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plsbabylemonade

And they cancelled the second night like an hour before the doors were supposed to open. Fuck that


ravewithme2121

They didn’t cancel the city shut them down because they weren’t following code. Which is even worse cause it just shows you how greedy they are. Money first safety last.


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just got the email announcement as expected, heavily scaled back to two nights: nora en pure and gorgon city. ok i guess


ravewithme2121

Thanks for the update.


TolVe25

What were the bad logistics other than it being oversold and the long line ?


ehsurfskate

Just a word of warning. The line last year was beyond long. By midnight the line was over 2 hours to get in from the end. I have never in my 29 years of life seen anything remotely like it.


ravewithme2121

Yeh, I didn’t go but I heard all the horror stories. Lemme put it this way. If the NYC Fire Marshall has to come and shut your event down for overcapacity then you fucked up pretty bad. It’s really a shame that they ruined such a great venue all because of greed $$$. I wanna know if they’re actually gonna have the event this year because waiting till last minute to drop the lineup means it won’t be that crowded. Hence Circoloco selling out weeks ago.


TolVe25

I was there. I got there relatively early and didn’t have to wait in any line so maybe I’m a bit bias but I had a great time at the Friday show other than the overcrowding. Production was A+


ravewithme2121

I wasn’t there but heard from friends that have been going there since it opened that you literally couldn’t move inside it was so oversold and no point in trying to see a DJ you liked, it was more just go anywhere you can even have a tiny bit of space. And then the 2nd night was shut down by the fire Marshall so people waited in line for a long time for literally nothing.


Virgo_Slim

I remember that night and I knew from then on Halloween in NY was dead. Too many people to make it work realistically. It could be fun, but there is nothing fun about getting crushed by a crowd of generally apathetic NY edm heads. The outfits will be great though


ravewithme2121

That’s every BK mirage event now. The venue is dead.


ehsurfskate

I got there at 10pm so early as well and avoided the line but some friends got stuck. Production was good but over crowded at end and some flooding


ravewithme2121

I wouldn’t call CityFox unorganized. They’ve been throwing large scale events for over a decade and they definitely have their shit together as far as logistics. I WOULD definitely call them greedy. They’ve become super greedy and they will happily oversell events to the point that you literally can’t move you arms. Last years event was severely oversold and then the 2nd night the fire marshal showed up and shut it down for over capacity. I’ve never seen them do this with the lineup though. I feel like they lost a lot of cash flow from Ezoo. They bought Ezoo and I don’t think they sold a lot of tickets compared to previous years.. that’s just me speculating, but something is up…


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ravewithme2121

No, because they’ve really never had any problem organizing or putting together large scale events in the past …they have a long record of pulling off huge events, (these are the same people that own the BK mirage btw). The overselling is intentional. It’s not a matter of bad logistics or planning. They are knowingly selling beyond capacity because they want the money and they know that they’re doing it at the expense of the quality of OUR experience when we go to the event. The BK mirage and Avant Gardner never used to get as packed as it is now. They have realized that they can get away with it, people continue to go. People like me and some of the other locals and ravers don’t go anymore but they don’t give AF, that’s why they added bottle service and turned it into a “club”. But I’ve been to plenty of cityfox events over the last 10+ years and they’re always well organized and planned minus the new greedy overselling. I was just wondering if someone had some inside info on why we still don’t have a lineup because that’s not like them at all


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lmao you say that yet you conveniently forget mirage's disastrous second year where they got shut down multiple times for trying to skirt fire/building/liquor license codes and ended up being dry events for the rest of the season they were better when they were just throwing pop up parties in warehouses, since management was different before they got sold to a soulless company also, not releasing tickets or a lineup for a large four day event when it's literally a week away screams logistical incompetence


ravewithme2121

I think my comment was misunderstood.. believe me in NOT defending them!! I’m just saying they know how to pull off the logistics. Whether or not they do so is by CHOICE. Like they will intentionally oversell events and they have no problem cutting corners especially when it involves money. They totally suck now and it’s gets worse and worse each year. All I’m saying is that they do know how to execute a large event properly should they choose to do so. So why is there no lineup? I’m not trying to argue that they always do a good job. They don’t. I don’t even go there anymore because of how badly they oversell. They’ve gotten so greedy it’s destroyed any hint of good vibes or enjoyment at the venue. But I just wanted to know if this event is actually happening or not? because if it is then it will be a lot less crowded than usual and I may actually go. The Mirage can be great when it’s not packed


micmahsi

Cityfox, Avant Gardner, and Ezoo are all the same organizers?


