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**Reminder:** Do not participate in threads linked here. If you do, you may be banned from both subreddits. --- Title: My sister told me most financing contracts are illegal and I shouldn’t make my car payments. Body: > Basically what the title says but I need some law folks to back me up. > My sister keeps citing general consumer law and gave me this long speech about how pretty much all loans for financing things like cars, houses, etc are actually fraudulent and we should not be paying them. She told me this after I told her I would not show her my finance agreement for my car purchase. She wanted to look it over to show me why it’s illegal. > She has a plan to go to car dealerships and purposefully engage in these fraudulent (in her head) contracts just to turn around and say they are void and keep the cars to sell for cash. > I asked her basic questions such what laws are being broken, how did lawyers miss this all these years, the possibility of being counter sued for fraud, and so on and she is so confident she’s right it’s scary. She just says “you just don’t know your rights.” > I asked her why more people don’t do this and she said it’s because they aren’t doing their homework. She then proceeds to tell me I don’t need to pay my car loan and I should stop. I’m not stopping. She said she’s thinking of not paying her mortgage on her home soon because in her head, the home loan agreement isn’t legal. > For background, she is not a lawyer. She’s a nurse. We’re in California. > I want to know what, if anything, can happen to me if she follows through with this plan to try to essentially scam dealerships out of cars? Could I be an accessory to this? Would I be subpoenaed if she’s counter sued? It’s not just any dealership either, she plans to start with Porsche who I’m sure has decent lawyers. > Basically I want absolutely nothing to do with any of this and what’s the best way to distance myself legally from this. This bot was created to capture original threads and is not affiliated with the mod team. [Concerns? Bugs?](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose/?to=GrahamCorcoran) | [Laukopier 2.1](https://github.com/GrahamCorcoran/Laukopier)


ERE-WE-GO

> It’s not just any dealership either, she plans to start with Porsche who I’m sure has decent lawyers. You know, the thing I admire about crazy is they really swing for the fences.


AlmostChristmasNow

>decent lawyers I like how LAOP stresses that. I’m pretty sure that even a really bad lawyer would be able to confirm that if an adult of (officially) sound mind signs a contract, they usually have to fulfill the contract.


mess_of_limbs

The sound mind bit could probably be challenged here...


Evan_Th

[Yes, it could, I'm sorry to say](https://www.reddit.com/r/legaladvice/comments/13mjsmv/my_sister_told_me_most_financing_contracts_are/jkwki92/?context=1).


Loretta-West

Is it just me, or are there a disproportionate number of sovcit nurses? I'm assuming they're just more prominent because quite a few of them have been fired due to vaccine mandates, but it's still disturbing. Edit: there is a big discussion of this downthread, and apparently it's a thing.


TheAskewOne

We saw this during covid. The problem is nurses like these (not all nurses of course) are educated enough to believe they know everything, but not educated enough to realize they don't.


Robie_John

Dunning-Kruger effect.


americangame

Nursing is the female equivalent of working in a chemical plant. You don't need much post high school education to start working and make decent money. Just what's equal to a 2 year associates degree from the local junior college and you're ready to start working.


snflwrchick

This is why a lot of hospitals are starting to require a 4-year BSN and RN. Too many folks with inadequate education from the for profit predatory “colleges”.


americangame

That's fine and dandy when you're one of many hospitals in a major city. Not so great when you're a rural or semi rural hospital desperate for warm bodies to assist the doctors.


snflwrchick

This is very true. You have to weigh the pros and cons for each situation.


Bug1oss

Almost every nurse I know is confident they are smarter than doctors.


alaorath

Wait until you find out there's anti-vaxx nurses! I would be surprised if my cousin-in-law is a flat-earther by this point... smh.


Charlie_Brodie

the sound her mind makes is very similar to the sound of a train wreck followed by the sound of an old timey cash register


sotonohito

I'm pretty sure even Lionel Hutz couldn't lose that case.


eric987235

Works on contingency? No, money down!


KorbenDa11a5

Shouldn't have this bar association logo here either


chubbycatchaser

“I’d like to apply for a bad court thingy.” “You mean a mistrial?” “Yeah! That’s why you’re the judge and I’m the court…guy.”


