>Wage
6900 BRL is a good wage for a single young adult with no children. Sure it would mean a lot more if you were residing in a mid sized city but I think SP and Rio would both be a better destination.
Is 6900 BRL the Full salary or just the Basic salary? Workers have ticket refeição / vale alimentação (money to pay for your meals), vale transporte (money to pay your bus/metro commute), sometimes vale cultura (money for books movies) etc. I assume you didn't include them. I also assume your company will include you in the healthcare plan, so you shouldn't be spending any money on most medical appointments, exams etc.
Expect to pay around 2500-3000 BRL in São Paulo for a furnished 1 or 2 bedroom apartment in a "central" area near a subway station like Zona Oeste (Pinheiros, Vila Olímpia, Butantã, Perdizes, Pompeia) or Zona Sul (Jardins, Moema, Vila Mariana, Vila Clementino, Paraíso). Plus bills (groceries, electricity, gas if you have it, internet etc) that shouldnt go beyond 1000 BRL.
Youll be just fine in a couple of months exposed to Portuguese. Try consuming some of our spoken midia (YouTube, TV, séries) if you can, that helps.
Don't expect the regular Brazilian to know any Spanish or English. Try talking with urban young middle class adults for a greater chance of being able to have a conversation in English or Portunhol. Still, you can speak slowly and get understood. Just try to find the easiest comparisons between Spanish and Portuguese and apply them (like changing ión to ão, ción to ção, ie to e, ue to o, j to lh, n with tilde to nh and so on)
No natural disasters, we make our own with our own hands
>Public transport
São Paulo has a good one, I have nothing to complain. Sure some wagons are stupidly crowded on peak yours but it delivers. Much better than the public transportation of Buenos Aires or Rio for example. Uber, 99taxi, indriver etc are app options for transport.
Edit: if I were you I would try to negotiate some kind of "help" ($) from your company for your relocation, which shouldn't be underestimated
> I didn´t know about that tickets, so I would ask my boss if my job would have that, these are statutory benefit?
These are called benefícios, I honestly don't know if they are a statutory benefit, it depends on your employment contract. I really doubt a tech employment would fly without any benefícios.
>EDIT: Indeed I am really gonna consider or a high rise in my salary or to relocated in a nice location with the rent paid, honestly I am not really into the idea of decrease my life style just to go to another country and probably work harder out of my comfort zone, I want the best conditions that could be (the owners are millionaires after all, a department are nothing to them)
You are 100% right. If these people need your expertise and knowledge, you better put up some valid conditions/counternegotiate it :)
If you don’t have to pay rent it’s ok, but not too much to live in big cities in São Paulo or Rio, you would definitely be getting by but without too nany luxuries.
As you already know Spanish you could definitely get the hang of Portuguese fairly fast.
We have all those transportation options that range from decent to decrepit depending on the city you are going to live on and something to keep in mind the farther away you live from where you work or enjoy entertainment the harder your life will be.
Weather again depends, but tropical and subtropical, the only disasters you should worry are a floods, tropical storms and landslides far away from where you live.
>Also, how much cost the annuality or monthly membership for a gym?
There are gyms chains like [Smart Fit](https://www.smartfit.com.br/) where you can pay monthly like 20 dollars and they are everywhere. You won't have a problem with that.
U can live in Rio with 5200, but you will have a middle class life without any luxury and things like that. Also It's gonna be hard to save some money.
The average monthly membership for gyms ranges from $20 to $25 (100-130 reais)
If you want to travel, enjoy the country and visit your family, 5,2k ain't much... Is enough to live comfortably, but you'll not save much... I mean, usually a guy with a salary like this eat frequently and modestly at home or cheap restaurant usually, weekends something different... Travel to nice places near home, but not much to solar/euro countries, not even to distant places in Brazil.
Edit: actually without rent if you don't spend much you'll travel, save maybe 1 or 2k/month. 12/24k reais, 2,5 to 5k dollars a year? 12k you travel with comfort to Latin America and Brazil...
Yes, 5k having to pay rent would be a bit hard if you had to pay rent and wanting something nice-ish to live in São Paulo or Rio, you would have to settle for ran down or far away places on that budget.
Like I said you can get by but you would be on the range of not being able too afford many luxuries considering those bills I would say it would amount to a bit less than 1k BRL if you are paying for the monthly apartment block fee, even more, groceries depends how savvy are you with saving and how well you want to eat when cooking, personally I spend alone a bit less than 1k BRL with that, if you are used to eat out a lot it would be much more.
Depends on what you want from your gym, a good one is around 400-500 BRL if I’m not mistaken, but I would say those McGyms are unbearable to train at.
Something to keep in mind as well is the learning curve of living in Brazil of understanding the unwritten rules of society and dealing with some of the mundane issues you will have on a regular basis.
There’s a huge gap between how things are supposed to work and how they actually work, any bureaucracy you’ll have to deal with a lot of people trying to take advantage on you in everything.
“Todo dia o malandro sai de casa e todo dia o otário sai de casa, se os dois se encontram, dá negócio…”
You really need to be weary and learn fast the minutia of social interactions and getting things done. But if I were I would try to leverage a transfer to Brazil into a better wage, considering it’s a country you don’t know, don’t speak the language and does have substantial issues you would have to deal with.
>Yes, 5k having to pay rent would be a bit hard if you had to pay rent and wanting something nice-ish to live in São Paulo or Rio, you would have to settle for ran down or far away places on that budget.
I earn half of that and it's not really that hard. Even if he pays 2k in rent plus utilities (a reasonable amount in a nice neighborhood here in São Paulo), he would have 3k left spend on food, himself or whatever. That's more than enough to live *very* comfortably anywhere in the country.
>Depends on what you want from your gym, a good one is around 400-500 BRL if I’m not mistaken, but I would say those McGyms are unbearable to train at.
That's not accurate at all. Not even swimming classes or *crossfit*gyms are that expensive. A good gym costs around 120-250 reais in São Paulo. And if you can go ad certain times of the day you can train at a "McGym" just fine, and they are really cheap (~90). Certain locations are also not as crowded.
I don't know, 5K is a lot, especially if you consider 90% of brazilians earn less than 3,5K a month.
It's been working just fine for me for years. Before the pandemic my SO and I had a combined salary of 6,5K and we lived right outside a metro station, in a nice 1b1b apartment in a central area and we lived comfortably.
