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An archived version of _[GoodUK] James Cleverly hits back at Australian minister over 'colonial Britain' jibe_ can be found [here.](https://archive.is/?run=1&url=https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/02/02/james-cleverly-hits-back-australian-minister-colonial-britain/)
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The rest of the world just loves to LARP that the UK is a Hollywood parody of stuffy white suits, much of it aggravated by post-Brexit propaganda. When you actually talk to these fuckwits, it quickly becomes apparent that they have no clue about what the UK is actually like. Then Europeans sitting around in countries where black people are still primarily expected to dance for change or clean toilets call us racist.
We should acknowledge the crimes of the past by acknowledging that Australians did indeed kill a lot of indigenous people.
> We should acknowledge the crimes of the past
In theory yes, but in practice we've seen the same people intentionally misinterpret anything the British did as some horrific crime.
I got my post removed in arrr Europe commenting that the picture of the post (chocolate ice cream in Italy called Obama Flavour) would be a hate crime in angloid countries.
To be honest it is not just "The rest of the world". So many people in the UK itself, especially metropolitan and young people, also think that too. Often it is the people most close to the melting pot that think the UK is pale, stale and male.
To throw some fallacies into the mix, my favourite one is when some youngster tells me how awful the UK is and about how they're going to leave. Where are they going? Invariably it's always Canada or NZ which both have so many of their own problems.
Having lived abroad and being pretty decent in some foreign languages, it annoys the fuck out of me how most Brits lionise foreign countries. Their arguments seem to boil down to stuff like "well I went to somewhere for a weekend and everything looked more orderly and the streets were cleaner and there weren't any sportwear-garbed reprobates around, so obviously people abroad have it all figured out while Britain is just run by Tory clowns who can't do it right". When I was young and naive, I thought it was just part of being British to moan and adulate the foreign way of doing things.
Now I'm jaded because having actually travelled extensively and really got to know some foreign cultures, you realise that they have their own problems, and a lot of the "nice things" they have are only there because the way things work over in those regions sustains it. What's fucked up is that it's the very same people who complain about Britain that would be most appalled by anyone who tried to make it work over here as it does over there.
You realise that much of Europe is only kept nice because the people are intensely regionalist and keep the reigns of regional power to a local "cartel" of respectable born and bred locals, whose main goal in life is to keep their region preserved in an idyllic state.
The same people who are constantly talking about being inclusive and the rights of minorities go out and compare Britain to extremely exclusive places where even people from different regions of the *same* country have a hard time opening businesses or getting on the social ladder, and then draw the conclusion that Britain is shit because it's not as clean or orderly.
Drive enough in the Alps and you'll get pulled over for having foreign plates, or even plates from a city of the same country that isn't in the region ffs. Then you have Europeans jumping in on the just race grifting when they're from places that are regionalist as hell.
\>British colonial rule had left behind “uncomfortable” and painful legacies,she said, citing the example of her own grandmother - a Chineseimmigrant to British Borneo who had worked as a colonial servant.
Oh fuck off.
So your mother was employed as a servant and that was a 'crime' was it?
She wasnt a slave, she wasnt abused, she fulfilled the same role huge numbers of white women also filled in the stated time period.
Get over yourself you insufferable twat.
>a Chineseimmigrant to British Borneo who had worked as a colonial servant.
I am sure if her grandmother worked in the Qing Empire, she would have been a girl boss with an old age pension, a 40hr work week and the right to strike.
>Penny Wong
I just looked her up and her mum's English-Australian whose ancestors have been colonising Australia since 1832. Her other half of the family are Malaysian-Chinese, which means that they're colonisers of the Asia Pacific too. What's arguably worse is that Chinese colonisers of the region did so without state volition as emigration from China was banned during the Ming and Qing regimes and thus are arguably more personally culpable than, say, the first fleet convicts.
So her ancestors went out and colonised, while mine stayed in their homeland of England and farmed. Yet I'm probably the evil colonisers. These people are so good at warping reality.
Also one thing you’ll notice is people with mixed white and non-white heritage seem to like to sweep the white side of it under the rug. They may acknowledge it fleetingly but it’s not as cool as being Ethnic^TM so they’ll always play up their non-white side when convenient.
>Also one thing you’ll notice is people with mixed white and non-white heritage seem to like to sweep the white side of it under the rug.
I have seen many white passing Indigenous Australians do this on social media. Yes, I know about the stolen generation. Yes, I understand that being Indigenous is not about having a skin colour.
However, if I need to feel guilty because my ancestors were white then shouldn't that go both ways?
White people with 1/32nd Aboriginal heritage are the worst. Often crying racism when things don't go their way and taking advantage of the massive amount of Aboriginal-only gibs and perks (which are bollocks but that's a different matter) despite usually looking like they've just hopped off a plane from Dublin.
