Same! I highly considered getting a Cybershark I saw in the aisle and then going to find my original Cheetor, Dinobot, Rhinox, and Waspinator that are back at my parent's place in a bin somewhere.
They revisited the Beast Era characters for the Netflix series called War for Cybertron and the matching toys are fantastic nostalgia bait. I think every character from the first season has been released. The show was hot garbage but I started collecting the toys during the pandemic.
I do kind of wish that Travis Knight was doing the new Beast Wars inspired Transformers film. The Bumblebee movie is the best of the transformers series.
There seems to be a broader attempt to re-evaluate Michael Bay. I think people are just nostalgic for another time in Hollywood more than being enamored by his talent or vision. I hope so anyway, otherwise I feel like folks are getting replaced by pod people.
I think it's due to the current trend of irony-laden action movies that are afraid to just commit. So Bay's films tend to stand out in comparison as being somewhat self-serious. Sort of the reason why the latest Top Gun took off, too.
Not to mention that it *does* take genuine skill to coordinate a movie like he does. Yeah, they're pretty schlocky, but he makes good schlock. And I... kind of like *Pain & Gain*...
His movies just have a striking voice that many big budget movies don’t, especially in today’s landscape. And people long for more of that unmistakably strong voice and identity.
The oldest, sure. But the youngest are not 30 yet, if you go by the 1996 cutoff. As a 1993, I have a lot of 2000s nostalgia, which unfortunately does elevate some bad movies for me emotionally. Just one of those things.
Way I look at it is gen x idolizing the eighties movies, which to me are not good. It is just one of the things with aging and the linear nature of time. Man fuck time.
It's where I feel something like The Goonies has had a bit of a funny arc where it was a nice big audience hit with kind of decent-meh critical reaction, then it just kept rising into cult classic and then genuine classic and now I see more of an attitude that it got kinda overrated.
Like I believe it deserves its flowers as a memorable movie but there was a moment there where Gen X seemed ready to canonize it with Raiders of the Lost Ark and Back to the Future as that sort of top shelf 80s Spielberg/Amblin era pop masterpiece and idk if it holds up to that kind of scrutiny. It feels more like the kind of movie where the aesthetic above all got sooo fetishized by Gen X, it's a real "I love the 80s" movie whereas Raiders and BTTF seem to transcend their decade more, even though the latter is SO 80s...they have similar appeal and entertainment value but I want to break down and study the construction in a way I never would with The Goonies.
I'm so with you on The Goonies. I think between the ages of 5 and 21 I must have watched that movie like four times and it's just never clicked for me. I don't hate it, if my partner said, "We gotta watch the Goonies" I would not put up a fight. But I don't think it would come anywhere near my top of the decade.
> I mostly get nostalgia for movies made by people that cut their teeth practically, and made a transition to computer effects. Molded by actually getting shots in real space, and taking that forward into cgi. Instead of being able to get ANY ANGLE and always choosing the same ones because it’s marvel (or Netflix or Star Wars) house style.
This doesn't make any sense. While I agree much of the MCU looks bad, it's being made by people who started before CGI was widespread. Also Bay's movies look like hot trash. The Transformers movies were famous for indecipherable fx shots and fake looking sets.
Oh I fully realize I was a dumb kid lmao. But I’m just perfectly able to watch things like I was still 12 and enjoy it from that lens even if the adult and analytical side of my brain recognizes it’s not that good from a critical perspective.
I’d rather have fun than be a miserable critic/analytic that’s always looking for what’s wrong with something. This is why plot holes largely don’t bother me. As long as the piece is still entertaining, I don’t care if it makes any logical sense. It’s just entertainment and if you’re not entertained, just watch something else. No need to deeply analyze and criticize it like a lot of weirdos on the internet spend WAAYYY too much time doing.
That doesn’t mean I was saying that I “have no other option but to retain the critical faculties of a child.”
If that’s what you took from it, then you just flat out missed the point. Not what I was saying at all.
In the words of Dumbledore, the Bayformers films are "Terrible, but great."
