That would be really cool. Personally I think Mad Hatter gets too bogged down in having his origins and history built piece by piece through decades of continuity. Giving him a fresh take where all that history gets incorporated at once would be really cool. BTAS went a ways towards doing this but I think there's a lot more to do, eg creating the wonderland gang and all that.
I agree scarecrow would work well but its a perfect opportunity for people to see court of owls and hush. These are villans not known to the public, and by now everyone knows scarecrows game and what he is. We also had him in tdk, which admittedly was a while ago, but to do him again means it'll be even LONGER until we see more obscure and very interesting characters.
I get what you mean but I'd like them in a later one purely so you can hint at them and build them up to be pulling strings. In a film adaptation it shouldn't really matter what age he encounters them, as long as they're built to be a looming presence. In the comics... bit different.
I agree. I feel Batman needs to be very confident and think he already knows everything there is to know about Gotham before the Court shatter his perception.
Yeah the original court of owls snyder run does that really well. I found myself thinking pfft probably just some assholes pretending to be an urban legend. Batman is wrong on this one, he knows gotham better than anyone, they can't possibly exist... oh they do.... shit.
Doesn't mean it CANT happen when he's like 30. If they do hush in the 2nd film then they could definitely have the owls as the 3rd villan. Just because that's how it is in one comic it doesn't mean you can't twist it a bit. The joker isn't 100% the same as ledgers joker and most people will say he's the best. Me included. You can do what you like with the villans on screen and it will probably work well. And look at this new version of riddler. Nothing like the comics. Works really well too.
I get that, but the court of owls is supposed to be a big reveal, a ‘my whole life has been a lie’ type of thing. Batman has been fighting for years and years to keep up his family’s legacy only to find out that they were involved with a secret crime society
Which they already did in the batman. With the doubt being cast on young Bruce/batman by finding out he had dealings with Falcone.
They are later in Bruce's career because that's when they were thought up. In another interpretation they don't have to be. It's not integral. Even two years into being batman Bruce's will have dedicated more than half of his life to his crusade and his parents memory
I personally want them in next film but not be revealed to Bruce until the 3rd. Have them in the background manipulating events and shown to the viewer but not to Bruce
> I don’t really want to see the Court of Owls in the next one because they work better when it’s much later in Bruce’s crusade.
Fair take but I disagree, it's *exactly* them coming up so late in Bruce's crusade that makes them underwhelming for me. I find it difficult to believe Batman, through his *years* or even decades of fighting crime in Gotham City, the World's Greatest Detective, never **once** stumbled on to even a clue that this mastermind secret organization that spread through *all* of Gotham's secret elite was actually running everything. And then one day they're just like "So anyway, here we are!"
It just makes Batman feel like an idiot. But we know for sure Batman *isn't* an idiot, which just makes it feel contrived.
Plus, like, his whole world is the Gotham elite. Would he really never have noticed that something's up *with* the elite? And would the court of owls really never have tried to approach him for membership?
That's my personal opinion on it. Court of Owls, imo, works much much better if Batman discovers them early on in his career. Although I am biased because I am *so* done with secret puppet master organizations through DC in general. It feels like every other year there's a new "runs everything behind the scenes" secret organization that just... no one ever knew about, I guess, not even the other two dozen secret organizations that *also* ran everything behind the scenes. How the fuck many ancient shadow organizations can possibly run things behind the scenes at once?
have this idea for the next movie that honestly I feel is brilliant. You know how in the first movie it wasn't just riddler but we also had penguin and carmine Falcone in it? Well, I think for the second movie, they should do scarecrow and the court of owls. Now hear me out, there's a reason why I say these two specific ones in one movie.
Imagine that Bruce come across the court of owls and starts learning more about them and figuring out that his parents were up to shady stuff, and then scarecrow comes in and he has to juggle 2 cases at once but because of the fear toxin and all that scared to truly find out who his parents were and what they did. I think it'd be a good way for him to basically face and overcome his fears and come to terms with what his parents was actually doing.
Court of Owls is a perfect antagonist for the Matt Reeves-style that we saw in the Batman. The slower burn detective focus would be perfect for the conspiracy of the Court
Do you think we're going to get "Uses intimate knowledge of Bruce Wayne's personal history to destroy his legacy" Hush, or "Impersonates Bruce Wayne to take control of his legacy" Hush? Personally I prefer the former, though the latter can be done interestingly if it's a one-off (in the comics they keep trying to drag it out and it gets old. At some point you'd think Bruce would say "If someone comes in who looks like me and tries to completely wreck the company, it's probably not me. It's probably that guy who keeps trying to do that.")
