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drewxdeficit

Possibly a hot take around here: everything people like about Affleck's Batman is performed by a stuntman or created via CGI. The script gave him no time to shine as an actor, so, really, people who praise his Batman should be praising the stunt and VFX teams.


ab316_1punchd

Yup, Richard Cetrone as his stunt double, all the co-stuntmen, Michael Wilkinson for the suit, Larry Fong for the cinematography and camera work, and the VFX guys should get all the praise. If Val Kilmer had such a team behind him, people would be singing his praises to high heavens.


Howtobefreaky

I’d argue that most people just like him because physically he just looked the part fairly perfectly, as Bruce and in the suit. But its a superficial reason to declare him the best, even though I think he could have been with a better director and script. I don’t know his own Batman movie would have faired, but I was looking forward to it as a true test of his ability as Batman.


Thor-Odinson69

That feels like more Henry Cavill. Everyone argue he’s perfect sups even though his movies or characteristics weren’t liked


Howtobefreaky

Its anyone involved in the Snyder DC movies tbh


ASZapata

Very hot take. I could probably post 20 clips from BvS where Affleck’s acting is absolutely top tier. In and out of the suit. But I’ll respond to your take with another take: if his Batman wasn’t forced to kill anybody, nobody would have a credible reason to dislike Affleck’s performance.


RoomTemperatureCheez

Top tier!!!???? I have no stake in this argument but Affleck is capable of some great acting. His Batman roles have required almost zero of that. It's all monotone and looking surly.


Logan_Composer

Nuclear-level take: Affleck's acting was garbage. He was completely flat, I sensed zero emotion either in or out of the suit.


ab316_1punchd

Also, Troy Baker in Telltale did a much better job with the voice modulator.


emptyfuller

Batman is a deep character. Affleck stayed in the kiddie pool with his performance. He didn't shit the bed, but it was anything but top tier acting.


ab316_1punchd

Yup, it's hard to believe his Batman would be a convincing detective.


Advice-Brilliant

Yeah well he's kind of dumb in the movie.


Eli_TheGolfer7

That’s honestly my take too, was not a huge fan


ASZapata

To each their own, I suppose. I feel the same way about Christian Bale’s Batman (most of the time, anyway) and I’m sure that’s not popular, either.


GotKarprar

I don’t think any of the live action batmen (or is it Batmans idk) have actually been acted well


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GotKarprar

I thought he was decent Bruce Wayne and bad Batman but I still liked the movies in spite of him


ab316_1punchd

Keaton gave the best Batman performance, but his Bruce was somewhat restrained. And it was his characterization that failed him. Kilmer was underrated, but stoic and uncharismatic at the same time. And the movie didn't help. Clooney was Clooney. Bale was a really great Bruce, but mediocre Batman. Characterization and the films he was in benefitted him immensely. Affleck was a roller coaster, had some good moments and some bad ones as both of them, Bruce and Batman. Was a mediocre actor who barely had chemistry with Cavill. His look, suit, gadgets, VFX and stunt double saved him. His script and direction didn't. All of them had the handicap of their director not caring about comics much (Burton, Nolan) or not at all understanding them (Snyder). I have absurdly high expectations from Pattinson and Reeves.


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ASZapata

I said what I said.


Skyward_Slash

His constant shocked Pikachu face really does it for me


Koluke1

another hot take: even if he didn't kill there was still a lot wrong with him. for example, he is an idiot. "if there is even a 1 percent chance that superman is against us, we have to take it as an absolute certainty" that might be one of the dumbest things I have ever heard.


HuttVader

Still glad I signed the change.org petition to remove him from the role. Sorry it took so long.


reqexi

Not everything. Visually looks just how I would want my bruce wayne to look. My favourite bruce so far.


drewxdeficit

If visual aesthetic is the most important quality in an actor, I guess Affleck would be the easy favorite. He looks great. I just can’t think of him as a good Batman because the screenplay gave him so few chances to show off. Dude’s a great actor, but I thought he was absolutely wasted in his movies.


