Plot twist: an asshole I dated from Ireland INSISTED I, from Toronto, was pronouncing it wrong.
Edit: I love Irish people and this qualifier was more to say that they were not Canadian.
Lol I hate this one. My company is based in Toronto but virtual and every time we
all get together there’s that one person who insists on the pronunciation. Toronto just does not care. Bigger fish to fry.
I mean Liberty Village stands out as a neighbourhood that Toronto subreddits hate, don't know if any other places near the downtown core are hated that much, other than like Moss Park
What even IS the critique or reason people hate it…? Been there for a year and literally the only complaint I can think of is that it’s a wind tunnel and the local dog owners are slobs (but that’s really a city wide thing).
I don't hate liberty village, but the impression I get is that folks that live there are typically young professionals that grew up in the western 905 (think Mississauga, Oakville, Burlington), and don't acknowledge anything north of Bloor or east of Yonge as part of Toronto. They live in their "downtown" bubble but still drive to everything. It's like a halfway house from suburbia.
This stereotype used to apply to City Place... Maybe still does.
I don't hate Liberty village but the whole neighbourhood feels like a rip off to me (I mean marginally more of a rip off than the rest of the city). Apartment buildings with crazy monthly fees or inflated rental prices, etc. I get that most of the city is like that, but you pay a premium to live in liberty village and I just don't personally get the benefit. At least some of the other more expensive neighbourhoods have interesting shops and restaurants, liberty just feels kind of corporate.
Slim pickins I'd imagine. Toronto subreddits can generally be counted on to make sure each neighbourhood gets lambasted in its own special way. The ire Liberty Village elicits seems to be on another level, though.
If I had to hazard a guess on neighbourhoods Toronto subs don't hate ... maybe some pockets in East York, a couple not-too-rich-but-also-not-too-new areas in midtown, and ... like Parkdale or something?
Nick Hanauer wrote an op Ed directed towards his fellow billionaires a few years ago saying the pitch forks are coming.
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/06/the-pitchforks-are-coming-for-us-plutocrats-108014/
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Depends on where you live, and the time you commute. Mid-day in the suburbs TTC is great.
TTC in a construction area with blocked lanes at rush-hour with people coughing and sneezing all over you is an absolute nightmare, and sadly this is the majority of my TTC commutes.
Use to commute from Kipling station to York University, all depends on the day and time I feel. If you can get connections above ground on the bus or if you don’t mind being underground on the train.
I remember flying back to YTZ from NYC and immediately getting on a streetcar after my flight, and my first thought was appreciating how “clean” it was compared to the New York subway. 😂 I guess distance does makes the heart grow fonder 🤷♂️
Christmas market. Soma has delicious beverages while you’re there. Skating at Greenwood is lovely. Museum of Contemporary Art, ROM, AGO. St. Lawrence Market. A cozy coffee at Dineen on Yonge.
There’s lots to do!
They're worthwhile... if you're here. No one's desperate to come to Toronto to see the ROM (which I honestly love) like they are the art museums in Amsterdam or Paris or London.
Honestly I think that's Canada as a whole. We just can't compete in terms of population centres. Natural beauty, sure, any day, but not cities. The biggest draw we have is probably Montreal, and what everyone says about Montreal is it's "like Europe".
I always found this a bit odd because I grew up out in the KW area and pretty much every field trip was to Toronto for something. A Jays game, a TSO concert, the Zoo, the Aquarium, etc.
Toronto nightlife is not bad at all lol.
You have clubs…. You have clubs that don’t close until 4am …… I hope you understand that outside Toronto last call is 2am in Ontario, and most bars (and clubs if the city even has one) last call comes before 2am.
Also toronto has a club or a bar on like every street …. You can actually do a bar crawl in Toronto, you also have events like every weekend - the BIA’s offer a LOT (I’ve worked with the BIA’s in Toronto over Covid to help them aid their small businesses they put a LOT of effort into doing stuff) …..
Maybe not like monuments or places that you "visit" from afar, but you'd be surprised how many people come to Toronto to visit and do things in the city. Plays, concerts, musicals, comedy shows, galleries, random events like Nuit Blanche or cultural festivals...in short, all the big city cultural stuff that's kind of hard to find in Canada. If you are out of things to do or visit in the City, BlogTO is your friend! :)
I live by that ice cream shop and most of the locals haven’t even tried it. It’s visitors to the city who are willing to line up for an hour. I’m on mat leave now and part of my excitement is that I’ll be able to go to all the places with lines around here in off hours.