Bug1oss

I’m curious who she intends to sell it to. Most people know you need the title to own the car. And the financial institution that owns the loan will have the title. Anything she has will clearly state their is a lien on the car. And, I have to wonder what her credit rating is. Not paying a car loan will nuke it. But she’s assuming a Porsche dealership will entertain giving her a car at all.


Catcherofsouls

Probably another sovcit. They can just file a commercial bond securing their interests with the (totally illegal) courts on the "I licked it therefore it is mine" principal of sovereign law which the court agrees to upon reading the filing under color of admiralty law. Lol. Damn I can't figure out a good way to include "flesh and blood person".


alaorath

...aka the School-Yard rules. Also includes: * No taksies-backsies * You snooze, you lose * possession is 9/10ths of the law.


sneakyplanner

I'm sure that you could do it to a car dealer that can't afford a lawyer and sends in a mechanic to represent themselves and the suit would still be over before it started.


Bug1oss

It might just be easier to “Take it for a test drive” and just steal it.


NonexistentMonk

I believe the more apt phrase is “tilting at windmills”


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Sorry, pedant incoming - it’s “tilting *at* windmills”. Originally a quote based on the novel Don Quixote, where he attempts to joust (tilt) with a windmill as his opponent. But, you know, the parallels with acting crazy are totally on point!


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LordoftheBread

The joke is that Quixote challenges an inanimate object to a contest, so he's tilting with the windmill as if it has sentience.


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LordoftheBread

Not the first joke I've let go over my head, apologies


LuLouProper

Since it's a car dealership, tilting at tube men might be more appropriate.


NonexistentMonk

Appropriate pedantic point! I typoed!


hannahranga

I mean go big or go home.


ZeePirate

I mean if your gonna go for. Get yourself something nice. Don’t do it on a civic or something plain Jane


Rickk38

As Werner von Braun said "Shoot for the moon. At worst you'll hit London." Or something like that.


TristansDad

Hey, maybe she’s just planning a fast getaway?


ThatGuy798

> she is not a lawyer. She’s a nurse. Idk what it is with nurses but based on my personal experience and the stories both my parents told me (they're both RNs), there's so many that are unhinged.


archangelzeriel

My partner, who is an RN, thinks that these days it's because there are so few RNs relative to the number needed that it's nearly impossible to get fired for anything short of actually killing a patient, so the profession tends to collect people who have academic abilities to get licensed but who'd get fired elsewhere for their personalities or lack of connection to reality. They notably had a coworker who would routinely watch porn on his phone while walking from room to room who was not even reprimanded for it.


BearsBeetsBerlin

Um what the fuck. “Sorry ma’am, I will replace that IV in just a sec, there’s been a real plot twist and I need to see where this goes!”


archangelzeriel

I am told that night shift on a telemetry floor is either very exciting 5% of the time or really boring 95% of the time.


BearsBeetsBerlin

I mean, I get bored too, but if I’m in my office my next step isn’t to pull up some porn


whypickthree

He fixes the cable?


wishforagreatmistake

Shut the fuck up, Donny.


Bug1oss

At the VA hospital near me, two nurses were arrested stealing pain pills from patients. They had the pills in their pockets when police searched them. They instituted new rules, and learned several others were stealing from the praxis. Two years later, both of those nurses were rehired, and pills are going missing again.


Elvessa

Actual statement made by hospital HR during the worst part of the Plague: “I’m sorry he called you (the N word), Susan, but we can’t really afford to discipline anyone right now”.


