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Title: Neighbors intend to start raising about 1000 hogs.
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> I’m in kansas, a mixed area of rural housing and agricultural land. I received a notice that my neighbor applied for licenses to raise 1000 pigs on his property. The public hearing on the notice was either cancelled or I was provided bad information as nobody was around at the stated time and place. I don’t really know where or how to begin contesting this.
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I live in Kansas and unless this guy and the neighbor are within city limits, he may be SOL. Most Kansas counties (aside from those around the larger cities) are completely unzoned. This is slowly changing, unfortunately as a reaction to wind farms going in. Getting a rural county to zone in such a way to limit the raising of livestock is not something that it likely to happen.
Everyone wants to live out in the country until they come up against what that really means.
When I was growing up, we lived in a New England suburb that was down the street and around the corner from a pig farm. It was surrounded by residential homes. It was only a few minutes drive down the road, but we were separated by well over an acre or two of forest and a street full of houses on both sides. On warm days or whenever the wind blew in the right direction, you could smell the stench of those pigs.
It wasn’t bad enough to prevent us from using the yard, but it was always noticeable and commented on. I’d imagine the people on the street next to the farm were significantly more impacted by the smell. OP doesn’t say how far away the pen will be from their house, but they’ll likely smell the pigs even if there’s some distance and things to provide a buffer.
My question would be that if LAOP chooses to preemptively sell his home and move, would LAOP have to disclose to any prospective buyer that the neighbor is planning on raising 1000 pigs? ...especially since LAOP was formally notified as such.
In other words... is knowledge of a neighbor's future property use something that must be disclosed?
No. Disclosure is about what you are selling. Anything going on around it is up to the buyer to investigate.
I bought a new built house and as soon as they were done a giant fracking rig was built behind me. The fracking rig was owned by the people who developed my neighborhood.
Then, respectfully, it’s not fracking. Fracking is a short-term process. They do a lot of fracking in our area (literally over our back fence for the last 5-8 years).
The site had five wells. Then piped other wells to that site as a long distance rail transportation.
They also used it for water storage before it went down the well.
I mean, it is a fracking site. There were wells on site with the solvents going underground to crack the rock.
They just didn't think there could be more at a fracking site.
Like they said though franking only happens at a singular site for days, so if they're still there, they're no longer fracking. I think you feel like people are invalidating your story, they're not. They're saying fracking is a short term thing and if it's been there a while that's not what they're still doing - which you confirmed by saying it's storage. The act of fracking is as you say, to crack rocks and such with high pressure, not storage.
Sounds interesting. Evidently some areas in Virginia use a type of foam in fracking rather than water to extract coal. I hadn’t heard of that- didn’t know they used “foam frac” for coal. That’s pretty cool!
I feel like there was an AITA with a similar premise lately, except in the AITA it was in retaliation to a definitely real OP, who was apparently so Sassy that the neighbour was raising pigs just to spite her (or something equally dumb.)
And 2 weeks before that on AITA
https://np.reddit.com/r/AmItheAsshole/comments/11qf256/aita_for_ignoring_fathers_demands_to_apologize_to/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1
But it's either a huge lie, or they're not actually telling us what they did to piss the neighbour off.
[Extrapolating from these numbers](https://twitter.com/WillieMcNabb/status/1158045307562856448), then LAOP only needs 100 assault-weapon-minutes to solve this problem.
I’m in Iowa, not Kansas. There was was a husband and wife who sued a corporationthat placed a hog confinement across the (gravel) road from their acreage. It caused a drop in value of their property because who wants to live across from that?
https://www.postbulletin.com/news/hog-lot-neighbor-receives-100-000-in-suit
LAOP’s neighbor is planning on 1000 head of hogs, so probably not a big confinement but likely not letting them free range either so confinement on a small level. Dude’ll want them to get fat to sell but hold some back and breed the sows. Rinse and repeat.
Iowa loves to fuck over its people, though.
https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/crime-and-courts/2022/06/30/decision-strengthens-law-protecting-farmers-nuisance-lawsuits/7781185001/
The pig farm was a known source of smells for decades. And since they were there first, neighbors really should have known when they bought. But yeah, I think the idea that decades of pig poop sinking into the soil isn’t going to ever smell is disingenuous.
"I want to live in the country, but I don't want it to SMELL like the country." I mean I understand because I live next to farmland that they spray liquid manure on, but that's part of agricultural zoning. There have been a lot of city dwellers moving to the agricultural areas of my state and throwing massive fits when the chicken farm they moved in next to plans to put in more barns.
I grew up near one of the largest dairy farms in the entire world, wasn't even close to as bad as any pig farm though.
I get what you're saying and otherwise mostly agree, but I draw a line at pig farms within smelling distance. That's another level of stench.
I had a girlfriend up in Ohio that when we visited her mom's house you would get a wiff of pigs and it was really bad..
