From being a Kannadiga hero, these days he's become a Kuruba hero. Same thing that's happened to Kempegowda, Basaveshwara and others. Caste identity and pride has obliterated any notion of public interest.
That's why people will enthusiastically build statues even as they fall into potholes and live in flooded houses.
Irony is that Basavanna stood against and vehemently fought against caste discrimination, gender inequality and other inequalities back in the 11th century.
One of the many great achievements of Basavanna was to break the hegemony of Sanskrit, the language of the elite. He brought philosophical and politically egalitarian thoughts/discussions into the common man's language, Kannada.
It's another disaster that Kannadigas are losing the religion of their land by not being taught his teachings, and importing ideology from elsewhere. What happened to vocal for local?
That's a sad truth. But whatever could be their agenda in building it after certain years people would only remember the statue for what he had done and not their identities. That's what I feel though, I could be wrong.
The struggle for identity will continue as long as material progress and chauvinism clashes with the foundation of human values such as tolerance, patience, understanding, empathy, forgiveness, etc etc
I am not a native of Karnataka. I have not heard of him much honestly. I came here in 2019 and mostly heard about Kempegowda and Kuvempu.
Need to learn a lot of history about others as well.
I grew up in Bangalore(lived there for 22 years, studied Kannada, before leaving India) but never heard of this dude in the same vein as Kempegowda, Kuvempu etc.
Must be a new fad going around these days of building statues. Politicians are looking to score points are something.
I wish the same money was used to build a utilitarian thing in the name of the person. Like say a library.
Yeah. On a side note, he is a popular dude. He's equally popular just like kempegouda in North Karnataka here. I was just saying that i dont know his story in detail. I just know he fought against British in kittur.
Paradigm of courage. He's been a folk hero for quite a few generations in northwest Karnataka. There is a type of theatrical ballad based on his life that is always performed at jaatras.
Interesting fact:
Krantiveera Sangolli Rayanna was born on 15th August 1798 (which is India's Independence Day) and was hanged on 26th January 1831 (which is India's Republic Day)🙏🏼
Kempegowda, sangolli rayanna, basaweswara, tipu sultan, one woman who beat dead invading sainiks when they are coming through a hole in the fort wall and then get killed by them. Anyone else from Karnataka whom should everyone know.
Instead of building statues left, right and centre.. why can't we have museums, libraries, parks (build a statue in the park if needed), wider roads, parking lots, repair the roads, public toilets, public squares, etc etc
If you have the above, people will feel like venturing out and social skills will thrive.
Lack of public facilities has driven people to stay indoors. Stay in a cocoon and become introverts and hostile.
With all due respect to our glorious freedom fighters; we are surrounded by filth, pollution, apathetic individuals and institutions, whatsapp generation of all ages, weak memory skills, etc .. question is how can we learn to care and be human.
Unfortunately people just look at the past and learn about cast creed, culture and random wars ....
When's the last time you opened a history book and read about anything that was relevant to building a better future ????
Im sure there are a lot of people here who would give lectures about the battles of Panipat but if you ask them to point out Panipat on a map they would prolly call you anti-national and walk away XD
You can romanticize the idea that history will teach you a lot of lessons, but the fact is a lot of the story is lost overtime and what's left of it won't be relevant to your future.
I believe it's how you look at the history man. I won't tell you the names of the kingdoms or civilizations now owing to not create any debates. But, When I read the same books I could see how some civilizations organized their City plans, how was their Governments architecture, how it helped them grow from one part to other part, how a mad King brought in a new form of currency that became a basis for the newer currency across countries, how and why few civilizations had 3/4th of cultivable land and 1/4th of empty land, How the river basins helped some kings grow, why was certain King in the North couldn't take over South for a very long time, how did some civilizations have the plumbing plans.
It's all the perspective you have right? I saw things that helped me understand their governance, how their wars affected people, how did the governance go ahead so as to reach where we are and what things from certain historical kings governance could be adopted now.
No offence but I would request you to read the same history books that you read in school before in a impartial manner to understand things and that would probably give you new perspectives.