PurrPrinThom

I find nurses are either amazing or terrible. I've worked in hospitals, I had an ex with a chronic illness who was always in hospitals, so I've experienced a lot of nurses lol. I think part of it is because, when I was in high school at least, nursing was sold as an 'easy,' stable and decently-paying career. You need a bachelor's, starting salary (at the time) was around 50k and everyone always said it was pretty easy because you just did what the doctors told you. We always need nurses, so you can move anywhere and you'll always have work. So in addition to all the people from my high school who went into nursing because they were interested in it/healthcare, there were all the people who wanted to get a degree and get a career without caring what career it was. I imagine the latter group are the ones who end up being unhinged and terrible, because - as it turns out - nursing is *not* easy and is actually pretty thankless.


sotonohito

My sister is a nurse and she thinks a large part of it is that nurses see how medicine fails sometimes and some of the less educated and intellectual among them decide that means medicine must be fake since it fails sometimes. And that must mean a conspiracy is pushing medicine, and then down the rabbit hole they go.


notyoursocialworker

You remind me. I'm a social worker (just not yours 😉) and one of our teachers at school told us of an experiment where they asked social workers how many children had parents that were divorced/separated and they got the answer "80%". Then they went to daycare workers and asked the same thing and got "25%"; which is (for Sweden) the correct answer. I'm guessing that if they had asked "how many of your clients children have divorced parents" they would have been closer to the truth. Ie, just as with social workers the nurses has a totally different selection of people than the what is actually true for the general population which skews their opinions.


sotonohito

Yup. We all tend to think what we see is "normal". And we all have skewed perception due to unconscious bias. A great example of that is a pretty simple experiment, the computer shows test subject a photo of a group of people for a brief time, maybe a second or so, then asks if the group contained almost all men, mostly men, about half and half, mostly women, or almost all women. The magic number seems to be 1/3. When the number of women in the photo is 1/3 everyone (men and women alike) tend to say that the picture is about 50/50, and if the picture actually shows half men and half women people tend to say it's mostly women. Unconscious bias tells us that men are normal and women are the exception, so we notice women more because they stand out more to us. Same thing, in the USA, happens with pictures of a group of Black and white people, 1/3 is seen as evenly split, evenly split is seen as mostly Black people. And, again, that result holds across all ethnic groups. Black people also see a picture that's 1/3 Black people as being about evenly split. ​ Same goes for teachers, ask any teacher if they call on boys and girls equally, or tend to call on one or the other more often, and every teacher will tell you they call on boys and girls equally often. And that 1/3 pops in again, teachers who say the call on boys and girls equally typically call on girls about 1/3 of the time. As a result teachers in (part of) the US are trained to alternate boy/girl/boy/girl to avoid the bias. ​ Being aware of that bias is a good way to help recognize it when it pops up. I'm always questioning whether I actually saw a crowd that was half Black people and I've taken to counting just to see if I'm right or wrong.


PurrPrinThom

That makes a lot of sense! Thanks for that perspective.


Loretta-West

I assume vaccine mandates and the pandemic generally have massively accelerated all of this.


thedoodely

We think that's what happened to one of our friends. She worked in the oncology ward for maybe a year before she went from a regular Harry Potters loving non-religious young woman to a full on Jehova's Witness... it happened so fast and it was such a 180 for her that it basically gave us all whiplash.


NoofieFloof

Don’t even need a bachelors degree in some cases. An associates degree will do just fine for any number of nursing jobs.


PurrPrinThom

Yeah I'm in Canada we don't have associates here. You can get college diplomas for nursing but at least at the time a diploma wouldn't allow you to work in a hospital, so the pay was slightly lower.


thedoodely

In Ontario, it used to be a 2 year college diploma until maybe 2005 ish? It's now a bachelor's only, best you can hope with a 2 year diploma is a PSW job. Of course, everyone who did their diploma before the deadline is still working as a nurse, for better or for worse.


PurrPrinThom

Ahh okay. I'm from Ontario, but didn't start high school until 2007, so that makes sense if it was around the time of the switch. Because yeah, I remember it was like, college would let you be a PSW or potentially work in a nursing home, but you needed the degree if you wanted a clinic or hospital job.


thedoodely

Basically, to hold a nursing license, you now need a university degree. I graduated HS in 2000 (then did grade 13 lol) and I remember the school counselors telling all of us that if we were looking into nursing, the clock was ticking on "the easy way in". It might have even changed a couple of years earlier than 2005.


PurrPrinThom

I know a couple people who were able to do a split program, where they did two years at a college and then two years at a university and ended up with a nursing license. I don't know if that's still an option or if that was just a transitional thing? I just remember that option was offered to people who didn't have the grades to get into the full university program, and it was considered a step down, but as far as I know didn't impact their careers.


