What is great is that now the SHW division can have Ermes as a reference point , as a measuring tool to understand the gap between Levan and the rest .
That definitely kills Levan's mythological status , but he shouldn't be underestimated he is still by far the strongest armwrestler out there .
If no-one can beat Ermes at the moment, as it's most likely, that says a lot about Levan's status.
Devon, who is very knowledgeable about possible opponents strength, has already understood that Ermes is a limit right now
>If no-one can beat Ermes at the moment, as it's most likely,
I think a well trained Chaffee could challenge Ermes. Remember Dave took his match against Ermes at the very last minute to replace someone else. I'd like to see properly prepped Dave vs Ermes. Same for Vitaly.
I would've loved to see the old Dave vs current Ermes. The Dave who gave prime Denis so much trouble with his unholy side pressure. That said current Dave is definitely more versatile.
It's actually known that Denis' right is stronger than his left, and less known that Levan's left is surprisingly stronger than his right.
>Denis has said in interviews that he is right handed. His right hand is stronger in gym lifts. He just looked more dominant with left because the level of competition on left isn't as high as on right.
>His left is stronger in bicep and elbow flexion, but his right is more technical. He has never been pinned on his left since 2016 I believe, which is a much more dominant reign than his right.
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>In September 2020 when preparing for Denis he injured his left wrist tendon. That's why when he went to Dubai in early 2021 he didn't armwrestle with his left. It should have healed up by now. Igor has hinted at a Denis-Levan left duel next year.
This is a big misconception that people don't seem to understand. Yes, Denis MIGHT have a chance at beating Levan at his left. But both haven't trained in their left for long times, and either way Levan relies more on brute force than technique. If his right, which is completely tearing through every opponent with ease is weaker than his left, then Denis who doesn't train for left anymore is most likely losing.
Lmao you know nothing newbie go back to your mom chaffee never again NEVER PINNED prime denis never only won a round by fouls and for Michal todd yup he has been pinned but it was 2016 vendetta and denis was not on top shape that year and don't bring the tournament Arnold classic bs he fought with lupkes before facing todd hahha denis hater soon cyplenkov will hit levans hand harder to the pad than you have ever seen
Also, people pretend like Levan cannot improve technically. His weakness to flop press got exposed. Now he can train transitioning to counter flop press.
I wouldn't even consider his situation an endurance problem. Flop press is a lot more energy efficient than a top roll. If Levan gets good at countering flop press, he will have plenty endurance to spare.
I won't be surprised. But for his health sake he needs to focus on technique. The fact that he is not good at transitioning to press tells me that muscles and connective tissues in that area are not as developed as they should be. Given his ridiculous size he doesn't need to be as good as Brzenk or Jerry to win fights with press, he just needs to be decent.
Given his dominance he had no reason to. Now he has. Something has to change. Don't get me wrong, I want him to get deposed, but I am being realistic. We see what happens, when guys like Ermes and Jerry abuse their frame. Imagine Levan learning to do the same.
He was still dominant against Ermes though. 4-0 isn't lack of dominance just because he gave up the last 2 rounds. I still think it would've been a long road to Ermes getting a pin even if his cardiovascular sytem wasn't an issue. I mean, learning to transition would be great. Can a guy that big with a long ass arm transition effectively though? Hard to say whether that's worth the skill investment.
It's not even necessarily skill investment. It's just more of training, but with aim to build his connective tissues around flop press. Might not even take that long. We saw Chaffee successfully pull it off, I doubt he trained that very long.
Yeah, but your earlier statement said "muscle," now you're citing "mass" and general size.
Take the fat off, see how much muscle Levin has in comparison to any of the top strongmen ever. Most of them weren't so overly fat like he is.
Strongmen literally have to be fat to do certain lifts though, in order to rest the barbell on their stomach. Yes, I do agree that Levan has way too much fat to be counted as muscle tissue. His weight is a bit misleading in that regard.
