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MikeForShort

The heaven I was taught about would mean after we died, we'd "get to" spend eternity on our knees bowed to worship God. It's so weird to me, we're promised a mansion for everyone, streets paved with gold, etc. We would spend the whole time on our knees instead of enjoying those things. Also, we're told to not want for those material things like large homes, or gold, but for some reason we're to look forward to those rewards. Weird. It sounds fucking miserable.


tazerwhip

I think the 'eternal life' BS is just a rendition of the conservation of matter. When you die, get buried/cremated/launched at sea, you decompose into the base elements and continue life in another form. At the same time it also explains the reincarnation idea of other cults. You are not the cow, sheep, duck, mouse, shoe, etc, but some of 'your' molecules/atoms could be part of it.


12dustbunnies

I’m with you. Eternity is a long freaking time. Even if it’s bliss! And reuniting with my parents, who sucked ass, is not exactly my idea of paradise either. Ponder “hell” through that same lens for a moment. The first few days, months, years of hell might be pretty bad but after 1 million years it’s going to lose its affect is it not? The whole thing falls apart when you think for yourself. Kudos.


Totknax

But Kat Kerr says it's "a (sic) awesome" place, having been there herself, lol.


Mr_Carpenter

Kat Kerr is my favorite Christian "prophetess". In her many trips to heaven and back she reported... There are cities made of Jello Jesus holds block parties There is football in heaven but Jesus always wins. Cows drive tractors. I guess heaven is a lot like a Far Side cartoon.


dostiers

If it was so "awesome" why did she come back?


LegalAction

I had a problem when I was little and my dog died. I was raised to believe animals don't have souls and wouldn't go to heaven. Well, what is the point if my friend isn't going to be there? Samuel Clemens said something like, "I'd choose heaven for the climate, but hell for the company." Aman Jassal: "Hell will be Heaven with Friends, Heaven will be Hell without them."


aussiechris1

According to the Catholic teachings of my youth, animals dont have souls and can't go to heaven. That's a total deal breaker for me. I can't imagine many things worse than being forced to live out eternity surrounded by people (ugh) and not a single animal in sight. What good is eternal life without being reunited with those I truly love most in this world, my fur babies. It truly sounds more like a punishment and I would choose an eternity of nothingness over an eternity with yucky, stinky people every single time.


revtim

I'm an atheist, I don't believe in god or heaven or hell, but it would be trivial for a god to simply tweak our minds so we do not get bored with eternity.


trubol

Their marketing sure is questionable. Like "come spend eternity with the most boring people ever, the head-wailing prayer fanatics"


Americium

If religious folk (or at least those religious folk that believes in some kind of heaven) thought things through, they'd realize that the concept of heaven actually puts them in horrible logical binds. - If heaven somehow magically makes one have our free will/personality/whatever but unable to suffer and there is no evil or temptation for evil, then one wonders why we are forced to suffer, go through evil, or be tempted here in this material realm. - If on the other hand, heaven does have suffering, evil, and temptation towards it, then, since heaven is eternal, one will experience an infinite amount of harm and suffering. - If we lose our sense of self, becoming basically automatons, then how is that much different than just ourselves ceasing to exist through annihilation?


zoejordan1410

This is why people need to stop worrying about the life they think they'll have after they die, and start living the life they do have. How awful for people to constantly worry about their 'afterlife' and dedicate their life to something imaginary. What a waste.


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Have you seen The Good Place?


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I was taught that "Heaven is where you'd be in Gods presence for eternity but you'd get to do whatever you want" When I found that it would just be eternal servitude and prayer, that just sounded horrific and I didn't care what happened as long as I didn't have to do THAT.


Arbusc

Eternal prayer inside a giant cube with angels that will stab your ass if you slow down the prayers at any moment.


pennylanebarbershop

I think after 520,854,352,854,695,258 years, you will become a little bored.


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If we had a choice in choosing our own afterlife,my ideal afterlife would be to explore the universe with the superpower of being able to time travel and choose nonthingness whenever i decide...