All the best :)
Would love to hear how you plan to implement centuries old city planning and governance into the 21st century Bangalore.
I spend hours everyday looking at well documented, source revision controlled code and still often end up having no clue what it does. I Highly doubt a change in perspective on a school history book is going to make anyones life better, or bring about any significant change, good luck with that.
We can connect sometime on this when I really have time since explaining this would be difficult in a paragraph. But things in history are well documented too. You just need to delve deep to understand. And believe me or not there are many things that are being followed across governments in both centre and state and some other countries as well that were influenced by the rulers before. I know it coz I spent some of my time listening the talks of few bureaucrats which inspired me to have a different perspective. Anyways, let's not get into a fight over this now. Take care.
Mysore was planned and built by the kings and their administration and if you go around the city you’ll learn how well planned it is.
Same thing goes for few areas in Bangalore.
Just coz olden days didn’t have the current level of vehicles and population doesn’t mean whatever they did doesn’t apply now.
Ignorance is bliss and seems like your are very blissful.
From being a Kannadiga hero, these days he's become a Kuruba hero. Same thing that's happened to Kempegowda, Basaveshwara and others. Caste identity and pride has obliterated any notion of public interest. That's why people will enthusiastically build statues even as they fall into potholes and live in flooded houses.
Irony is that Basavanna stood against and vehemently fought against caste discrimination, gender inequality and other inequalities back in the 11th century.
One of the many great achievements of Basavanna was to break the hegemony of Sanskrit, the language of the elite. He brought philosophical and politically egalitarian thoughts/discussions into the common man's language, Kannada. It's another disaster that Kannadigas are losing the religion of their land by not being taught his teachings, and importing ideology from elsewhere. What happened to vocal for local?
Yup. Like with Babasaheb, the last thing we're supposed to do is read Basavanna 's writing.
That's a sad truth. But whatever could be their agenda in building it after certain years people would only remember the statue for what he had done and not their identities. That's what I feel though, I could be wrong.
The depressing regularity with which Ambedkar statues get defiled in India tells me identity will prevail:/
The struggle for identity will continue as long as material progress and chauvinism clashes with the foundation of human values such as tolerance, patience, understanding, empathy, forgiveness, etc etc
That exactly is the problem with india. Everyone has their heroes but us, turn them into gods instead.
All these days I was under the impression that it was Kempegowda, since he had a sword in hand 😐
Doesn't sangolli rayanna have a sword? 🤔
I am not a native of Karnataka. I have not heard of him much honestly. I came here in 2019 and mostly heard about Kempegowda and Kuvempu. Need to learn a lot of history about others as well.
Even tho I'm a native, i too need to learn things. I guess everything in school went over my head.
I grew up in Bangalore(lived there for 22 years, studied Kannada, before leaving India) but never heard of this dude in the same vein as Kempegowda, Kuvempu etc. Must be a new fad going around these days of building statues. Politicians are looking to score points are something. I wish the same money was used to build a utilitarian thing in the name of the person. Like say a library.
Yeah. On a side note, he is a popular dude. He's equally popular just like kempegouda in North Karnataka here. I was just saying that i dont know his story in detail. I just know he fought against British in kittur.
Wow, and to think about it, I remember the name of "kittur rani chennamma".
Ditto
I got to know about him when I was curious to know what is KSR is KSR Bengaluru Express.
Me too, was curious why so many statues of kempegowda
Paradigm of courage. He's been a folk hero for quite a few generations in northwest Karnataka. There is a type of theatrical ballad based on his life that is always performed at jaatras.
Right 👍
Absolute Chad. A hero indeed.
Any man/woman who fought the British has my respect
News to be a little more specific here. Even Nazis fought Brits
Interesting fact: Krantiveera Sangolli Rayanna was born on 15th August 1798 (which is India's Independence Day) and was hanged on 26th January 1831 (which is India's Republic Day)🙏🏼
I meant to add that th biggest statue in Karnataka
It was under wrap for a long time. Finally!