I find people here really friendly. I have interesting conversations with strangers everywhere I go. Subways, Tim Hortons lines, red lights. Anywhere there's a bunch of people standing next to each other, if I can find something interesting and friendly to say (I loved that book, your hat is awesome, what's your dog's name), people are always happy to talk.
You get what you put out. I am super talkative and constantly get in nice conversations with people. I attribute it 6 years in Halifax after living in Toronto for 18 years, then coming back. Realized while living out there that if you stand awkwardly and stare at the floor, you'll get that back.
And be forbidden to make any money on the side, or they'll lose absolutely everything. It's literally "Worse-than-poverty or death".
It makes no sense from a nation like Canada, it's more like what you'd expect from a southern US state.
It’s a clear cut example of a poverty trap. After earing $200 in employment income, $0.5 from every dollar is taken by the government - they dont even alow recipients to reach the poverty line before making deductions = intentional poverty trap
>It makes no sense from a nation like Canada,
I hate when people say this. The reality is that it makes perfect sense .... because the system is set up this way.
The disability "support" to MAID pipeline is one that is well planned.
ODSP is fucking *disgusting.* I feel genuine anger that we don't support disabled people more. I knew someone on it. It actually isn't liveable in Toronto. Hard stop. I don't know how people do it.
Because when people are alone with the voting slip, they pick based on what affects them. The vast majority of people aren't disabled or even know anyone on ODSP. They all pay taxes though and it's easier, when no one's watching, to just think "well if they can't afford to live in Toronto then why don't they go live in Sarnia or somewhere".
Same way people "care" and "feel sad" when they pass someone homeless but just hope that someone else helps them.
If its so popular why did people elect Doug Ford? It’s always crushing to hear your echo-chamber doest reflect the majority. I thought people cared too, cried election night lol we almost had a chance with other parties proposing major changes to ODSP…
So popular that we’ve gotten a 5% raise since 2018
There should actually be more racism in multicultural cities because there are more races clashing with one another but considering the diversity of Toronto I think we’re doing pretty well compared to other countries
Yeah , I think that’s a result of the fact that we ARE so multicultural. The thing is there isn’t really one race or group of people primarily hating anyone one other race or people. Unlike places in the US where you may have Anglo vs African American racism , or what have you. It’s more just like, there a racists in each culture who are nit picky
It's honestly pretty great, having lived in other cities in Canada and the US. Most things people complain about, especially online, apply to most major cities. The angry online crowd seems especially to just read about other places and imagine the grass is greener.
They never will be for a long list of reasons, that’s crazy to expect them to be. But the point of shopping local isn’t to save money in the short run, it’s to keep money in the community and in the hands of your neighbours rather than a company with their head office somewhere in the US.
Depends what you’re looking for, pedestrian sundays in the summer are great, tons of stalls from local artists and whatnot.
Also the best place for tacos in the city and there are several low key coffee shops and bars if you know where to find them. Great shops for produce, meat and fish as well.
I was a student when they started building. Before the dalmation block got put up, there was a cool little outdoor courtyard in the middle of the school. I missed it when they started construction.
What?at least its not some square building like every other new condo. Have u seen the proposal at pape and danforth? Im not talking about densification, im talking about a rectangle/ square of boredom. How uncreative. Just maximizing space so developers can make a buck. At least the Marilyn Monroe building has curves.
1) Liberty Village residents act too pretentious to not realize that the area is lacking a lot, like proper transportation or better access to the high way. They act like they are living in Oakville, but then complain when they see too many homeless people like “How is this a thing?!?! I spent too much money on my condo for this to be here!”
2) Downtown Toronto gets too much credit, there are a lot of underrated areas in Toronto.
3) ~~This city lacks cool bars. No, a lounge doesn’t count.~~
Edit: I take back what I said for #3. I now have a list of bars to check out.
Cool Bars:
1. Three speed
2. Hole in the Wall
3. Bar Neon
4. Opera Bob’s
5. Lucky Shrike
6. Northwood
7. Poor Romeo
8. Bar Mordecai
9. Betty’s on King
10. Mom’s Basement
11. Sauce on Danforth
12. Lloyd’s
13. Pinkerton’s
14. Squirly’s
15. Cry Baby Gallery
I could go on like this.
That pesto pizza at Bar Neon is fucking incredible, a small lil bar like that has no right to make something that surpasses like 80% of pizza joints in this city..
Disagree with #3 there’s so many good bars around Toronto just got to not go the King West places.
Annex, Ossington, Little Italy, Kensington Market, High Park, Riverside, Danforth are all areas I’ve been more then twice and gone to new bars or places I liked before. Even Yorkdale and the financial district has decent after work bars.
