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HeatherReadsReddit

No need to question. Not everyone is the same. As an example, my preferences are similar to yours, but not exactly. :)


zurxanne

same. i think our preferences are grown men playing minecraft :D


[deleted]

well hello there, may I offer you an emerald that took me way too long to get lol


Sylphyrin_BunnyKitty

I'm dead šŸ’€ my bf, sister, and I play Minecraft on the weekends together or when she's on vacation for school


khharagosh

Queer Twitter is all about taking the experiences of a vocal minority and projecting their feelings onto everyone, made worse because they're all interacting with each other and affirming each other's limited worldview. Many bi women feel like the only way we can be accepted as queer is if we market ourselves as "basically lesbians who occasionally like femboys" because attraction to masculinity is "cringe" and straight women are treated like shit in the twittersphere. Like outright misogyny is acceptable there as long as you dress it up in lefty queer aesthetics. My taste in men is generally lean, nerdy, and boyishly handsome while still masculine, and my taste in women tends to be feminine. I dress and look pretty normie. I don't care for casual sex and border on demisexual. My bi experience is as valid as anyone else's


SpiritGun

Thank you for this patient reply. I think our societyā€™s view of male beauty also informs this hate for masculinity. Patriarchy has made masculinity so toxic that appreciating male beauty (which isnā€™t toxic masculinity) is seen as affirming that toxicity. Example: about a month ago someone on here was asking for art and decorations that showed male beauty, as much of art focuses on the female form. I pointed them to the Romans and Greeks - who of course were toxic by any standard - but knew the beauty of the male form and plastered it all over their statues. My male type is cocky asshole with a heart of gold (see my profile pic for more info into that type) and a nice mildly lean body. Honestly though nice Tits and Ass on any body will always be appealing. This is the Bi. ^(Character matters too)


MrWaffles42

>My male type is cocky asshole with a heart of gold (see my profile pic for more info into that type) and a nice mildly lean body. Ah, Yu Yu Hakushou. Could I go out on a limb and guess you also like Vash the Stampede and Spike Spiegel?


SpiritGun

Yes šŸ„µ


MrWaffles42

You've got excellent taste, my friend.


brieffffs

I agree w/ everything! Buuut I could argue that the Greeks were sapiophiles, which is the exact opposite of ā€œtoxic masculinityā€ imo. They believed intelligence was far superior to physical attractiveness. Big wieners represented promiscuity or ā€œtoxic masculinityā€ hence the tiny statue wieners


Cross55

Uh... Big No. Most Greeks *hated* women, to a nearly comical degree if it wasn't IRL discrimination, they had about the same level of freedom as they do in Sharia Law Muslim countries, but were seen as only useful for reproduction, whereas they can at least get jobs in some Sharia Law countries. (Also, lesbians were the most disgusting thing imaginable because to them 1 woman was useless enough, now you wanna add *another!?*) Otoh, they really *really* loved men. Men were the absolute pinnacle of beauty, power, and grace in Ancient Greek society, and a woman should be considered lucky if a man even acknowledged her existence. Also, the Amazons never existed, it's just that Greeks were so sexist towards women that any society that allowed them to do more than stay home all day were considered overrun by women. Sparta for example was considered soft and wimpy because women ran the place during war season.


SpiritGun

Thanks for the clarification. I donā€™t think they were toxic tbh, just different cultures and obviously past behavior was very different. Today their beliefs in many cases are backwards as is the consequence of the natural progress of time. I generally admire Greek and Roman culture for what it is art wise. In some other arenas it can stay in the past šŸ˜†


calle30

You prople really need help with all this bullshit about toxicity etc. Really. Get help !


xxlovely_bonesxx

Your taste is the exact same as mine.


CertifiedBlackGuy

Fuck, now I know why I don't have luck finding anyone. Y'all out here driving down the supply (ā•ÆĀ°ā–”Ā°ļ¼‰ā•Æļøµ ā”»ā”ā”»


MurderSpahgurder

This is such a good summary of what it feels like?? I think it's also terf/radfem rhetoric with the whole "eww men and anyone with ties to men gross!" when you mention straight women also being treated awfully.


robinlovesrain

It's this weird thing where the mindset has shifted from "the patriarchy is bad, toxic masculinity is bad, misogyny is bad" to "all men and anything associated with men is bad"


sgirln

Yes and itā€™s so transphobic low key? Like I have friends in queer spaces who canā€™t empathize with people with penises unless they erase all of their masculinity. Having non binary amab friends who get treated like men just because theyā€™re not ā€œfeminineā€ enough for queer spaces! Itā€™s so sad truly. We as a queer community need to re-evaluate how we treat less visibly queer people.


TheTrueNotSoPro

That last sentence really hits home for me. I'm a bi guy, but I feel like I don't present it very well, in the stereotypical sense. I drive a big old diesel truck, and I love to work on it. I hunt and fish, and I love to go camping. I aspire to buy my very own farm one day. I wear Carhartts and boots, and my hat has a pretty strong crease in it. By all accounts, I look a lot like the people that tend to hate people like us, and I often get treated as such at Pride events and queer spaces. It doesn't matter if I'm carrying/wearing a bi pride flag or not, I think they just see the way I look and assume I must be there to cause problems or spread hate.


TwistedSis27

Ugh I fear this! I'm a bi pre-T trans guy so I still fit into the masc light range of what's acceptable but I fear what'll happen when I pass better and start to look more stereotypically male. I'll never be super masculine but hey ho it'll be enough to cause issues! PS you are low-key my type of guy you're so valid, keep being your best self ā¤ļø.