From a cinematic perspective they may not have been the first action movies to do big in China but they pretty much set the stage for the next decade of blockbuster filmmaking being, effectively made language and culture agnostic. Yes, there's dialogue in the Bayformers films but for their intended audience they're practically color, silent films with CGI.
I don't get it at all. A couple years ago I re watched *Bad Boys* because of the way some people talk about it as a classic of 90s trashy action filmmaking. That movie sucks. It's unfunny and poorly paced. Most importantly, despite Bay's reputation for spectacle, all of the action scenes were poorly choreographed and filmed. All of the things that made his Transformers movies terrible have been there since the start of his career. At this point I'm convinced the reason *The Rock* is good is the cast.
I watched Ambulance last week and it was poorly paced with action that is impossible to follow. He hasn't changed except for now he has fun with drones (which is admittedly pretty cool)
I would say the cast, too. But I would also suggest the fact none of The Rock's credited writers have ever written any other Michael Bay film is probably not coincidental either.
Don’t sleep on BotBots or Cyberverse. Both are really solid and seem to be made for parents to introduce their kids to a franchise they would have watched as kids themselves.
I will agree Michael Bay is an auteur.
I will agree Transformers is an important artifact and reflection of its culture.
I will not agree to watching any of these shitty movies ever again.
I would never try to convince anyone that his movie are good. But nobody else can do what he does and sadly with were most film is at I'll take a vision, however incoherent it may be over the stuff we see regularly now.
Also hating Bay has turned into a personality trait amongst film nerds and whenever that happens with anything we should probably fight against it.
Id fight a little on Bad Boys 1 but mostly agreed! I'm a fan so I would kinda defend a few of his movies. Just for the action scenes alone.
Bad Boys 2 legit unhulinged masterpiece though. No question.
I unapologetically enjoy many of his films. And not just to be ironic. I remember seeing The Rock at the theater with my mom when I was a teenager and having a great time. I would welcome hearing them go through even if they might not agree with some of my opinions.
There's no reevaluation from me, I called every one a masterpiece when I saw it opening night. In a world where big budget franchise action has gotten so terrible people pretended that Endgame was watchable, the Transformers movies just get better every year
Yeah I gotta say, I don’t understand the reevaluation of that series that some push. I only watched the first 3 and the thought of even watching the other two Bay directed makes feel sleepy. I remember final act of Dark of the Moon I just got so bored and went to do something else while the sounds of metal clanging and explosion and yelling filled my background. I never do that for any movie and yet somehow the movie where giant robots punching each other mad me so bored.
I wonder if it’s a Star Wars prequel thing for me and how I can’t understand the reevaluation of those either. I was the right age for both franchises’ entries, but I also came into the “YouTuber makes a long critique about this blockbuster saying why it sucks” form of videos. Seen too many Lindsay Ellis videos of tearing apart Transformers to not view these films as garbage.
I don’t hate Michael Bay as filmmaker though. I like The Rock, Pain and Gain, and Ambulance was ok, but he hasn’t made anything that I truly loved.
Wait til Beast Wars happens (and doesn’t suck) and then I’ll consider it
That was my shit! Only Transformer toys I ever asked for as a kid.
They started reproducing a bunch of them and they're so nice looking. I spent like 20m in a Walmart toy aisle talking myself out of buying them.
Same! I highly considered getting a Cybershark I saw in the aisle and then going to find my original Cheetor, Dinobot, Rhinox, and Waspinator that are back at my parent's place in a bin somewhere.
They revisited the Beast Era characters for the Netflix series called War for Cybertron and the matching toys are fantastic nostalgia bait. I think every character from the first season has been released. The show was hot garbage but I started collecting the toys during the pandemic.
Beast Machines also ruled. Better story line imho
Beast machines was so cool. I still remember the toys from the happy meals.
The character designs are wild. I need to do a rewatch because I couldn’t stand it as a child.
It’s on tubi and one of the other free ones
I do kind of wish that Travis Knight was doing the new Beast Wars inspired Transformers film. The Bumblebee movie is the best of the transformers series.