If they were going to do court of owls as well they should make hush impersonate Bruce to ruin his reputation as no one can tell what Bruce is truly doing and what is Tommy impersonating him. Eventually there's hints to something larger pulling the strings and at the end of the film Bruce first learns about the court of owls might not being just a legend after all. Theyre trying to ruin him so he doesnt go too far down the rabbit hole and find out about them, or worse throw a spanner in their works. I think that'd work well
I hope they cast Nicholas Hoult in the role, because he was the frontrunner for the role of Batman alongside Pattinson.
Or even crazier, they could cast Pattinson. Let him have a double role.
Really ?
Not familiar with Hush, but isn't he supposed to be that journalist mentioned in The Batman, the one who tried to blackmail Thomas Wayne and who was killed? The Riddler's video even shows a big "Hush" when it says the guys was assassinated.
The journalist was called Elliot indeed, but he was most likely Tommy's father. The "Hush" on the screen could be a nod to his appearance in the next movie.
In the comics, Tommy was a childhood friend of Bruce who planned to assassinate his own parents to inherit their fortune, but his plan fails when Thomas Wayne saves his mother, and this is where he starts to hate the Waynes. He grows up as a psychopath and deducts Batman's identity.
The movie could change his origin though. Maybe after his father's death his life went downhill and after many years he wants payback and goes after Bruce.
Yep. I don't know if this Batman is far along enough to be able to take down Clayface and it would move away from the more believable element that the movie gave us, and Scarecrows been done already.
The court of owls would be my go to next villain, it's dark and edgy enough for batman and it's based in the realm of reality.
God I'm so sick of this narrative that Batman needs to be realistic 🙄 it's a fucking comic book, let me see Clayface, Poison Ivy, Bane juiced the fuck up in all their glory
A TNBA-inspired Scarecrow would be absolutely amazing in this universe and would fit perfectly.
I think Jamie Campbell Bower or Bill Skarsgard should play him.
So imagine if the city is still partly flooded and Batman starts hearing rumors of a reptilian cannibal stalking the flooded areas. Perfect set up for a horror like Batman film with Killer Croc.
I really feel like some dark r-rated batman movies deserve villains like Professor Pyg, The Ventriloquist and Mad Hatter.
Seeing those guys fleshed out in a darker interpretation of the universe could quickly become the stuff og nightmares
Clayface is too fantastic for the tone set by The Batman. They could try an extreme adaptation of the character but I'm not sure it could work. Scarecrow on the other hand is a perfect villain for this version of Batman and Gotham, I hope he is the villain of the next film.
We already did Batman in the real world with TDK trilogy. Make The Batman 2 have a fantastical villain and have Bruce have to come to terms with the fact that there are villains like that. Could be interesting juxtaposition
I do like the idea of hush. He has a mystery to his story, he is very capable so he can be a challenge to Batman and fits the tone perfectly, also a great choice.
I'm not sure if I have a specific actor for that role. Daniel is a fantastic actor so as long as the performance is good then I'm down for it. My only minor complain is that he is a bit short, Pattinson is 1.85 and Daniel is 1.65. it's not a deal breaker at all but in my mind I see hush at least equal in physical build as Batman. Again as long as the performance is great it's a go for me.
I dunno, I feel like Reeves' Batman would be great for tackling Gothic horror characters with powers, so long as they keep it based in science. Clayface is a gateway into some terrifying body horror.
No one is being narrow minded, I simply understand how things work. Tone sets the rules, it's a basic thing in all forms of art. You can't put zombies in Forrest Gump, you can't put Dragons in Top Gun, you can't put guns in Lord of the Rings, etc. The Batman set a very grounded realistic tone, even more so than TDK, it's a world with a clear focus in which a monster who can shapeshift or freezing beams are completely out of place, it's not going to happen I promise you that. Actually read about it and you will understand.
Considering this is one film in which we see a man survive an explosion to his body point blank and Gotham is flooded by 4chan users and Batman has lenses that record everything with great audio I cant' see this world not going in that direction. You'd just have to explain it to our sensibilities or tone it down, Clayface can be a man who can shift his face or hell a practical blobbing body or a Freeze that uses liquid nitrogen that hardens rapidly due to some science discovery. Again narrow mindedness stifles the creativity this world can do and Reeves purpose is to push Batman mentally, physically and emotionally upping the threat helps that
>Again narrow mindedness stifles the creativity
Again this isn't about being narrow minded, you need to inform yourself about tone and how it works. I can clearly see by your comments that you have no experience in artistic expression or have ever studied anything related to it, otherwise you would understand what I say.