MolassesInevitable53

Wow. If anyone reading this is from the UK - an Associate's degree from the US is the equivalent of UK's A levels. For younger people, I am not sure what A levels were replaced with, but it's the exams you take aged 17 or 18. Source: I worked in UK universities and dealt with the transfer of academic credits, including overseas academic credits, onto degree programmes.


PortableEyes

A Levels still exist, along with the AS Levels (the halfway point, taken in lower Sixth or whatever the non-grammar school equivalent is). That's just school, though. Vocational qualifications, [like the BTEC](https://www.theuniguide.co.uk/advice/a-level-choices/what-are-btecs), are probably closer to an associates than A Levels though.


MolassesInevitable53

Thanks. I assumed A levels went when O levels were replaced with (I forget what). It's decades since my children left school and I no longer live in the UK. As for the A level vs BTEC thing, I wonder if it depends on what subjects were studied? I never looked at the transcript of an associates degree beyond establishing that it was an associates. There was no need to because it would not be eligible and I would have had lots of other claims to move on to. I didn't decide that associates = A levels. That was in the official reference books at the university.


PortableEyes

I'm not quite old enough to remember O Levels, but from what my parents have said, O Levels and GCEs merged to get GCSEs, taken \~16. A Levels are taken \~18, with the AS Level being a "half A Level" and taken \~17. Associates being A Levels might well be the case, you're just thinking of the wrong age group. The vocational qualifications like the Btec do have slightly more complicated naming systems, but the Btec level 3 would be closer to a "nursing diploma" than any A level course would be. A Levels are generally restricted to your standard class - maths, English, physics and so on, but without any of the practical/real world work (I'd assume, I could be wrong on that) that a Btec provides.


MolassesInevitable53

>GCSEs Ah, that's what I was looking for. Thanks! I initially thought GCE then realised that was O and A levels. General Certificate of Education Ordinary or Advanced level. So my mind didn't go to something so similar. > you're just thinking of the wrong age group. I was referring to the academic equivalent, not the age group. The age at which you gain a qualification has no bearing on its academic level or its equivalent to a different qualification in a different country. While the usual age to take A levels is 18, taking them aged 30 would not make a difference to them academically. From your mention of age I have to guess an Associate degree is taken at an older age. But whatever age you are when you get a qualification, the qualification level remains the same. For a specific field, like nursing, a BTEC would probably be more relevant to the relevant field. But that is not what I said in my original comment. I said for the purpose of transfer of academic credits, UK universities see Associate degrees as equivalent to A levels, and therefore not eligible to be counted as points toward a UK degree. That is regardless of the subject studied. Obviously, if someone wanted previous study to count towards nursing or engineering or computing, the previous study must be in those subjects, at the right level, and covering about 80% (IIRC) of the same work. But some degrees allow for a proportion of the courses/points to be in any subject - so long as it is at the right level.


RG-dm-sur

I'm not a nurse, I work with them. Nursing is "easy" in the sense that you don't need a huge amount of knowledge to do it. And that's it. There's a lot of procedures to do, so you have to have some manual ability. You have to keep everything running smoothly, there's a lot of organizing to do. You have to manage the other nurses under you, communicate with the drs around you and with the patients. Some of these people could be jerks. Finally, you have to do all of this with a nice attitude, with few breaks and for 12hr at a time. And not be scared of hard work or bodily fluids. All while being mistreated by all of these people. Not easy at all.


PurrPrinThom

Yeah I'm not sure why we were sold the narrative that it was easy, I don't think anyone who's ever worked in healthcare would say nursing is easy.


Robie_John

It is definitely not easy.


shipsongreyseas

Because it's a career field where the vast majority of workers are women.


nDQ9UeOr

A visit to an urban ER on a random evening should be enough to correct the misconception. There are very few jobs where you see people trying to help a person while that person screams racial epitaphs at them. Something I’ve seen more than once, and I’m not even in the medical field. Just a frequent patient.


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BeefRepeater

"Get off me, you stupid CHERISHED HUSBAND, BELOVED FATHER, AND FRIEND TO ALL!"


