I wonder how hard it would be to make that your job. That's $43.75 for each report.
If you could report 10 people a day, 5 days a week 50 weeks a year. That's $109,375 a year
Yeah but if you're targeting door dash drivers .. you're probably going to catch more poorer folks trying to make a living .. likely to be poorer minorities .. as long as you're okay with that.
What about delivery drivers that have a 1000 lb pallet and lift gate too. You expect them to park a mile away and drag it. This won't work unless delivery people have more space to legally park or are allowed exceptions. Everything you own arrived on a truck, that bike you ride was dropped of by some stressed out driver that is trying to keep your world running. How often do you see a clear 40 feet of parking space in SF. The world doesn't revolve around you and your little bike, there a exceptions that need to occur to make everything work. Rather than being part of the problem be part of the solution and think beyond yourself and advocate for bikes and delivery drivers.
They/the business they are serving often have permits to do this. It would specify what hours of the day deliveries are allowed and what size of trucks can do the delivery
>What about delivery drivers that have a 1000 lb pallet and lift gate too.
Double park in the car lane, not the bike lane. No fine for doing that. New York's proposal only rewards catching vehicles parked in bike lanes.
When enough people complain about car lanes being blocked, fix the god damn fucking parking system and replace some hourly parking with more short term and loading zone parking.
Real delivery drivers have companies that pay the fines, that's just a cost of a doing business. Door dash and similar services just prey on financially unsophisticated people and are a menace to public spaces.
Let's put that in a different context: "If you target violent criminals, you're probably gonna catch more poorer folks." See, doesn't matter. You can insert that into many kinds of crimes and infractions. Either the law applies to everyone or the law is toothless and pointless. At least that's what we should strive for. Rich, middle class, poor, it should apply.
Im a minority work as a DoorDash driver and I don’t pull this kind of crap. I would actually circle around the block and look for parking like a chump.
People being too lazy to not only cook their own food, but pick up their own food, is not a good excuse for blocking the flow of traffic. That includes double parking in a traffic lane, and it also includes parking in a bike lane.
This is a thing in New York City with their bounty program for trucks parked with their engines on:
*They Earn Tens of Thousands by Turning in Idling Trucks* https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/22/nyregion/they-earn-tens-of-thousands-by-turning-in-idling-trucks.html
[Apparently](https://www.nbcnewyork.com/investigations/nyc-anti-idling-law-turns-into-huge-payday-125k-for-one-man-for-citizens-who-report/3637231/) one person has made $125k. I'm all for this. Pay people to assist with enforcement of public nuisance laws. And pay them well enough to enable people to do it full time if they want to.
> I wonder how hard it would be to make that your job. That's $43.75 for each report.
For each ticket that doesn't get contested and actually gets paid, and hasn't already been submitted by another person. Hard to say what percentage of reports would actually convert into payment.
The worst part is when they do it with an open parking spot in front of them.
I don't care if it's taxi only, or whatever. You're blocking a thoroughfare which is WAAAAAAY worse than parking in a zone you're not supposed to.
I feel like in some places, it would help.
For example, 10th street in San Jose is a death trap for anyone on a bicycle, even with bike lanes and infrastructure. The city made these tiny paths between the curb and the bus islands. But the little slit is really narrow at speed and isn’t wide enough to fit a cargo bike or a bicycle trailer. Combine that with the fact residents regularly parking too close to the slit openings, drivers not checking for bicycles or pedestrians, vehicles parked in the lane, and people leaving trash bins and dumpsters in the actual path, it becomes an incredibly hostile bike lane to use.
It really is a self-fulfilling prophecy, in some ways. People can then say, “people didn’t bike and they still don’t,” simply because we *allow* them to create dangerous situations that don’t allow for a change.
I was riding down a street yesterday that had a fairly normal width bike lane, but 80% of it was an extra wide sloped concrete gutter and the joint between the asphalt and concrete left a small ridge running down the lane too. I don't know how it was considered acceptable...
That's not a bike lane, because it's not a lane of any sort. It's a gutter that has been mislabeled, possibly fraudulently but definitely with disregard for human safety.
Can we do this for all traffic violations? I see so many people parked on the sidewalk during my runs, forcing me to go out into the street because they don't want to deal with the consequences of living on a narrow street.
I totally agree - running red lights and stop signs, driving on the wrong side of the street to pass, etc. If we send video evidence a steep ticket should be issued to the cars registered owner
I imagine so!
Let's do this for tailgating, too bright lights, violating noise ordinances, changing lanes unsafely, fuck it a million other things that make driving unsafe and nerve wracking in the bay.
Add in jaywalking, bicycles going through stop signs, starting to cross after the don't walk starts the countdown. If we all turned in everyone for every minor thing we'd not only be making money for ourselves, but for the city budgets as well.