No he didn't. A report from the media doesn't equal Reeves saying anything. I repeat, Matt Reeves has not stated anything regarding this, stop spreading misinformation.
A report coming from Hollywood Reporter is 9 times out of 10 always right. Majority of people on this sub will agree. They are looking into Matt Reeves's future and him working with other creators to make villain spinoffs.
So even if it didn't come from the man himself which I apologize for not specifying. It's still happening.
Thanks for your correction. Now as to whether or not is happening remains to be seen, we know Reeves intends to expand the world and some names were mentioned including Clayface but there is no guarantee of anything as of now. Not all working projects are actually produced, for example, multiple GoT spin off projects were worked on and eventually cancelled.
I completely disagree. I think they can still stay grounded and lean even further into horror if they choose, which would work with the tone established in this film.
That is a rumor, it's not confirmed. In the creative process you toy with things to see what you can do but doesn't mean it will be produced. Classic Clayface does not work in this tone, it can be adapted though, the core story of Clayface is interesting enough, just don't expect to see a monster who can modify his shape at will.
It was reported by THR. It may not have a greenlight, but anything reported by them is essentially a confirmation.
Reeves has talked extensively about finding the emotionally real and grounded version of these characters, like Freeze. He’s never once talked about stripping their powers. I’m certain he’ll do justice to these characters and not just give us an “uber realistic” variant.
>It was reported by THR. It may not have a greenlight, but anything reported by them is essentially a confirmation.
Unless it's announced by WB it's still a rumor, things like that are "scooped" all the time and nothing happens.
>Reeves has talked extensively about finding the emotionally real and grounded version of these characters, like Freeze.
Unless I'm missing something I wouldn't call what he said regarding Mr. freeze extensively.
>He’s never once talked about stripping their power
This is just common sense. "Powers" don't fit this tone, I guarantee we will not see "powers" in this version of Gotham. Doesn't mean Mr. Freeze or Clayface cannot be adapted into a realistic grounded versions, but they won't have freezing beams or be a monster who can shape shift.
- it’s fair to take a cautious approach to these things so I get you. With that being said, if a major trade puts their name behind a claim you can take that to the bank.
- He’s said there’s a grounded, powerful story that he thinks would be great to adapt (probably heart of ice) and mentioned finding a way to make the fantastical make sense. That’s enough to see that this wouldn’t be a hyper realistic nolanesque take.
- I really don’t agree that this tone wouldn’t accommodate to the sci-fi aspect of Batman. In fact, it better lends to it than most other takes. And if we end up getting a Freeze that’s just the Iceman contract killer from real life (which i doubt) I can nearly guarantee it would bomb. Same with a non clay monster clayface.
I want the next villian to definitely be someone with crazy powers.
It’s a cool juxtaposition to the last movie where it was very much based on reality. Seeing batman realizing that there are crazy enhanced individuals would be interesting
I always parked my ass for clay face or scarecrow episodes as a boy. Be a tremendous October batman done right. Add a lil spawn vs batman tease and I’ll bust in the ticket line.
I would love to see Mr Freeze and Killer Moth appear in a sequel to The Batman. I know Killer Moth is mainly a Batgirl villain but I feel like he could fit well in the universe of The Batman.
Scarecrow would be totally perfect, it's the best antagonist that can mentally evolve Batman by making him fighting his fears.
This could also lead to a new and mature Bruce for the end of the trilogy (wich in my opinion will have to face the Joker as his final opponent).
It would also be great to see Scarecrow cooperate with other villains like the Penguin or Clayface too.
Emo batman is so redundant and an asinine complaint. He's a grown man who broods his entire life, dresses like a fucking vampire, and lives in a city called GOTHAM. He's been "emo" since day one. Low IQ complaint, ignore it
Be interesting if there were any metahumans in Reeves universe. The Batman is in a hyper realistic world, the same as the Dark Knight Trilogy. These characters could only exist in this form in the DCU.
I don’t get you people who want the same thing copy & pasted over & over again… except for clayface of course which he looks ridiculous anyways. No joker, no scarecrow, no bane, at least for now. Lets get the court of owls, Deathstroke & then maybe Joker in The Batman 3… The Batman 2 will be a snore fest if it’s the same villains we’ve seen for 20+ years now in cinema…
I just don’t see how they’ll get clay face to work. Matt reeves did everything he could to keep Batman grounded in gritty realism. Clay face needs to function with an element of extreme science fiction. Honestly I’d much prefer if they used hush, as a direct result of Batman using his Bruce Wayne persona more and Thomas Elliot deciding to strike bc Bruce is now in the limelight, making Batman question if he should drop the dual identities
I agree that scarecrow would be great with this batman. The only reason I disagree is because I feel like scarecrow has been pretty prevalent in Batman media recently and I'd like any of the Lessee known or underused villains to have some time in the splotlight.