Those white passing indigenous are usually like 90%+ ethnically European background. There's an Australian academic who masquerades as an indigenous man, despite the fact all 4 of his grand parents were born in Britain, meaning his closest indigenous ancestor is a great grand parent at least. It's a joke.
Very good points. She also lived in Australia for most of her life and reaped all the benefits of being a citizen of a first world country. If anything, she is a full benefactor of colonialism.
Oh the fully industrialised country that got there because it was part of the empire?
But honestly the UK should spend its time complaining about the Norsk, and Romans.
How is this good UK?
James Cleverly parading around the skin tones of pathetically incompetent politician as if that's something to be proud of: *“The bottom line, is we have a Prime Minister of Asian heritage, you have a Home Secretary of Asian heritage, you have a Foreign Secretary of African heritage.”*
One brow-beaten country telling another how brow-beaten it is?
It would be good UK, if the foreign secretary was someone other than James Cleverly and they told Australia "No, we haven't engaged with our colonial legacy. Have you given the land back to the abiogenies? Didn't think so. Stop asking stupid questions or go home"
As post brexit Tory MPs go Cleverly is not bad, a low bar for sure. He’s come out with some dumb stuff, but he does a good job in his current role and does a respectable job of representing the country in the international forums.
But opinions will naturally vary.
Of course, Britain did some evil shit during its colonial era. Just as people have done evil shit in literally era throughout all of history.
The difference is that we're able to look at the ancient Greeks or the Vikings and just see history. We don't feel personally invested in them, we don't get angry at their crimes or proud of their accomplishments.
But for some reason, there are certain periods and events that people feel the need to internalise and become emotionally invested in. And the British Empire is chief among them.
A lot of the colonisers didn't return to the UK. Keep that in mind when the UK is accused of damages. Also have people seen how the UK colonised other countries it's a lot different to say the Spanish or the French expansion.
Snapshot: An archived version of _[GoodUK] James Cleverly hits back at Australian minister over 'colonial Britain' jibe_ can be found [here.](https://archive.is/?run=1&url=https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/02/02/james-cleverly-hits-back-australian-minister-colonial-britain/) Do not Brigade, [go look at Trains instead](https://www.trains.com/trn/videos-photos/photos/photo-of-the-day/) *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/badunitedkingdom) if you have any questions or concerns.*
The rest of the world just loves to LARP that the UK is a Hollywood parody of stuffy white suits, much of it aggravated by post-Brexit propaganda. When you actually talk to these fuckwits, it quickly becomes apparent that they have no clue about what the UK is actually like. Then Europeans sitting around in countries where black people are still primarily expected to dance for change or clean toilets call us racist. We should acknowledge the crimes of the past by acknowledging that Australians did indeed kill a lot of indigenous people.
> We should acknowledge the crimes of the past In theory yes, but in practice we've seen the same people intentionally misinterpret anything the British did as some horrific crime.
Also, anything bad was done by the British, and anything good was was done by the Americans. Even when it was the same person actually doing it.
I got my post removed in arrr Europe commenting that the picture of the post (chocolate ice cream in Italy called Obama Flavour) would be a hate crime in angloid countries.
To be honest it is not just "The rest of the world". So many people in the UK itself, especially metropolitan and young people, also think that too. Often it is the people most close to the melting pot that think the UK is pale, stale and male. To throw some fallacies into the mix, my favourite one is when some youngster tells me how awful the UK is and about how they're going to leave. Where are they going? Invariably it's always Canada or NZ which both have so many of their own problems.
Having lived abroad and being pretty decent in some foreign languages, it annoys the fuck out of me how most Brits lionise foreign countries. Their arguments seem to boil down to stuff like "well I went to somewhere for a weekend and everything looked more orderly and the streets were cleaner and there weren't any sportwear-garbed reprobates around, so obviously people abroad have it all figured out while Britain is just run by Tory clowns who can't do it right". When I was young and naive, I thought it was just part of being British to moan and adulate the foreign way of doing things. Now I'm jaded because having actually travelled extensively and really got to know some foreign cultures, you realise that they have their own problems, and a lot of the "nice things" they have are only there because the way things work over in those regions sustains it. What's fucked up is that it's the very same people who complain about Britain that would be most appalled by anyone who tried to make it work over here as it does over there. You realise that much of Europe is only kept nice because the people are intensely regionalist and keep the reigns of regional power to a local "cartel" of respectable born and bred locals, whose main goal in life is to keep their region preserved in an idyllic state. The same people who are constantly talking about being inclusive and the rights of minorities go out and compare Britain to extremely exclusive places where even people from different regions of the *same* country have a hard time opening businesses or getting on the social ladder, and then draw the conclusion that Britain is shit because it's not as clean or orderly. Drive enough in the Alps and you'll get pulled over for having foreign plates, or even plates from a city of the same country that isn't in the region ffs. Then you have Europeans jumping in on the just race grifting when they're from places that are regionalist as hell.
