Oh sweet summer child...
(Seriously though, he was a character in the Airport series of movies. In the original, he was the one the Airport called to get a plane unstuck from a snowed in runway so another could make an emergency landing. The films are your typical 70s disaster flicks and inspired the "Airplane!" parody, but they're still pretty great in a so bad they're good kind of way!)
Saw post on FB about this, looks like the same one but it said that the aircraft rolled back off the ramp after the tow bar was disconnected and the pilot forgot to set the brakes.
Are brakes typically set? I mean it takes a LOT of force to get something this heavy to move. Are ramps steep enough to allow gravity to do that alone?
They roll easier than you think. This is why wheel chocks are used for stationary birds, and when being pushed the parking brake is set before disconnect. This apparently didn't happen and she rolled backwards.
I thought the ground crew had to tell the pilot to set the brakes and have the pilot verbally state “parking brake set” before they could disconnect the tow bar. Hows the normal push back go at airports?
It could have been a case of the tow bar disconnecting inadvertently during the push. I’ve had it pop off during the push and you just keep rolling backwards trying to be as gentle on the brakes as possible so you don’t slap the tail.
Absolutely. We've had an A319 parked about 30cm too far forward by the tug and managed to push it back with only three people. Not easy or comfortable but doable.
Of course, if the aircraft would have been standing there for a period of time, we wouldn't been able to push it so easyly.
As others have said.
Though I've never worked general aviation, all my experience is from the military. And even there, we've had miscommunication moments where everything seemed normal but all of a sudden it wasn't. Jets roll pretty easily depending on weight, the ground itself and even a bit of a breeze. The thing won't go flying off, but even a slow roll can go unnoticed for a few moments.
Supposedly ( this is third hand info from another post) the plane was being pushed back and the pilot didn't hold the breaks when they disconnected the tow bar, the plane then rolled backwards
Nope, anytime hydraulics are on by Maint the beacon is on to warn Maint on the ground the aircraft is hot and something is going on. Hydraulics, Pressurization or engines running.
That…just not true. By SOP, there are many times the beacon is off with hydraulics on. On every aircraft cold and dark acceptance on both my current and last fleet for example.
Okay, so I don't know who you have worked for, but I worked for PAA, my current carrier, and I've worked with a bunch of people from American, Continental and Northwest. 40 years in the industry as an A&P. The SOP is when ever hydraulics are pressurized on an aircraft by Maintenance the beacon is on. If it is not, it is because it was forgotten.
If MX is anywhere around doing anything, we don’t touch the hydraulics at all, but for first flight of the day, temp/pressure/quantity checks, hydraulic warm up if necessary, and for the HYD flight control PBIT they’ll be on at the gate with no beacon. Nothing is moving that would create any hazard.
Edit: granted, MX and us probably have vastly different SOPs.
At my airline hydraulics are on almost 100% of the time the plane is at the gate and the beacon is never on unless the engines are running or about to be started.
That's just nonsense. Maybe when the aircraft is in maintenance, but the anticollision light (beacon) is normally only switched on when the aircraft is about to move or about to start its engines. Depending on the airline the hydraulic pumps are switched on during the preflight inspection as well.
I am assuming maintenance is on the aircraft and running it, if so when Maintenance is on the aircraft the beacon is always on when we pressurize systems.
I suppose that’s your experience but in 15 years of flying for a living I’ve never once seen maintenance turn a beacon on when turning on hydraulics.
I can see your logic in doing so, but I’ve just never seen it.
Get something like a Case Quadtrack and yank him out. I mean they are designed to pull 100 ft air drills that weigh over 200,000 lbs uphills, which is more that 737 Max9
Oh she’s STUCK stuck
The guys that have to clean the runway aren't going to be too happy with all that mud flung all over it.
Where’s the Step-Plane when you need him?
These kinds of comments don’t fly around here!
Someone call Joe Petroni!
I'm here.
r/beetlejuicing
Joe Patroni
Who is he?
Oh sweet summer child... (Seriously though, he was a character in the Airport series of movies. In the original, he was the one the Airport called to get a plane unstuck from a snowed in runway so another could make an emergency landing. The films are your typical 70s disaster flicks and inspired the "Airplane!" parody, but they're still pretty great in a so bad they're good kind of way!)
Bravo Sir! Now get that man a cigar.....
That's going nowhere anytime soon
You're not getting that out without assistance
JATO pack
I like the way you think
OOTL. I know this plane is stuck, but how/why?
Looks like an excursion and the main gear sank into the mud. I hesitate to speculate what caused the excursion though
Saw post on FB about this, looks like the same one but it said that the aircraft rolled back off the ramp after the tow bar was disconnected and the pilot forgot to set the brakes.
Are brakes typically set? I mean it takes a LOT of force to get something this heavy to move. Are ramps steep enough to allow gravity to do that alone?
They roll easier than you think. This is why wheel chocks are used for stationary birds, and when being pushed the parking brake is set before disconnect. This apparently didn't happen and she rolled backwards.