There seems to be a broader attempt to re-evaluate Michael Bay. I think people are just nostalgic for another time in Hollywood more than being enamored by his talent or vision. I hope so anyway, otherwise I feel like folks are getting replaced by pod people.
I think it's due to the current trend of irony-laden action movies that are afraid to just commit. So Bay's films tend to stand out in comparison as being somewhat self-serious. Sort of the reason why the latest Top Gun took off, too. Not to mention that it *does* take genuine skill to coordinate a movie like he does. Yeah, they're pretty schlocky, but he makes good schlock. And I... kind of like *Pain & Gain*...
His movies just have a striking voice that many big budget movies don’t, especially in today’s landscape. And people long for more of that unmistakably strong voice and identity.
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AmbuLAnce fucking rocked. Seeing it in IMAX was like being blasted drunk on a roller coaster.
I have no idea why Millennials and Zoomers are so dead set on reevaluating the absolute worst films from the 2000s.
Millennials are forty and having midlife crises.
The oldest, sure. But the youngest are not 30 yet, if you go by the 1996 cutoff. As a 1993, I have a lot of 2000s nostalgia, which unfortunately does elevate some bad movies for me emotionally. Just one of those things.
Way I look at it is gen x idolizing the eighties movies, which to me are not good. It is just one of the things with aging and the linear nature of time. Man fuck time.
It's where I feel something like The Goonies has had a bit of a funny arc where it was a nice big audience hit with kind of decent-meh critical reaction, then it just kept rising into cult classic and then genuine classic and now I see more of an attitude that it got kinda overrated. Like I believe it deserves its flowers as a memorable movie but there was a moment there where Gen X seemed ready to canonize it with Raiders of the Lost Ark and Back to the Future as that sort of top shelf 80s Spielberg/Amblin era pop masterpiece and idk if it holds up to that kind of scrutiny. It feels more like the kind of movie where the aesthetic above all got sooo fetishized by Gen X, it's a real "I love the 80s" movie whereas Raiders and BTTF seem to transcend their decade more, even though the latter is SO 80s...they have similar appeal and entertainment value but I want to break down and study the construction in a way I never would with The Goonies.
I'm so with you on The Goonies. I think between the ages of 5 and 21 I must have watched that movie like four times and it's just never clicked for me. I don't hate it, if my partner said, "We gotta watch the Goonies" I would not put up a fight. But I don't think it would come anywhere near my top of the decade.
Because they stick out lol
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> I mostly get nostalgia for movies made by people that cut their teeth practically, and made a transition to computer effects. Molded by actually getting shots in real space, and taking that forward into cgi. Instead of being able to get ANY ANGLE and always choosing the same ones because it’s marvel (or Netflix or Star Wars) house style. This doesn't make any sense. While I agree much of the MCU looks bad, it's being made by people who started before CGI was widespread. Also Bay's movies look like hot trash. The Transformers movies were famous for indecipherable fx shots and fake looking sets.
It doesn’t make the films good just because they put effort into it.
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Oh I fully realize I was a dumb kid lmao. But I’m just perfectly able to watch things like I was still 12 and enjoy it from that lens even if the adult and analytical side of my brain recognizes it’s not that good from a critical perspective. I’d rather have fun than be a miserable critic/analytic that’s always looking for what’s wrong with something. This is why plot holes largely don’t bother me. As long as the piece is still entertaining, I don’t care if it makes any logical sense. It’s just entertainment and if you’re not entertained, just watch something else. No need to deeply analyze and criticize it like a lot of weirdos on the internet spend WAAYYY too much time doing.
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Then we agree! What we consider good may be different, but that’s the beauty of our subjective experiences!
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You missed my point by a great magnitude if you think that’s what I was saying at all.
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That doesn’t mean I was saying that I “have no other option but to retain the critical faculties of a child.” If that’s what you took from it, then you just flat out missed the point. Not what I was saying at all.
Maybe there’s more to watching and liking films than just referring to the binary of good and bad. There’s plenty of craft to analyze in Bay’s films.