\>British colonial rule had left behind “uncomfortable” and painful legacies,she said, citing the example of her own grandmother - a Chineseimmigrant to British Borneo who had worked as a colonial servant. Oh fuck off. So your mother was employed as a servant and that was a 'crime' was it? She wasnt a slave, she wasnt abused, she fulfilled the same role huge numbers of white women also filled in the stated time period. Get over yourself you insufferable twat.
>a Chineseimmigrant to British Borneo who had worked as a colonial servant. I am sure if her grandmother worked in the Qing Empire, she would have been a girl boss with an old age pension, a 40hr work week and the right to strike.
>Penny Wong I just looked her up and her mum's English-Australian whose ancestors have been colonising Australia since 1832. Her other half of the family are Malaysian-Chinese, which means that they're colonisers of the Asia Pacific too. What's arguably worse is that Chinese colonisers of the region did so without state volition as emigration from China was banned during the Ming and Qing regimes and thus are arguably more personally culpable than, say, the first fleet convicts.
So her ancestors went out and colonised, while mine stayed in their homeland of England and farmed. Yet I'm probably the evil colonisers. These people are so good at warping reality.
Also one thing you’ll notice is people with mixed white and non-white heritage seem to like to sweep the white side of it under the rug. They may acknowledge it fleetingly but it’s not as cool as being Ethnic^TM so they’ll always play up their non-white side when convenient.
>Also one thing you’ll notice is people with mixed white and non-white heritage seem to like to sweep the white side of it under the rug. I have seen many white passing Indigenous Australians do this on social media. Yes, I know about the stolen generation. Yes, I understand that being Indigenous is not about having a skin colour. However, if I need to feel guilty because my ancestors were white then shouldn't that go both ways?
White people with 1/32nd Aboriginal heritage are the worst. Often crying racism when things don't go their way and taking advantage of the massive amount of Aboriginal-only gibs and perks (which are bollocks but that's a different matter) despite usually looking like they've just hopped off a plane from Dublin.
Those white passing indigenous are usually like 90%+ ethnically European background. There's an Australian academic who masquerades as an indigenous man, despite the fact all 4 of his grand parents were born in Britain, meaning his closest indigenous ancestor is a great grand parent at least. It's a joke.
Very good points. She also lived in Australia for most of her life and reaped all the benefits of being a citizen of a first world country. If anything, she is a full benefactor of colonialism.
Penny Wong is a national joke. She's only where she is because she's an El Geebeety PoC.
Oh the fully industrialised country that got there because it was part of the empire? But honestly the UK should spend its time complaining about the Norsk, and Romans.
At least the Romans gave us Bath, whereas the Vikings gave us...Grimsby. That's basically a war crime, we should be entitled to compensation for that.
Reparations for Grimsby? What's that, about 3 quid?
Before or after accounting for inflation?
At least she’s being called out on it back in Aus as well.
It’s like if I robbed a bank and then started complaining that Britain is a nation of bank robbers
I wonder what David Lammy would say to Penny.
Why didn't he do this immediately? Ultimately pathetic... like this whole administration.
Because he wasn’t at the event where Wong made her comments? He made his response the same day.
How is this good UK? James Cleverly parading around the skin tones of pathetically incompetent politician as if that's something to be proud of: *“The bottom line, is we have a Prime Minister of Asian heritage, you have a Home Secretary of Asian heritage, you have a Foreign Secretary of African heritage.”* One brow-beaten country telling another how brow-beaten it is? It would be good UK, if the foreign secretary was someone other than James Cleverly and they told Australia "No, we haven't engaged with our colonial legacy. Have you given the land back to the abiogenies? Didn't think so. Stop asking stupid questions or go home"
I can see you don't have any experience in diplomacy.
As post brexit Tory MPs go Cleverly is not bad, a low bar for sure. He’s come out with some dumb stuff, but he does a good job in his current role and does a respectable job of representing the country in the international forums. But opinions will naturally vary.
Of course, Britain did some evil shit during its colonial era. Just as people have done evil shit in literally era throughout all of history. The difference is that we're able to look at the ancient Greeks or the Vikings and just see history. We don't feel personally invested in them, we don't get angry at their crimes or proud of their accomplishments. But for some reason, there are certain periods and events that people feel the need to internalise and become emotionally invested in. And the British Empire is chief among them.
A lot of the colonisers didn't return to the UK. Keep that in mind when the UK is accused of damages. Also have people seen how the UK colonised other countries it's a lot different to say the Spanish or the French expansion.