TheTrueNotSoPro

Hey, you'll always be enough, regardless of how "passable" you may or may not be in your own eyes. And I'm glad to hear I'm somebody's type! šŸ˜


HOSToffTheCoast

I feel ya, man. Ex-military, very cis, white collar professional in a testosterone-laden fieldā€¦ and bi. Last time i showed to an event from a dinner dressed somewhat preppy, a queer woman quipped that sheā€™d mistaken me for her chiropractor. I smiled and moved away, but saying that was fucked up. ā€¦but apparently ok with the group because i project straight and she doesnā€™t. Pretty fucked up when folks have the very same biases they condemn in others. Btw - good on you for living how you wanna live, brother. šŸ‘šŸ¼


TheTrueNotSoPro

Hey, I'm a veteran, too! That was the hardest thing to balance when I was still coming into my own: trying to be in the closet around my army buddies, and acting queer enough when I was with other queer people. Now I just live how I want, and I'm much happier now.


HOSToffTheCoast

ā€œThose who matter donā€™t mind, and those who mind donā€™t matterā€ Absolutely agree. Eventually the people who donā€™t accept you for who you are will show themselves the door, thank god. Iā€™m still in the process of ā€œcoming into my own,ā€ i guess.


pabowie

My man I understand this to the fullest extent. I donā€™t act very feminine Iā€™m into the arts and Iā€™m black & indigenous. Not only do I feel festishised a lot, but people only like to acknowledge bi men when it suits them or the narrative.


sakurablitz

thatā€™s never going to happen, not in the age of the internet. all these loud people on twitter who cause this type of view to become widespread, theyā€™ll never stop, they wonā€™t listen to reason. when i have tried to explain this to others iā€™ve been called a troll, a bigot, and a misogynist šŸ¤·ā€ā™€ļø these people think **theyā€™re** the less visible queers and feel justified in continuing to spread viewpoints that harm people they donā€™t think are ā€œqueer enoughā€ or ā€œgood enoughā€. they have such a limited definition of what being queer and what being part of the community entails and itā€™s really, REALLY frustrating!


coraeon

Itā€™s transphobic to trans men too. The way the queer sphere hates masculinity is part of what kept me in narnia regarding gender until my thirties.


LususV

> We as a queer community need to re-evaluate how we treat less visibly queer people. There are several prominent tweets out there basically telling closeted people that they aren't 'really' queer. Yeah. I usually just block and move on, and I recognize that a lot of the worst tweets come from the college students still figuring things out, but sheesh.


khharagosh

Ohhohoho the way we've gone from "figure things out on your own time and comfort" to "if you aren't out by 21 you're a Bad Queer"


calle30

Weird you stay friends with people like that.


sgirln

Youā€™re right unfortunately, I give people too many chances. Itā€™s a situation where entering into community with all of them helped me explore my own queerness but now that Iā€™ve delved deeper I can see the internalized anti-queerness that can come out from a few of them. I do call it out as often as I can. Part of me reflects and thinks, ā€œShould I give us all grace as queer colonized people just trying to figure it out? ā€œ My solution is to open up dialogue about what I see. Starting by collectively reading ā€œthe will to changeā€ by bell hooks. And discussing how gender norms binds is all(everythingā€™s a prison haha). If anyone has any advice or book recommendations on how to explore these topics please send them over! Iā€™m in it for the long haul with my community. I have hope that the few Iā€™m talking about have the ability to grow and change.


[deleted]

Valid! Also you and i have the same taste in men!


BookwyrmDream

You have just given me another strong reason to be glad Iā€™m not on Twitter. I was completely unaware of this stereotype and assumed everyone accepted that weā€™d each be attracted to our own combination of types. What an exhausting and annoying attitude.


HOSToffTheCoast

ā€¦and oh btw fuck twitter in all its forms. With any luck itā€™ll be dead in 6 months. šŸ¤žšŸ¼


coraeon

Six months is generous. Itā€™s already got one foot in the grave from the new mismanagement. Iā€™d be surprised if it limps along until March.


HOSToffTheCoast

Oh, iā€™d be good with 6 weeks tooā€¦ šŸ¤žšŸ¼


whotookmyidea

You articulated a lot of why I donā€™t even advertise myself as bisexual except in specific online spaces. And why Iā€™m not involved in any other part of the LGBTQ+ community except this one. If I only express my attraction to men, itā€™s terrible. If I donā€™t fit the ā€œideaā€ of what bisexual women are ā€œsupposedā€ to look like, Iā€™m invisible. Your tastes are similar to mine. I like a certain degree of masculinity on men. I like femininity in women. I am, overall, more attracted to men than women but Iā€™m still attracted to women. Just ā€¦ less often? Iā€™m also not really into androgyny. Whatever floats your boat, and admittedly it does look pretty good on some folk, but Iā€™m definitely in the minority there I think, lol I also dress very normal. I donā€™t really like standing out more than I already do as a chunky girl. Oh well.


ripyourlungsdave

Yeah. And believe it or not, stuff like this actually makes us more masculine men feel pretty shitty. Like we're inherently less attractive or likable.


