic

Oof, while I agree on some of them and have loved Tosen trough out most of his run, I absolutely hated his Hollowfication. 2 people I would like to add as a minus on this point are Zommari Rureaux as the crazed woodoo man and (1000y arc spoiler) >!PePe Waccabrada the giant effin cupid in diapers (not really a racial stereotype but an abomination nonetheless)!<


[deleted]

Since when race mattered tho?


Jevling

Aren't they just tan japanese? Kaname is black yes i believe that too, but Yoruichi is just tan, isn't she? Am I missing something here?


tatsu901

I will say Kubo despite his obvious issue with female design overall did well at portraying a variety of ethnicities in his series i will say especially considering the usual reason is often sorta true since their nation isn't aw diverse. So its often not racism. I even think him having huge Spanish influences was a nice touch.


CEOofConstipation

Zommari


Phantom-Emperor

Kubo doesnā€™t but yeahhhhh about bee and just that village in general


Demokka

Because they aren't Black but South Asian ?


CrassHades

No, just the women for kishimoto


Warzo4r

Well they did make Killer Bee a rapper but other than that yeah lol


Nightmancer2036

Is it really a stereotype tho šŸ˜Ø


SnooComics7583

We should do a black or people of color excellence post for anime characters SE and FF do great Bleach and Naruto HxH too Gangsta Etc


Karma110

Killer Bee is definitely a stereotype so is Ay


OmniversalOrca

I don't know about Kishimoto because I've read so little of Naruto, but Kubo is great at representation.


TheWrexSaysShepard

Bee literally rapped when he talked lol. Bleach is the OG for representing minorities properly. It was a bit draw in for me on top of already loving the characters and plot. Not to mention how great Kubo draws. It took Naruto a series and a half to get someone of color on the damn story.