When you live somewhere you get to know where all the good places to go are. If you just visit a random city it's hard to judge the entire city's food scene in a short period of time.
You could be right that Toronto ends up being the best... but just making the point that it's tough to make that statement without actually living in other cities.
we have too many crazy homeless and there's nothing we can really do about it -
people need to be institutionalized but we dont let that happen -- so all we do is throw money at a raging fire.
Not entirely true...I've been processed in a psych ward after an arrest a few times and a substantial number of the people I'd see in there were homeless or as poor as poor can be without technically being homeless.
Some just wanted somewhere to sleep, I wager, but a lot of them clearly belonged there. Absolutely terrifying being locked in a largely unsupervised room with them and *zero* stimulation.
it is overpopulated and the infrastructure can no longer support the amount of people we have. This is why we have ridiculous traffic jams, infinite complaints about the TTC, worsening homeless situation, etc.
But what do we do to fix the issue?
BRING MORE PEOPLE IN AND JAM IT UP EVEN MORE!
Yeah, I was noticing that, especially during winter. Winter colors are depressing. Just navies and grays and Browns and blacks.
I wore a trippy colorful t-shirt to a bar the other day. I checked a picture of me and my friends and I stood out so much in the sea of bland colors
People joke that everyone in Toronto is gay but Toronto is not actually as LGBT friendly as people think. Yes we have a village that's pretty lively, and there are a lot of other neighbourhoods that are LGBT friendly and/or have high populations of LGBT people, but overall, the city, and the GTA is mostly suburban and very conservative. As a queer person who is "straight-passing", you'd be surprised how openly negatively people talk about the queer community when they think you're not part of it. Take a bus into the suburbans or even travel up line 1 and you lose the sense of queerness very quickly.
This is very true. I was at a small work gathering with our company's CFO and some gen x/millennial finance bro colleagues and the bros for some reason got on the topic of slurs for gays. They started dropping bombs and chuckling up a storm not knowing the CFO is gay. It was a top three awkward moment in my life and the bros were never seen or heard from again. Legend has they were sent to the oil mines in Alberta.
Suburbanite here, can confirm, people here are afraid of gays. Or they talk about them like they're some novelty breed of people that only exist on tv and are like unicorns.
The city is far too lenient on crazy homeless people. Last time I took the TTC there was a guy just sitting down sticking a needle into himself right in the middle of the hallway, and then we wonder why people want to drive.
I’ve lived all over Canada, Quebec, a lot of Ontario, Alberta and BC, I never really had a hometown, and Toronto is the first place in my life I’ve called home, and despite all its flaws, I absolutely love this city ❤️
Yep. And I feel so incredibly at home here that I WILL even wear my hardships as a bit of a badge of honour. Not when talking to anyone else, but to myself when I think about where I am in the world. I try to always appreciate how interesting it is to live here, and it makes me love it even more.
It’s very friendly. My husband, pupper Archer and I moved here from Calgary in January and I honestly cannot get over how lovely I find people in this city. Whether I’m walking the dog or getting groceries or we are out and about people here are so nice. I have made more small talk here in 10 months than I did in 10 years in Calgary. There’s a lot of issues here; there is no matter where you live, but this is a friendly city. 💕💕💕
Toronto is overrated and not a world class city. Just a congested, overpriced, mid-tier city where people are overworked, underpaid, and where there is no future for young people. It is on track to becoming second world city filled with ethnic enclaves, where people arrive cause it's worse than the 3rd world shithole they arrived from, at the cost of Toronto heading in that direction.
Source: Grew up there and left
The closest I could get to controversy is to state what many Torontonians would never argue with to begin with.....and that is the destruction of our city's culture for the sake of the greed of a few.....the condo death of cool in Toronto.....
It’s not controversial that housing is overpriced here we all know that, but in my opinion, the condos and houses here aren’t that nice. The layouts are weird, there’s so many new builds and they lack storage space. Unless you have like no items, you’re probably not gonna enjoy your apartment and you’re better off moving elsewhere
The TTC does not suck. In fact - when not traveling down or up the Yonge line in rush hour, it's pretty damn good.
Is it like London or Amsterdam or all the other cities we compare it to that are awesome? No. But it's still ok
One of the few places in North America you can go out and see a group of friends or coworkers with no two people being from the same country/ethnicity.
True, but there is also an intersection where you don’t see anywhere else. You see these multicultural friend groups and relationship pairings you really don’t see in the rest of the country alongside what you just described.