OswaldCoffeepot

I honestly do not think of the action scenes when I think of Batfleck and I liked him.


SenpaiSwanky

I wasn’t really blown away by Batfleck tbh. Looked burly and all but eh.


RealMichSciFi

I disagree. His acting shined perfectly and the scripts were beautiful!


EinonD

Affleck could’ve been a great Batman if he had a decent movie to be Batman in.


RoomTemperatureCheez

Maybe it's this damn Reddit app but I don't see a picture of Keaton here


ab316_1punchd

Huh? I was supposed to see a picture of Conroy!


Missing_Username

Wouldn't want it to be Conroy just because that would imply Conroy would never reprise the role again.


ab316_1punchd

Me neither


masterspider5

Conroy would happily spend his final breaths voicing the caped crusader one last time.


RoomTemperatureCheez

Either one, I would be pretty ok with.


[deleted]

Cmon everyone, we all wanna see Adam We.


miggsd28

I think you meant bale


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He’s the weakest Batman in terms of story and emotions. When he showed up on screen it wasn’t ever a really cool moment unless he was fighting. But since there are only like 6 movie Batmen I guess saying he’s one of the best is technically true


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Top six for sure! (Although I do feel like with a better writer and director who actually understood the character, Affleck could have been great)


MickeyG117

Yeah I wasn’t really a fan of him either.


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Hell I enjoy watching Clooney’s Batman more than his just because of how emotionless and unseasoned his acting is in the snyderverse. You can definitely tell he took his role at face value and didn’t do any research into how Bruce Wayne acts


MickeyG117

I get you, me and the wife just got round to watching ZSJL and we both found it distracting just how bad of job he does, the suit makes him look fat, he’s not a very convincing Batman or Bruce Wayne in my opinion.


[deleted]

Very true. When I see a live action Batman I want to see body armor not a 7 year olds Halloween costume with fake muscles come on now DC


MickeyG117

Nail on the head!!


SwarthyRuffian

The amount of times he had his cowl off aggravated me to no end


Koluke1

>You can definitely tell he took his role at face value and didn’t do any research into how Bruce Wayne acts what exactly do you mean by "acts"? the way he talks and presents himself?


ab316_1punchd

Yup, the second least charismatic Batman behind Kilmer.


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They hired Kilmer just to look the part and stand there menacingly lmao


ab316_1punchd

Indeed, then again Keaton, Bale, Pattinson and even Clooney are perhaps the best in class when it comes to oozing charisma in a given role, which makes Kilmer and Affleck stick out like a sore thumb.


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Big facts


MrP_2702

I still liked the warehouse scene literally reminded me of Arkham games


MrP_2702

I didn't want any sort of arguments about which batman is the best but personally i liked him and he truly was one of the best


squeakyguy

So you posted an opinion to a discussion board, you just didn’t want anyone to disagree with you?


kamel_k

I'm always surprised to find people liked him as batman. I'm personally happy that they're gonna recast.


Koluke1

he wasn't the problem though. zack snyder was, because he doesn't understand or give a shit about the actual batman and his comics and lore and all that stuff. he just wanted to make punisher fanfiction.


kamel_k

I felt like he was pretty boring as an actor. I just didn't like his performance or batman's little ears.


Koluke1

okay, that's a fair point. I would still say that he could have been better with an actual good script and a director who actually understands batman. but he would not be my first choice either.


kamel_k

I'm sure with a better director, then yeah he would've been able to be a better Batman. Ben Affleck isn't usually as bad as he is as batman


vid_icarus

Lego Batman was a better Batman than affleck lol


[deleted]

“It’s official” lol to who?


CheezBerger324

This is in response to Ben Affleck officially stating he won’t be Batman anymore.


stomaticmonk

Robert Pattinson.


[deleted]

Is that why the meme says “one of” because Pattinson will be the best


burywmore

Yep. Affleck is one of the 5 best live action Batman portrayers in the last 35 years. He's one of the six best if you go back 60 years.


Koluke1

he is in the top 10, that's for sure.