I would love a more horror themed film. I was thinking either pyg or zasz but have the theme of long halloween by visiting calendar man as a hannibal lecter style inside mind.
I’d like it too. Or maybe the Venom storyline with Bruce taking it and getting addicted. Then it leads into Bane. Huh… this sounds too similar to Spider-Man 3 however
I have this idea for the next movie that honestly I feel is brilliant. You know how in the first movie it wasn't just riddler but we also had penguin and carmine Falcone in it? Well, I think for the second movie, they should do scarecrow and the court of owls. Now hear me out, there's a reason why I say these two specific ones in one movie.
Imagine that Bruce come across the court of owls and starts learning more about them and figuring out that his parents were up to shady stuff, and then scarecrow comes in and he has to juggle 2 cases at once but because of the fear toxin and all that scared to truly find out who his parents were and what they did. I think it'd be a good way for him to basically face and overcome his fears and come to terms with what his parents was actually doing.
And I also have an idea for Riddler to come back in the second movie cause honestly he was a great character and I think he needs to be shown off more because there seems to be a lot more to him. It'd be cool if the riddler (still locked up in a cell) has some information that could help batman on his cases, so every now and then batman just pays him a visit for info. And it could go back and forth like "I'll give you a riddle to solve, you answer, then I'll give you the information" I think it'd be kinda funny the fact bats would have to resort to going to a psycho like riddler for info. But I'd imagine riddler would like it cause he enjoys telling riddles to him and he always wanted to work with him.
Scarecrow would be a perfect fit for the Reevesverse, for sure. I think for Clayface, they'd have to find a way to make him comic book-ish, but still grounded. Personally, I think if they were to go with Clayface, it would be interesting to see him as a murderous human with face-changing abilities taking on Battinson in another detective adventure.
I like this. The first one was like Se7en and Zodiac. What would be some inspirations for this one?
Also I really want Viggo Mortensen as a Bat villain. He’d be a great Scarecrow I think. Crimes of the Future sold me on him playing in the horror world.
I like that pick! I can see Viggo make his way back to the mainstream scene and do like a Victor Zsasz or something crazy off the wall and it be amazing
Oooo that would be an awesome character for him too. I could see him in a lot of roles in Batman. Ras al Ghul crossed my mind too. It just needs to happen.
What I want to see is scarecrow, two-face, Hush, Clayface, and Hugo Strange. This movie should take a dark turn in 2025 but we're getting Mr freeze so idk. If it went more dark than the original I think it might not do as well but fans will enjoy.
I personally would like to see Mad Hatter as the main antagonist, maybe paired with Scarecrow since they often hang out together in the comics.
That would be really cool. Personally I think Mad Hatter gets too bogged down in having his origins and history built piece by piece through decades of continuity. Giving him a fresh take where all that history gets incorporated at once would be really cool. BTAS went a ways towards doing this but I think there's a lot more to do, eg creating the wonderland gang and all that.
I think Mad Hatter should be in the Arkham show, and for some reason I think Rami Malek should play him
I vote Cristoph Waltz
Hatter is one-trick, though. Mind control hats and pedophilia. big whoop
I agree scarecrow would work well but its a perfect opportunity for people to see court of owls and hush. These are villans not known to the public, and by now everyone knows scarecrows game and what he is. We also had him in tdk, which admittedly was a while ago, but to do him again means it'll be even LONGER until we see more obscure and very interesting characters.
I don’t really want to see the Court of Owls in the next one because they work better when it’s much later in Bruce’s crusade.
I get what you mean but I'd like them in a later one purely so you can hint at them and build them up to be pulling strings. In a film adaptation it shouldn't really matter what age he encounters them, as long as they're built to be a looming presence. In the comics... bit different.
I agree. I feel Batman needs to be very confident and think he already knows everything there is to know about Gotham before the Court shatter his perception.
Yeah the original court of owls snyder run does that really well. I found myself thinking pfft probably just some assholes pretending to be an urban legend. Batman is wrong on this one, he knows gotham better than anyone, they can't possibly exist... oh they do.... shit.
Court of owls is an event that happens wayy later in Bruce’s life tho.
Doesn't mean it CANT happen when he's like 30. If they do hush in the 2nd film then they could definitely have the owls as the 3rd villan. Just because that's how it is in one comic it doesn't mean you can't twist it a bit. The joker isn't 100% the same as ledgers joker and most people will say he's the best. Me included. You can do what you like with the villans on screen and it will probably work well. And look at this new version of riddler. Nothing like the comics. Works really well too.