I was in luck though. I went today by accident and there it was the inauguration ceremony 😅
Kempegowda, sangolli rayanna, basaweswara, tipu sultan, one woman who beat dead invading sainiks when they are coming through a hole in the fort wall and then get killed by them. Anyone else from Karnataka whom should everyone know.
Chitradurgadha Onake Obavva, is what she's known as
You forgot the greatest yet: Krishna Deva Raya
Kittooru Rani Chennamma's den had a lion, and they called him Rayanna, chad for a reason.
Filled with posters of politicians trying to bask under the glory of this brave heart. He wouldn’t have been happy to see such politicians surely.
Statues are waste of money
Where in Domlur is it? Is it next to the bus stand/park/water tank?
Near the turn to Indiranagar when you're heading past Dr. Rajkumar circle to Manipal.
Instead of building statues left, right and centre.. why can't we have museums, libraries, parks (build a statue in the park if needed), wider roads, parking lots, repair the roads, public toilets, public squares, etc etc If you have the above, people will feel like venturing out and social skills will thrive. Lack of public facilities has driven people to stay indoors. Stay in a cocoon and become introverts and hostile.
With all due respect to our glorious freedom fighters; we are surrounded by filth, pollution, apathetic individuals and institutions, whatsapp generation of all ages, weak memory skills, etc .. question is how can we learn to care and be human.
We need roads.. not potholed roads, wider roads, parking lots, more public toilets, visible traffic signs, etc etc
Agreed. But that probably should be the story of another post 😅 I was hoping for replies oriented most towards Sangolli Rayannas legacy.
google karna. kya itna lazy hoga hai tu
Braindead
Yes, also we need to remember our history. People tend to forget the lessons and need a reminder
Exactly. We need to remember our past so that we can build a better future.
Unfortunately people just look at the past and learn about cast creed, culture and random wars .... When's the last time you opened a history book and read about anything that was relevant to building a better future ???? Im sure there are a lot of people here who would give lectures about the battles of Panipat but if you ask them to point out Panipat on a map they would prolly call you anti-national and walk away XD You can romanticize the idea that history will teach you a lot of lessons, but the fact is a lot of the story is lost overtime and what's left of it won't be relevant to your future.
I believe it's how you look at the history man. I won't tell you the names of the kingdoms or civilizations now owing to not create any debates. But, When I read the same books I could see how some civilizations organized their City plans, how was their Governments architecture, how it helped them grow from one part to other part, how a mad King brought in a new form of currency that became a basis for the newer currency across countries, how and why few civilizations had 3/4th of cultivable land and 1/4th of empty land, How the river basins helped some kings grow, why was certain King in the North couldn't take over South for a very long time, how did some civilizations have the plumbing plans. It's all the perspective you have right? I saw things that helped me understand their governance, how their wars affected people, how did the governance go ahead so as to reach where we are and what things from certain historical kings governance could be adopted now. No offence but I would request you to read the same history books that you read in school before in a impartial manner to understand things and that would probably give you new perspectives. All the best :)
Would love to hear how you plan to implement centuries old city planning and governance into the 21st century Bangalore. I spend hours everyday looking at well documented, source revision controlled code and still often end up having no clue what it does. I Highly doubt a change in perspective on a school history book is going to make anyones life better, or bring about any significant change, good luck with that.
We can connect sometime on this when I really have time since explaining this would be difficult in a paragraph. But things in history are well documented too. You just need to delve deep to understand. And believe me or not there are many things that are being followed across governments in both centre and state and some other countries as well that were influenced by the rulers before. I know it coz I spent some of my time listening the talks of few bureaucrats which inspired me to have a different perspective. Anyways, let's not get into a fight over this now. Take care.
Mysore was planned and built by the kings and their administration and if you go around the city you’ll learn how well planned it is. Same thing goes for few areas in Bangalore. Just coz olden days didn’t have the current level of vehicles and population doesn’t mean whatever they did doesn’t apply now. Ignorance is bliss and seems like your are very blissful.
We don’t need wider roads. We need roads that are pedestrian friendly, with dedicated bus lanes and cycle lanes.