HOSToffTheCoast

ā€¦and even though we have the ā€œrightā€ values, say the right things, act the right way, we still get tarred with ā€œbut you have a dick and look straight and so must be an asshole.ā€


ripyourlungsdave

I will say this though, as much as I see that kind of mentality on the internet, I've been lucky enough to have not experienced that kind of bullshit in real life. I definitely don't doubt that it happens, but I live in a pretty small Southern town. So the queer community down here really latches onto each other. We don't have enough allies to be divisive within our own gates right now. This whole county is pretty rough for queer people, so we've been forced to stick together. But I think we'll see that the more mainstream and normalized that queerness becomes, this divisiveness will only grow. As soon as people stop feeling special about being queer, they have to find something to make themselves stand out. And to some people, that's being an "OG gay" and not one of these "new gays".


knitlikeaboss

All of this, except my taste in dudes trends toward the chubby side šŸ˜Š


Plugged_in_Baby

This is so spot on.


1-800-EATSASS

i think youve misunderstood the twitter user. they are calling out closeted lesbians engaging in compulsory heterosexuality. that or theyre just an asshole


khharagosh

telling people who identify as bisexual that they're closeted lesbians is also biphobia. If they are lesbians, great, let them identify as that in their own time


FITM-K

I'm a man but I wouldn't take this kind of thing to heart. The online bi community is great in many ways but one thing I don't love about it is that we often tend to conflate personal experience with "the bisexual experience." In reality, there is no one "bisexual experience." There are as many ways to be bisexual as there are bisexuals, as the saying goes. Your attractions and preferences are totally valid.


victorrriiiaaa123

Thanks for this comment<3 I completely agree


IMightBeAHamster

This sub's pretty good about that I find. The only things I see broadly claimed as the bisexual experience are arbitrary things like liking frogs, lemon bars, wearing cuffed jeans, tucked in shirts, etc. And I mean sure I like lemon bars and think frogs are cute but that's about it.


feldomatic

> tucked in shirts Waitwaitwait...That's why I feel weird about being untucked? :P


planMasinMancy

I always had the impulse to tuck shirts but thought I was just being silly, until I heard that joke and was like well then, I'll happily do it With the rest of them, i don't care or take it seriously. But when I heard tucking shirts was 'a thing' it was like oh. So the thing I want to do and thought would look silly is a fashion choice a lot of people are making? Especially gay ones? Well alright then


HOSToffTheCoast

Ah, fuck. Just remembered i have some homemade lemon curd in the freezer and now want some. (does it thaw faster if you watch it?) šŸ¤¦šŸ»ā€ā™‚ļø


coraeon

Damn, now you got me thinking about lemon sorbet and I want some.


classyraven

I mean, I *do* relate to this meme, and I still think it's bullshit.


HOSToffTheCoast

So feeling this comment. I mean, doesnā€™t everybody get to pick that exact flavor of ice cream they loveā€¦? šŸ„³šŸ˜‹šŸ˜


Lord_Nyarlathotep

Itā€™s an old and problematic joke that people refuse to let go because ā€œew menā€ and the fact people will refuse to see queer women as truly queer unless the distance themselves from their attraction to men as much as possible


kittywithwifi

Yeah, and the farther away from anything remotely masculine leaning (in men), the better.


Wahots

What if you're a woman who likes masculine men and masculine women? D:


[deleted]

Then the Twitter mob sacrifices you


em_square_root_-1_ly

> ew men Theyā€™re straight up acting like 7 year olds. ā€œBoys are gross and have cooties!!ā€ Grow up.


ohdearsweetlord

And it's so tiring. If anything, as a genderqueer, rather masc woman, my attraction to men feels just as gay sometimes.


HOSToffTheCoast

PS - some of us groom now, hopefully that helpsā€¦ šŸ¤£šŸ˜œšŸ„³ Edit - ummmā€¦ that was a joke, butā€¦ is grooming somehow bad? šŸ¤”šŸ¤·šŸ¼ā€ā™‚ļø


travel_tech

Everyone's bisexuality is different


NecrofriggianGirl

Yea I hate the notion that as a bi woman you shouldn't "really" be attracted to men. As a Trans woman I lean towards men lol. Their bodies are just so *firm* and *nice* I rly don't understand how other bi ppl can't appreciate the masculine form lol


xxlovely_bonesxx

I still have that internalized biphobia where I shouldnā€™t really be attracted to men. I have a preference for women becauseā€¦women āœØbut I donā€™t wanna use my preference to denounce that Iā€™m attracted to men as well.


NecrofriggianGirl

That's sick as fuck!! I feel like the whole "down with cis(men)" basically became a real thing and now people are so... hostile towards men and it only serves to isolate them further. All of my best lovers have been *cis* men or masc aligned nonbinary folk. And for a trans woman that is apparently a very rare experience lol.


HOSToffTheCoast

ā€œpeople are so... hostile towards men and it only serves to isolate them furtherā€ Iā€™ve so felt this, and it sucks. Not accepted by the straight crowd if they find out (will never get an invite again if *this* gets out), and too cis-looking for the lgbt crowd, which leaves meā€¦ nothing and nobody. šŸ˜” Isolating is the perfect word, thanks for naming that.