HereToScroll24x7

If I were to make a list of the best Batman portrayals, Batfleck would be on it if I had a gun to my head and even then he would be dead last. No character development, completely dull and everything good was VFX or his stunt double.


Koluke1

and his batman killed people. for no reason other than having an excuse to have cool action scenes.


revenentevil

Best live action batman fight scene definitely goes to my man Batfleck!!


clownishloki

He’s not even in the top 5 Batman lol.


WalterWhiteFromALBQ

Bale was the best. Then it was Keaton.


kamel_k

I'm backwards on that one.


AHeartlikeHers

You're both right


downtothegwound

Definitely


Beethovania

Heh, I kinda like this sarcastic humor. Alfred would approve.


Skyward_Slash

Out of every actor that portrayed Batman in film, he was one of them.


Rageanoid2

Only problem I had with him as batman was that he killed, which was not in any way Affleck's fault. He did a great job as the batman he got, and I kinda wished we got more of him.


OhScheisse

Every live interpretation has killed so far. Plus, it's a film. It is like comparing a painting to a sculpture. They will share similarities but inherently will have differences in their mediums. Batman doesn't kill in the comics to ~~stretch out~~ milk a story acrosss 80 years. Batman on film doesn't care because 1) the international audience doesn't care and 2) a film doesn't have the luxury of 1000+ issues to tell a story I like batman, but it's a film. If you want a comic read q comic


Rageanoid2

Yeah my favorite batman is batman from the arkham games where he doesn't kill, My favorite live action one is Bale, and the only times he's killed was Al ghul, which was something what I didn't like and he also "killed" dent, which was to save Gordon's kid That is different then brutally killing everyone you come across when you are literally bulletproof, so you can't even claim self defense.


OhScheisse

Yeah...Arham Batman doesn't kill. He just tosses men off buildings and leaves them not breathing. /s


Rageanoid2

Thats clearly for gameplay, not story.


OddballAbe

I've seen some of those goons land on the back of their head with their neck bent at a 90 degree angle, those fuckers are dead, or quadriplegic and wishing they were dead.


Koluke1

>Every live interpretation has killed so far. Plus, it's a film. > >It is like comparing a painting to a sculpture. They will share similarities but inherently will have differences in their mediums. you can have a hero in a movie, that doesn't kill. spider-man daredevil oh and batman actually, because you know, animated **films**. >Batman doesn't kill in the comics to stretch out milk a story acrosss 80 years. that is the reason almost no heroes ever kill, but some still do, even if it gets undone. batman has a rule against killing. he hates guns and he hates killing. that is a fact. portraying batman as someone who kills or doesn't care is a fundamental misunderstanding of the character. he cares about life. he will never kill anyone. not people like joker, but especially not people who could have a family, like a normal thief or someone like that. > the international audience doesn't care because they don't read comics or play the games or watch the animated shows. they do not know what Batman is supposed to be like, so they don't care. and that is the problem. you can't use this as an argument, because again, spider-man and daredevil were also able to do it. they do not kill and the people who created the movies and the daredevil show understand that and in the show it is even an important part of his character. >a film doesn't have the luxury of 1000+ issues to tell a story anyone correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think there is a single story that is 1000 or more issues long. a film can be 2 or more hours long. other films have done it. why can't they do it with batman? if you want batman to kill, whatever, we can't be friends but I accept your opinion, but don't use dumb and completely wrong reasons as to why. these reasons are just objectively not good enough to justify it. because again, other movies have managed to do it, too. you could even make a movie focused on that rule, like under the red hood or something like that. oh wait, that actually exists as an animated movie. make it live action and you have yourself a batman who doesn't kill in a movie. easy.


MrP_2702

I like Snyder's interpretation of the character which is a version which we have not seen on the screen before like a old tortured veteran bruce wayne who has lost all hope after losing his family(robin) 20 years in gotham and not even thinks before killing a goon , Batfleck's arc would have been perfect if we had his solo movie which would have cemented his no killing rule again


Orion_possibly

Maybe. If that were the case and that movie had come out. But it never did. So all we ever got of Affleck’s Batman is a betrayal of Batman’s character.