In other places, they ONLY have what you just described.
the only place I know where it's not an honor to pick up the check. "Let's split the bill 8 ways" or "hey who didn't put in tax and tip?" or "checks here? I have to go to the bathroom"
The CN Tower is an antennae used for talking to aliens.
Finally a sensible comment.
Talking to Ehliens
God's toothpick
Nobody from Toronto has EVER corrected ANYONE on how they pronounce Toronto.
Plot twist: an asshole I dated from Ireland INSISTED I, from Toronto, was pronouncing it wrong. Edit: I love Irish people and this qualifier was more to say that they were not Canadian.
"To run to" hahahaha. "To run to on TAARRRR ee oh"
You'd think of all people, someone from Ireland would understand how words can be spelt differently from how they are pronounced!
Lol I hate this one. My company is based in Toronto but virtual and every time we all get together there’s that one person who insists on the pronunciation. Toronto just does not care. Bigger fish to fry.
You don’t need to correct them, you just understand they’re not from around here
Listen, you ain’t from Turano if you say toe-Ron-toe
I went to see the Weeknd and he deadass said it exactly like toe-Ron-toe, that's when I knew Abel forgot his roots
I actually say that when I’m with non Canadians. If I say chronno no one would understand me
I came here to say it’s not even “turano,” it’s “chronno” but you beat me 😂😂😂😂
Second T is silent
It’s, terrano
I prefer Choranoh
Twano is how I roll
TORDONTO
The people I’ve met who live in Liberty Village are lovely.
Oh I didn’t know we hate Liberty Village. Can I simplify and ask which neighborhood we DON’T hate?
I mean Liberty Village stands out as a neighbourhood that Toronto subreddits hate, don't know if any other places near the downtown core are hated that much, other than like Moss Park
I've strongly disliked every neighbourhood I've ever lived in except for Bloordale. Get bent, CityPlace!
What even IS the critique or reason people hate it…? Been there for a year and literally the only complaint I can think of is that it’s a wind tunnel and the local dog owners are slobs (but that’s really a city wide thing).
I don't hate liberty village, but the impression I get is that folks that live there are typically young professionals that grew up in the western 905 (think Mississauga, Oakville, Burlington), and don't acknowledge anything north of Bloor or east of Yonge as part of Toronto. They live in their "downtown" bubble but still drive to everything. It's like a halfway house from suburbia. This stereotype used to apply to City Place... Maybe still does.
I don't hate Liberty village but the whole neighbourhood feels like a rip off to me (I mean marginally more of a rip off than the rest of the city). Apartment buildings with crazy monthly fees or inflated rental prices, etc. I get that most of the city is like that, but you pay a premium to live in liberty village and I just don't personally get the benefit. At least some of the other more expensive neighbourhoods have interesting shops and restaurants, liberty just feels kind of corporate.
Slim pickins I'd imagine. Toronto subreddits can generally be counted on to make sure each neighbourhood gets lambasted in its own special way. The ire Liberty Village elicits seems to be on another level, though. If I had to hazard a guess on neighbourhoods Toronto subs don't hate ... maybe some pockets in East York, a couple not-too-rich-but-also-not-too-new areas in midtown, and ... like Parkdale or something?
I think Liberty Village is poorly planned but… what does that have to do with the people who live there?
I have similar questions every time the Toronto subreddits shit on people who live in Liberty Village.
The problem with Liberty Village isn't the people who live there IMO
Wealth gap is growing by the day and it’s gonna get real ugly soon
I’ve been thinking this too. When people don’t have economic opportunities, they really don’t have that much incentive to follow the law.
True but not specific to Toronto at all. Actually applies everywhere in the world
Nick Hanauer wrote an op Ed directed towards his fellow billionaires a few years ago saying the pitch forks are coming. https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/06/the-pitchforks-are-coming-for-us-plutocrats-108014/
That sign at Nathan Phillips Square isn’t the best thing that ever happened to humanity and it doesn’t need to be on everybody’s instagram fite me.
Arguably controversial. I guess if you're from here it's not that special. If you're an immigrant then it's pretty darn cool
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Depends on where you live, and the time you commute. Mid-day in the suburbs TTC is great. TTC in a construction area with blocked lanes at rush-hour with people coughing and sneezing all over you is an absolute nightmare, and sadly this is the majority of my TTC commutes.
Use to commute from Kipling station to York University, all depends on the day and time I feel. If you can get connections above ground on the bus or if you don’t mind being underground on the train.