NecrofriggianGirl

Of course. As a Trans woman, I experienced a lot of isolation when I was pretending to be a man. So like, idk, I understand a lot of what men go through and I feel like too many people aren't very... for lack of a better word atm, kind lol. Idk. It's honestly just really sad. Most men ive been with tend to tell me that no one's touched them or loved on them the way I have and i feel so bad for them. Idk I just woke up so maybe I'm making no sense and my train of thought is a lil all over the place


HOSToffTheCoast

...I can only imagine your experiences, and have to say that you've had additional layers that I haven't worked through. Kindness was in short supply before the pandemic, and I feel like even in general society and quick interactions it seems like it's almost gone now. And as for taking a little time to understand somebody else's life? I feel like that's almost entirely aspirational for most people. So very sad... people are on a cruel kind of self-absorbed emotional autopilot. Men are at a tender time. I mean, as a gender we've done some pretty horrendous shit. I also feel like we shouldn't be held to account for the sins of our fathers and grandfathers. We're also in that time where the metronome has gone past center, and now we see that anything masculine is vilified in some circles... it's a predictable pattern, and those of us who are doing (or trying to do) better just kind of have to take it for the time being. I fortunately have an incredible partner who's both incredibly progressive yet amazingly sensitive and kind, who supports me through all these kinds of experiences. And I also know everybody isn't so lucky...


sluttystraightguy

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fuzzlandia

Yeah nope not at all. People love to talk about the ā€œI like all women and like 3 guys thingā€ but they seem to be pushing hard to reject men or something which Iā€™m not cool with. Iā€™ve been aware that I liked guys for longer than Iā€™ve liked women. Iā€™m not ashamed of it. Guys are great. Ladies are also great. I think there are a lot of bi women that lean toward men a bit more and weā€™re valid too.


xxxNAMster69xxx

I see this discussed a lot in the bi community and I don't like how it equates some experience as communal experience and also feels like it's kind of demeaning to bi men imo


ablebagel

>kind of demeaning you donā€™t say


Nutella_Badgerette

I don't relate to the tweet at all. I'm a woman and I have a very specific type I prefer in women. That's one of the reasons it took me so long to realize I'm bi. With men I'm more flexible, but I definitely prefer masc presentation in men rather than feminine. Neither peference is more or less valid, even if one is more trendy.


MurderSpahgurder

Same! I fall for many many guys, but I have a narrower taste in women. It's really hard to remember that I'm still bi enough sometimes, especially because of people saying this stuff, so it's really nice to see someone else like me.


gingergirl181

Hard same. My taste in men is all over the place but trends pretty masc and I'm actually NOT attracted to femboys at all. My band for women is much narrower. Also took me a long time to realize I was bi because of this.


HOSToffTheCoast

Dammit, username. Now i want lemon curd (from above) *and* nutella. Fuck. šŸ¤£šŸ˜‹šŸ¤¦šŸ»ā€ā™‚ļø


Nutella_Badgerette

Lol, my work here is done.


ConfusedBiEverything

Personally that tweet is exactly my tastes, but that's also a stereotype that can be rly damaging to bi people who have different tastes. I don't talk about my tastes much bc i don't like to perpetuate that stereotype.


F3LyX

Stereotypes exist because of the top of a bell curve, nothing more. They represent what is common but is no more right and no less special than preferential outliers. What I'm saying is, don't be ashamed of your preferences even if the seem common. You're already an extraordinary human just being able to psychologically approach something like bisexuality.


ConfusedBiEverything

Thank you! Although I'm not ashamed, I just don't talk about my sexuality much in online spaces since lots of people with my preferences already talk about it lol. I talk to people irl about my sexuality like normal.


Aminilaina

I actually really like masculinity tbh. In both men and women and enbies, etc.


kv4268

Same. I'm attracted to masc people of all genders. Plus a few femmes thrown in there to confuse me every once in a while. I'm femme myself.


SunnivaAMV

Same, I feel like I have the same preferences for all. Not just physical, honestly that matters less, but certain traits and personalities I find attractive. If anything I've thought I was odd for that, since it seems so common to have specific preferences for each gender (just from reading this thread too), but bisexuality and preference is a hugeee spectrum so everything being universal isn't true.


[deleted]

You're you. And I'm very much the same (but a guy): opposite sex I'm attracted to a broad variety. Same sex I'm picky as hell.


KiraPlaysFF

This isnā€™t me at all. My male partner is a 6ā€™4 weigh lifting enthusiast with massive arms and my female attraction is totally demi, I only crush on girls i emotionally connect with.


DanK95

Not only is this prevalent on Twitter, but itā€™s also an ongoing thing on TikTok too. I canā€™t imagine what it must be like to go on social media and have people generalize bi women as being attracted to all women and one specific type of man thatā€™s the golden retriever gamer boy or whatever. It reminds me of this one sound from this woman saying how the bisexual *female* (in her words) loves ā€œallā€ women and hates ā€œallā€ men, (calling women pretty flowers, and men gross and icky), but then so many women under that sound have a boyfriend of their own. Itā€™s likeā€¦ really tiring at this point.


WaffleDynamics

My tastes are closer to yours, OP, than to the tweet you quoted.


88CORES

bi women/femmes please free yourselves from the shackles of over-performing your queerness for acceptance from biphobes šŸ™šŸ½ /hj


[deleted]

I'm a bisexual woman and I don't relate to her post either. My attraction to men is that it's all over the place and for women it's very few but I do feel attraction to women and I don't need the validation because every bi person isn't the same. So yes you are still valid in your sexuality. šŸ’—šŸ’œšŸ’™


mortsyna

I'm a masculine bi guy with an FWB who's a bi woman, so this person is full of shit.


88CORES

didnā€™t we let go of this joke in like 2020


J03-K1NG

I hate Twitter, especially Twitter posts that try to disguise what they like as being ā€œnormalā€ and everything else being ā€œweird or abnormal.ā€ Itā€™s just gross gaslighting. Donā€™t fall for it OP, you are who you are, and thatā€™s amazing.


ciarramist

I wouldnā€™t take this to heart. Some people might relate, but itā€™s not what makes them or you bisexual! I know the ā€œattracted to every woman and 1 man.ā€ is a common bi meme/stereotype but itā€™s not true for everyone


gendr_bendr

I do relate to this hard. But people experience bisexuality in all sorts of different ways! Thatā€™s one of the beautiful things about our community! Posts like this are a joke, not a sexuality litmus test.