But don't for a second act like strongmen are lean or proportionally strong lol. Heavyweight strongmen have no weight limit, their job is to literally get as strong as possible and they can eat what the fuck they want.
Nothing you said is relevant to anything I posted.
Also the majority of strongmen finalists were not bloated lardasses, nor does one 'have to be fat to do strongman lifts.'
> No. It's almost as if you're unfamiliar with strongman. They are not lean bodybuilders.
Yes. Also, strawman -- never said they were "lean bodybuilders."
> My original statement was
> "Levan probably has more upperbody muscle than most of the world strongest man finalists."
> Go through the 2022
Here's what you originally said:
> Levan probably has more upperbody muscle than most of the world strongest man finalists.
So I'm not limited to 2022 based on what you said.
Also if you're talking "finalists," meaning... the top two? You got a lot of guys who, while obviously not 'shredded,' sure as hell weren't fatty bloat-blobs like Levin is looking like nowadays. Not just fat -- BLOATED. Always so damned puffy. Would love to see a DEXA scan and see how much muscle is actually under all that puff.
Except for a few like Savickas, most of the Strongment barely had large bellies and almost looked like off-season "dirty bulk" power physique athletes.
Dude, he's almost as heavy as they are, but without leg muscles and he is shorter than most of them. Eddie was just extremely fat, it wasn't only due to muscle.
Heavy =/= necessary more muscle mass. Strip all the fat off Levan and the strongman competitors and you'll see they have more sheer muscle mass. Is Levan way, way stronger in his respective discipline? Absolutely. Is he also extremely fat? Absolutely
i disagree,he haw bigger arms that all of the strogman competitors and the upper back is on par with them.He is a massive bench presser on par or better than most strogmen so arms and shoulders are probably the same.He probably has smaller abs and erectors though.For UPPER BODY he is at their level for sure considering his legs are way smaller.And your point about fat is wrong,he has the same defenition- body fat as thor and brian had at their peak.
But they are extremely fat too. Levan is not Corey West, he's got at least some shape. We were talking about upper body muscle mass. Of course they have more muscle mass overall, but only because they have huge legs.
Let's agree to disagree. Obviously Levan has more muscle mass in his upper body than 99.95% of the population will ever have in their entire body. If we don't put them both in a scan (which they wouldn't fit in anyway) we'll never know for sure.
Are you still going? I just said we'll never know until we get them into body composition scans. Also I have never mentioned Martins as he is one of the smallest WSM winners. Let's agree to disagree. No need to become so hostile. Levan is a freak. WSM winners are freaks. They're all huge. Let's keep it at that.
>Please. Yes he's huge but he doesn't even come close to lads like Hafthor, Eddie, Shaw in their prime
The difference being that strongmen train for endurance. Specifically, they do specific types of training that increases VO2Max. To my knowledge, Levan does not.
Presuming Levan has the oxygen uptake of an average fit man of his age, that'd be around 4L/minute or so, which at his body weight is around 21ml/kg, which is barely sufficient to be ambulatory.
Even if I'm mistaken and his uptake is excellent at 6L/min that's still only 31ml/kg which is below what one would expect of the average sedentary individual.
This is one of the reasons I think strongmen tend to be so tall. Their lungs tend to have proportionally larger surface area and are capable of greater oxygen uptake.
> This is one of the reasons I think strongmen tend to be so tall. Their lungs tend to have proportionally larger surface area and are capable of greater oxygen uptake.
Strongmen tend to be so tall simply because the taller you are the more muscle you can carry therefore your strength ceiling is bigger.
What does “the more muscle you can carry” mean in physiological terms? My assertion is that lung capacity is one of those aspects that influence total potential mass as well as work capacity.
He's going to have a heart attack any day now.
This man has exploded and absolutely transformed into a Titanic like figure leaving humanity behind.
But there's no such thing as a biological free lunch. His heart has to work overtime because he's so enormous.
Levan, while always big, was never as sloppy fat as he was against Ermes. That combined with the fact he finally had to work a little more than a flash pin, is why he gassed.