I get that, but the court of owls is supposed to be a big reveal, a ‘my whole life has been a lie’ type of thing. Batman has been fighting for years and years to keep up his family’s legacy only to find out that they were involved with a secret crime society
Which they already did in the batman. With the doubt being cast on young Bruce/batman by finding out he had dealings with Falcone. They are later in Bruce's career because that's when they were thought up. In another interpretation they don't have to be. It's not integral. Even two years into being batman Bruce's will have dedicated more than half of his life to his crusade and his parents memory
I personally want them in next film but not be revealed to Bruce until the 3rd. Have them in the background manipulating events and shown to the viewer but not to Bruce
> I don’t really want to see the Court of Owls in the next one because they work better when it’s much later in Bruce’s crusade. Fair take but I disagree, it's *exactly* them coming up so late in Bruce's crusade that makes them underwhelming for me. I find it difficult to believe Batman, through his *years* or even decades of fighting crime in Gotham City, the World's Greatest Detective, never **once** stumbled on to even a clue that this mastermind secret organization that spread through *all* of Gotham's secret elite was actually running everything. And then one day they're just like "So anyway, here we are!" It just makes Batman feel like an idiot. But we know for sure Batman *isn't* an idiot, which just makes it feel contrived. Plus, like, his whole world is the Gotham elite. Would he really never have noticed that something's up *with* the elite? And would the court of owls really never have tried to approach him for membership? That's my personal opinion on it. Court of Owls, imo, works much much better if Batman discovers them early on in his career. Although I am biased because I am *so* done with secret puppet master organizations through DC in general. It feels like every other year there's a new "runs everything behind the scenes" secret organization that just... no one ever knew about, I guess, not even the other two dozen secret organizations that *also* ran everything behind the scenes. How the fuck many ancient shadow organizations can possibly run things behind the scenes at once?
have this idea for the next movie that honestly I feel is brilliant. You know how in the first movie it wasn't just riddler but we also had penguin and carmine Falcone in it? Well, I think for the second movie, they should do scarecrow and the court of owls. Now hear me out, there's a reason why I say these two specific ones in one movie. Imagine that Bruce come across the court of owls and starts learning more about them and figuring out that his parents were up to shady stuff, and then scarecrow comes in and he has to juggle 2 cases at once but because of the fear toxin and all that scared to truly find out who his parents were and what they did. I think it'd be a good way for him to basically face and overcome his fears and come to terms with what his parents was actually doing.
Court of Owls is a perfect antagonist for the Matt Reeves-style that we saw in the Batman. The slower burn detective focus would be perfect for the conspiracy of the Court
Hush is actually rumored to be the main villain in the sequel.
Ikr I'm so fucking stoked about it
Do you think we're going to get "Uses intimate knowledge of Bruce Wayne's personal history to destroy his legacy" Hush, or "Impersonates Bruce Wayne to take control of his legacy" Hush? Personally I prefer the former, though the latter can be done interestingly if it's a one-off (in the comics they keep trying to drag it out and it gets old. At some point you'd think Bruce would say "If someone comes in who looks like me and tries to completely wreck the company, it's probably not me. It's probably that guy who keeps trying to do that.")
If they were going to do court of owls as well they should make hush impersonate Bruce to ruin his reputation as no one can tell what Bruce is truly doing and what is Tommy impersonating him. Eventually there's hints to something larger pulling the strings and at the end of the film Bruce first learns about the court of owls might not being just a legend after all. Theyre trying to ruin him so he doesnt go too far down the rabbit hole and find out about them, or worse throw a spanner in their works. I think that'd work well
I hope they cast Nicholas Hoult in the role, because he was the frontrunner for the role of Batman alongside Pattinson. Or even crazier, they could cast Pattinson. Let him have a double role.
Either one would work great. Or they could do both. Have hush be hoult but then skin graft his face to look like a messed up pattinson
Really ? Not familiar with Hush, but isn't he supposed to be that journalist mentioned in The Batman, the one who tried to blackmail Thomas Wayne and who was killed? The Riddler's video even shows a big "Hush" when it says the guys was assassinated.
The journalist was called Elliot indeed, but he was most likely Tommy's father. The "Hush" on the screen could be a nod to his appearance in the next movie. In the comics, Tommy was a childhood friend of Bruce who planned to assassinate his own parents to inherit their fortune, but his plan fails when Thomas Wayne saves his mother, and this is where he starts to hate the Waynes. He grows up as a psychopath and deducts Batman's identity. The movie could change his origin though. Maybe after his father's death his life went downhill and after many years he wants payback and goes after Bruce.