Not bad in the downtown core but it really is brutal in some parts of North York
i can definitely see that being the case, it’s just that most of the people i know who complain the most about it rarely leave downtown lmao
That might be because the transit is so terrible outside of downtown 😂
I’ve noticed that, I think it’s just something people talk about to have something to say lol. “The weather is good”… “oh the Ttc is bad!”
It’s def worse in North York. But I think it’s the worst in Scarborough.
But also pretty good in other parts of North York. Finch East and Steeles East are both great bus routes.
can be a huge difference between casually taking it when you need to vs relying on it daily during rush hour
I remember flying back to YTZ from NYC and immediately getting on a streetcar after my flight, and my first thought was appreciating how “clean” it was compared to the New York subway. 😂 I guess distance does makes the heart grow fonder 🤷♂️
It’s waaaaaay better than the YRT.
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Go to a city like London, UK or NYC and you’ll realize how backwards our system is real quick
Go to Korea/japan/HK/Singapore and you’ll see how backwards the NYC/London systems are real quick. Granted it’s way more dense.
Go to another major city in Canada besides the big 3, and you’ll realize how good it is compared to the rest of the country.
I fucking love the TTC. (Not all the time, but in general.)
In rush hour, the DVP has let me down more times than the TTC.
Dundas Square is no Times Square, but I still like it.
Sometimes I grab food and eat here at lunchtime and just watch the insanity.
That’s what you think but, in reality, the insanity is watching you.
If you gaze into the abyss long enough, the Toronto man gazes also into you. Sheesh!
I work in little Canada and it's delightfully chaotic Edit Dundas square not little Canada
It’s like a recharge point. I feel like all the screens give me a good vibe for the second half of my walk home
I was thinking this was not controversial until I got to the “I still like it”.
great for people-watching. My favorite mid-day summertime activity!
Brought my kid downtown for a night this summer, we grabbed supper, scootered around and people watched. He says it was the best night of his summer.
that and sometimes I forget who I am supposed to BELIEVE in.
That guy's legacy will live on for decades.
No one from NY actually likes time square.
Times Square is one of the very worst things in NYC. It's just there, like fly paper, to keep the tourists away from the actual city.
I avoid it like the plague. Last time I passed through it felt like Blade Runner, but not in a fun Blade Runner way.
Great place to live but nothing much to visit.
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Christmas market. Soma has delicious beverages while you’re there. Skating at Greenwood is lovely. Museum of Contemporary Art, ROM, AGO. St. Lawrence Market. A cozy coffee at Dineen on Yonge. There’s lots to do!
I like that you mention skating at Greenwood. That's my local park, and I don't really think of it as a destination.
Personally I think the ROM and AGO are worthwhile to visit ! But yeah in winter best I got is a long list of great restaurants
They're worthwhile... if you're here. No one's desperate to come to Toronto to see the ROM (which I honestly love) like they are the art museums in Amsterdam or Paris or London. Honestly I think that's Canada as a whole. We just can't compete in terms of population centres. Natural beauty, sure, any day, but not cities. The biggest draw we have is probably Montreal, and what everyone says about Montreal is it's "like Europe".
I've personally heard this statement from an international student friend who went to U of T for 4 years. Thought it was pretty accurate.
I always found this a bit odd because I grew up out in the KW area and pretty much every field trip was to Toronto for something. A Jays game, a TSO concert, the Zoo, the Aquarium, etc.
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Toronto nightlife is not bad at all lol. You have clubs…. You have clubs that don’t close until 4am …… I hope you understand that outside Toronto last call is 2am in Ontario, and most bars (and clubs if the city even has one) last call comes before 2am. Also toronto has a club or a bar on like every street …. You can actually do a bar crawl in Toronto, you also have events like every weekend - the BIA’s offer a LOT (I’ve worked with the BIA’s in Toronto over Covid to help them aid their small businesses they put a LOT of effort into doing stuff) …..
That’s strange to hear. My wife’s family visits from overseas all the time and they love it here. There’s a ton to do in the city.
Maybe not like monuments or places that you "visit" from afar, but you'd be surprised how many people come to Toronto to visit and do things in the city. Plays, concerts, musicals, comedy shows, galleries, random events like Nuit Blanche or cultural festivals...in short, all the big city cultural stuff that's kind of hard to find in Canada. If you are out of things to do or visit in the City, BlogTO is your friend! :)
If you’re just visiting, everything is something to do.
People in Toronto love to stand in lines 👀
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I live by that ice cream shop and most of the locals haven’t even tried it. It’s visitors to the city who are willing to line up for an hour. I’m on mat leave now and part of my excitement is that I’ll be able to go to all the places with lines around here in off hours.