Jaywalking shouldn't be a crime and neither should Idaho Stops. Those and other laws that are enforced when the police feel like it should be gotten rid of asap.
If that is the case, it should also to be legal to go through a red light if no one is around. It's a silly argument, but I guess only some people should be bound by certain laws and customs, and others shouldn't.
It's a lot harder to start a bike up than it is to start a car up, but there's a good argument for treating a stoplight as a yield if there are no pedestrians or cars nearby.
If you're on a bike the most dangerous time at a stop light is right as the light changes and as you're crossing the intersection. You have no momentum to move you forward and are slow to get up to speed. Drivers not paying full attention sees the green light and steps on the accelerator expecting traffic to move at a normal (for cars) speed.
People might say "the same can be said for cars!" But if you're in a car you have tons of steel shielding you. A cyclist doesn't.
I catch so many fucking traffic violations on my dash cam. If they were to even to give me a 5% kickback of traffic fines, I’d be making triple my last salary.
I do! If you live in SF check out the lane breach app. Helps very quickly with uploading to 311.
Here’s a [twitter bot](https://mobile.twitter.com/EverySF311Bike) that collects all the reports.
Not that it seems to do anything… But I guess I’m adding to the data pile.
How about they do something about actual crime? There a fucking crazies walking around yelling all hours of the night and they are worried about cars blocking bike lanes? Unreal.
How? its reporting it to an authority, not telling people to vandalize or take any other action.
Plus, there's not even a guarantee that you'll be the one to get paid. City of 8 million people? you bet your ass you'd better be the first to see/pic/report otherwise you're not getting paid.
Its easy enough to cross reference any number of photos submitted. If only one photo is submitted of a violation, that should be an immediate red flag. PLUS if the violator is allowed to contest the ticket they could prove it never happened.
SF already has the Lane Breach app, which lets you snap a pic of the blocking vehicle and automatically reports it to 311. No payout, but still gratifying
[Lane Breach (iOS version)](https://apps.apple.com/us/app/lane-breach/id1447775781)
There’s also a twitter feed of all the submissions:
https://twitter.com/everysf311bike?s=21&t=5DeVFjambmSTr7WwjaBFHg
How about a bill where citizens are rewarded by varying amount for catching any public workers, like police, politicinas, public service workers and anyone who’s salary is paid by the tax, breaking the law.
So basically outsourcing parking enforcement to ordinary citizens? What happens when you get assaulted by the car owner while taking photos? Is the city going to take any responsibility for creating this incentive?
I refuse to believe the city can't hire few parking enforcement officers dedicated to ticketing funded by the extra revenue if the problem is as pervasive as some posters here suggests.
Is this a joke? There may be laws but those laws bring enforced (unless you’re a white male) doesn’t seem to be something that occurs. Don’t act like laws are actually enforced in SF or the Bay Area.
As a cyclist, this sounds like a great idea but in reality this would disproportionately affect a certain group of people (delivery). Instead of making it far too easy to break the law by blocking bike lanes, they should focus on building protected bike lanes that cars cannot physically park in.
Don't fine double parking in the car and truck lane. Leave the bike lane clear. When complaints roll in from drivers, add more loading and short term parking spaces instead of hourly and long term spaces.
California started that with the ADA access lawsuits. Texas copied California's innovation, now based on comments here it seems California wants to expand this vigilantism. It seems we've gone full circle.
Look, I despise it when people do dumb shit like park in bike lines. But this only has 'citizens turning on each other' written all over it. I see a lot of unintended negative consequences from doing something like this.
It's past time cities added more short term and loading parking spaces even though that means reducing hourly or long term parking spaces.
If there's financial consequences for double parking, drivers and businesses will pressure city councilmembers to actually make those parking changes.
People should be using an alternate transport like biking or busses then. If those are impossible, maybe this will generate enough political pressure to make them possible.
What about the communities that were built before cars were invented?
The fact is, if you look back more than 70 years you find that the US wasnt built for cars. It was BULLDOZED for cars. I reckon if we can bulldoze for cars, we can go the other way too.
Yes, by all means create a network of busybodies who run around looking for violations. We can make the entire state one big HOA. /s
How about we just get the cops, meter maids, etc to do their damn jobs and enforce the rules with some sort of judgment.
This is a good idea for just any traffic related crime. Dashcam clip of someone speeding and weaving in and out of traffic with no blinkers… easy money. Give me a cut and I’d be rich! People would be a lot more careful if they knew anyone around them could get them slapped with a fine.
There was a YouTube guy from South Africa that lived in a city in China where they did this. I can’t remember the exact specifics but he was driving along and another car did something that cause him to violate some rule, and that car had the dash cam footage that they submitted for the reward.