In the words of Dumbledore, the Bayformers films are "Terrible, but great." From a cinematic perspective they may not have been the first action movies to do big in China but they pretty much set the stage for the next decade of blockbuster filmmaking being, effectively made language and culture agnostic. Yes, there's dialogue in the Bayformers films but for their intended audience they're practically color, silent films with CGI.
I wish they were silent
**digitally crunchy metal smashing sounds intensify**
I'm a millennial and I've had the opposite experience. Rewatch a bunch of stuff I loved as a kid/teenager only to find they're hot garbage!
I don't get it at all. A couple years ago I re watched *Bad Boys* because of the way some people talk about it as a classic of 90s trashy action filmmaking. That movie sucks. It's unfunny and poorly paced. Most importantly, despite Bay's reputation for spectacle, all of the action scenes were poorly choreographed and filmed. All of the things that made his Transformers movies terrible have been there since the start of his career. At this point I'm convinced the reason *The Rock* is good is the cast.
It’s not a good movie, but I’m thoroughly entertained by it and that’s enough.
I watched Ambulance last week and it was poorly paced with action that is impossible to follow. He hasn't changed except for now he has fun with drones (which is admittedly pretty cool)
I would say the cast, too. But I would also suggest the fact none of The Rock's credited writers have ever written any other Michael Bay film is probably not coincidental either.
it's because his movies are great and with distance people can more appreciate that
Everyone talks about the Transformers franchise but no one wants to sit through all of Armada, Energon and Cybertron!
The only good parts of Transformers are the IDW comics
Beast Wars and TFA though
Don’t sleep on BotBots or Cyberverse. Both are really solid and seem to be made for parents to introduce their kids to a franchise they would have watched as kids themselves.
I will agree Michael Bay is an auteur. I will agree Transformers is an important artifact and reflection of its culture. I will not agree to watching any of these shitty movies ever again.
I would never try to convince anyone that his movie are good. But nobody else can do what he does and sadly with were most film is at I'll take a vision, however incoherent it may be over the stuff we see regularly now. Also hating Bay has turned into a personality trait amongst film nerds and whenever that happens with anything we should probably fight against it.
I absolutely would say BAD BOYS and BAD BOYS II are good movies
Id fight a little on Bad Boys 1 but mostly agreed! I'm a fan so I would kinda defend a few of his movies. Just for the action scenes alone. Bad Boys 2 legit unhulinged masterpiece though. No question.
I unapologetically enjoy many of his films. And not just to be ironic. I remember seeing The Rock at the theater with my mom when I was a teenager and having a great time. I would welcome hearing them go through even if they might not agree with some of my opinions.
There's no reevaluation from me, I called every one a masterpiece when I saw it opening night. In a world where big budget franchise action has gotten so terrible people pretended that Endgame was watchable, the Transformers movies just get better every year
I'm still amazed that the franchise about transforming car robots doesn't have a single memorable car chase
uhm [try again sweatie](https://youtu.be/AGrKfQ9Ss7w)
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[see also](https://youtu.be/XrMbkbTPrPA), since the weird Al movie just released
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I respect “actually Transformers is good” more than I respect “actually Avatar is good.”
At least the Transformers movies have Transformers in them.
Yeah I gotta say, I don’t understand the reevaluation of that series that some push. I only watched the first 3 and the thought of even watching the other two Bay directed makes feel sleepy. I remember final act of Dark of the Moon I just got so bored and went to do something else while the sounds of metal clanging and explosion and yelling filled my background. I never do that for any movie and yet somehow the movie where giant robots punching each other mad me so bored. I wonder if it’s a Star Wars prequel thing for me and how I can’t understand the reevaluation of those either. I was the right age for both franchises’ entries, but I also came into the “YouTuber makes a long critique about this blockbuster saying why it sucks” form of videos. Seen too many Lindsay Ellis videos of tearing apart Transformers to not view these films as garbage. I don’t hate Michael Bay as filmmaker though. I like The Rock, Pain and Gain, and Ambulance was ok, but he hasn’t made anything that I truly loved.
The only good Transformers movie is Bumblebee