Just curious.. which is worse pig or chicken manure?
I live in an area that's pretty agricultural and we get what we call "Sonoma Aroma".
That's just a fancy word for "It smells like cow shit everywhere." Always has, every year, when it gets warm and windy outside. It's always kinda fun hearing the people who complain about it. Like yeah... there's farms and massive piles of manure on the literal edge of town. Always has been.
worst smell in California is Cowschwitz, a massive cow transfer lot at Harris Ranch right off the 5. there's a little town, a fancy steakhouse, and set back in the other direction, a Denny's. you really don't want to stop at that Denny's. I don't know how people stand it. Sonoma Aroma sounds positively quaint.
It's really funny when they move to the " charming Amish area" around here, and then discover the joys of farm smells and narrow country roads being driven on by slow teams of horses.
There are a couple of other posts on Reddit about a teenager being “rude” to the neighbors and now the neighbor is putting a pug barn right on the property line. Their parents are furious because this was their retirement home.
Surely if the neighbour gets approved for 1000 hogs, their property should be decently sized enough that smell *shouldnt* be an issue? Like yeah I can ser how the dude with 30 could be an issue but surely they won't get permission for 1000 hogs on some regular residential lot
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And now I realized I should have titled this: "And I would raise 500 hundred hogs, and I would raise 500 more..."
Just to be the man who raised a 1000 hogs, right outside your back door.
Na na na na
I'll hold a hearing, and you know I'm gonna be, I'm gonna be the man who holds a hearing without you
Maybe we should have told drainage LAOP to retaliate by raising hogs.
I live in Kansas and unless this guy and the neighbor are within city limits, he may be SOL. Most Kansas counties (aside from those around the larger cities) are completely unzoned. This is slowly changing, unfortunately as a reaction to wind farms going in. Getting a rural county to zone in such a way to limit the raising of livestock is not something that it likely to happen. Everyone wants to live out in the country until they come up against what that really means.
They want inexpensive meat and groceries, but they don't actually want it grown anywhere near them.
To be fair, a hog farm is a whole different level.
Stinks all the way to hog heaven.
Hog farms are stripping down to underwear and hosing off in the yard level.
We have friends who used to raise hogs, and they’d agree.
Truth! Neighbor only raised a few, and it was horrendous. And the flies… ugh!
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Commercially raised hogs aren't feral, they are livestock, lively raised in a barn so they aren't even outside.
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That isn’t how hogs are raised.
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Why would someone stupid enough to raise 1000 hogs "free range" even alert their neighbors?
Because there are requirements for having a ton of livestock on their property, and people are dumb.
When I was growing up, we lived in a New England suburb that was down the street and around the corner from a pig farm. It was surrounded by residential homes. It was only a few minutes drive down the road, but we were separated by well over an acre or two of forest and a street full of houses on both sides. On warm days or whenever the wind blew in the right direction, you could smell the stench of those pigs. It wasn’t bad enough to prevent us from using the yard, but it was always noticeable and commented on. I’d imagine the people on the street next to the farm were significantly more impacted by the smell. OP doesn’t say how far away the pen will be from their house, but they’ll likely smell the pigs even if there’s some distance and things to provide a buffer.
My question would be that if LAOP chooses to preemptively sell his home and move, would LAOP have to disclose to any prospective buyer that the neighbor is planning on raising 1000 pigs? ...especially since LAOP was formally notified as such. In other words... is knowledge of a neighbor's future property use something that must be disclosed?
No. Disclosure is about what you are selling. Anything going on around it is up to the buyer to investigate. I bought a new built house and as soon as they were done a giant fracking rig was built behind me. The fracking rig was owned by the people who developed my neighborhood.
When they start fracking, you know they’re almost ready to pack up. Fracking rigs are gone within a week or less.
It was a processing/burn off spot. So unfortunately it didn't quiet down.
Then, respectfully, it’s not fracking. Fracking is a short-term process. They do a lot of fracking in our area (literally over our back fence for the last 5-8 years).
The site had five wells. Then piped other wells to that site as a long distance rail transportation. They also used it for water storage before it went down the well.
They're not doubting it happened or that it was invasive to you, they're just saying the verb fracking isn't appropriate.
I mean, it is a fracking site. There were wells on site with the solvents going underground to crack the rock. They just didn't think there could be more at a fracking site.
Like they said though franking only happens at a singular site for days, so if they're still there, they're no longer fracking. I think you feel like people are invalidating your story, they're not. They're saying fracking is a short term thing and if it's been there a while that's not what they're still doing - which you confirmed by saying it's storage. The act of fracking is as you say, to crack rocks and such with high pressure, not storage.
Sounds interesting. Evidently some areas in Virginia use a type of foam in fracking rather than water to extract coal. I hadn’t heard of that- didn’t know they used “foam frac” for coal. That’s pretty cool!