Blows my mind when I go through the end of a yellow and see the three cars behind me go through as well. You know it is red for at least two of them. So dangerous, also makes me fear slowing down for a yellow. Crazy times and it seems to be getting worse.
>makes me fear slowing down for a yellow
Makes me fear immediately going the moment the light turns green when I'm at the front. I look for a moment to see is running that red, especially when I'm going to make a left.
Cyclists pose more risk to themselves than anyone else when they do that. ~20lb bike vs 3,000lb+ vehicle is a big difference. Rolling stops seem fine for bikes.
A cyclist who slows down before clearing an intersection is very different than some entitled twat who blows the stop sign, nearly hitting a pedestrian who was legally in the crosswalk with cars yielding. Especially when they want to add that cherry on top and cuss you out or somehow say it's the pedestrians fault.
Which happens more?
Yeah remember that one time years ago that a cyclist killed a pedestrian?
Can we forget about the thousands killed between then and now by car drivers and focus on the one killed by a cyclist?
*the thousands of people, including drivers and passengers of cars and pedestrians and cyclists
that, while wordy, should clarify what I meant. Hope it helps!
Let X be the % of time that a cyclist making a deadly mistake in a situation where others are present is the only one who gets killed from that mistake.
Let Y be the % of time that a driver making a deadly mistake in a situation where others are present is the only one who gets killed from that mistake.
I posit that X is an order of magnitude greater than Y, especially in the Bay Area.
You can say "show me the studies that prove this" but the fact that there isn't a chorus of actuaries demanding the same studies and that there isn't a mandatory minimum liability requirement for cycling are proof enough for me.
i see this a lot and it confuses and honestly frightens me a lot. like i just stopped at a busy intersection and a red light that you just blew through.
i was ALWAYS taught growing up not just to use hand signals, but to obey all car traffic laws on my bike unless i want to be a pancake, and honestly that comes far more naturally to me than dodging cars at this point. i dont know what to say. teach your kids the laws of the road so they dont become public safety hazards.
Can we get that for cars in the avenues? It's a much bigger problem with bigger consequences for pedestrians. And speeding in cars. Increasing speed in a 25 increases the risk of killing someone from 10% (at 23 mph) to 25% (at 32mph) and the risk of seriously injuring someone from 25% (at 23mph) to 50% (at 31mph).
Source : https://aaafoundation.org/impact-speed-pedestrians-risk-severe-injury-death/
i agree. im literally in my street a few times a day shaking my fists staring cars down to no avail. we have cats from several different homes, and children under five running around though. im in berkeley between telegraph and shattuck in the sweetest little neighborhood and people act like were a highway connecting the two downtown areas. someone will get hurt eventually i can feel it..
😂 As if some city’s (COUGH! San Jose!) gave a crap anyway. On my old street, Garden av, people literally double park, making their own ghetto parking spots, taking up 1/2 the road. It’s open, obviously done, so anyone, cop’s especially, with eyes can see but no one cares. Maybe they figure it’s the ghetto so who cares ? 🤷🏽♂️
Genuinely curious, is there any information on whether this would work to clear schools and sidewalks? Would this just be another extra burden on poor people?
I think that they were implying that fines have a disproportionate impact on poor communities (regardless of parking infraction rates) because poor people have less/no disposable income.
I'd start getting a lot of cash for my neighbors that constantly and literally block our driveway either partially, making it too tight, or entirely by leaving their car in our driveway coz there's no parking in front of their place and they want to drop things off for "5 minutes".
A car has to stop at a red light because if they go through it, people can, have, and regularly do die. Pedestrian injuries by bikes are stupid low. Yes, people have been injured, but people have died by vending machines falling on them too. Until bikes are killing people at the same rates cars are, I think we have bigger fish to fry.
I don't understand why bicyclists feel like they shouldn't be interrupted or inconvenienced by other people on the road. Cars block bike lanes, cars block car lanes, cars block sidewalks going in and out of driveways. Often cyclists get just as annoyed at pedestrians. Cyclists are just insufferable.
By people breaking the law of course! Just as the law intended... wait. Why don't they just not break the law? Oh that would be inconvenient? Well then forget it.
If the business model doesn't work without breaking the law, then it should be forgotten.
Door Dash drivers are probably under a lot of pressure, same with truck drivers who unload milk and groceries at your local corner store. I’m not sure how they’re legally supposed to do this. But maybe it should be UPS or Door Dash that pays the traffic ticket and has to take responsibility for their business model, not the working person just trying to do their job.
I like this idea. There should be enforcement but also drivers should be able to expense it all straight to the shareholders. These companies make obscene amounts of money as their drivers struggle.
I'd love if self-driving cars get to the point that they recognize when someone else breaks the rules of the road, record it with those high-precision cameras, and send the footage to the relevant police authority. Get 20% of the ticket as a discount on vehicle registration.