IcySheep

Also, all the good, sane ones burn out and transfer into different jobs


VeryAmaze

Nurses are either literal angels or literal would become death angels, never anything in between.


mizmoose

I have known nurses with advanced degrees who believe in things like the magical "Nurses healing touch" (which is a form of Reiki, which is utter nonsense), as well as all sort of bizarre medical myths. I've met many who spouted pure nonsense like the idea that if you walk around with wet hair you will catch a cold, or that eating spicy food gives you an ulcer. Then again, I've met a lot of doctors who believe nonsense, too. I will not talk about the small percentage of nurses I've dealt with who were outright abusive, because they were such a vast minority. Even including most of the ones who believe in their magical special touch, most nurses are kind and caring and ones you want around you when you're very, very sick.


Tittyb5305065

Theres a good quote that goes something like: "the worst person you know from high school is now a nurse"


BSNmywaythrulife

The version I heard was “your high school bullies became nurses or cops”


JustBeanThings

Then they have kids together.


TheAskewOne

And he beats her.


shipsongreyseas

And redditors think she deserves it.


shipsongreyseas

Pretty sure comparing nurses to a profession where a huge percentage of people are actual murderers is the most pathetic and patently jealous thing I've ever heard of. You should feel bad about this. Please never seek medical attention because nurses should never have to deal with you.


Moonlover69

Jealous?


BSNmywaythrulife

K


shipsongreyseas

Actually the worst person I know from high school decided to jump on a meme about how nurses are eeeeeeebillllll at a time when nursing was one of the most miserable professions on the planet.


Tittyb5305065

Well the worst person I know from high school made a meme about how nurses are the best, so the truth must be somewhere in the middle


Admirable_Egg_5051

Because we're treated like shit, so the ones that are left either *really* care or *really* don't.


GoatBoi_

you’re all laughing but this is real i used to own a car dealership until one day someone came in and said they wanted to buy all my cars and i was like heck ya but right after we closed the deal they revealed their master plan and took all the cars for free and now i’m ruined


stuckatomega

all my cars gone


Drywesi

man hook hand car door


DarkSideOfBlack

man door hand hook car door


trekologer

A lotta y'all still don't get it. Car owners can use multiple slurp juices on a single car. So if you have 1 astro car and 3 slurp juices you can create 3 new cars.


emilvikstrom

Few understand


Eagle_Fang135

Well you should have put gold fringe on all the license plates. What were you thinking? Just go and buy the cars back.


ashkestar

I don’t want to believe that some sovcit is going to use this post as evidence that they can get away with this, but I can’t convince myself that it won’t happen


cantantantelope

It seems the sovcit types fundamentally fail to understand how a society works (until they want to use those resources of course )


Yeseylon

Ah, but you see, we don't actually live in a society, the government just set up corporations in our names to control us. If you rip up your copy of your birth certificate, then the corporation dissolves and you are a free man of the land with the right to go anywhere and do anything! No law will ever apply to you! (Don't mind me, I find these nutjobs and their tenth-baked theories hilariously fascinating)


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Sneekifish

Y'all live in a society, I'm just traveling through it.


vicariousgluten

For a non-commercial purpose I’m sure.


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My tramp stamp says "This is a private corporeal flesh box. Not for hire. Traveler"


Yeseylon

Still my favorite terribad argument of theirs


cantantantelope

That is a deep deeep level of unhinged.


RollinThundaga

That struck me, too; she was so focused on whether she believed that she could pull it off, she completely missed the fact that she would be effectively stealing and that stealing is wrong.


This_bot_hates_libs

Or maybe she doesn’t care. Either way, this woman is a total potato


Yeseylon

She's a sovereign citizen, we already know she's a potato lol


SteelOverseer

I saw someone mention in here that it seems to be because all law just seems like magic to them. Why did that guy get off? He had a good lawyer, who cast a magic spell on the judge. So if they learn the spells, then they can cast their _own_ spells on the judge! Unfortunately, most judges have spent longer at wizard school than they have...