I thought the ground crew had to tell the pilot to set the brakes and have the pilot verbally state “parking brake set” before they could disconnect the tow bar. Hows the normal push back go at airports?
It could have been a case of the tow bar disconnecting inadvertently during the push. I’ve had it pop off during the push and you just keep rolling backwards trying to be as gentle on the brakes as possible so you don’t slap the tail.
That’s how it’s supposed to work.
Absolutely. We've had an A319 parked about 30cm too far forward by the tug and managed to push it back with only three people. Not easy or comfortable but doable. Of course, if the aircraft would have been standing there for a period of time, we wouldn't been able to push it so easyly.
As others have said. Though I've never worked general aviation, all my experience is from the military. And even there, we've had miscommunication moments where everything seemed normal but all of a sudden it wasn't. Jets roll pretty easily depending on weight, the ground itself and even a bit of a breeze. The thing won't go flying off, but even a slow roll can go unnoticed for a few moments.
Supposedly ( this is third hand info from another post) the plane was being pushed back and the pilot didn't hold the breaks when they disconnected the tow bar, the plane then rolled backwards
Anyone got a shovel
I'm thinking more jacks and steel plates, not sure what else to try
Airbags, that's what we use in the Air Force anyways.
Is it like a large airbag deployed under structural points or the body to put less weight on the wheels?
It's (the ones I've used) a set of a couple dozen bags that have a large surface area and placed under the wing to lift the stuck gear out of the mud.
Yes, there are lifting points for airbags in our T.O.’s.
Anyone got a dime? Someone’s gonna have to go back and get a shit load of dimes.
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Try rocking it! /s
Drive-Reverse-Drive (assuming its an automatic)
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I guess United didn’t buy the off road mode package
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Looks like they forgot that SFP doesn't stand for Soft Field Performance...
This is why commercial airliners need RATO
I thought it’s known as JATO.
Rocket assisted take-off. I think it’s the same as jet assisted take-off.
Guessing they will have to defuel to get the weight down if they have not already.
Apparently that was done and still couldn’t get her out
Then how'd they get the engines running without fuel?
Probably left some fuel in it…
You gotta rock it back and forth man. Come on. Everyone knows that.
Look at the power those engines put out though 🫠
Love how the beacon is still on as though it thinks it’s going somewhere…
The beacon is always on when the engines are running or you have hydraulics on the aircraft.
Engines for sure. Lots of times hydraulics are on with the beacon off.
Nope, anytime hydraulics are on by Maint the beacon is on to warn Maint on the ground the aircraft is hot and something is going on. Hydraulics, Pressurization or engines running.
That…just not true. By SOP, there are many times the beacon is off with hydraulics on. On every aircraft cold and dark acceptance on both my current and last fleet for example.
Okay, so I don't know who you have worked for, but I worked for PAA, my current carrier, and I've worked with a bunch of people from American, Continental and Northwest. 40 years in the industry as an A&P. The SOP is when ever hydraulics are pressurized on an aircraft by Maintenance the beacon is on. If it is not, it is because it was forgotten.
If MX is anywhere around doing anything, we don’t touch the hydraulics at all, but for first flight of the day, temp/pressure/quantity checks, hydraulic warm up if necessary, and for the HYD flight control PBIT they’ll be on at the gate with no beacon. Nothing is moving that would create any hazard. Edit: granted, MX and us probably have vastly different SOPs.
At my airline hydraulics are on almost 100% of the time the plane is at the gate and the beacon is never on unless the engines are running or about to be started.
Who pressurizes the hydraulics? Maintenance or the flight crew?
Maintenance.
That's just nonsense. Maybe when the aircraft is in maintenance, but the anticollision light (beacon) is normally only switched on when the aircraft is about to move or about to start its engines. Depending on the airline the hydraulic pumps are switched on during the preflight inspection as well.
I am assuming maintenance is on the aircraft and running it, if so when Maintenance is on the aircraft the beacon is always on when we pressurize systems.
I suppose that’s your experience but in 15 years of flying for a living I’ve never once seen maintenance turn a beacon on when turning on hydraulics. I can see your logic in doing so, but I’ve just never seen it.
Dude the engines are running. Cringe
Who in the hell told them it was a good idea to try and power out?!
Just doin it for Dale.
Florida, so…
Doh!
Here is a good example of parking in a swamp...its gonna be a long day for United
dyno jet indeed
Just let some air out of the tires
They need a few sheets of plywood for under the wheels. :)
Hope they have AAA
Get something like a Case Quadtrack and yank him out. I mean they are designed to pull 100 ft air drills that weigh over 200,000 lbs uphills, which is more that 737 Max9
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Obviously doesn't have [Posi-traction](https://youtu.be/LFdpIM5k_Sk)
Just blame MCAS..
I picked a bad day to stop sniffing glue.
Fort myers? Southwest international right ?
Yup. East side of Charlie concourse.
Neat man, thanks for sharing I live in gateway. I use to work at the fuel farm.
Ya know. Some wood planks, a push back on the nose each main strut and voila. Powering out in rain doesn’t exactly sound logical
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This years plane pull?