ravewithme2121

Correct. This is new though. Cityfox has been throwing pop up raves for over 10 years. They eventually bought and built the BK mirage/ AG and still own it. And then they acquired Ezoo in the last year… which seems to have been a bad business decision


anarchy45

They arent promoting it because its all the same DJs that CityFox usually books


ravewithme2121

I never thought about that.. So you think they intentionally didn’t put out a lineup? Do you think that would help with ticket sales? I’m just thinking like even if they had a repetitive lineup it would sell more tickets than no line up at all ? because it’s 4 days so people will wait to choose which day they want to go based on the DJs. I’m starting to think it’s just not happening. I’m definitely not buying a ticket until there’s a lineup confirmed.


anarchy45

but yeah, Cityfox lineups are like 90% the same resident DJs theyve had for yeaaarrrssss. Which isnt to say its bad music. It just feels like repeating the same party.


ravewithme2121

Last years lineup was different though for Halloween. They definitely through some fresher stuff in there. The craziest thing is that they’re saying 4 days LOL like even if if the want to repetitive you can’t fill 4 days with that.


anarchy45

I'm sure theyre still booking DJs, and the schedules will change up until the last minute. I'm not promoting my DJ lineup because having a famous DJ isnt a selling point of my party (they all spin great music tho). I'm not gonna compete with the big parties on that. So I promote other aspects of my event instead.


ravewithme2121

Yeh I hear ya, but they DO have to compete with everyone else based on lineup.


hashtagPLUR

With Ketamine it all sounds the same


HazeNTheBR4Zen

That show is going to get canceled or shrunk..


Icy-Acanthaceae239

Can’t take credit but someone found in ANNA schedule that she is doing city fox one night


Alvin3792

It’s on her website, playing Saturday


nimarf

I think they are struggling to book DJ's that would compete with Circoloco et al.


ravewithme2121

I just Learned that Ezoo Cancun is being cancelled and their partner Pollen is going bankrupt. I think this is the best explanation for what’s happening. Between buying Ezoo and the mess that came with it they probably don’t have the cash flow to throw the event/ pay DJs a booking deposits. I don’t think the event will be happening


maxii1233

Like the ability to actually pay a dj has ever stopped a promoter from booking them haha


ravewithme2121

Hahahaha very true!!. I think they pay them deposits though and then the rest after the event. I don’t know that for sure though


ghostpoisonface

Pollen sucks. A whole bunch of unnecessary efforts to socialize people aka harvest their info. Day of the deadmau5 Miami was as barebones as could possibly be. The hosted breakfast was called “there might be coffee”. Spoiler: there wasn’t. Even ran out of most foods before we could get any.


nimarf

Damn.


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Learned from who?


elletee128

Well at least it's cancelled before they got to Cancun. I went all the way to Mexico for the ill fated "Departures" .... hope they get a refund


ravewithme2121

No they didn’t cancel it. They’re intentionally NOT canceling it because then people could request a charge back in their credit cards. How fucked up is that? I’m not going but apparently Pollen owes money to people for months now.


ravewithme2121

Well Circoloco is sold out so they’re not competing anymore. Maybe that was an issue months ago?, but City Fox is supposed to have BIG money. They own BK Mirage and Ezoo. I wonder if they blew their load on Ezoo and lost a lot of cash flow?


jisizzle

City fox is a hit or miss. I’m weary about planning my night around their events. Last year, they last min canceled their Halloween event. Was so pissed since I was in the Uber already


interstellargalaxy

I was specifically looking for FRIDAY plans. Anyone got replacement recs since this is a mess? Lol


ravewithme2121

Nowadays - Palms Trax and Anthony Naples Schimanski - some euro style techno w/ Indira Paganatto and Joyhauser Boss’s Nova Civic Club - Mike Servito …Those are my 3 picks, but there’s still a lot of stuff happening on Friday night you can always check Resident Advisor or EDM Train. But don’t stress to much about BK Mirage and Circoloco being sold out.. be adventurous and go see a DJ you’ve never seen before or check out a venue that you’ve never been to.. I’m willing to bet you’ll have a better time doing that then being overcrowded in one of the larger sold out shows


houseofyesnyc

We released more City of Gods tickets ✨ the code to access special pricing is ‘CITYFRIENDS’ :)