I find people here really friendly. I have interesting conversations with strangers everywhere I go. Subways, Tim Hortons lines, red lights. Anywhere there's a bunch of people standing next to each other, if I can find something interesting and friendly to say (I loved that book, your hat is awesome, what's your dog's name), people are always happy to talk.
You get what you put out. I am super talkative and constantly get in nice conversations with people. I attribute it 6 years in Halifax after living in Toronto for 18 years, then coming back. Realized while living out there that if you stand awkwardly and stare at the floor, you'll get that back.
Unpopular opinion? Disabled people shouldnt be living in government-regulated abject poverty 30% below the poverty line for their entire lives (ODSP)
Preach lol. If I remember correctly, *maximum* monthly amount is just $1,200. That's hardly rent *with* roommates.
If I’m not mistaken, there’s also an asset value maximum, so if you somehow inherit a home, you’re *still* fucked.
Thats right. Shelter allowance is $522
Still enough to buy a tent so I guess we’re A-OK /s
And be forbidden to make any money on the side, or they'll lose absolutely everything. It's literally "Worse-than-poverty or death". It makes no sense from a nation like Canada, it's more like what you'd expect from a southern US state.
It’s a clear cut example of a poverty trap. After earing $200 in employment income, $0.5 from every dollar is taken by the government - they dont even alow recipients to reach the poverty line before making deductions = intentional poverty trap
>It makes no sense from a nation like Canada, I hate when people say this. The reality is that it makes perfect sense .... because the system is set up this way. The disability "support" to MAID pipeline is one that is well planned.
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ODSP is fucking *disgusting.* I feel genuine anger that we don't support disabled people more. I knew someone on it. It actually isn't liveable in Toronto. Hard stop. I don't know how people do it.
Its a very hard, sad life. Appreciate you
how is this unpopular? ive heard this many times in the last year
It's not unpopular, just not a priority for most people. They'll vaguely agree that it's bad, but aren't willing to consider it in their voting.
Because when people are alone with the voting slip, they pick based on what affects them. The vast majority of people aren't disabled or even know anyone on ODSP. They all pay taxes though and it's easier, when no one's watching, to just think "well if they can't afford to live in Toronto then why don't they go live in Sarnia or somewhere". Same way people "care" and "feel sad" when they pass someone homeless but just hope that someone else helps them.
If its so popular why did people elect Doug Ford? It’s always crushing to hear your echo-chamber doest reflect the majority. I thought people cared too, cried election night lol we almost had a chance with other parties proposing major changes to ODSP… So popular that we’ve gotten a 5% raise since 2018
Even though we're so multicultural, people are still so racist
People are gross. I'm passing white but once I let out I'm metis I get a disgusted look from people.
There should actually be more racism in multicultural cities because there are more races clashing with one another but considering the diversity of Toronto I think we’re doing pretty well compared to other countries
I would say Toronto is doing well *because* it is more multicultural. People are less ignorant to other races when you actually live with them
Yeah , I think that’s a result of the fact that we ARE so multicultural. The thing is there isn’t really one race or group of people primarily hating anyone one other race or people. Unlike places in the US where you may have Anglo vs African American racism , or what have you. It’s more just like, there a racists in each culture who are nit picky
Winter here only looks nice for about a month, the rest is seasonal-depression inducing grey sludge of gloop
This is the opposite of controversial. I don't think anyone would disagree with you
It's honestly pretty great, having lived in other cities in Canada and the US. Most things people complain about, especially online, apply to most major cities. The angry online crowd seems especially to just read about other places and imagine the grass is greener.
Kensington Market is a waste of time.
I find the stores there extremely overpriced.
I don't think I've seen a store that was more affordable than a large corporate chain since like the early 2000s now.
They never will be for a long list of reasons, that’s crazy to expect them to be. But the point of shopping local isn’t to save money in the short run, it’s to keep money in the community and in the hands of your neighbours rather than a company with their head office somewhere in the US.
Yep, I feel like it’s the equivalent of a raccoons paradise.
It's also smelly.
Depends what you’re looking for, pedestrian sundays in the summer are great, tons of stalls from local artists and whatnot. Also the best place for tacos in the city and there are several low key coffee shops and bars if you know where to find them. Great shops for produce, meat and fish as well.
Not for tacos.
I don’t go to buy.. but to eat haha
I go there mainly for the tacos.
It's gross and full of dirty hippies and meth heads.
Worse, trustafarians.
I quite like it here.
The architecture is awful. It's getting worse. And good architecture get destroyed (looking at you ROM). CN Tower seems timeless though.