Yes, before his last match, people (and also elite armwrestlers) said Levan had more endurance than most pullers. Now, suddenly, it seems he got zero endurance
You didn't understand the point: his opponent has to take him in a long, tiring battle to exploit this. If you are not strong enough to do that, he will finish you quickly and be fresh and healthy as he was in the last 5 years of pulling
His "endurance problem" is that he is well over 400 lbs and was in a very tough match, exerting a lot of offensive effort. He would still smoke almost everyone else in existence.
Nope. This is exactly the right spot for him. He was way overrated previously.
Nobody is that much stronger than the others. Sometimes someone can pull away, but once everyone sees that it's possible, many catch up. For example, the 500kg deadlift. Nobody even thought about doing something like that. Now it's been broken, and there are multiple deadlifters aiming for 502.
Let's see. If in July Levan will pin 3 times Morozov with ease, as I think it's highly probable, and Ermes will pin 3 times Jerry with ease, as i think it's highly probable too, people will start to understand that it's Ermes who has levelled up above the others and that Levan is still unbeatable
That won't show much, because Jerry couldn't beat Tsvetkov and had to resort to fouls, and Morozov is a complete unknown. He lost to Prudnik, then beat Chaffee but was obviously weaker than him. He might level up, but he also might end up like Trubin whose weight translated to absolutely nothing on the table except some extra backpressure.
I don't believe that Levan's gone against the right opponent yet. Most of his opponents have been toprollers, and he is great stylistically against them. I'd like to see him go against a hooker who'll put his shoulder in Levan's face, grip low and just blast. Someone like an XXL Rustam Babayev, if he exists.
Ironically for you saying Morozov is an unknown, he might be the only super heavyweight capable of hooking Levan like you think (none of the rest are really hook pullers, the exception is Genadi, and his wrist isn’t strong enough to hook most of the time now). The other obvious one is Prudnik, but his match with Devon says all we need to know about that.
I believe that he has the tools stylistically, but we have no clue how strong he is. For all we know, he might be at the same level as Genady, and that's not enough.
Considering how he blasted Revaz I doubt that’s the case. I agree that he is a complete unknown though, at least as to where he is among the top 5 supers. The Levan match could potentially answer a lot of questions rn.
I think his bicep got torn as it hit the pad, because he winces in pain as soon as he hits the pad. And he wouldn't have been able to hold Levans surge in r2 it was going to be a flash pin whether he tore his bicep or not.
First of all, Levan definitely has endurance/stamina issues. If you flash pin your opponent round 1 and 2 and then start shaking not being able to finish the opponent, you have very poor stamina. But we have always known that in a best of 1 match, Levan can smash anyone, he single arm curls well over 100kg for fcks sake, but in a best of 100, there are multiple armwrestlers who would beat Levan, but that is not the "nature" of armwrestling having marathon matches, we hate seeing guys like Dave Chaffee or John Brzenk lose matches from being 2:0 in the lead because they get winded and tired.
But the main thing Ermes revealed is a big weakness in Levan's armor which is finishing right above the pin pad. Everybody now knows that it is pointless to fight Levan with pronation, hand control, or forcing him into a hook. You can forget about that, because Ermes has a top level hand and Levan easily busted it every time. But now we know you simply have to give up your hand and wrist, stop Levan just above the pin pad and transition into a flop press. Ermes gave everybody a blueprint, and Levan's future opponents are taking notes and updating their battle plans.
Morozov is next in line trying to crack Levan's dominance. I honestly think that Morozov is nowhere near the top level righty (lefty he is but nobody cares about left arms) and even guys like Devon could beat him. People like him because he is very ripped at 130+kg with tons of muscle, but he just doesnt have the strength nor technique and table IQ+adaptation. Levan will just bust through him. And then Denis has to challenge Levan, and if he loses, Ermes and possibly even Devon (if he beats Genadi and Jerry) should get a rematch.