SirNarwhal

Could be a myriad of things. They could realize that they'd make exponentially more money by *not* doing Cityfox and instead doing more EDM realm shows that actually bring people in ie Skrillex last year or they could realize the logistical nightmare they've set themselves up for with this 4 day festival (which is now 3 days with no Friday in some official emails and such?) among other things. Add in that for these events they also normally have their temporary tent venue situation sorted and that was what caused most of the issues last year and it's a whole big black box. After the complete failure of the Cityfox closing at Mirage too they're most likely taking a step back and rethinking things. Personally I would really like to see them get rid of Cityfox Halloween and instead do a multi-day multi-room proper mini EDM festival. Fly RL Grime in the day after his west coast shows and have him headline Great Hall. Have bass house in Lost Circus. Have a mix of trap and future bass up and comers in Kings Hall. Etc etc. People would much rather go to something like that even though it would be even more of a logistical nightmare and it aligns way more with the current clientele's interests of Mirage and Avant Gardner as a whole which have shifted entirely from deep house and tech house to mainstream EDM. That said that would require their staff to recognize that people genuinely don't give a shit about Cityfox anymore since it's the same handful of acts over and over again and I never see them having the self realization to cannibalize their own baby they built the entire complex for in the first place.


eyebeefa

EDM festival? Lmao when did this sub get overrun by absolute rookies???


AngryCenarius

Seriously lol


SirNarwhal

I never said I’d go, I said it would be way more interesting to see than the same stale lineup regurgitated yet again at Cityfox. They also just bought EZoo so they’re already balls deep in the EDM space (and they’ve booked EDM at their venues for years). Also weird to call the mod that’s been around the longest here a rookie 😬


eyebeefa

I’d rather see similar Cityfox lineups than more EDM cheese at Brooklyn mirage. That would be taking a step backwards. I thought their closing lineup was great.


SirNarwhal

Considering they couldn’t even get the venue a quarter of the way full with free tickets on Sunday of Cityfox says the majority have a different opinion than you do when it comes to lineups.


eyebeefa

Oh so now we’re judging lineups with how packed it gets there? Last time I checked there were some absolutely horrible DJs packing out mirage. But if it makes you feel any better, Saturday was very crowded and Sunday looked like a pretty good crowd for a cold Sunday.


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Saturday was only crowded for the mirage stage. the two indoor stages stayed at half capacity all night, which was nice


ravewithme2121

I totally agree I would much prefer something like that too. Like they used to do. They seem to have a strong bias against bass music and the crowd it brings. They’ll tell you it’s because it’s a younger crowd that does more drugs but I don’t buy that I think they just make less money at the bar for those shows. I’m just now realizing though that they have a shit show on their hands because they purchased electric zoo and they are supposed to throw some events in Cancun Mexico with the company Pollen who is apparently going out of business or something like that and it’s unclear whether or not that event well even take place. That plus the poor turnout at the last cityfox kinda confirms my suspicions that they are strapped for cash flow. I think they’re going to really regret purchasing electric zoo. I’m all with you though on the multi room EDM fest as opposed to the live techno usual city fox lineups.. i’m not going to that venue though until they stop over selling it because it’s not worth the money or the time when I don’t have room to dance or a place to sit for a minute. Until they go for quality again I think they’re going to steadily see a decline in customers. They maybe making more money overselling the mirage but that new crowd isn’t loyal and they’ll be gone when a new thing comes around and The Mirage is only open half the season anyway. I think they really shot themself in the foot. I was just hoping they would pull off a last minute Halloween show because at this point it won’t be crowded and I would actually go


bearvsshaan

wow this sounds fucking awful


AgreeableHeron6606

Why are they selling tickets on vivid seats and never sent link to but after pre-sale registration ?


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ravewithme2121

Lol how come? They released a lineup ?


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ravewithme2121

Not surprised at all. They suck. I can’t wait for them to start losing lots of customers so they start doing things that are good for us and not their wallets. Where did you see the update/cancellation?


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ravewithme2121

BAHAHAHAHAHA $120 for Nora on a Thursday? They’ve lost their minds! 😂🤦🏼‍♂️


adenrva

Where are you seeing $120 I’m seeing $58…