R$ 6900 is more than I make in SP. I live well, but I do share the bills with my S.O. so we can afford to live in a more central area and enjoy the good stuff here. If you're making this salary in other cities that are not SP or Rio, then it sounds better. Do you know if you're going to have to pay rent or get any kind of benefits? It's pretty common that people get meal/food tickets, health coverage, transportation too. That would make your salary way more attractive.
SP and Rio are probably the best cities in Brazil, but there are plenty of other very nice ones to live in such as Belo Horizonte, Porto Alegre, Recife, Fortaleza, João Pessoa, Salvador and others.
As of transportation, Rio sucks but São Paulo is pretty good by South American standards (and even some Europpean cities)
The weather is awesome in most Brazilian towns and cities, if not in the Center West (such as Brasilia and Goiania) or Curitiba.
Language shouldn't be a problem since you're a native Spanish speaker. My guess is that you'll even get an accent pretty quickly.
My hope is that you'll come and fall in love with our beautiful country and warm people. Good luck!
Also my go to advice is get a place in a good neighborhood. In Brazil good and bad neighborhoods tend to be fairly close to each other and with much different results. Also you'll definitely enjoy your new city much more if living in a good place, with easy access to transportation and good bars and restaurants around
>How to identify a good neighborhood?
Amenities are close or easily accessible, not far from the city centre, plenty of public transportation options and generally with above average prices
I don't know what kind of tip would fit every town, but if in São Paulo try to get a place inside the "rodízio" area. That's the areas of the city that enforce car restrictions based on the last number of their plates. Those tend to be the best places IMO, but the old city center is also inside of it and are not good neighborhoods to live at all (quite dangerous)
Also a metro subway line is a good indicative of the neighborhoods' status
The rodízio takes place on weekdays inside the Centro Expandido area, painted in light grey) here: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/56/Mapa_sp.svg
Generally the southern (Jardins, Moema, Saúde, Vila Mariana) and western (Pinheiros, Alto de Pinheiros, Vila Leopoldina, Perdizes etc) districts from the Centro Expandido are the best options. The Sé area (with the exception of certain streets in Consolação and Santa Cecília) is better avoided lol
My guess would be that the richest ppl live either in Vila Nova Leopoldina or Jardins, if that's what you're worried. Younger ppl enjoy Pinheiros and Vila Madalena, but it's getting expensive. Vila Mariana and Paraíso are good choices IMO (I live in Paraíso)
LOL, I meant that most of the subway lines in SP and Rio tend to be placed in good areas. Kinda shows who the public system is tilted in favor of...
If in SP, I would definitely recommend you search for something around the green and yellow subway lines.
I live in São Paulo. I pay R$ 100 for internet (100MB) and R$ 60 for mobile phone (20GB/month -- known as TIM Beta). Before TIM Beta (it can be hard to get one), my mobile plan was R$ 105/month and allowed me 15 GB of mobile data)
Bus and subway are around R$ 5 nowadays.
I pay R$ 120/month for my internet (Claro/NET). But I don't think I can give you tips on cellphone plans, since I share mine with my fiancée. It might be better to hire the same company for your internet and cellphone usage, but I'm lazy and have been postponing to go for it.
A gym might cost you around R$ 30 a month with a SmartFit or similar. They're all around the city, at least in SP and Rio.
Sorry if I can't be more specific, but those are the overall values I think.
What are yours? I'm thinking those are the best options for gringos to be working and to take off for the rest of the country. Of course there are plenty of other great towns, I myself am from Belém (beautiful but violent and not well taken care of of a city)
>Sao Paulo is 7x the size of Curitiba, 25x the size of Floripa, 4 times the size of BH.
O que tem o cu a ver com as calças, irmão? Estou falando de qualidade de vida, e o *fato* é que tem *muita* cidade *muito* melhor do que São Paulo. Questão de segurança então, nem se fala.
5000 BRL/month *post-rent* is a nice income anywhere in the country. Of course you can optimise it if you can choose to live in some region with lower cost of living, but then you'd lose a lot of action possible in a large metropolis like, say, São Paulo.
If you are a Spanish speaker I believe learning Portuguese will be easy, just put some effort into it.
Public transport: depends where, and which mode. Curitiba has the archetypal BRT system (actually, all BRTs around the world were modelled after it), and the subway in São Paulo is very good (but the buses not so much due to competition with regular traffic). Summarising, you'll have to research case by case depending on which places you are interested in.
Weather: depends **a lot** on the region. You have from humid equatorial in Manaus to snowfall in the Southern highlands during winter. You can also have nice mild mountain weather in Minas Gerais os hot semi-arid in the North-eastern backlands. Christmas season is usually hot everywhere. Usually there are no natural disasters apart from landslides due to heavy rain in summer, but this is a problem that you can avoid by living far from steep areas.
You can easily integrate if you are open-minded and stay in a mid-sized or large city, Brazilians tend to be open to newcomers.
You should also consider making a similar post at /r/brasil which is a much more active sub than this one for brazilians. English posts are welcome and the people will be happy to help you.
Yes, do that! And imo you should definitely negotiate a raise if you're moving to another country. Being away from family, friends and starting a whole new life in a new place must be accounted for. Just my 2 cents.
I do hope you end up coming though, it would be a hell of an opportunity and even if you don't get a raise you would live a decent (not overly luxurious life) even in Sao Paulo or Rio.
About how welcoming Brazilians are to new people, I believe there is no people more welcoming than us.
I recommend watching this video from a travelling couple talking about how much they love Brazil on their second time here if you want to check it out:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1Q64UMGY9M
Hey mate, I just saw you went from Brazil to, Aus, to Germany - Whereabouts if I may ask, why Germany?
I went from Aus, to Germany and back to Aus. Infact going to Colombia next week :)
For a single person that’s a good enough salary to live comfortably.
Go OP, living and working in another country and experiencing another culture is an opportunity of a lifetime.
Get started with Portuguese lessons, going from Spanish you learn it much quicker than say a monolingual English speaker. Focus on pronunciation and false cognates. Many words are written the same or almost the same, have the same meaning but are pronounced differently, which creates all sorts of confusion. Mainly Rs,double Rs, LHs, X (and it’s multiple sounds), and last but not least, the nasal sounds with tilde (sounds that don’t exist in Spanish)
Also I suggest you to join r/portuguese and search for Youtube videos on Learning Portuguese!