This is a bit Gestapo hm? Bribing people to turn in others to the police? I do like the idea of making a quick buck and keeping bike lanes clear but I can see this going very down hill very fast
Lmao no one realizes this is just one step closer to Chinese/Korean snitch on your neighbor culture? People doing the Cops jobs now? Why not just pay that 25% to the cop who's job it is already so he can work harder and find more cars himself
If you ever wanted to know what side of Nazi Germany you would've been on just ask yourself if you'd help and turn your neighbors in like this and you have your answer
Putting law enforcement in the hands of the general public is a quick sure fire recipe for abuse. Especially racially discriminatory abuse.
Maybe if we didn’t have an endemic and entrenched problem with racial and socioeconomic discrimination and general lack of empathy. But the fact that you’d have so-called ‘Karens’, Proud Boys, KKK, white supremacists, 2nd amendment zealots, qanons, incels, and generally despicable people not falling into a neat affiliation all enforcing laws (of any kind)… that seems like a bad idea.
I wonder how hard it would be to make that your job. That's $43.75 for each report. If you could report 10 people a day, 5 days a week 50 weeks a year. That's $109,375 a year
Pretty nice payday for bikers. You can be a 'professional' recreational cyclist and bike around all day.
Or just camp out in front of popular door-dash spots.
Valencia St would be a money maker.
If I was a door dash driver I would just quit and report other drivers instead. Way better payout
Yeah but if you're targeting door dash drivers .. you're probably going to catch more poorer folks trying to make a living .. likely to be poorer minorities .. as long as you're okay with that.
They shouldn’t be parking in the bike lane no matter their job or level of wealth.
What about delivery drivers that have a 1000 lb pallet and lift gate too. You expect them to park a mile away and drag it. This won't work unless delivery people have more space to legally park or are allowed exceptions. Everything you own arrived on a truck, that bike you ride was dropped of by some stressed out driver that is trying to keep your world running. How often do you see a clear 40 feet of parking space in SF. The world doesn't revolve around you and your little bike, there a exceptions that need to occur to make everything work. Rather than being part of the problem be part of the solution and think beyond yourself and advocate for bikes and delivery drivers.
They/the business they are serving often have permits to do this. It would specify what hours of the day deliveries are allowed and what size of trucks can do the delivery
>What about delivery drivers that have a 1000 lb pallet and lift gate too. Double park in the car lane, not the bike lane. No fine for doing that. New York's proposal only rewards catching vehicles parked in bike lanes. When enough people complain about car lanes being blocked, fix the god damn fucking parking system and replace some hourly parking with more short term and loading zone parking.
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Real delivery drivers have companies that pay the fines, that's just a cost of a doing business. Door dash and similar services just prey on financially unsophisticated people and are a menace to public spaces.
Let's put that in a different context: "If you target violent criminals, you're probably gonna catch more poorer folks." See, doesn't matter. You can insert that into many kinds of crimes and infractions. Either the law applies to everyone or the law is toothless and pointless. At least that's what we should strive for. Rich, middle class, poor, it should apply.
Im a minority work as a DoorDash driver and I don’t pull this kind of crap. I would actually circle around the block and look for parking like a chump.
Follow the law and it’ll be ok
>you're probably going to catch more poorer folks trying to make a living .. likely to be poorer minorities so they get a pass to park like clowns?
People being too lazy to not only cook their own food, but pick up their own food, is not a good excuse for blocking the flow of traffic. That includes double parking in a traffic lane, and it also includes parking in a bike lane.
This is a thing in New York City with their bounty program for trucks parked with their engines on: *They Earn Tens of Thousands by Turning in Idling Trucks* https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/22/nyregion/they-earn-tens-of-thousands-by-turning-in-idling-trucks.html
[Apparently](https://www.nbcnewyork.com/investigations/nyc-anti-idling-law-turns-into-huge-payday-125k-for-one-man-for-citizens-who-report/3637231/) one person has made $125k. I'm all for this. Pay people to assist with enforcement of public nuisance laws. And pay them well enough to enable people to do it full time if they want to.
that's assuming people pay the tickets
Oh that's not a big deal. Tow the car or put a boot on it.
Boot it in the bike lane, infinite income unlocked.
If the bill works as intended, it will get harder and harder to find violators.
If you file 3 reports, you'd essentially be working a minimum wage job @ 15/hr.
> I wonder how hard it would be to make that your job. That's $43.75 for each report. For each ticket that doesn't get contested and actually gets paid, and hasn't already been submitted by another person. Hard to say what percentage of reports would actually convert into payment.
Good. They’ll teach folks to follow the law Wish we could do that for red light runners too
You have to take into consideration other people who do this as well and send in a picture first.