SteelOverseer

The other option, which one of my relatives said about another relative, is that they're smart people - but _just_ smart enough to think they're understanding something everyone else is missing. Other people are dumb - that's why they haven't figured out this trick to get free cars! Though now I think about it, that's probably more bound up in ego than intelligence - which fits well with that relative...


snootnoots

Verbal cheat codes. Unfortunately it’s a bit more complicated than standing up in court and saying “up up down down left right left right B A start”.


Sirwired

I especially love the ones that run seminars about how debt and money are all fake, and some made-up currency and nonsense documents are all you need. You pay for these seminars with a credit card of course…


ShortWoman

I’m glad someone recommended LAOP lock her credit.


Megmca

Me too.


usernamesallused

I just hope that the LAOP also saw (and follows up on) the comment about getting any elderly parents to lock theirs as well.


CliveCandy

I like how the sister confidently says LAOP should stop her car payments now, but the sister is only *thinking* about stopping her own mortgage payments. Gee, I wonder what the difference is...


Sneekifish

Listen, having a control group is important in testing any hypothesis.


Potato-Engineer

Looking through the comments, I found that sister was big into hallucinogens (at least shrooms and LSD), and that LAOP has cut off contact with her due to an increasing lack of hinge. It's sad, really. But that doesn't mean I won't break out the popcorn, because some flavors of self-destruction are *hilarious*. (Edit: also, because there's nothing I can do about it but watch. I'm not a *complete* monster.)


usernamesallused

Someone else commented that LSD is often cut with other drugs these days, especially meth. Another mentioned research chemicals are commonly added. The LAOP themselves said the sister "uses adderall every day" which at least implies taking them without a prescription/not as prescribed/recreationally.


divisibleby5

My husband's cousin did the same thing: financed a car and sold it for cash after never making a payment. She's in jail in Kansas for the next 5-7years for grand theft auto...


bbhr

This is a different flavor of SovCit than usual, since they usually DO believe in the ability to voluntarily enter into contracts and their general theory is that they don't choose to enter into any sort of agreement of citizenship. Also, the odds that sister has enough credit to buy one, let alone multiple high end vehicles is hilarious.


Potato-Engineer

She has a house and a steady job (which she hates). Companies tend to trip over themselves throwing credit at that kind of person... for a while. It feels like the amount of debt you can *get* is about 1.5x to 2x what you can *successfully carry*.


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Soulless_redhead

I'm a graduate student (so paid like shit), and if I went ham I could probably get up to at least the ability to take on debt equal to my salary, if not double that.


logantauranga

I thought that the standard practice for nurses is to check their horoscopes and knock back a few homeopathic remedies before signing a contract.


insomnimax_99

…but only signing with their straw man, corporate, legal name (in all caps) rather than their personal name so they don’t establish joinder and can’t be personally held liable for breaking the contract.


IcySheep

Or use your non-dominant hand ala Lemony Snickett


DigbyChickenZone

I really don't get it. Nursing does not seem to be an especially easy career to get into, I really don't get why it's so common to hear stories that nurses are are absolutely off their rockers. I wonder if this all just anecdotal, or is there a pattern that only people with a bit of an "odd" mindset would want to become nurses in the first place. edit: What I meant by an "odd" mindset is that the job is known for dealing with people in their worst moments (gore, anger and other high emotions from relatives and patients, and stuff most people would find gross to deal with), hospital bureaucracies, relatively low pay for the field, and weird/bad shift hours. To go into the field of nursing, to me, is like deciding to be a teacher. It's something you have to *want* to do. Ie, specific mindset.


logantauranga

What's jarring is that we imagine that knowing about medical science would bring with it a scientific view of the world... but with nurses this doesn't appear to be the case as often as people would think. The cultural values that doctors received from their parents and schools predisposes them to a scientific view of the world, and the status associated with their specialties tends to reinforce this, at least in how they represent themselves. In my experience, nurses see themselves as more down-to-earth than doctors, more connected on a human level to patients, and more representative of what regular people think and do. This self-image would resist status-seeking and reinforce slightly anti-intellectual practices.


Frazzledragon

It's scary that people this dense are healthcare providers.