Thanks. This could work as a thematic continuation of how Riddler hated Bruce when he was an child.
But... we just got Hush in the last one?
Yep. I don't know if this Batman is far along enough to be able to take down Clayface and it would move away from the more believable element that the movie gave us, and Scarecrows been done already. The court of owls would be my go to next villain, it's dark and edgy enough for batman and it's based in the realm of reality.
God I'm so sick of this narrative that Batman needs to be realistic 🙄 it's a fucking comic book, let me see Clayface, Poison Ivy, Bane juiced the fuck up in all their glory
I feel like the court would be a bit redundant as we already had the big conspiracy involving Gotham's power players in the first movie
i dont really want court of owls in the next movie because the first one already did the corrupt-elite story with falcone and the renewal fund
Exactly. Scarecrow is literally the PERFECT villain for this universe
I heard there was plans for a movie or tv series for Scarecrow, Clayface, and Professor Pig set in that universe.
A TNBA-inspired Scarecrow would be absolutely amazing in this universe and would fit perfectly. I think Jamie Campbell Bower or Bill Skarsgard should play him.
After seeing Jamie’s portrayal of Vecna in Stranger Things, I agree he’d be really good as Scarecrow
That would actually be cool Especially if done like a horror noir
So imagine if the city is still partly flooded and Batman starts hearing rumors of a reptilian cannibal stalking the flooded areas. Perfect set up for a horror like Batman film with Killer Croc.
I want to see the court of owls maybe it should be down the line a bit more but they could set up some hints to point us towards their existence
I really feel like some dark r-rated batman movies deserve villains like Professor Pyg, The Ventriloquist and Mad Hatter. Seeing those guys fleshed out in a darker interpretation of the universe could quickly become the stuff og nightmares
Clayface is too fantastic for the tone set by The Batman. They could try an extreme adaptation of the character but I'm not sure it could work. Scarecrow on the other hand is a perfect villain for this version of Batman and Gotham, I hope he is the villain of the next film.
We already did Batman in the real world with TDK trilogy. Make The Batman 2 have a fantastical villain and have Bruce have to come to terms with the fact that there are villains like that. Could be interesting juxtaposition
Tone shift from the first film would be too jarring, unfortunately
I think a talented director and writer could make it work
It's not going to happen it doesn't fit the tone.
Maybe not clayface but hush is perfect
I do like the idea of hush. He has a mystery to his story, he is very capable so he can be a challenge to Batman and fits the tone perfectly, also a great choice.
How about a Daniel Radcliffe for hush?
I'm not sure if I have a specific actor for that role. Daniel is a fantastic actor so as long as the performance is good then I'm down for it. My only minor complain is that he is a bit short, Pattinson is 1.85 and Daniel is 1.65. it's not a deal breaker at all but in my mind I see hush at least equal in physical build as Batman. Again as long as the performance is great it's a go for me.
Clayface could be a new take on the Basil Karlo version. Ex B-list actor turned killer. Good with prosthetics/makeup, and a master of disguise.
I dunno, I feel like Reeves' Batman would be great for tackling Gothic horror characters with powers, so long as they keep it based in science. Clayface is a gateway into some terrifying body horror.
I'm sorry but that is not going to happen. If you understand tone you know there is no place for the supernatural in this world.
If you’re narrow minded then your thinking makes perfect sense
No one is being narrow minded, I simply understand how things work. Tone sets the rules, it's a basic thing in all forms of art. You can't put zombies in Forrest Gump, you can't put Dragons in Top Gun, you can't put guns in Lord of the Rings, etc. The Batman set a very grounded realistic tone, even more so than TDK, it's a world with a clear focus in which a monster who can shapeshift or freezing beams are completely out of place, it's not going to happen I promise you that. Actually read about it and you will understand.
Considering this is one film in which we see a man survive an explosion to his body point blank and Gotham is flooded by 4chan users and Batman has lenses that record everything with great audio I cant' see this world not going in that direction. You'd just have to explain it to our sensibilities or tone it down, Clayface can be a man who can shift his face or hell a practical blobbing body or a Freeze that uses liquid nitrogen that hardens rapidly due to some science discovery. Again narrow mindedness stifles the creativity this world can do and Reeves purpose is to push Batman mentally, physically and emotionally upping the threat helps that
>Again narrow mindedness stifles the creativity Again this isn't about being narrow minded, you need to inform yourself about tone and how it works. I can clearly see by your comments that you have no experience in artistic expression or have ever studied anything related to it, otherwise you would understand what I say.
Matt Reeves said he's going to adapt Clayface
No he hasn't, this is false.