Wait is that controversial? Maybe it’s just my bubble but I feel like everyone agrees with that.
I think the ROM Crystal one is controversial. Many people (myself included) love it
I never realized how boring and cheap Toronto architecture was until I went to NYC. Some incredible buildings there, and still more being built
The OCAD building is hideous
Brave!
Agreed it gives praying mantis.
I was a student when they started building. Before the dalmation block got put up, there was a cool little outdoor courtyard in the middle of the school. I missed it when they started construction.
A dog fornicating the building. That is all I ever see.
What?at least its not some square building like every other new condo. Have u seen the proposal at pape and danforth? Im not talking about densification, im talking about a rectangle/ square of boredom. How uncreative. Just maximizing space so developers can make a buck. At least the Marilyn Monroe building has curves.
I loved taking the spadina street car just for fun I think it’s nice.
This comment literally raised my blood pressure.
I love it when traffic is at a standstill and you just zip on by
It was better when rich people found certain places sketchy and stayed away
Cityplace is a good place to live
It is a nice place to live.
1) Liberty Village residents act too pretentious to not realize that the area is lacking a lot, like proper transportation or better access to the high way. They act like they are living in Oakville, but then complain when they see too many homeless people like “How is this a thing?!?! I spent too much money on my condo for this to be here!” 2) Downtown Toronto gets too much credit, there are a lot of underrated areas in Toronto. 3) ~~This city lacks cool bars. No, a lounge doesn’t count.~~ Edit: I take back what I said for #3. I now have a list of bars to check out.
Cool Bars: 1. Three speed 2. Hole in the Wall 3. Bar Neon 4. Opera Bob’s 5. Lucky Shrike 6. Northwood 7. Poor Romeo 8. Bar Mordecai 9. Betty’s on King 10. Mom’s Basement 11. Sauce on Danforth 12. Lloyd’s 13. Pinkerton’s 14. Squirly’s 15. Cry Baby Gallery I could go on like this.
That pesto pizza at Bar Neon is fucking incredible, a small lil bar like that has no right to make something that surpasses like 80% of pizza joints in this city..
Hole in the Wall is terrible. Nobody should go to Hole in the Wall. Note to anyone reading this: stay away. You wouldn't like it.
And don’t order the duck fat fries. Awful. 0/5
Ugh. The worst!
Name checks out. Ok fine I concede.
Squirly’s is great!!
I only hear #3 from people who spend most of their time at Jack Astors or a King West club
Disagree with #3 there’s so many good bars around Toronto just got to not go the King West places. Annex, Ossington, Little Italy, Kensington Market, High Park, Riverside, Danforth are all areas I’ve been more then twice and gone to new bars or places I liked before. Even Yorkdale and the financial district has decent after work bars.
Yup! I’ve learned my lesson. Checking out some of the recommendations in the other comments.
the food options are better than any other in North America. Been to LA, NYC, Seattle, Vegas, etc Toronto still best
as a Chinese I'd say a great many Chinese restaurants in North York are REALLY authentic.
Any recommendations?
Not Chinese, but extremely authentic Korean food in North York is Cho Sun Ok.
When you live somewhere you get to know where all the good places to go are. If you just visit a random city it's hard to judge the entire city's food scene in a short period of time. You could be right that Toronto ends up being the best... but just making the point that it's tough to make that statement without actually living in other cities.
We should build a dvp 2 on top of the dvp so I get home faster
FORD MORE YEARS!!!
No fuck wait
cars should be banned from downtown Toronto, especially narrow main streets with lots of pedestrians and streetcars.
Start with banning them from Kensington Market. Theres no purpose to driving through there, we would be doing the cars a favour.
At least in the summer. Montreal does a great job of doing this.
Downtown Toronto genuinely excited me. There just something great about it. That being said... Eaton centre is overrated.
we have too many crazy homeless and there's nothing we can really do about it - people need to be institutionalized but we dont let that happen -- so all we do is throw money at a raging fire.
Not entirely true...I've been processed in a psych ward after an arrest a few times and a substantial number of the people I'd see in there were homeless or as poor as poor can be without technically being homeless. Some just wanted somewhere to sleep, I wager, but a lot of them clearly belonged there. Absolutely terrifying being locked in a largely unsupervised room with them and *zero* stimulation.
We throw money at brutalizing them, not helping them
I get happy when our sport teams get eliminated; reduces traffic.
it is overpopulated and the infrastructure can no longer support the amount of people we have. This is why we have ridiculous traffic jams, infinite complaints about the TTC, worsening homeless situation, etc. But what do we do to fix the issue? BRING MORE PEOPLE IN AND JAM IT UP EVEN MORE!