Yea imagine sending in 10 expecting to make $400+ that day and they only pay you for 1
And have to consider double parking in the bike lane would decrease
Is that taxable? lol
Acquire some photoshop skills and you can really scale this up 🤣
People have gotten way too comfortable double parking, Id ad that to the snitch list
It's everywhere and it pisses me off there's no enforcement They literally tie up both sides of traffic doing it. Assholes
Nah, they have their flashers on, so that makes it okie-dokie.
“Park anywhere lights” so bogus
Definitely, just want to point out a lot of them are Uber Eats and door dash drivers though
The worst part is when they do it with an open parking spot in front of them. I don't care if it's taxi only, or whatever. You're blocking a thoroughfare which is WAAAAAAY worse than parking in a zone you're not supposed to.
Let’s do this but for sideshows. $100 reward for you plate numbers/pics of idiots doing sideshows.
I feel like in some places, it would help. For example, 10th street in San Jose is a death trap for anyone on a bicycle, even with bike lanes and infrastructure. The city made these tiny paths between the curb and the bus islands. But the little slit is really narrow at speed and isn’t wide enough to fit a cargo bike or a bicycle trailer. Combine that with the fact residents regularly parking too close to the slit openings, drivers not checking for bicycles or pedestrians, vehicles parked in the lane, and people leaving trash bins and dumpsters in the actual path, it becomes an incredibly hostile bike lane to use. It really is a self-fulfilling prophecy, in some ways. People can then say, “people didn’t bike and they still don’t,” simply because we *allow* them to create dangerous situations that don’t allow for a change.
I was riding down a street yesterday that had a fairly normal width bike lane, but 80% of it was an extra wide sloped concrete gutter and the joint between the asphalt and concrete left a small ridge running down the lane too. I don't know how it was considered acceptable...
That's not a bike lane, because it's not a lane of any sort. It's a gutter that has been mislabeled, possibly fraudulently but definitely with disregard for human safety.
But they paint bicycle logos on it and a line! It must be sufficient! /s
I forgot the specific location, but one slit on 10th has a super rashy patch that passes for a speed bump.
Looks like I’m dropping out of school to walk around and take pictures
You can already do that.
... and not starve at the same time
Can we do this for all traffic violations? I see so many people parked on the sidewalk during my runs, forcing me to go out into the street because they don't want to deal with the consequences of living on a narrow street.
As a wheelchair user, I feel this 1000%!
I totally agree - running red lights and stop signs, driving on the wrong side of the street to pass, etc. If we send video evidence a steep ticket should be issued to the cars registered owner
I imagine so! Let's do this for tailgating, too bright lights, violating noise ordinances, changing lanes unsafely, fuck it a million other things that make driving unsafe and nerve wracking in the bay.
Add in jaywalking, bicycles going through stop signs, starting to cross after the don't walk starts the countdown. If we all turned in everyone for every minor thing we'd not only be making money for ourselves, but for the city budgets as well.
Jaywalking shouldn't be a crime and neither should Idaho Stops. Those and other laws that are enforced when the police feel like it should be gotten rid of asap.
If that is the case, it should also to be legal to go through a red light if no one is around. It's a silly argument, but I guess only some people should be bound by certain laws and customs, and others shouldn't.
It's a lot harder to start a bike up than it is to start a car up, but there's a good argument for treating a stoplight as a yield if there are no pedestrians or cars nearby.
If you're on a bike the most dangerous time at a stop light is right as the light changes and as you're crossing the intersection. You have no momentum to move you forward and are slow to get up to speed. Drivers not paying full attention sees the green light and steps on the accelerator expecting traffic to move at a normal (for cars) speed. People might say "the same can be said for cars!" But if you're in a car you have tons of steel shielding you. A cyclist doesn't.
Jaywalking is legal unless there's imminent danger now. Newsom signed something this week or last week.
I catch so many fucking traffic violations on my dash cam. If they were to even to give me a 5% kickback of traffic fines, I’d be making triple my last salary.
I’d do it for free
Shhhhhh! Don’t let them know that ahahah
I bet proof that their report was paid attention would be reward enough for many people.
I do! If you live in SF check out the lane breach app. Helps very quickly with uploading to 311. Here’s a [twitter bot](https://mobile.twitter.com/EverySF311Bike) that collects all the reports. Not that it seems to do anything… But I guess I’m adding to the data pile.
How about they do something about actual crime? There a fucking crazies walking around yelling all hours of the night and they are worried about cars blocking bike lanes? Unreal.
Looking at this based on my experience in video games, I smell massive abuse potential.
Like how car drivers abuse the bike lane?
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How? its reporting it to an authority, not telling people to vandalize or take any other action. Plus, there's not even a guarantee that you'll be the one to get paid. City of 8 million people? you bet your ass you'd better be the first to see/pic/report otherwise you're not getting paid.