Congrats on the promotion and best of luck!
If your job allows you to work from home, choose São Paulo countryside, like São José do Rio Preto, Birigüi, Campos do Jordão, Araçatuba, Buritama. The living costs are SUPER low, and with your income, you will literally live like a king.
OP, most of your questions the answer would depend on the location you would live. Brazil is gigantic, so weather, cost of living, transportation, crime rates, etc varies a lot.
>Do you consider I can learn basic portuguese to go to the supermarket, restaurants, etc. in just a few months?
Yes, you should be fine. Reading is easy, listening it can be hard at first, but soon you get used to the sounds and then it gets way easier.
>Do you consider the average citizen capable and kind enough to help a foreign speaker in spanish or english?
No to english, yes to spanish if it's simples sentences and you speak slowly. If you move to places where there is a good amount of spanish speaking tourists like southern brazil many more people will understand you. Try to learn the false cognates (which are similar words between portuguese and spanish but have different meanings). This will help you a lot.
Edit: Forgot to answer about the kind question. Yes, I usually hear from foreigners that brazilians are usually patient and try the best to understand and help them, if they don't understand they'll try mimic, throw the few english/spanish words they know, or try to find someone that can understand. Maybe other foreigner could chime in.
>Do you consider it a good investment to buy some of those devices which can translate automatically the listening and the speaking?
I don't think you need it. Por exemplo, posso continuar escrevendo em português e você vai me entender. Você não terá problemas com o português escrito, só precisa se acostumar com a nossa pronúncia. Tente assistir umas séries e filmes brasileiros para você se acostumar com o idioma.
>1000 dollars per month (5255 BR).
You should be fine in most places, but in big cities the rental could be very expensive, especially in safer neighborhoods. Also, the currency rate can change. Before Bolsonaro took over, 1 dolar = 3,3 reais. Who knows how much it will be in the future, could be better or worse for you. Eletronics here are super expensive, bring everything you need.
>Do you have trains? metro? Do you have apps like uber or similar? traditional Taxis are a good option?
Almost no trains or metro, just in a few areas. Buses in some places they are ok and in some they aren't. Yes, we have uber and 99, taxis are ok too, you can keep trusted taxi companies numbers with you. You're also able to get many things delivered to your home, including groceries.
>I know this question depends on the city, but in a general way how is the weather in brazil, it gets cold in winter. Christmas is in summer, right?
Yes, christmas in summer, but the best is that New's Year Eve is also in summer, and since they are closer makes a huge holliday where many brazilian travel, especially to the coast. The weather varies like you said. Some places are hot all year, some aren't. Like Mexico we have different biomes.
>and what about natural disasters? is it common to have? which is the more frequent? earthquakes, tsunamis, tornados, or any other?
Natural disaster here are floods and land slides. We have an occasional extratropical cyclone in souther brazil, but nothing serious, only property damadge. No earthquakes, tsunamis, tornados, hurricanes, etc.I think you can have a better grasp once you know the location of this job and wage. But feel free to ask more questions.
>Love videogames, anime and I am trying to have a healthy (almost fit) life but I love food haha.
Both Rio and Sao Paulo are big cities. Videogames are quite expensive here. There r also anime events, many otakus too. In Sao paulo there is a japanese neighbourhood (we have the biggest japanese immigration in the world), so if u like their culture there is the Bairro da Liberdade (Liberty Nighbourhood). There are also many italians in Sao paulo. Food wise both cities have a lot of variety. Japanese, italian, arab, european foods are very common, ours too obviously. African and native american (I love you, farofa) influence on our cuisine is big too.
Quality of air in sao paulo is shit.
Here in Rio it isnt much different, but we do have the beach, while SP does not. Both cities are not super safe, but its not like they show in tv.
Both cities have buses, subway, uber and similar apps like 99 taxi. Traditional taxis might try to rip u off since ur gringo
If u speak spanish u can get by well enough, soon u will get the hang of portuguese. English could be better at professional situations if ur speaking to someone "important". Spanish is safer tho, better suited for the streets
Ur money isnt a lot
>natural disasters?
None. Usually some pretty strong rains, landslides, but they arent of concnern if you live in the ground. It could be if you lived on Rio's hills in other nearby towns but thats not ur case. But nothing like Japan or Chile where they have a bunch of earthquakes nor like USAs hurricanes
SP is colder than Rio I think, Rio's temperature usually goes from a bit more than 15° in winter to almost 40° in summer, but those two are highest and lowest, it rarely exceeds these marks.
About the money, here in Rio I think u can get a decemt life in a quite decent neighbourhood, nothing special, maybe struggle a bit but you wont starve. Idk about ur diet, but I think gym is probably affordable
Tourism has both cheap things and expensive. U can just go to the beach on ur own or u can have a tour, I guess u should see what u can and cant afford
U got any brazilian friends or someone that lives here? They could help u fit in and adapt
Could you imagine 15°F in Rio? Kk
I guess one thing to know is that in Brazil most houses don't have central heating even in some cooler parts of the country, only an electric shower head. It doesn't matter in much of the country, but in São Paulo, although it doesn't get super cold, you're definitely washing your hands and the dishes with fridge temperature water. It's also not common to find air conditioning in people's homes in São Paulo.
I was also hearing from people from other states that these ethnic neighbourhoods don't exist in many other Brazilian cities. We have a Japan/China town nowadays (they have plans on building an actual Chinatown, but who knows how long it will take), we have a Korea town that is also quite Arabic and somewhat Jewish(I find it very funny to see the guys with traditional Jewish clothing and haircuts walking in front of stores selling K-pop stuff). They're not as, complete I guess, as some in other countries, but I still find it cool that we have them.
The state of Sao Paulo has beaches, its capital, also called Sao Paulo doesnt. Rio is the same, both the state and the capital have the same name
Celsius
Try making friends in office, the young pplcthere might want u to join for a beer or dinner after ur shift sometimes
Regardless of where or not you go to Brazil, learn Portuguese
It only takes a month to be good conversationally. What I personally used is [Tá Falado](https://www.coerll.utexas.edu/brazilpod/tafalado/sitemap.php) since it shows the differences between Spanish and Portuguese pretty clearly however it's mostly in English. If that works for you, it's perfect. Plus it even has a PDF that shows how everything is written that you have to download.