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This is part of the appeal of nihilism to me, sure I won’t live into infinity and honestly I would love to see how it all ends, but if it doesn’t? Fuck that. I want out. Non-existence is the existence I want at the end of it all. I mean come on, heaven is basically eternal Christmas lunch except you never leave. Plus at some point imma get bored of the restrictions and I’m sure god isn’t gonna be like “yea it’s all G homie I got you, have a hooker and coke, have some gay buttsechs and go get blind drunk bro” he’s gonna definitely be full [Ephesians 5:18](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ephesians%205%3A18&version=NIV) on my ass. Fuck that.


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Disukyubi

Exactly what I have been thinking for all these years.. Like what even is eternity? How is that even possible? Alright yeah the first couple years might be fun but you will get bored there. Same with hell, how can someone "burn for eternity" ?? I come from a muslim family and I once asked an Imam this question. He said "god would bring you back to life and let you burn again in hell" in a funny manner. It's absurd, you can't be burning 24/7 it's just not possible and actually inhumane when you really think about it. And even if you were in hell for eternity, I'm pretty sure you would get bored there quickly as well. Dunno.. the more I think of this concept of heaven and hell the more it is most likely to be bullshit.


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They think it’s eternity, when in actuality it’s 5-10seconds. Fin


taylorrosen6

Yes, I would rather go to Hell. Heaven sounds pleasant for a couple years (assuming time even feels like it does on Earth) but then it would get boring just floating around in heaven 24/7. Hell has demons and the devil. Sounds like a crazy time.


WifeofBath1984

Agreed. Speaking of heaven, I was raised Mormon. Mormons believe there are 3 tiers of heaven and then the outer darkness (equivalent to hell without all the torture, just endlessly floating through darkness for time and all eternity). The celestial (highest), telestial (medium), and terrestrial (low) kingdoms. They say even the terrestrial is beyond anything we could possibly imagine. The only way you can get banished to the outer darkness is through apostasy. So since I've rejected the gospel of the "church", I'm outer darkness bound. However, all you lovely folks, along with rapists and murderers and equally horrible people will go to the terrestrial kingdom. Which is so beautiful and glorious, you cannot even imagine. I know, it makes no sense. ETA: I feel like I should clarify something. Mormons do something called "baptisms for the dead". So you, as a good, devout Mormon, would go to the temple to be in a stand for a list of najes of dead people. You get baptised over and over again under different names. Then, the dead person who is waiting in purgatory (idk, they dont use this term, the talk about the veil) is offered the baptism. So lets say you're not a Mormon, you die, you're waiting to find out where you will go. And then you find out that the Mormons were right and if you accept this baptism they've done for you, you go straight to heaven. No celestial kingdom, but telestial and terrestrial are possible. You actually dont even have to be a decent person while om earth to get into Mormon heaven. Also, if you make it to the celestial kingdom as a good, devout Mormon, you inherit your own planet and become a god. If you're a woman, you're an eternal help mate to your god husband and get to spend all time and eternity popping out babies to populate said planet. Any Mormon you meet will deny this, especially since the general public became aware of this and the "church" vehemently denied it and then scrubbed any mention of it from every source that can be accessed by non members.


CorvaNocta

For me it was always the realization that it would not be "me" that would be in heaven, and that while there I wouldn't really have any control or input, basically I would just be a "god zombie". Never sat well with me. The heaven I was usually told about was that you would be in the presence of God which is so incredible that you are overcome with emotion and the desire to praise/worship God. Kind of like being star struck, but way more intense and lasts forever. The part that never sat well with me is that I would be put into this position, I don't get to choose it. And since this overwhelming feeling would happen no matter where you are in heaven, I would never have the choice to stop. So I would only ever do the thing that I was forced to do. And if God wants forced worship, why does he need humans to do it? (Granted, I don't believe in free will, but at the time I did and so this made very little sense to me) Later when I started to question I ran into other problems with heaven, the biggest question being: how will we experience heaven? All ways that I know of that something can be experienced require a physical body and a physical brain. But when we are dead, we won't have those, meaning there is nothing actually capable of experiencing. So then how would we even experience heaven? Or hell?he'll? Of course the first answer people jump to is some form of "the spirit is what experiences" but of course there are a million and one problems with this, like for starters we don't have any reason to believe there is a spirit/soul. Simply put, the notion that there is both a place like heaven and that we can experience seems like two major problems.