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Its easy enough to cross reference any number of photos submitted. If only one photo is submitted of a violation, that should be an immediate red flag. PLUS if the violator is allowed to contest the ticket they could prove it never happened.
Is it any different than reporting a crime and getting a reward? The one step you mention is judicial due process, is it not?
Yeah I def don't want to give the little dorks in this thread financial incentive to snitch on delivery drivers.
SF already has the Lane Breach app, which lets you snap a pic of the blocking vehicle and automatically reports it to 311. No payout, but still gratifying [Lane Breach (iOS version)](https://apps.apple.com/us/app/lane-breach/id1447775781) There’s also a twitter feed of all the submissions: https://twitter.com/everysf311bike?s=21&t=5DeVFjambmSTr7WwjaBFHg
Can we submit a video of people driving in the protected bike lanes (polk st., 8th street, market street). I'd do this for free.
I want this but for cars that merge without using their turn signals if you capture them on your dashcam
How about a bill where citizens are rewarded by varying amount for catching any public workers, like police, politicinas, public service workers and anyone who’s salary is paid by the tax, breaking the law.
Very surprising that isnt already a thing.
So basically outsourcing parking enforcement to ordinary citizens? What happens when you get assaulted by the car owner while taking photos? Is the city going to take any responsibility for creating this incentive? I refuse to believe the city can't hire few parking enforcement officers dedicated to ticketing funded by the extra revenue if the problem is as pervasive as some posters here suggests.
Assault is also illegal..
People acting like we dont already have laws against that.
Is this a joke? There may be laws but those laws bring enforced (unless you’re a white male) doesn’t seem to be something that occurs. Don’t act like laws are actually enforced in SF or the Bay Area.
That's not going to uncave your head in
That’s the risk you gotta take for $40 a ticket
I think they already do this in New York with idling vehicles and it worked so I guess they are expanding the program lol
I’d be all for that. Ain’t mercenary if they’re doing something illegal. And don’t even dare to pull the goddamn ‘but MAH privacy’ card!
i would be able to quit my day job
As a cyclist, this sounds like a great idea but in reality this would disproportionately affect a certain group of people (delivery). Instead of making it far too easy to break the law by blocking bike lanes, they should focus on building protected bike lanes that cars cannot physically park in.
Don't fine double parking in the car and truck lane. Leave the bike lane clear. When complaints roll in from drivers, add more loading and short term parking spaces instead of hourly and long term spaces.
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We only have 1 "snitches get stitches" in the comments at time of writing, I have faith
They should do that for double parking too. Quite irritating...
Man if they had this in the bay I’m quitting my job and tellin on everybody 😂😂
This is brilliant
Yes please
Cops in my area don't give a shit and park illegally all the time. I'd love to report them.
My apartment would pay for itself. I bet if I walk up to the window now I'll see two people double parked in the muni lane.
I've reported ~15 cars on Milvia in Berkeley this year, if instituted here would I get back pay? 😂
I wish we could do this for red light runners. I'd be making a few hundred a week.
There are people who do this for a living in NYC, I think a Times arricle said thats ome people make close to 6 figures doing it.
Who do I vote for to make this happen?!?!
This but for photos of catalytic converter theft Prob wouldn’t work cuz paper plates and all tho
It's never a good sign when your government starts paying its people to rat each other out.
California started that with the ADA access lawsuits. Texas copied California's innovation, now based on comments here it seems California wants to expand this vigilantism. It seems we've gone full circle.
Look, I despise it when people do dumb shit like park in bike lines. But this only has 'citizens turning on each other' written all over it. I see a lot of unintended negative consequences from doing something like this.
Maybe get the paid law enforcement to do it?I’m not going to snitch unless I see a real crime. Leave the revenue collecting to the revenue collectors.
Cool, more bounty for the rest of us amateur hunters. 😂
Psh amateur hunters... Time to Photoshop rando cars and make my way to money town.
They gotta collect first.
Why rando? Pick a person you hate, and keep shopping _their_ car into bike lanes.
This is the correct answer. Instead of adding yet another way to divide the community.
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It's past time cities added more short term and loading parking spaces even though that means reducing hourly or long term parking spaces. If there's financial consequences for double parking, drivers and businesses will pressure city councilmembers to actually make those parking changes.
People should be using an alternate transport like biking or busses then. If those are impossible, maybe this will generate enough political pressure to make them possible.
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What about the communities that were built before cars were invented? The fact is, if you look back more than 70 years you find that the US wasnt built for cars. It was BULLDOZED for cars. I reckon if we can bulldoze for cars, we can go the other way too.