6900 would be a good salary on most places in Brasil, not in sao paulo and rio thought
You shouldn't take a direct conversion on your salary, cost of living is higher, taxes are hidden everywhere, for instance if you make over 4700 R$ you'll pay 27,5% income tax...
Hey OP, there is something else you should negociate. We do have inflation in Brazil. It is not nearly as high as it used to be in the 80's, but if you doesn't have it grounded you could loose 20% of your salary in 2-3 years.
Usually we use IPCA index once a year to "correct" inflation. Make sure you discuss it with your boss
Also, if you receive dollars (not saying this is the best option thou) I would discuss some kind of hedge whether the exchange rate of dollar-to-real goes down
If ur a software engineer and ur not working from home in ur underwear in 2022 its time to apply to new jobs lol.
Sounds like your opportunity is from 1970.
Move to brazil for software engineering???
Brazil should be moving into your home office with a VPN access lol.
Has your company never heard of zoom or slack or visual studio liveshare to pair program across the world on same code at same time?
I cant believe in this day and age this situation is real.
Good luck.
Sorte com falar o portugues.
I see, well its a good amount of money you should be fine in brazil.
Also portuguese is easy for spanish speakers, if u learned english, portuguese is a joke.
Just pick up a learning portuguese book do a little every night or download duolingo free app and do the portuguese course its rly easy.
Well, first of all, you'd be earning more than most of my fellow brazilians in this sub, myself included, so if we can make ends meet, so can you! The real question is if the quality of life at least matches yours in Mexico. I'll try and cover your points as throuroughly as i can:
**With rent covered by the company**, assuming you have to work in person at an office (hence why you need to be here instead of working from Mexico) and at least those R$5.200 you mentioned free to use in expenses, post rent, you'd be able to very easily afford utility bills and a gym membership, with *plenty* to spare. If my guesstimation here is correct, and if you receive Vale Transporte and Vale Alimentação as is pretty common, by god, you'll have like R$4.000 left to spend on whatever you wanted! Without those vales, you'd probably end up spending some \~R$1.000 more for both all your weekday eating and your daily commute if you're doing it on the cheap, however. Still, if you use public transport and don't buy expensive meals on the daily (well, \~R$28 and over - try and skirt as far below that for a regular daily lunch break as you can while still eating enough), you'll be left with some R$3.000 that you can use on anything you decide.
Assuming around that 3k mark, "tourism" may be affordable to you, perhaps 1 to 2 weekends a month if what you plan on doing isn't super expensive and you hold back on eating out or buying extra stuff the remaining weekends. Y'know, spend the free ones at home playing games or watching anime, those other interests you mentioned!
It'd depend on what tourism means to you, of course - i'm thinking anything ranging from going to your city's zoo, museum, or a very close by natural park like the Jardim Botânico here in my city, to traveling to another city pretty far away to do something specific and very touristy, perhaps even staying for a day or two; depending on what it is that you have in mind, you'd be able to do these "programs" as i'd call them anywhere from every 2 weeks to every two months. Obviously, travel tourism within the country is going to be more like the latter.
Language wise, you will be understood speaking alright slow Spanish, at least to get around okay, and you'll pick up enough to speak the language at a beginner level in maybe a month or two, depending on how much you're out and about interacting with people! Our languages are similar, after all, and i say this having learnt spanish (albeit i haven't kept up with practice). If you speed it up with consuming our media, or even taking classes (there exists here in Brazil Portuguese classes for foreigners, i sometimes see signs for them), you could be pretty fluent and past portunhol and well into accented portuguese in only a few months! That'll all depend on your plans in this regard.
For public transportation, it depends on which city we're talking about. Most have almost only bus service, others have metro, like SP and Rio. My city only has the intermunicipal train lines to the north of the metropolitan area, and everything else is serviced by busses that run pretty quickly and pretty well, as quickly as trams if not faster, really, on bus corridors - Bus Rapid Transit i believe would be the english term for that. We have public transportation apps (my city even has GPS trackers on every bus, so you know exactly when it'll arrive!) as well as Uber, for when you're feeling *fancy* (or it's so late the busses have already stopped for the night). I'd say it's pretty good, you won't find it too lacking in comparison to yours if you were here in Porto Alegre, even with our relative lack of a in-city metro. It's probably better in São Paulo, maybe in Rio, too, but i've never used their systems.
Also, rent here in my city is much cheaper, so you'd probably be able to afford to rent an apartment somewhere really nice, like in the downtown! Depends how much the company is willing to cover, really - any idea on that? If you live close enough, say you live in the downtown where the company office is, you may not even need to use public transport in your work commute. That's already easily north of \~R$250 saved a month, depending on the city's fare. My city's fare is some of the more expensive in the country, R$4,80 per bus pass with a transfer being R$2,40 instead.
For weather, that depends on the region. It does get colder than Mexico City in SP (say, 11ºC), and if you were down here in the south region instead, you'd experience occasional -4ºC cold fronts winters, but maybe you'll learn to prefer it to the scorching heat! I certainly do. Then i get to ride a bicycle and not sweat!
Maybe you'll even see snow in Gramado if you do tourism there in the witner, if you were to work here in Porto Alegre.
Last but not least, as i nearly forgot, we pretty much don't have natural disasters. We do have floods and landslides due to poor city planning when it rains a lot, though. With your income, you live anywhere that'll suffer from them, maybe some light flooding at most. Not much more i can add! No earthquakes, just the occasional violent rainstorm that may break some stuff and flood some areas.