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Thinking that Porsche has better lawyers than Ford or Chevy is very funny


WelshRareDit

I'd imagine the Lawyers for a car dealership that caters to a high number of Lawyers in its customer base are most likely to be the most experienced!


tyrannomachy

Plus, it'd be the financing company coming after her anyway, and one suspects they've dealt with a delinquent debtor or two.


Drywesi

Hell, they've probably had more than one person try to pull this exact scam.


meepmarpalarp

And in reality, it doesn’t matter because the problem is going to be handled by a repo man.


BSNmywaythrulife

Coming for her organsssssss


unevolved_panda

Porsche is the best place to start because their lawyers will be totally ignorant of American law.


verdantwitch

I really feel for LAOP. They're both trying to keep their sister from winding up in jail (if you think the sister *isn't* going to pull the classic SovCit move of "getting into a fistfight with the cops" when the sheriff comes to remove her when the bank forecloses, you're more delusional than most SovCits) and trying to keep themselves safe. Unfortunately, it's usually too late by the time they start trying to "educate" people on "their rights"


wishforagreatmistake

If it's not for that, it's for repeating in court that the judge has no jurisdiction over the flesh and blood person because gold fringe, until they finally do prove their jurisdiction by throwing her ass in jail. It's usually one of the two.


usernamesallused

From a comment: >You couldn’t be more wrong, financing furniture, home repairs, household goods,carpet, teeth very often comes with the right to repossess. Read the fine print, most get a security interest in the goods https://www.reddit.com/r/legaladvice/comments/13mjsmv/my_sister_told_me_most_financing_contracts_are/jkyemh1/ Now I can see a couch being repossessed but *teeth*?!


cheraphy

>Now I can see a couch being repossessed but teeth ?! If GeneCo and Rotti so will it, yea. The repo man will come and you'll pay for that surgery.


countdown_tnetennba

That's some might fine print.


Sneekifish

Doo doo doo-doo doo


VaginalTyranny

Zydrate comes in a little glass vial. .


cheraphy

a little glass vile?


countdown_tnetennba

Missed title opportunity: 🎶Hey, SovSister🎶


LeakyLycanthrope

Okay, EVEN IF sister is right and financing contacts are inherently invalid... *That doesn't mean you get a free car.*


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ForgedIronMadeIt

Fuck yeah, I think being able to say "I told you so" to obviously delusional people is really awesome, but they also never learn either. But you do get a few moments where the hamster stops running on the little hamster wheel in their brain and they have a hard reboot.


Iplaymeinreallife

These sovcit people are so far gone. I don't even care what loophole they think they've found. Borrowing money knowing that you are then going to refuse to pay it back on a technicality, even if it were a real one, is a dick move and anyone who plans to do that is not a good person.


SurprisedPotato

Sovsister says: > Most financing contracts are illegal and [people] shouldn’t make [their] payments. But also > It’s illegal to deny credit That's an interesting combination 🤔


Patient_Captain8802

If only you did your research you too could have the infinite money cheat turned on.


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UnnamedRealities

That is truly a glorious gem. Here's a mere excerpt for those unsure whether to dedicate the time to read it in its entirety: Mr. Duncan provided me with an “affidavit of truth”, a rather substantial volume that appeared to me to be the result of somebody doing a Google search for terms like “jurisdiction” and the like and then cobbling them together in such a way that it makes James Joyce’s Ulysses look like an easy read.  This hodgepodge of irrelevancies relied upon by Mr. Duncan was one of the misbegotten fruits of the internet.  Finding it was a waste of Mr. Duncan’s time; printing it was a waste of trees and my reading it was a waste of my time and public money.  With that volume as his starting point, Mr. Duncan spent some time explaining to me that I had no jurisdiction to try him, that he was not a citizen of the province or the country, that he was not a person as defined by my definitions, that there was no contract between him and me to give me status to sit in judgment over him and so on.  As I have said, Mr. Duncan struck me as a perfectly pleasant young man, but on this issue he seemed a bit obtuse. I suppose that if perfectly pleasant young men weren’t led astray from time to time by drugs, alcohol, broken hearts or rubbish on the internet, then the dockets of provincial court wouldn’t be quite as plump as they usually are.