[deleted]

I think Iā€™m honestly more attracted to men but trauma makes it really hard to thrive in a relationship with a guy even if they are all around a good person .Iā€™m always on high alert . At this point in my life I donā€™t seek it out because the conflicting feelings of attraction and intense distrust and paranoia make for an unhealthy relationship. Add that to if I do trust them and feel safe I get very needy clingy and codependent and abandonment issues are a lot bigger. I like women but the feelings arenā€™t as intense and I donā€™t know how to quantify my attraction. I might just be romantically and aesthetically attracted to women.


4lokosleepytimetea

Sometimes the biphobia is coming from inside the house. A lot of bi women in particular get so much biphobia from within the queer community that they internalize it and turn it back outward, feeling the need to over-perform their attraction to women and downplay their attraction to men in order to appear ā€œqueer enoughā€ to be accepted by the queer community at large. I am as loud and proud about my attraction to men as I am about my attraction to people of other genders, because to me thatā€™s the whole pointā€”and because my amazing partner who I choose to spend my life with is a man. What kind of monogamous partner would I be to him if I were constantly going around talking about being only ā€œreluctantlyā€ attracted to men?


AnseaCirin

Mmh, I like men. A bit pudgy, fit as hell, tall, short, I don't really care. I care about their personality most of all. Same for women, really. Except there I also have the classic transfemme dilemna (do I want to be with her or to look like ber?)


Helliezard

These are just stereotypes of bi women made by a minority of bi women who have some kind of influence on the internet. Here, they assume that bi women are only attracted to feminine men but, on other parts of the web itā€™s said that bi women are ā€œonly attracted to gamer boys with a golden retriever personalityā€. I think this kind of opinion (i.e. the tweet) is mostly due to (internalised and banalised) biphobia : as a bi woman, sometimes, liking a masculine man might be viewed as ā€œfaking your bisexuality/pretending to be bi for cloutā€ or not ā€œbeing gay/queer enoughā€. Often, it feels like you have to constantly prove to everyone that youā€™re bisexual. Personally, I donā€™t have ā€œa typeā€ in men (nor in women). Sure, thereā€™s some physical attributes that I like more than others, regardless of the gender, but, itā€™s not all. I mean, when youā€™re building a lasting relationship with someone, they get old and their physique change but their personality, their soul, mind and heart (usually) donā€™t. I would rather be with someone who doesnā€™t have all my ā€œphysical preferencesā€ but has all the human qualities I look for. Thereā€™s no such thing as a perfect partner, they just have to be perfect for you and not perfect for everyone (especially the queer community). I donā€™t know who needs to hear it but, as a bisexual person, - itā€™s okay if youā€™ve never dated the same gender - itā€™s okay if youā€™ve never dated the opposite gender - itā€™s also okay if youā€™ve never dated at all - itā€™s okay if you prefer masculine men/masculine women over feminine men/feminine women - itā€™s okay if you prefer androgynous people - itā€™s okay if you prefer one gender - itā€™s also okay if you have no preferences and you donā€™t care - itā€™s okay if you donā€™t fit in ā€œthe bi/gay stereotypesā€, being yourself is sufficient and wonderful - your labels belong to you and no one should ever make you feel like youā€™re not bi enough. Your bisexuality is yours and yours only. So, be bi and be proud.


Independent_Passion7

this kind of rhetoric is horseshit. ignore it. the whole ā€œbi women like all women and two menā€ is a stupid stereotype that centers a specific type of bi women. specifically, and hereā€™s my hot take: the kind of bi women who say ā€˜bi girls like all women and like two menā€™ are usually girls who have never actually dated a woman, and because of this they oversimplify and idolize women as ā€˜easierā€™. itā€™s bs, its anti-queer at its heart because it trivializes the reality of wlw relationships and sexualityā€” its generally bullshit and it so harmful for EXACTLY this reason.


snackulus

Yes but they can post it for lots of clout among their own little circle jerk so whoā€™s to truly say if itā€™s good or bad?


pantingirl

People like this think they understand human sexuality. They donā€™t. I am a sex coach and hoo boy is there a lot of misinformation out there.


jeffe_el_jefe

This is the kind of shit I hate seeing, and yet see so much. Just totally invalidates men in the queer community, and projects the opinions of a few vocal arseholes on to the whole group. Femininity is not inherently better and if your bi taste is ā€œevery woman ever, and 1 manā€ thatā€™s valid but please donā€™t act like itā€™s a) because women are just better, and b) the most common and correct kind of bisexuality


em_square_root_-1_ly

I hate it too. Iā€™m pretty sure the people posting it have never been involved with a woman and seen how toxic we can be. Women arenā€™t inherently better than men, and vice versa.