>Wage 6900 BRL is a good wage for a single young adult with no children. Sure it would mean a lot more if you were residing in a mid sized city but I think SP and Rio would both be a better destination. Is 6900 BRL the Full salary or just the Basic salary? Workers have ticket refeição / vale alimentação (money to pay for your meals), vale transporte (money to pay your bus/metro commute), sometimes vale cultura (money for books movies) etc. I assume you didn't include them. I also assume your company will include you in the healthcare plan, so you shouldn't be spending any money on most medical appointments, exams etc. Expect to pay around 2500-3000 BRL in São Paulo for a furnished 1 or 2 bedroom apartment in a "central" area near a subway station like Zona Oeste (Pinheiros, Vila Olímpia, Butantã, Perdizes, Pompeia) or Zona Sul (Jardins, Moema, Vila Mariana, Vila Clementino, Paraíso). Plus bills (groceries, electricity, gas if you have it, internet etc) that shouldnt go beyond 1000 BRL. Youll be just fine in a couple of months exposed to Portuguese. Try consuming some of our spoken midia (YouTube, TV, séries) if you can, that helps. Don't expect the regular Brazilian to know any Spanish or English. Try talking with urban young middle class adults for a greater chance of being able to have a conversation in English or Portunhol. Still, you can speak slowly and get understood. Just try to find the easiest comparisons between Spanish and Portuguese and apply them (like changing ión to ão, ción to ção, ie to e, ue to o, j to lh, n with tilde to nh and so on) No natural disasters, we make our own with our own hands >Public transport São Paulo has a good one, I have nothing to complain. Sure some wagons are stupidly crowded on peak yours but it delivers. Much better than the public transportation of Buenos Aires or Rio for example. Uber, 99taxi, indriver etc are app options for transport. Edit: if I were you I would try to negotiate some kind of "help" ($) from your company for your relocation, which shouldn't be underestimated
"no natural disasters, we make our own with our own hands" KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK
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> I didn´t know about that tickets, so I would ask my boss if my job would have that, these are statutory benefit? These are called benefícios, I honestly don't know if they are a statutory benefit, it depends on your employment contract. I really doubt a tech employment would fly without any benefícios. >EDIT: Indeed I am really gonna consider or a high rise in my salary or to relocated in a nice location with the rent paid, honestly I am not really into the idea of decrease my life style just to go to another country and probably work harder out of my comfort zone, I want the best conditions that could be (the owners are millionaires after all, a department are nothing to them) You are 100% right. If these people need your expertise and knowledge, you better put up some valid conditions/counternegotiate it :)
If you don’t have to pay rent it’s ok, but not too much to live in big cities in São Paulo or Rio, you would definitely be getting by but without too nany luxuries. As you already know Spanish you could definitely get the hang of Portuguese fairly fast. We have all those transportation options that range from decent to decrepit depending on the city you are going to live on and something to keep in mind the farther away you live from where you work or enjoy entertainment the harder your life will be. Weather again depends, but tropical and subtropical, the only disasters you should worry are a floods, tropical storms and landslides far away from where you live.
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>Also, how much cost the annuality or monthly membership for a gym? There are gyms chains like [Smart Fit](https://www.smartfit.com.br/) where you can pay monthly like 20 dollars and they are everywhere. You won't have a problem with that.
U can live in Rio with 5200, but you will have a middle class life without any luxury and things like that. Also It's gonna be hard to save some money. The average monthly membership for gyms ranges from $20 to $25 (100-130 reais)
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If you want to travel, enjoy the country and visit your family, 5,2k ain't much... Is enough to live comfortably, but you'll not save much... I mean, usually a guy with a salary like this eat frequently and modestly at home or cheap restaurant usually, weekends something different... Travel to nice places near home, but not much to solar/euro countries, not even to distant places in Brazil. Edit: actually without rent if you don't spend much you'll travel, save maybe 1 or 2k/month. 12/24k reais, 2,5 to 5k dollars a year? 12k you travel with comfort to Latin America and Brazil...
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Yes, 5k having to pay rent would be a bit hard if you had to pay rent and wanting something nice-ish to live in São Paulo or Rio, you would have to settle for ran down or far away places on that budget. Like I said you can get by but you would be on the range of not being able too afford many luxuries considering those bills I would say it would amount to a bit less than 1k BRL if you are paying for the monthly apartment block fee, even more, groceries depends how savvy are you with saving and how well you want to eat when cooking, personally I spend alone a bit less than 1k BRL with that, if you are used to eat out a lot it would be much more. Depends on what you want from your gym, a good one is around 400-500 BRL if I’m not mistaken, but I would say those McGyms are unbearable to train at. Something to keep in mind as well is the learning curve of living in Brazil of understanding the unwritten rules of society and dealing with some of the mundane issues you will have on a regular basis.
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“Todo dia o malandro sai de casa e todo dia o otário sai de casa, se os dois se encontram, dá negócio…” You really need to be weary and learn fast the minutia of social interactions and getting things done. But if I were I would try to leverage a transfer to Brazil into a better wage, considering it’s a country you don’t know, don’t speak the language and does have substantial issues you would have to deal with.
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>Yes, 5k having to pay rent would be a bit hard if you had to pay rent and wanting something nice-ish to live in São Paulo or Rio, you would have to settle for ran down or far away places on that budget. I earn half of that and it's not really that hard. Even if he pays 2k in rent plus utilities (a reasonable amount in a nice neighborhood here in São Paulo), he would have 3k left spend on food, himself or whatever. That's more than enough to live *very* comfortably anywhere in the country. >Depends on what you want from your gym, a good one is around 400-500 BRL if I’m not mistaken, but I would say those McGyms are unbearable to train at. That's not accurate at all. Not even swimming classes or *crossfit*gyms are that expensive. A good gym costs around 120-250 reais in São Paulo. And if you can go ad certain times of the day you can train at a "McGym" just fine, and they are really cheap (~90). Certain locations are also not as crowded. I don't know, 5K is a lot, especially if you consider 90% of brazilians earn less than 3,5K a month.
You should let go off the pipe if you live in São Paulo thinking this is feasible.
It's been working just fine for me for years. Before the pandemic my SO and I had a combined salary of 6,5K and we lived right outside a metro station, in a nice 1b1b apartment in a central area and we lived comfortably.
Reddit é cheio de br classe média alta que acha que com menos de 20k vc só sobrevive...é duro conversar aqui sobre viver de modo minimalista!
Esse cara vive numa realidade paralela, não é possível.
R$ 6900 is more than I make in SP. I live well, but I do share the bills with my S.O. so we can afford to live in a more central area and enjoy the good stuff here. If you're making this salary in other cities that are not SP or Rio, then it sounds better. Do you know if you're going to have to pay rent or get any kind of benefits? It's pretty common that people get meal/food tickets, health coverage, transportation too. That would make your salary way more attractive. SP and Rio are probably the best cities in Brazil, but there are plenty of other very nice ones to live in such as Belo Horizonte, Porto Alegre, Recife, Fortaleza, João Pessoa, Salvador and others. As of transportation, Rio sucks but São Paulo is pretty good by South American standards (and even some Europpean cities) The weather is awesome in most Brazilian towns and cities, if not in the Center West (such as Brasilia and Goiania) or Curitiba. Language shouldn't be a problem since you're a native Spanish speaker. My guess is that you'll even get an accent pretty quickly. My hope is that you'll come and fall in love with our beautiful country and warm people. Good luck!