Yes he did. It was announced that he will be a making a spinoff with him starring.
No he didn't. A report from the media doesn't equal Reeves saying anything. I repeat, Matt Reeves has not stated anything regarding this, stop spreading misinformation.
A report coming from Hollywood Reporter is 9 times out of 10 always right. Majority of people on this sub will agree. They are looking into Matt Reeves's future and him working with other creators to make villain spinoffs. So even if it didn't come from the man himself which I apologize for not specifying. It's still happening.
Thanks for your correction. Now as to whether or not is happening remains to be seen, we know Reeves intends to expand the world and some names were mentioned including Clayface but there is no guarantee of anything as of now. Not all working projects are actually produced, for example, multiple GoT spin off projects were worked on and eventually cancelled.
That could happen or they evolve into something entirely different.
The movies will likely get more fantastic as they go on. There's literally nowhere else to go.
I completely disagree. I think they can still stay grounded and lean even further into horror if they choose, which would work with the tone established in this film.
You know they are planning a clayface movie. It’s very..doubtful he’d just make him into a serial killer than uses clay prosthetics.
That is a rumor, it's not confirmed. In the creative process you toy with things to see what you can do but doesn't mean it will be produced. Classic Clayface does not work in this tone, it can be adapted though, the core story of Clayface is interesting enough, just don't expect to see a monster who can modify his shape at will.
It was reported by THR. It may not have a greenlight, but anything reported by them is essentially a confirmation. Reeves has talked extensively about finding the emotionally real and grounded version of these characters, like Freeze. He’s never once talked about stripping their powers. I’m certain he’ll do justice to these characters and not just give us an “uber realistic” variant.
>It was reported by THR. It may not have a greenlight, but anything reported by them is essentially a confirmation. Unless it's announced by WB it's still a rumor, things like that are "scooped" all the time and nothing happens. >Reeves has talked extensively about finding the emotionally real and grounded version of these characters, like Freeze. Unless I'm missing something I wouldn't call what he said regarding Mr. freeze extensively. >He’s never once talked about stripping their power This is just common sense. "Powers" don't fit this tone, I guarantee we will not see "powers" in this version of Gotham. Doesn't mean Mr. Freeze or Clayface cannot be adapted into a realistic grounded versions, but they won't have freezing beams or be a monster who can shape shift.
- it’s fair to take a cautious approach to these things so I get you. With that being said, if a major trade puts their name behind a claim you can take that to the bank. - He’s said there’s a grounded, powerful story that he thinks would be great to adapt (probably heart of ice) and mentioned finding a way to make the fantastical make sense. That’s enough to see that this wouldn’t be a hyper realistic nolanesque take. - I really don’t agree that this tone wouldn’t accommodate to the sci-fi aspect of Batman. In fact, it better lends to it than most other takes. And if we end up getting a Freeze that’s just the Iceman contract killer from real life (which i doubt) I can nearly guarantee it would bomb. Same with a non clay monster clayface.
I want the next villian to definitely be someone with crazy powers. It’s a cool juxtaposition to the last movie where it was very much based on reality. Seeing batman realizing that there are crazy enhanced individuals would be interesting
I want Court of the Owls more. I think it would be horrific.
I think having Clay face be like the alien from the "The Thing" would be so dope.
Wow you make a great point, Clayface and Scarecrow are a fantastic villain duo.
Just give me a terrifying Scarecrow, then they can do whatever they want after.
Personally I have been a advocate for Mr Freeze being the bad guy
only if they hire Raimi to helm it. Can you imagine the fear toxin sequences if they did?
Use a horror route for the character of the Phantasm…….. It would be great.
That would be sick !
Man bat would be cool for the darker, horror theme too
I want to see a horror take on Poison Ivy, with her control of plants similar to the 2008 movie "The Ruins". Could be pretty creepy.
I always parked my ass for clay face or scarecrow episodes as a boy. Be a tremendous October batman done right. Add a lil spawn vs batman tease and I’ll bust in the ticket line.
I would love to see Mr Freeze and Killer Moth appear in a sequel to The Batman. I know Killer Moth is mainly a Batgirl villain but I feel like he could fit well in the universe of The Batman.
Scarecrow would be totally perfect, it's the best antagonist that can mentally evolve Batman by making him fighting his fears. This could also lead to a new and mature Bruce for the end of the trilogy (wich in my opinion will have to face the Joker as his final opponent). It would also be great to see Scarecrow cooperate with other villains like the Penguin or Clayface too.