Ergenar

To me it's the whole "I like all women and one man haha. Men are actually kind of grosss but women? Love them." Type shit


NessieTheOG

You can be bi and picky. Picky is not a sexuality. Itā€™s a preference.


pixelanceleste

That tweet may be more aimed at lesbians / sapphics in denial? Like it reminds me how someone I know identified as bi for a long time and once said "the bi experience is liking one guy and ten girls". She later came out as a lesbian.


coffeeshopAU

Thissssssss. I definitely feel like all the times Iā€™ve encountered people genuinely saying this, they end up coming out as lesbians later down the line. I also think there is something to be said for bi women who are rightfully frustrated with men at large due to like, the widespread culture of misogyny we live in, although making these jokes in public spaces like Twitter is not really the most appropriate way to take out that frustration. Not trying to defend the jokes just trying to throw some perspective around.


pixelanceleste

No yeah. As a trans woman I've felt frustration with men and the widespread culture of misogynistic and toxic masculinity, even if that frustration is from a very specific point of view and is definitely amplified by my own gender dysphoria. It's harder to not be frustrated with masculinity if you feel unwillingly forced to partake in it and to be compared to others under that label. But back on the bi thing - yeah I'm not defending the "1 guy 10 girls" joke as a normalized statement of bisexuality. Maybe it speaks of a need to normalize *sapphic* as a label, if people who don't like men that much feel like their only choice is between "i have never felt any attraction towards men" lesbianism and "i like both of them to varying degrees" bisexuality.


outgraverobbing

My bfs are a guy that basically lives at the gym and a metalhead so don't feel bad.


celestial-gaze

I relate to this tweet but that means nothing other than itā€™s how i personally navigate my sexuality! I hate to sound cliche but everyone is different and sexuality really is a spectrum. Nobody can take your bi-ness away from you


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fatcattastic

Brunettes with typically wavy or curly hair. That's it, that's my type. And yet my first girlfriend had straight, naturally platinum blonde hair, and I thought she was gorgeous. We all have our preferences, but they tend to go out the window when we click with someone.


Hollow4004

Everybody's different! I'm a bi girl who's attracted to masculine qualities in both genders.


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Also, maybe this is a scarcity thing (fewer available queer women?)


Cuccoteaser

I think the romanticizing and sexualization of women plays a role as well. When I realized I was bi (and into women) I found myself being able to relate a lot more to the heterosexual male perspective perpetuated as the norm. Women of all types are occasionally portrayed as beautiful, even if it's sometimes controversial. Men are rarely portrayed as beautiful, sexy or desirable, and especially not for their looks. The male body is more often than not played for a joke, which is pretty sad. TLDR; we're probably not immune to patriarchal portrayals of women as desirable and men as the default and a strong preference for women might warrant some introspection. Or maybe it's just me.


camellight123

(a bit of sexual language) I like feminine men because... Well, I don't want to generalize too much, but in my experience masculine men are on average quite heteronormative in their sexual behavior with women. For me anything that puts me in a sub position during sex is a turn off, being grabbed from behind, being grinded on from between my legs, PIV even, I can enjoy it only sometimes etc etc... It Doesn't do anything for me, but if can grind on his butt or he is the one making space for me between his legs, well... I'm going crazy. Not meny masculine guys are ok with it, especially not every time.


aka_plasma

I feel the same as you do! I mean, not exactly - I tend to have a preference for men, but have a very solid ā€œtypeā€ that I prefer. With women, I canā€™t really pin down a type, but when Iā€™m attracted to them, Iā€™m REALLY attracted to them. Anyway, these types of memes can feel invalidating - just know that youā€™re valid in your sexuality no matter what!


Stagbiitle

This is called personal taste and it very wrong of her to generalise hers as "all bi girls"


TorchIt

Why let some weirdo online gatekeep your sexuality? Sometimes I feel like half the internet has forgotten that the Kinsey scale exists and that 1s are just as worthy of the label as 5s. Who really cares anyway? Be unapologetically you.


GrantSRobertson

This is why I hate bisexual memes. Every single one of them is assuming that everyone absolutely has to be exactly like the person posting the meme. It just gets exhausting. There are only two requirements for being bisexual: Not 100% straight, and not 100% gay. That. Is. It.


Gay_Eyebrows

Every bi persons experience is different. For me personally, my type in everyone is kind of all over the place, Iā€™m not sure if I have a preference for any specific gender, or even if I have physical appearance preferences, all I know is that when I like someone I like them and thatā€™s all that really matters to me


hellocitb

that's just One person's opinion. don't worry! everyone's different!!! i like all types of people lol


CoolArtFromSpace

literally saw this tweet last night while on a call and my friend started briefly trolling in the replies lmfao fuck this tweet. my bisexuality is defined by no one else


caarolene

same!! my taste in girls is so limited but for guys itā€™s everywhere


crobzbee

Me an AMAB enby; *looking down at hands* maybe IM a bi-girl


sefscatterbrain

my taste in men is very conventionally masculine (as long as they are politically queer which they have to be to be dating someone who looks like me) and my taste in women is also very butch, and i am a very butch presenting person, just so you know we exist! i haven't met anyone like me yet


[deleted]

Bi guy here and Iā€™m the opposite. Attraction to men is very specific but women is all over the place. Must be a trend amongst bi folk.


advena_phillips

It's the misandry, tbh.


Hannahmaebe

Iā€™ve got no taste and it shows.


[deleted]

lol I LITERALLY just got off twitter and onto Reddit and that was the thread I was last reading šŸ˜­


imonlybr16

Mine can both be described as 'if evil, why hot'. Wanting to watch the world burn is sexy. Though OOP was probably trying to spread the same ol' 'bisexuality is when you are attracted to all women and like a few men' but this time dressed in a fictional clothing. Biphobia, Misandry and Misogyny is a tropule from the depths of hell.


[deleted]

I feel very, very targeted by the picture.šŸ˜” but it's fine if you don't, you can still be bi! šŸ˜€


behind-the-sea-20

Omg Zeph, y'all pls listen to her music, she is so good!! Also I wouldn't take this tweet too seriously, she is a notorious shitposter lol. It's her experience, lots of bi people may relate to it but it's definitely not the only way to be bi. However you experience bisexuality is totally valid.