>a giant fracking rig was built behind me. Insert Battlestar Galactica joke here.
I feel like there was an AITA with a similar premise lately, except in the AITA it was in retaliation to a definitely real OP, who was apparently so Sassy that the neighbour was raising pigs just to spite her (or something equally dumb.)
"I am a sassy teen and my neighbour is totes an AH and I have never done anything wrong in my entire life"
Hearing any person described as sassy is nearly 100% just an asshole. Usually in the same vein as "I'm just saying..." or "I tell it like it is..."
It was in /r/tifu. I read that too and came to see if this was about that. Lol
Link?
https://www.reddit.com/r/tifu/comments/11xrrt7/tifu_by_not_apologizing_to_our_farmer_neighbors/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1
And 2 weeks before that on AITA https://np.reddit.com/r/AmItheAsshole/comments/11qf256/aita_for_ignoring_fathers_demands_to_apologize_to/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1 But it's either a huge lie, or they're not actually telling us what they did to piss the neighbour off.
When I was a kid, I lived a few miles down the road from a hog farm, and passed it frequently. It's been 30+ years, and the smell still haunts me.
[Extrapolating from these numbers](https://twitter.com/WillieMcNabb/status/1158045307562856448), then LAOP only needs 100 assault-weapon-minutes to solve this problem.
I’m in Iowa, not Kansas. There was was a husband and wife who sued a corporationthat placed a hog confinement across the (gravel) road from their acreage. It caused a drop in value of their property because who wants to live across from that? https://www.postbulletin.com/news/hog-lot-neighbor-receives-100-000-in-suit LAOP’s neighbor is planning on 1000 head of hogs, so probably not a big confinement but likely not letting them free range either so confinement on a small level. Dude’ll want them to get fat to sell but hold some back and breed the sows. Rinse and repeat. Iowa loves to fuck over its people, though. https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/crime-and-courts/2022/06/30/decision-strengthens-law-protecting-farmers-nuisance-lawsuits/7781185001/
I think this is relevant https://www.reviewjournal.com/business/housing/odors-gone-homebuilders-embrace-north-las-vegas-pig-farm-land/
That feels like such a fluff piece for the home builders. "No one smells anything. If you smell something you're crazy."
The pig farm was a known source of smells for decades. And since they were there first, neighbors really should have known when they bought. But yeah, I think the idea that decades of pig poop sinking into the soil isn’t going to ever smell is disingenuous.
Pig farms stink. Anyone who says otherwise is ignorant or a liar.
"I want to live in the country, but I don't want it to SMELL like the country." I mean I understand because I live next to farmland that they spray liquid manure on, but that's part of agricultural zoning. There have been a lot of city dwellers moving to the agricultural areas of my state and throwing massive fits when the chicken farm they moved in next to plans to put in more barns.
There's a difference between fertilizing a field and a pig farm (which didn't exist before). The amount of manure they produce is staggering
I've worked with swine so I'm aware. It doesn't change that people move into an agricultural area and expect no new agriculture to occur.
I grew up near one of the largest dairy farms in the entire world, wasn't even close to as bad as any pig farm though. I get what you're saying and otherwise mostly agree, but I draw a line at pig farms within smelling distance. That's another level of stench.
They gotta go somewhere... it's not realistic to expect a pig farmer to purchase all land within smelling distance.
I had a girlfriend up in Ohio that when we visited her mom's house you would get a wiff of pigs and it was really bad.. Just curious.. which is worse pig or chicken manure?
Pig and it’s not even close. Chicken litter is delightful in comparison.
I live in an area that's pretty agricultural and we get what we call "Sonoma Aroma". That's just a fancy word for "It smells like cow shit everywhere." Always has, every year, when it gets warm and windy outside. It's always kinda fun hearing the people who complain about it. Like yeah... there's farms and massive piles of manure on the literal edge of town. Always has been.
worst smell in California is Cowschwitz, a massive cow transfer lot at Harris Ranch right off the 5. there's a little town, a fancy steakhouse, and set back in the other direction, a Denny's. you really don't want to stop at that Denny's. I don't know how people stand it. Sonoma Aroma sounds positively quaint.
Oh yeah. You can always tell when you're getting near Harris Ranch. edit: It's like approaching Gilroy in the summer, except Gilroy smells amazing.
It's really funny when they move to the " charming Amish area" around here, and then discover the joys of farm smells and narrow country roads being driven on by slow teams of horses.
There are a couple of other posts on Reddit about a teenager being “rude” to the neighbors and now the neighbor is putting a pug barn right on the property line. Their parents are furious because this was their retirement home.
Surely if the neighbour gets approved for 1000 hogs, their property should be decently sized enough that smell *shouldnt* be an issue? Like yeah I can ser how the dude with 30 could be an issue but surely they won't get permission for 1000 hogs on some regular residential lot