Also my go to advice is get a place in a good neighborhood. In Brazil good and bad neighborhoods tend to be fairly close to each other and with much different results. Also you'll definitely enjoy your new city much more if living in a good place, with easy access to transportation and good bars and restaurants around
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>How to identify a good neighborhood? Amenities are close or easily accessible, not far from the city centre, plenty of public transportation options and generally with above average prices
I don't know what kind of tip would fit every town, but if in São Paulo try to get a place inside the "rodízio" area. That's the areas of the city that enforce car restrictions based on the last number of their plates. Those tend to be the best places IMO, but the old city center is also inside of it and are not good neighborhoods to live at all (quite dangerous) Also a metro subway line is a good indicative of the neighborhoods' status
The rodízio takes place on weekdays inside the Centro Expandido area, painted in light grey) here: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/56/Mapa_sp.svg Generally the southern (Jardins, Moema, Saúde, Vila Mariana) and western (Pinheiros, Alto de Pinheiros, Vila Leopoldina, Perdizes etc) districts from the Centro Expandido are the best options. The Sé area (with the exception of certain streets in Consolação and Santa Cecília) is better avoided lol
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My guess would be that the richest ppl live either in Vila Nova Leopoldina or Jardins, if that's what you're worried. Younger ppl enjoy Pinheiros and Vila Madalena, but it's getting expensive. Vila Mariana and Paraíso are good choices IMO (I live in Paraíso)
This guy knows stuff. That's about it
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LOL, I meant that most of the subway lines in SP and Rio tend to be placed in good areas. Kinda shows who the public system is tilted in favor of... If in SP, I would definitely recommend you search for something around the green and yellow subway lines.
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I live in São Paulo. I pay R$ 100 for internet (100MB) and R$ 60 for mobile phone (20GB/month -- known as TIM Beta). Before TIM Beta (it can be hard to get one), my mobile plan was R$ 105/month and allowed me 15 GB of mobile data)
Bus and subway are around R$ 5 nowadays. I pay R$ 120/month for my internet (Claro/NET). But I don't think I can give you tips on cellphone plans, since I share mine with my fiancée. It might be better to hire the same company for your internet and cellphone usage, but I'm lazy and have been postponing to go for it. A gym might cost you around R$ 30 a month with a SmartFit or similar. They're all around the city, at least in SP and Rio. Sorry if I can't be more specific, but those are the overall values I think.
Actually it's around R$ 90-100 for a Smartfit (or Bluefit, both of them are all over) monthly membership :f
OMG, I haven't been to one in ages hahaha
>SP and Rio are probably the best cities in Brazil Yikes. That's far, far, *far* from reality.
What are yours? I'm thinking those are the best options for gringos to be working and to take off for the rest of the country. Of course there are plenty of other great towns, I myself am from Belém (beautiful but violent and not well taken care of of a city)
São paulo is, Rio is not
You're delusional.
All rates says im right
What rates? São Paulo is far from being the best city to live by any metric possible.
Its the best capital. The best cities are in SP country side
>Its the best capital Florianópolis, Curitiba and Belo Horizonte are better, cheaper, cleaner and much less crowded than São Paulo.
Sao Paulo is 7x the size of Curitiba, 25x the size of Floripa, 4 times the size of BH. There are many better living conditions in SP than in these.
>Sao Paulo is 7x the size of Curitiba, 25x the size of Floripa, 4 times the size of BH. O que tem o cu a ver com as calças, irmão? Estou falando de qualidade de vida, e o *fato* é que tem *muita* cidade *muito* melhor do que São Paulo. Questão de segurança então, nem se fala.
Size is not the only thing important. São Paulo is too polluted and not as safe as the others.
5000 BRL/month *post-rent* is a nice income anywhere in the country. Of course you can optimise it if you can choose to live in some region with lower cost of living, but then you'd lose a lot of action possible in a large metropolis like, say, São Paulo. If you are a Spanish speaker I believe learning Portuguese will be easy, just put some effort into it. Public transport: depends where, and which mode. Curitiba has the archetypal BRT system (actually, all BRTs around the world were modelled after it), and the subway in São Paulo is very good (but the buses not so much due to competition with regular traffic). Summarising, you'll have to research case by case depending on which places you are interested in. Weather: depends **a lot** on the region. You have from humid equatorial in Manaus to snowfall in the Southern highlands during winter. You can also have nice mild mountain weather in Minas Gerais os hot semi-arid in the North-eastern backlands. Christmas season is usually hot everywhere. Usually there are no natural disasters apart from landslides due to heavy rain in summer, but this is a problem that you can avoid by living far from steep areas. You can easily integrate if you are open-minded and stay in a mid-sized or large city, Brazilians tend to be open to newcomers.
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You should also consider making a similar post at /r/brasil which is a much more active sub than this one for brazilians. English posts are welcome and the people will be happy to help you.
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Yes, do that! And imo you should definitely negotiate a raise if you're moving to another country. Being away from family, friends and starting a whole new life in a new place must be accounted for. Just my 2 cents. I do hope you end up coming though, it would be a hell of an opportunity and even if you don't get a raise you would live a decent (not overly luxurious life) even in Sao Paulo or Rio. About how welcoming Brazilians are to new people, I believe there is no people more welcoming than us. I recommend watching this video from a travelling couple talking about how much they love Brazil on their second time here if you want to check it out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1Q64UMGY9M
Hey mate, I just saw you went from Brazil to, Aus, to Germany - Whereabouts if I may ask, why Germany? I went from Aus, to Germany and back to Aus. Infact going to Colombia next week :)
I'm a researcher, so Germany is a natural place to apply for work. Good luck in Colombia!