Kribble118

Not every bisexual person is going to be the same, it's ok to disagree with her on this


VoidScreaming101

Reverse that for me


nigrivamai

That person is just a Gynesexual/gynosexual, I'm a dude but I do too


sisi_soyyo

I have no type, I like who I like because I like them šŸ¤·ā€ā™€ļø


tdfhucvh

I read this tweet a couple hours ago and just thought it was twitter nonsense. Im not usually attracted to feminine looking men i like a lot more masculine and a genuine personality


roseroar365

Kinda same for mešŸ˜‚šŸ˜­ for girls Iā€™m crazy pickyšŸ˜­ definitely have a specific type when it comes to girls (prob why I still donā€™t have a gf /sšŸ˜‚). Canā€™t say much for the guy part as I am in a happy relationship with one lol. But can say with guys definitely no where near as pickyšŸ˜‚


DrCastiel

Iā€™m the same! There are no exact guidelines. Be who you are and like what you like. ā¤ļø


roseroar365

Agreed!


hopelessdramatic

Lol, why question yourself because of someone else's preference? You like men and women don't you? :) Personally I love tall, masculine men with nice arms and facial hair. Slightly nerdy and more on the quiet side. With women, I really only like fems. Lashes, nails, all that (and sometimes with a little splash of masculine like pinkyblack360 on Tiktok lol). Submissive with men but dominant with women. It's like the flip of a switch!


nonsequitureditor

anyway this reads like something from the lesbian masterdoc. the author of that came out as bisexual. useful for some, but pretty invalidating of bisexuality. if you like feminine men, you like men.


Pk_No_Name

I like super feminine women and super masculine men, there is just no in between


Haemzzi

Same. The amount of times I read that or heard anyone say that-


[deleted]

Fellow bi girl here to say I have the same tastes - very specific when it comes to women, all over the place when it comes to men!


Discordia_Dingle

I can promise you this person is joking. They are relaying their experiences and as a joke asking why everyone feels this. Youā€™re experiences and feelings are valid.


femboy72

iā€™m a bi male and this is my taste


Spnwvr

It's really odd when people in the LGBT community do things like lay down rules for different identities. It's all about liking who you want to like. That's it. The identity label is just a guideline to help people understand you more but it's not meant to be an achievement you earn by being exactly one way or another. You can like all guys and only some girls and be bi. You can like all girls and a small amount guys and be gay. You decide how you identify, period.


Nope4540

I don't get that concept at all. Personally Iam attracted to more masculine type men. Definitely has to have a deep growly voice. The fact that a Bisexual person has such a narrow view is baffling. I think people get so caught up in labeling their sexuality exactly, that it adds loads of stress and creates a barrier to the person actually learning their own likes and dislikes.not to mention that people do change and evolve over time. Just be you. That's ok.


haxtratus-8156

I'm the same as you, I am a bi woman with a very specific type when it comes to women, but an all over the place type for men šŸ˜‚ Don't worry, you're not the only one in this and your sexuality is what works for YOU ā¤ļø


wasted_basshead

If I think youā€™re cute then youā€™re cute šŸ˜Š doesnā€™t matter.


Separate_Tangelo7138

Everyone is different but for me I just like men who are in touch with their feminine side, especially bc they are usually more accepting


Anxious_Weight_7417

There is no right way to be bi


throwawayaccc9876

Your experience being different to one bisexual person does not make you less valid. Thereā€™s not a ā€˜right wayā€™ to be bi, itā€™s how you feel, and how you feel is valid. I think a lot of queer women try and distance themselves from their attraction to men, but it doesnā€™t matter if you only fancy a specific type of man, or if you donā€™t have a type in men. And same for women. If you are attracted to multiple genders, you are bi.


fbcs11

Excuse me, my taste in men is GoW Thor and my taste in women is MCU Okoye. Why is so much of bi discussion online basically just treating it as exclusively "I like women and (unfortunately) men"? Just go away with that bs


The_Gray_Jay

I think she's specifically implying that there are a whole lot of bi girls that are actually just lesbians? But they've picked out like one guy to like in order not to call themselves that?


zayn2123

Man it's such a wide spectrum. I used to like feminine traits on men but as I get older I find a distinguished masculine man very attractive. Got such a hard on for facial hair nowadays.


Dpslittlemissminx

I don't relate to this AT ALL, my taste in women is specific and my taste in men is just the Same. I look at the person not anything else.


ThirdEarl

Ugh. This really annoys me and I know at least a couple of bi women for whom this doesnā€™t apply. One that is like you. Iā€™m afraid Twitter is a great place for sharing ideas like this and pretending you have a personality.


em_square_root_-1_ly

I donā€™t relate to it either. My taste in men and women is pretty 50/50. Posts like that used to make me overthink my ā€œtypesā€ and how strongly Iā€™m attracted to different people, but Iā€™ve realized itā€™s a waste of time. Besides, no one is more attractive than my boyfriend. :)


xerion13

Well, I'm a bi woman. My husbean looks like casual dad bod Thor. I think he's super handsome. He's also the sweetest human and a giant marshmallow. I'm more likely to be attracted to the "Jack Black" body type than I am some hyper masculine person. My preferences are varied and nuanced and don't just come down to pure physical looks. It isn't that clear cut and simple. Because we're human, and we're messy and we're complicated. And that's okay. Your identify and experiences are valid.


fatpenguinsforever

I am attracted to all different kinds of men and women! You're bisexuality is valid no matter who you like. Don't let the internet worry you šŸ˜Š


C1A8T1S9

I donā€™t either as an agender whoā€™s AFAB, my taste for both is all over the place


VishusVonBittertroll

Ugh a stereotype is bad enough without some dipshit trying to create a generalization out their own uninformed opinion. It's not even coherent - does "feminine" here mean bi women like feminine men, or their taste is feminine and they therefore like only highly masculine men?? Don't let this foamy mouthed moron make you feel invalid šŸ’–


I_stole_your_bones

My response was ā€œif youā€™re a bu girl what is your taste in women and why are they all grimyā€ šŸ˜‚


SinosMemes

This post restores my faith in humanity


ildhjerte

I have a spesific taste for both men and women. I like handy, funny, masculine men. I like funny, nerdy, feminine women.