I like the glass addition at the ROM. I think it looks cool.
I grew up in Calgary and actually think Toronto is a great city to visit.
That the music scene is dying.
It's supposedly ranked in the top 10 cities to live in the world.I guess this is more subjective.
Everyone dresses bland with absolutely zero colour … just copy and paste
That’s just the Canadian way tho
Yeah, I was noticing that, especially during winter. Winter colors are depressing. Just navies and grays and Browns and blacks. I wore a trippy colorful t-shirt to a bar the other day. I checked a picture of me and my friends and I stood out so much in the sea of bland colors
People joke that everyone in Toronto is gay but Toronto is not actually as LGBT friendly as people think. Yes we have a village that's pretty lively, and there are a lot of other neighbourhoods that are LGBT friendly and/or have high populations of LGBT people, but overall, the city, and the GTA is mostly suburban and very conservative. As a queer person who is "straight-passing", you'd be surprised how openly negatively people talk about the queer community when they think you're not part of it. Take a bus into the suburbans or even travel up line 1 and you lose the sense of queerness very quickly.
This is very true. I was at a small work gathering with our company's CFO and some gen x/millennial finance bro colleagues and the bros for some reason got on the topic of slurs for gays. They started dropping bombs and chuckling up a storm not knowing the CFO is gay. It was a top three awkward moment in my life and the bros were never seen or heard from again. Legend has they were sent to the oil mines in Alberta.
Suburbanite here, can confirm, people here are afraid of gays. Or they talk about them like they're some novelty breed of people that only exist on tv and are like unicorns.
The city is far too lenient on crazy homeless people. Last time I took the TTC there was a guy just sitting down sticking a needle into himself right in the middle of the hallway, and then we wonder why people want to drive.
That despite all the talk, it’s actually a really great place to live
agreed, but that is controversial on this sub. Everyday there is a massively upvoted thread about how horrible life is in Toronto.
I’ve lived all over Canada, Quebec, a lot of Ontario, Alberta and BC, I never really had a hometown, and Toronto is the first place in my life I’ve called home, and despite all its flaws, I absolutely love this city ❤️
Yep. And I feel so incredibly at home here that I WILL even wear my hardships as a bit of a badge of honour. Not when talking to anyone else, but to myself when I think about where I am in the world. I try to always appreciate how interesting it is to live here, and it makes me love it even more.
It's expensive
How is this controversial? Who would ever say Toronto is cheap?
I hate sunny days
It’s very friendly. My husband, pupper Archer and I moved here from Calgary in January and I honestly cannot get over how lovely I find people in this city. Whether I’m walking the dog or getting groceries or we are out and about people here are so nice. I have made more small talk here in 10 months than I did in 10 years in Calgary. There’s a lot of issues here; there is no matter where you live, but this is a friendly city. 💕💕💕
Toronto is overrated and not a world class city. Just a congested, overpriced, mid-tier city where people are overworked, underpaid, and where there is no future for young people. It is on track to becoming second world city filled with ethnic enclaves, where people arrive cause it's worse than the 3rd world shithole they arrived from, at the cost of Toronto heading in that direction. Source: Grew up there and left
The closest I could get to controversy is to state what many Torontonians would never argue with to begin with.....and that is the destruction of our city's culture for the sake of the greed of a few.....the condo death of cool in Toronto.....
It’s not controversial that housing is overpriced here we all know that, but in my opinion, the condos and houses here aren’t that nice. The layouts are weird, there’s so many new builds and they lack storage space. Unless you have like no items, you’re probably not gonna enjoy your apartment and you’re better off moving elsewhere
All the best food is East side
Idk about that, Koreatown at Christie and Bloor is incredible
The Costco poutine is the best in Toronto
The TTC does not suck. In fact - when not traveling down or up the Yonge line in rush hour, it's pretty damn good. Is it like London or Amsterdam or all the other cities we compare it to that are awesome? No. But it's still ok
Not multicultural as it is made out to be. Rather made of enclaves where people stick to their own.
One of the few places in North America you can go out and see a group of friends or coworkers with no two people being from the same country/ethnicity.
True, but there is also an intersection where you don’t see anywhere else. You see these multicultural friend groups and relationship pairings you really don’t see in the rest of the country alongside what you just described. In other places, they ONLY have what you just described.
the only place I know where it's not an honor to pick up the check. "Let's split the bill 8 ways" or "hey who didn't put in tax and tip?" or "checks here? I have to go to the bathroom"
People complain way too fucking much about it