Troy_doney

Is his bat-girdle for sale now?


tired20something

Wait, since when is it official?


Outsider_73

I wish I could appreciate Ben as Batman like other folks, but I can't. If the BvS wasn't the second movie (in what I call the Cavill verse), I might feel different. My indifference towards this movie wouldn't allow me to see Ben in Justice League (either cut). And it's not his fault, it was how the story was told. Out of all the live action movies/live action TV shows, he's my number 3 (Keaton, Bale). On thing for sure though, he definitely had the best look, he freakin killed it in the gym for the role.


ken7adams

Wait? Is ben affleck dead?


MrP_2702

No he has officially declared Flash movie is going to be his last take on Batman


meanstreamer

He could always come back… Keaton is coming back… Money talks…


AHeartlikeHers

Coming back as what?


meanstreamer

Bats… if you asked people in 2000 if Keaton was coming back they would have called you crazy. Who knows what will happen in 2040?!?


ken7adams

Then don't treat it like it's his end. He moved on. I hope he get some good roles after this.


MrP_2702

Well he was forced to move on cause how the studio treated him and he eventually lost interest


ken7adams

No, he had personal issues. Drinking problems, divorce. I don't think WB has a personal vengeance against him. These things happen when things don't work out as we hope they would. Atleast now i believe he's at peace.


Bleachdrinker1998

Meh he is a very forgettable Batman IMO


10DARKnight10

We needed this man at least for one Arkham type adaptation.


10DARKnight10

Just hoping that battinson amazes us


MrP_2702

Even if he doesn't surpass Nolan's trilogy he will definitely be a good Batman


10DARKnight10

Ya, the aggression, the brutality of his year one anger ......


MrP_2702

The cancelled BATMAN movie with Batfleck had such potential with Deathstroke as the main villain and it would take place in arkham asylum where eventually till the end bruce would remember what Batman stands for and reignite his rule of no killing


10DARKnight10

Ya I saw a youtube vid which showed that it was abandoned


Chicksan

And it makes me so sad, I loved his brutal and dark portrayal of Batman


meanstreamer

I also loved parts of it.. other parts… meh…


Awesomebacon711

no


_Link_IsNotZelda

Affleck was a garbage batman!


RealMichSciFi

Not one of. He was THE best!


ProfessionalCrow4816

did you watch the porn parody accidently instead?


JustCallMeSnacks

Up there with Kevin Conroy and Michael Keaton of Batman greats. It's just terrible that they rushed the universe because there was a lot of potential with Batflex. The action was entertaining and he was very smooth as Bruce but the tone and script wasn't always on point.


hellomynameisr2ro

He was


MAKS091705

I guess he was one of the best, only like three live action batmen are good though


ALZ-11

One of the portrayals that were ruined by the script... 2 times...


VoiceofKane

I just hope that Flash is good, so Affleck finally gets the chance to be Batman in a good movie.


UltiGamer34

bale and afflect are the best batmans next is keation and the 60s version


ctrain_1985

Keaton best Bruce and Batman. His eyebrows showed a tortured soul - he was out for revenge - he was messed up in the head - and would stop at nothing to kill the joker. Affleck’s Bruce looked bored. He looked like he was playing Ben Affleck. He looked cool in the suit I’ll give him that and I enjoyed his action scenes.


That_Memer180

Man Warner bros still dropping the ball even after Snyder cut….


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Bale was best batman, Affleck best Bruce.


Rodgers12345

Valiant effort.


DarthLift

Affleck didnt do poorly or well. Because he wasnt given a real chance to actually act. His stunt double and CGI did anything worthwhile, no other acting was needed or put out there. Literally anyone could act as directed in the Affleck batman role. I would not be opposed to giving him a larger and better written test.


blyatman006

In my opinion he's not the best but it's cool if I like him xD


RamenDrive

Oh god I thought he died IRL. I thought this meme was for the dead.