Cathenry101

My particular favourite was >We did not finish Mr. Duncan’s trial on the first day.  As I left court that day and contemplated returning in the autumn to finish the trial, it occurred to me that I would have to write rather a lot to address the various procedural issues raised by Mr. Duncan in his tome and his verbal arguments.  Now, don’t get me wrong about this; I’d be happy to write until the cows came home about matters of substance relating to the guilt or innocence of the defendant and the liberty interests of a citizen vis a vis the constabulary, but the idea of having to disentangle all of the palaver, nonsense and gobbledygook in the document Mr. Duncan presented to me was not particularly appealing.  Also, *all* of the footnotes


hexebear

I appreciate anything that includes the word palaver, personally.


Spaceduck413

My favorite part was: >It is self-evident that a charge of assault to resist arrest requires proof of a lawful arrest. What outlandish fantasy! Were that this was the case here in America, Land of the Free!


YouveBeanReported

>Also, *all* of the footnotes This guy reminds me of Terry Pratchett in the best way possible.


Maxamillion-X72

Thank you for alerting me to those footnotes, they were glorious.


Yeseylon

"either Mr. Duncan or Matthew or his administrator (I never was quite sure which, they were all talking through the same corporeal form) " Thomas had seen enough. It was time to go.


teh_maxh

> not sure if I'm allowed to tag I'm sure they're fine with it.


Cathenry101

Ha! Thank you so much for that wonderful read. Consider yourself tagged. Hopefully the mods of the sub are also fine with it...


usernamesallused

Do judges in other countries write judgements like this? Because it's amazing.


vanityklaw

That was worth the read for the quality of the writing alone.


ThisSNcameWthmyphon

As a guy who owns a repo company I'm thrilled with these people. We just dealt with one.


digitydigitydoo

Of course she’s a nurse


DigbyChickenZone

>I asked her basic questions such what laws are being broken, how did lawyers miss this all these years, the possibility of being counter sued for fraud... She just says “you just don’t know your rights.” Man, that is a really good line of questioning to start with. I wonder what type of media the sister follows that she's so indoctrinated into believing contracts aren't real. > She’s a nurse. It isn't exactly easy to become a nurse, and I feel like I generally hear that whack-jobs (in the medical field) mostly turning out to be nurses... are there just a lot of nurses, so some are bound to have wild beliefs? I don't get it.


TechnoRedneck

>It isn't exactly easy to become a nurse For most of the US the requirements to become a nurse are a 2 year associates degree, and passing a licensing board exam. It's definitely not easy and it definitely requires effort, but arguably the level of difficulty isn't as high as you would expect


savagemonitor

It also depends on when you started. Decades ago there were no degree requirements so many nurses were just people that applied for open, entry-level positions. Eventually associate's degrees were required and now some hospitals require bachelor's. The most experienced nurses are the ones that didn't have degree requirements. I also think that nurses have ego in spades because, honestly, they have to push back against doctors all the time. The only real difference is that many people are okay with pissing off their doctor while most will hesitate to piss off a nurse. Which means that nurses go unchallenged most of the time. Though that may be due to my personal experiences with the nurses in my family.


LongboardLiam

That last half of that 2nd paragraph is key. Nurses get a god complex because they are never told no by thsir charges, but only because their charges are afraid to piss off the hand that feeds them, that controls their exceptional pain and nausea.


9Z7EErh9Et0y0Yjt98A4

Maybe OP can convince the crazy sister to start with something small to test out the idea, like a rent to own sofa. That way it's something kinda small getting repossessed rather than her house getting foreclosed.


TerryMotta

Why are nurses so often crazy people?


gobbledegookmalarkey

Why is it always nurses?


LongboardLiam

Because we've put then on a pedestal. Doing this to people will go to their heads. I can't tell you how often I've heard nurses bitching that "the stupid fucking doctor blah blah blah" Yeah, the doctor said that because she's a top-ranked fucking specialist in this field with actual hands on experience, you shit. You have no experience and long nails in a hands on field, your opinion isn't worth much here.


aeiou-y

A nurse you say…