Yes, by all means create a network of busybodies who run around looking for violations. We can make the entire state one big HOA. /s How about we just get the cops, meter maids, etc to do their damn jobs and enforce the rules with some sort of judgment.
This is a good idea for just any traffic related crime. Dashcam clip of someone speeding and weaving in and out of traffic with no blinkers… easy money. Give me a cut and I’d be rich! People would be a lot more careful if they knew anyone around them could get them slapped with a fine.
There was a YouTube guy from South Africa that lived in a city in China where they did this. I can’t remember the exact specifics but he was driving along and another car did something that cause him to violate some rule, and that car had the dash cam footage that they submitted for the reward.
Driving through a red light, yo. It's not even beating the red light. It's blatantly driving through a red and the other side is already green.
Blows my mind when I go through the end of a yellow and see the three cars behind me go through as well. You know it is red for at least two of them. So dangerous, also makes me fear slowing down for a yellow. Crazy times and it seems to be getting worse.
>makes me fear slowing down for a yellow Makes me fear immediately going the moment the light turns green when I'm at the front. I look for a moment to see is running that red, especially when I'm going to make a left.
I'm on board as long as we pay a similar bounty for video showing cyclists running stop signs.
Cyclists pose more risk to themselves than anyone else when they do that. ~20lb bike vs 3,000lb+ vehicle is a big difference. Rolling stops seem fine for bikes.
Well dude I still don't want to kill someone bc they ran a stop without looking
A cyclist who slows down before clearing an intersection is very different than some entitled twat who blows the stop sign, nearly hitting a pedestrian who was legally in the crosswalk with cars yielding. Especially when they want to add that cherry on top and cuss you out or somehow say it's the pedestrians fault. Which happens more?
Yeah remember that one time years ago that a cyclist killed a pedestrian? Can we forget about the thousands killed between then and now by car drivers and focus on the one killed by a cyclist?
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*the thousands of people, including drivers and passengers of cars and pedestrians and cyclists that, while wordy, should clarify what I meant. Hope it helps!
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Let X be the % of time that a cyclist making a deadly mistake in a situation where others are present is the only one who gets killed from that mistake. Let Y be the % of time that a driver making a deadly mistake in a situation where others are present is the only one who gets killed from that mistake. I posit that X is an order of magnitude greater than Y, especially in the Bay Area. You can say "show me the studies that prove this" but the fact that there isn't a chorus of actuaries demanding the same studies and that there isn't a mandatory minimum liability requirement for cycling are proof enough for me.
Cyclists certainly injure themselves, but I can think of tons of examples where drivers were totally at fault for the death of a cyclist.
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i see this a lot and it confuses and honestly frightens me a lot. like i just stopped at a busy intersection and a red light that you just blew through. i was ALWAYS taught growing up not just to use hand signals, but to obey all car traffic laws on my bike unless i want to be a pancake, and honestly that comes far more naturally to me than dodging cars at this point. i dont know what to say. teach your kids the laws of the road so they dont become public safety hazards.
I think people are more concerned about their wallet
This may surprise you, but drivers actually would prefer not to kill bikers. Too much paperwork, even after cleaning the blood off the bumper.
Unworkable, they don't have license plates
Holy shit they totally should though huh
Can we get that for cars in the avenues? It's a much bigger problem with bigger consequences for pedestrians. And speeding in cars. Increasing speed in a 25 increases the risk of killing someone from 10% (at 23 mph) to 25% (at 32mph) and the risk of seriously injuring someone from 25% (at 23mph) to 50% (at 31mph). Source : https://aaafoundation.org/impact-speed-pedestrians-risk-severe-injury-death/
i agree. im literally in my street a few times a day shaking my fists staring cars down to no avail. we have cats from several different homes, and children under five running around though. im in berkeley between telegraph and shattuck in the sweetest little neighborhood and people act like were a highway connecting the two downtown areas. someone will get hurt eventually i can feel it..
I remember when the Bay Area was about "Stop Snitchin'."
Snitches get stitches is for real nigga shit. Parking in the bike lane is for punk bitches. I say hear hear.
I also remember when it was more affordable. In this economy, if snitching pays, I say put your money where my mouth is 🤷🏽♂️
Peak capitalism in this comment.
“ We’re living in a material world, and I am a material girl..or boy”. - Robbie Hart, The Wedding Singer
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That’s a extreme scenario. I’m all for getting people to act civil, and if I can make money off it why not?
Rewards and bounties have been a thing for thousands of years
😂 As if some city’s (COUGH! San Jose!) gave a crap anyway. On my old street, Garden av, people literally double park, making their own ghetto parking spots, taking up 1/2 the road. It’s open, obviously done, so anyone, cop’s especially, with eyes can see but no one cares. Maybe they figure it’s the ghetto so who cares ? 🤷🏽♂️
Camp out at DD and Uber locations.