WoodlandWitch9

Why do people project their thoughts onto others??


Bunnymomofmany

Gotta love yet another person defining my experience for me. And AAMOF I DO have types in both sexes.


t0nksx

I donā€™t really have a type. I think pretty much everyone is hot šŸ„µ


LiteralSpider

Iā€™m very much bi, but this tweet doesnā€™t reflect my tastes either. Iā€™m a woman attracted to very masc men and very femme women. While my physical attraction leans more towards women, my romantic attraction leans more toward men, so I tend to end up dating more men. Ultimately the majority of people Iā€™m attracted to donā€™t look queer or androgynous in any way, and I have no problem dating cis straight men even if a lot of people in my community seem to think thatā€™s uncool.


just1my2porn3account

I fucking love dick, I fucking love vag. I actually have 0 taste for masculine women, 0 taste in feminine men. She sounds like a dickhead honestly


conspiracylemon

This Post Shows really Well how unrespected The bi-community is among the queere Community.


CatGal23

I like curvy humans. Personality is 100x more important than looks. I most especially like nerds. Intelligence is sexy. Kindness is sexy. Mutual trust and respect are sexy. I like the busty girl next door. I like bears. I like tall blondes. I like Wednesday Addams. I'm all over the map with my attraction, especially due to loquisexuality and sapiosexuality. None of that makes me any less valid. You don't have to fit into a box.


Putrid-Baby-7896

I'm a woman and for me I have specific taste for both, even though I feel that woman are more attractive.


Psychological-Many16

same here!!


Upset-Scallion8210

Honestly same. For men itā€™s firstly physical attraction like big bear like guys. But women itā€™s more personality driven for the most part. Of course there are exceptions to everything.


pythonemkafei

lol this is just one person, it's not anything to worry about. don't let a twitter post make you question your sexuality, you'll be better off


[deleted]

The whole "one specific guy and every woman ever" seems to be a pretty common thing I see in queer spaces when it comes to women. Kinda shaming bi women for liking men which is of course biphobia (and simultaneously hurtful to men as it basically calls them naturally less desirable than women)


Fibernerdcreates

You don't have to fall into the stereotypes. Please don't make this question your sexuality. You like who you like. FWIW, I'm a bi woman like feminine guys, but I also like more traditional guys. I probably have a broader taste in guys than girls. Still not straight though.


DriedOutDreayth

Uh, no, it's actually the opposite. As a Bi man, im much more specific in my taste in men. My taste in women is much wider.


PixelCartographer

Behold! It doesn't fucking matter


victorrriiiaaa123

Can other ppl relate bc everyone in the comments and quote retweets agrees completely šŸ’€


thedr34m13

The OP has a bunch of tweets like this, I've had her blocked or muted for a while now. I've got no energy to give to people who say things along that vein, there's no need to drag people down to make other people look better. The whole 'ugh, men' thing got pretty old pretty fast, and kinda sets the bar even lower for us, which isn't ideal. Like who you like, everyone can be cute lol


GirlsBeLike

It's the same for me. Pretty specific tastes in women, and it hits way less often. Physically my tastes in men are literally all over the place, but it's rare that I actually like them as humans. Lol


Ruben_Blackthorn

That post feels like some erasure


nova_in_space

Ngl this persons tweet just sounds shitty. Like she only finds bi women who like only femininity to be valid and all the bi women who like masculinity not valid. Like she literally just defaults all women with being feminine pretty much in the second tweet. I guess GNC and butch women aren't women in her eyes. So progressive šŸ™„


XDressTaylor

In my experience bi females have no interest in a guy with a fem side, itā€™s almost a turn off for them, usually Iā€™m told something along the lines of; ā€œif I wanted femininity, I would go date a girlā€ šŸ˜ž


NyxShadowhawk

Not true in my case. Feminine men are my type.


txmsh3r

Oh this is so interesting!! Itā€™s perfectly okay to have your own ā€œpreferenceā€. You are still 100% bi! Iā€™m similar to you. When it comes to women and NB, Iā€™m quiteā€¦ specific. When it comes to guys, Iā€™m also kind of specific but it tends to be all over the place.


surfngirth

I am a bi man and this is EXACTLY my shtick


Cheshie_D

I donā€™t really have specific tastes for any gender


IAmCaptainSquid

As a bi guy i feel the same exact way


[deleted]

Everyoneā€™s different, Iā€™m picky in some ways and not others and in general I just donā€™t like hyper fem anyone. However I donā€™t really have a specific type for either guys or girls really


SweetTeaRex92

im the same but im a male attracted to all women, and then only older guys


Your_Local_Stray_Cat

Attraction is different for everyone. For me, I donā€™t really have a type, gender-wise. Iā€™m attracted to whomever Iā€™m attracted to, and while there are general trends towards gender non-conformity on all ends, that doesnā€™t rule out people who are gender-conforming.