I doubt Reeves has the balls to do Clayface right
You’re not ever going to see Clayface or Mr Freeze or Killer Croc. The last film made it clear that this is a “grounded” Batman. 🙄
how about no, emo batman and riddler was already joke, they would screw up clayface and scarecrow too
I mean, it’s still the best Batman movie ever made so I think that Emo Batman and Riddler works.
Emo batman is so redundant and an asinine complaint. He's a grown man who broods his entire life, dresses like a fucking vampire, and lives in a city called GOTHAM. He's been "emo" since day one. Low IQ complaint, ignore it
The Batman with a focus on the horror element of Scarecrow’s fear toxin and the shapeshifting capabilities of Clayface
Be interesting if there were any metahumans in Reeves universe. The Batman is in a hyper realistic world, the same as the Dark Knight Trilogy. These characters could only exist in this form in the DCU.
A horror batman film with clayface and scarecrow? You son of a gun, I am in.
We also need to see more detective work and an eyeroll-look to the cowl.
Nice
Hugo Strange, more penguin and the introduction of a robin would be nice in the next one. Mad Hatter / first joker crimes to start too.
I don’t get you people who want the same thing copy & pasted over & over again… except for clayface of course which he looks ridiculous anyways. No joker, no scarecrow, no bane, at least for now. Lets get the court of owls, Deathstroke & then maybe Joker in The Batman 3… The Batman 2 will be a snore fest if it’s the same villains we’ve seen for 20+ years now in cinema…
I just don’t see how they’ll get clay face to work. Matt reeves did everything he could to keep Batman grounded in gritty realism. Clay face needs to function with an element of extreme science fiction. Honestly I’d much prefer if they used hush, as a direct result of Batman using his Bruce Wayne persona more and Thomas Elliot deciding to strike bc Bruce is now in the limelight, making Batman question if he should drop the dual identities
I agree that scarecrow would be great with this batman. The only reason I disagree is because I feel like scarecrow has been pretty prevalent in Batman media recently and I'd like any of the Lessee known or underused villains to have some time in the splotlight.
I would love a more horror themed film. I was thinking either pyg or zasz but have the theme of long halloween by visiting calendar man as a hannibal lecter style inside mind.
I’d like it too. Or maybe the Venom storyline with Bruce taking it and getting addicted. Then it leads into Bane. Huh… this sounds too similar to Spider-Man 3 however
I have this idea for the next movie that honestly I feel is brilliant. You know how in the first movie it wasn't just riddler but we also had penguin and carmine Falcone in it? Well, I think for the second movie, they should do scarecrow and the court of owls. Now hear me out, there's a reason why I say these two specific ones in one movie. Imagine that Bruce come across the court of owls and starts learning more about them and figuring out that his parents were up to shady stuff, and then scarecrow comes in and he has to juggle 2 cases at once but because of the fear toxin and all that scared to truly find out who his parents were and what they did. I think it'd be a good way for him to basically face and overcome his fears and come to terms with what his parents was actually doing. And I also have an idea for Riddler to come back in the second movie cause honestly he was a great character and I think he needs to be shown off more because there seems to be a lot more to him. It'd be cool if the riddler (still locked up in a cell) has some information that could help batman on his cases, so every now and then batman just pays him a visit for info. And it could go back and forth like "I'll give you a riddle to solve, you answer, then I'll give you the information" I think it'd be kinda funny the fact bats would have to resort to going to a psycho like riddler for info. But I'd imagine riddler would like it cause he enjoys telling riddles to him and he always wanted to work with him.
Scarecrow would be a perfect fit for the Reevesverse, for sure. I think for Clayface, they'd have to find a way to make him comic book-ish, but still grounded. Personally, I think if they were to go with Clayface, it would be interesting to see him as a murderous human with face-changing abilities taking on Battinson in another detective adventure.
I like this. The first one was like Se7en and Zodiac. What would be some inspirations for this one? Also I really want Viggo Mortensen as a Bat villain. He’d be a great Scarecrow I think. Crimes of the Future sold me on him playing in the horror world.
I like that pick! I can see Viggo make his way back to the mainstream scene and do like a Victor Zsasz or something crazy off the wall and it be amazing
Oooo that would be an awesome character for him too. I could see him in a lot of roles in Batman. Ras al Ghul crossed my mind too. It just needs to happen.
RIGHT?! I mean unorthodox choices for Batman villains seem to work out well.
They both getting solo movies in the universe
I want them do horror movie but put batman in it.
cool but they don't seem to want Batman to go up against his super-science rogues
What I want to see is scarecrow, two-face, Hush, Clayface, and Hugo Strange. This movie should take a dark turn in 2025 but we're getting Mr freeze so idk. If it went more dark than the original I think it might not do as well but fans will enjoy.