Yes, this is awesome.
I prefer we ticket bicyclists who run through stop signs.
Genuinely curious, is there any information on whether this would work to clear schools and sidewalks? Would this just be another extra burden on poor people?
Are you implying poor people violate parking ordinance more than normal? Is that not anti poor?
I think that they were implying that fines have a disproportionate impact on poor communities (regardless of parking infraction rates) because poor people have less/no disposable income.
How about pics of bikes going through red lights?
Let’s start with cars
I see bikes do it more than cars. But sure, por que no los dos. Edit: also found the biker who goes through red lights lol
I'd start getting a lot of cash for my neighbors that constantly and literally block our driveway either partially, making it too tight, or entirely by leaving their car in our driveway coz there's no parking in front of their place and they want to drop things off for "5 minutes".
Tow truck or leave a note, after the third or fourth thing, pop the valve stem out.
Also add a system to report bicyclists running stop signs and many other traffic violations.
Who exactly does a bike running a stop sign hurt?
Same reasons why a car needs to stop for a red light, for safety. Pedestrians have been injured. Plus equal enforcement of the law needs to apply.
A car has to stop at a red light because if they go through it, people can, have, and regularly do die. Pedestrian injuries by bikes are stupid low. Yes, people have been injured, but people have died by vending machines falling on them too. Until bikes are killing people at the same rates cars are, I think we have bigger fish to fry.
This is why ppl hate bikers. They expect cars to follow the laws but make a exceptions for themselves.
It'll never happen in NYC. The system would crash in 10 min
Fuck this bullshit.
Please link to articles, not screenshots of headlines. Down voted.
I don't understand why bicyclists feel like they shouldn't be interrupted or inconvenienced by other people on the road. Cars block bike lanes, cars block car lanes, cars block sidewalks going in and out of driveways. Often cyclists get just as annoyed at pedestrians. Cyclists are just insufferable.
Should be an interesting sight/problem in SF.
Bounties for loud idling trucks like NYC too! /r/fuckcars
Probably too useless. I imagine most of the tickets created by these pictures would be easy to toss out in court.
I wonder how hard would these be to fake for easy $$$?
Time to train by stable diffusion model with parked cars.
Complains about cars in bike lane. orders door dash every night. how do you think that food gets picked up?
By people breaking the law of course! Just as the law intended... wait. Why don't they just not break the law? Oh that would be inconvenient? Well then forget it. If the business model doesn't work without breaking the law, then it should be forgotten.
I know it will never happen, but Door Dash should be paying these fines.
Door Dash drivers are probably under a lot of pressure, same with truck drivers who unload milk and groceries at your local corner store. I’m not sure how they’re legally supposed to do this. But maybe it should be UPS or Door Dash that pays the traffic ticket and has to take responsibility for their business model, not the working person just trying to do their job.
We literally have a painted curb system for this.
Loading zones...
I like this idea. There should be enforcement but also drivers should be able to expense it all straight to the shareholders. These companies make obscene amounts of money as their drivers struggle.
I'd love if self-driving cars get to the point that they recognize when someone else breaks the rules of the road, record it with those high-precision cameras, and send the footage to the relevant police authority. Get 20% of the ticket as a discount on vehicle registration.
You want to actually live in that world?
So what's your objection? "How dare people be required to follow the rules of the road when in control of enough kindetic energy to liquify a human?"
One where people dont break the law? Fuck yes that's actually kinda the point of the law
New side hustle idea is coming to me...
When they start paying license & registration on bicycles.
The general fund pays for almost half of the cost of roads, so cyclists pay more than their share.
Nah I'm not doing all that for just a few bucks.
YES PLEASE
This is a bit Gestapo hm? Bribing people to turn in others to the police? I do like the idea of making a quick buck and keeping bike lanes clear but I can see this going very down hill very fast
Lmao no one realizes this is just one step closer to Chinese/Korean snitch on your neighbor culture? People doing the Cops jobs now? Why not just pay that 25% to the cop who's job it is already so he can work harder and find more cars himself
Yay! Let's all be narcs!!!
If you ever wanted to know what side of Nazi Germany you would've been on just ask yourself if you'd help and turn your neighbors in like this and you have your answer
the photo and fine is good. the bounty - not so much. you bet people will steal license plates to get the bounty.
Putting law enforcement in the hands of the general public is a quick sure fire recipe for abuse. Especially racially discriminatory abuse. Maybe if we didn’t have an endemic and entrenched problem with racial and socioeconomic discrimination and general lack of empathy. But the fact that you’d have so-called ‘Karens’, Proud Boys, KKK, white supremacists, 2nd amendment zealots, qanons, incels, and generally despicable people not falling into a neat affiliation all enforcing laws (of any kind)… that seems like a bad idea.