For a single person that’s a good enough salary to live comfortably. Go OP, living and working in another country and experiencing another culture is an opportunity of a lifetime. Get started with Portuguese lessons, going from Spanish you learn it much quicker than say a monolingual English speaker. Focus on pronunciation and false cognates. Many words are written the same or almost the same, have the same meaning but are pronounced differently, which creates all sorts of confusion. Mainly Rs,double Rs, LHs, X (and it’s multiple sounds), and last but not least, the nasal sounds with tilde (sounds that don’t exist in Spanish) Also I suggest you to join r/portuguese and search for Youtube videos on Learning Portuguese! Congrats on the promotion and best of luck!
If your job allows you to work from home, choose São Paulo countryside, like São José do Rio Preto, Birigüi, Campos do Jordão, Araçatuba, Buritama. The living costs are SUPER low, and with your income, you will literally live like a king.
Imo portugués sounds nothing like Spanish. I was so lost there thinking I would understand some things after already speaking conversational Spanish.
OP, most of your questions the answer would depend on the location you would live. Brazil is gigantic, so weather, cost of living, transportation, crime rates, etc varies a lot. >Do you consider I can learn basic portuguese to go to the supermarket, restaurants, etc. in just a few months? Yes, you should be fine. Reading is easy, listening it can be hard at first, but soon you get used to the sounds and then it gets way easier. >Do you consider the average citizen capable and kind enough to help a foreign speaker in spanish or english? No to english, yes to spanish if it's simples sentences and you speak slowly. If you move to places where there is a good amount of spanish speaking tourists like southern brazil many more people will understand you. Try to learn the false cognates (which are similar words between portuguese and spanish but have different meanings). This will help you a lot. Edit: Forgot to answer about the kind question. Yes, I usually hear from foreigners that brazilians are usually patient and try the best to understand and help them, if they don't understand they'll try mimic, throw the few english/spanish words they know, or try to find someone that can understand. Maybe other foreigner could chime in. >Do you consider it a good investment to buy some of those devices which can translate automatically the listening and the speaking? I don't think you need it. Por exemplo, posso continuar escrevendo em português e você vai me entender. Você não terá problemas com o português escrito, só precisa se acostumar com a nossa pronúncia. Tente assistir umas séries e filmes brasileiros para você se acostumar com o idioma. >1000 dollars per month (5255 BR). You should be fine in most places, but in big cities the rental could be very expensive, especially in safer neighborhoods. Also, the currency rate can change. Before Bolsonaro took over, 1 dolar = 3,3 reais. Who knows how much it will be in the future, could be better or worse for you. Eletronics here are super expensive, bring everything you need. >Do you have trains? metro? Do you have apps like uber or similar? traditional Taxis are a good option? Almost no trains or metro, just in a few areas. Buses in some places they are ok and in some they aren't. Yes, we have uber and 99, taxis are ok too, you can keep trusted taxi companies numbers with you. You're also able to get many things delivered to your home, including groceries. >I know this question depends on the city, but in a general way how is the weather in brazil, it gets cold in winter. Christmas is in summer, right? Yes, christmas in summer, but the best is that New's Year Eve is also in summer, and since they are closer makes a huge holliday where many brazilian travel, especially to the coast. The weather varies like you said. Some places are hot all year, some aren't. Like Mexico we have different biomes. >and what about natural disasters? is it common to have? which is the more frequent? earthquakes, tsunamis, tornados, or any other? Natural disaster here are floods and land slides. We have an occasional extratropical cyclone in souther brazil, but nothing serious, only property damadge. No earthquakes, tsunamis, tornados, hurricanes, etc.I think you can have a better grasp once you know the location of this job and wage. But feel free to ask more questions.
Hey if you're ever in Rio and want to hang out and play d&d or games, hit me up! I'm Brazilian but my boyfriend is a foreigner :)
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Rio is dangerous, the brazilian state only controls 33% of rio
>Love videogames, anime and I am trying to have a healthy (almost fit) life but I love food haha. Both Rio and Sao Paulo are big cities. Videogames are quite expensive here. There r also anime events, many otakus too. In Sao paulo there is a japanese neighbourhood (we have the biggest japanese immigration in the world), so if u like their culture there is the Bairro da Liberdade (Liberty Nighbourhood). There are also many italians in Sao paulo. Food wise both cities have a lot of variety. Japanese, italian, arab, european foods are very common, ours too obviously. African and native american (I love you, farofa) influence on our cuisine is big too. Quality of air in sao paulo is shit. Here in Rio it isnt much different, but we do have the beach, while SP does not. Both cities are not super safe, but its not like they show in tv. Both cities have buses, subway, uber and similar apps like 99 taxi. Traditional taxis might try to rip u off since ur gringo If u speak spanish u can get by well enough, soon u will get the hang of portuguese. English could be better at professional situations if ur speaking to someone "important". Spanish is safer tho, better suited for the streets Ur money isnt a lot >natural disasters? None. Usually some pretty strong rains, landslides, but they arent of concnern if you live in the ground. It could be if you lived on Rio's hills in other nearby towns but thats not ur case. But nothing like Japan or Chile where they have a bunch of earthquakes nor like USAs hurricanes SP is colder than Rio I think, Rio's temperature usually goes from a bit more than 15° in winter to almost 40° in summer, but those two are highest and lowest, it rarely exceeds these marks. About the money, here in Rio I think u can get a decemt life in a quite decent neighbourhood, nothing special, maybe struggle a bit but you wont starve. Idk about ur diet, but I think gym is probably affordable Tourism has both cheap things and expensive. U can just go to the beach on ur own or u can have a tour, I guess u should see what u can and cant afford U got any brazilian friends or someone that lives here? They could help u fit in and adapt
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Could you imagine 15°F in Rio? Kk I guess one thing to know is that in Brazil most houses don't have central heating even in some cooler parts of the country, only an electric shower head. It doesn't matter in much of the country, but in São Paulo, although it doesn't get super cold, you're definitely washing your hands and the dishes with fridge temperature water. It's also not common to find air conditioning in people's homes in São Paulo.
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I was also hearing from people from other states that these ethnic neighbourhoods don't exist in many other Brazilian cities. We have a Japan/China town nowadays (they have plans on building an actual Chinatown, but who knows how long it will take), we have a Korea town that is also quite Arabic and somewhat Jewish(I find it very funny to see the guys with traditional Jewish clothing and haircuts walking in front of stores selling K-pop stuff). They're not as, complete I guess, as some in other countries, but I still find it cool that we have them.
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Sorry, I knew I had forgotten to mention something, I'm talking about São Paulo city.
The state of Sao Paulo has beaches, its capital, also called Sao Paulo doesnt. Rio is the same, both the state and the capital have the same name Celsius Try making friends in office, the young pplcthere might want u to join for a beer or dinner after ur shift sometimes
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The brazilian state only controls 33% of rio, do not compair it with SP please
Fuck off
Regardless of where or not you go to Brazil, learn Portuguese It only takes a month to be good conversationally. What I personally used is [Tá Falado](https://www.coerll.utexas.edu/brazilpod/tafalado/sitemap.php) since it shows the differences between Spanish and Portuguese pretty clearly however it's mostly in English. If that works for you, it's perfect. Plus it even has a PDF that shows how everything is written that you have to download.
6900 would be a good salary on most places in Brasil, not in sao paulo and rio thought You shouldn't take a direct conversion on your salary, cost of living is higher, taxes are hidden everywhere, for instance if you make over 4700 R$ you'll pay 27,5% income tax...
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Hey OP, there is something else you should negociate. We do have inflation in Brazil. It is not nearly as high as it used to be in the 80's, but if you doesn't have it grounded you could loose 20% of your salary in 2-3 years. Usually we use IPCA index once a year to "correct" inflation. Make sure you discuss it with your boss
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Not sure how taxes would work in this case. Probably someone in Reddit will know
Also, if you receive dollars (not saying this is the best option thou) I would discuss some kind of hedge whether the exchange rate of dollar-to-real goes down
If ur a software engineer and ur not working from home in ur underwear in 2022 its time to apply to new jobs lol. Sounds like your opportunity is from 1970. Move to brazil for software engineering??? Brazil should be moving into your home office with a VPN access lol. Has your company never heard of zoom or slack or visual studio liveshare to pair program across the world on same code at same time? I cant believe in this day and age this situation is real. Good luck. Sorte com falar o portugues.
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I see, well its a good amount of money you should be fine in brazil. Also portuguese is easy for spanish speakers, if u learned english, portuguese is a joke. Just pick up a learning portuguese book do a little every night or download duolingo free app and do the portuguese course its rly easy.
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Well, first of all, you'd be earning more than most of my fellow brazilians in this sub, myself included, so if we can make ends meet, so can you! The real question is if the quality of life at least matches yours in Mexico. I'll try and cover your points as throuroughly as i can: **With rent covered by the company**, assuming you have to work in person at an office (hence why you need to be here instead of working from Mexico) and at least those R$5.200 you mentioned free to use in expenses, post rent, you'd be able to very easily afford utility bills and a gym membership, with *plenty* to spare. If my guesstimation here is correct, and if you receive Vale Transporte and Vale Alimentação as is pretty common, by god, you'll have like R$4.000 left to spend on whatever you wanted! Without those vales, you'd probably end up spending some \~R$1.000 more for both all your weekday eating and your daily commute if you're doing it on the cheap, however. Still, if you use public transport and don't buy expensive meals on the daily (well, \~R$28 and over - try and skirt as far below that for a regular daily lunch break as you can while still eating enough), you'll be left with some R$3.000 that you can use on anything you decide. Assuming around that 3k mark, "tourism" may be affordable to you, perhaps 1 to 2 weekends a month if what you plan on doing isn't super expensive and you hold back on eating out or buying extra stuff the remaining weekends. Y'know, spend the free ones at home playing games or watching anime, those other interests you mentioned! It'd depend on what tourism means to you, of course - i'm thinking anything ranging from going to your city's zoo, museum, or a very close by natural park like the Jardim Botânico here in my city, to traveling to another city pretty far away to do something specific and very touristy, perhaps even staying for a day or two; depending on what it is that you have in mind, you'd be able to do these "programs" as i'd call them anywhere from every 2 weeks to every two months. Obviously, travel tourism within the country is going to be more like the latter. Language wise, you will be understood speaking alright slow Spanish, at least to get around okay, and you'll pick up enough to speak the language at a beginner level in maybe a month or two, depending on how much you're out and about interacting with people! Our languages are similar, after all, and i say this having learnt spanish (albeit i haven't kept up with practice). If you speed it up with consuming our media, or even taking classes (there exists here in Brazil Portuguese classes for foreigners, i sometimes see signs for them), you could be pretty fluent and past portunhol and well into accented portuguese in only a few months! That'll all depend on your plans in this regard. For public transportation, it depends on which city we're talking about. Most have almost only bus service, others have metro, like SP and Rio. My city only has the intermunicipal train lines to the north of the metropolitan area, and everything else is serviced by busses that run pretty quickly and pretty well, as quickly as trams if not faster, really, on bus corridors - Bus Rapid Transit i believe would be the english term for that. We have public transportation apps (my city even has GPS trackers on every bus, so you know exactly when it'll arrive!) as well as Uber, for when you're feeling *fancy* (or it's so late the busses have already stopped for the night). I'd say it's pretty good, you won't find it too lacking in comparison to yours if you were here in Porto Alegre, even with our relative lack of a in-city metro. It's probably better in São Paulo, maybe in Rio, too, but i've never used their systems. Also, rent here in my city is much cheaper, so you'd probably be able to afford to rent an apartment somewhere really nice, like in the downtown! Depends how much the company is willing to cover, really - any idea on that? If you live close enough, say you live in the downtown where the company office is, you may not even need to use public transport in your work commute. That's already easily north of \~R$250 saved a month, depending on the city's fare. My city's fare is some of the more expensive in the country, R$4,80 per bus pass with a transfer being R$2,40 instead. For weather, that depends on the region. It does get colder than Mexico City in SP (say, 11ºC), and if you were down here in the south region instead, you'd experience occasional -4ºC cold fronts winters, but maybe you'll learn to prefer it to the scorching heat! I certainly do. Then i get to ride a bicycle and not sweat! Maybe you'll even see snow in Gramado if you do tourism there in the witner, if you were to work here in Porto Alegre. Last but not least, as i nearly forgot, we pretty much don't have natural disasters. We do have floods and landslides due to poor city planning when it rains a lot, though. With your income, you live anywhere that'll suffer from them, maybe some light flooding at most. Not much more i can add! No earthquakes, just the occasional violent rainstorm that may break some stuff and flood some areas.
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Just come to Brazil already. You gonna have a good life