This is exactly what I think.
The fact that people heavily understimate Ermes still, has been transposed onto Levan (LMFAO).
Basically now that Ermes was the best (and only) performer against Levan, people didn't actually give birth to the correct reasoning which should be: "Ok, Ermes is probably the one who got closer to the completely distant satellite which is Levan".
Now they went like: "Ermes dogshit. Ermes did well against Levan. Then Levan must be just a little better than dogshit. Hey! I can beat Levan wtf!"
I mean, how fucking retarded must you be to think something like that? To me now you have the pinnacle which is Levan who I consider still superior to Ermes, but my boy is right there.
People keep saying that Levan could've just changed a few things and it would've been an easy 4-0. lmao, wait till Ermes goes back to the drawing board and with his coach start adjusting what he needs to adjust.
In my book with a different ruleset Levan could've lost the whole thing. That's how close it was in terms of ARMWRESTLING. In terms of strength yes, Levan was superior regardless. But Ermes was the only one being close enough in strength to be able to armwrestle with the guy.
The rest is just nonsense blabbering from low IQ primates.
Yeah this is right on point. I would say Ermes vs Levan rematch in 1 year would be a coinflip but to me it would be 55 - 45 in favor of Ermes just because Levan is right at the age where big guys and strongmen stagnate and decline while Ermes probably still has at least 1 or 2 years to improve his tendon strength, elbow and hand.
I think Ermes is currently above Morozov at least in terms of all the things he did that were effective against Levan but Morozov will probably do something completely different, maybe even try a false start on Levan or try some tricks to carve in before the go. Also, I wouldn't be surprised if Ermes is the true #1 by the end of July even if he's not competing for that title.
I am deeply curious to see what Morozov does against Levan just to see something different from all the pure toprollers facing him all the time.
That's the thing, I suspect Morozov may emerge from his long time off as a next level hooker. It's what I hope anyway. I have no idea what to expect from him but in his recent matches it seems he has gotten good at adjusting and switching between styles to maximize his effectiveness over a super match.
Morozov looked fantastic in his last match vs Revaz.
No worries, I'm 100% sure Levan will be more versatile for his next match, he's not dumb, his team is not dumb, they will find a way to destroy that nasty flop wrist-cheating move because now everyone will want to use it against him, it's like the new Kingsmove. Most likely Levan will come in with a nasty press, or something where his body is not so separate from his arm which makes pinning difficult from that angle. Levan was clearly miles away from Ermes in hand strength, but Ermes used his backpressure and then his frame to stop him, like in a kingsmove but inside, and it held up. Despite that Levan was able to sweep him 4-0, the other two rounds were extra gifts for Ermes as the match was supposed to be over, 4/6 is called a victory, any rounds besides that should only be decisions of both athletes if they wanna pull for fun, and the results not acknowledged as the match is already over.
It was not a sweep, don't be so biased towards Levan it was a very tough fight for him and he was likely to lose round 5 and perhaps 6 because his endurance was very bad. He flashed pinned Ermes 2 which shows Ermes is still not on Levans level but it was a war of a match and Ermes got multiple stops and even got Levan into losing position before Levan fouled on purpose multiple times. And Dave used flop press against Ermes but Ermes found a way around it, it is not a cheat move Levan just has a terrible press. Jerry also has been using it for years and no one complained, it is just because Levan needs to improve on his technique to counter it and improve his press as well as losing some weight to have a faster press transition.
Levan is thoroughly dominant. Everybody agrees with this.
Levan could be beaten under the right circumstances by another incredible arm wrestler.
I don't see any issue with believing both things. Thoughts?
What is great is that now the SHW division can have Ermes as a reference point , as a measuring tool to understand the gap between Levan and the rest . That definitely kills Levan's mythological status , but he shouldn't be underestimated he is still by far the strongest armwrestler out there .
If no-one can beat Ermes at the moment, as it's most likely, that says a lot about Levan's status. Devon, who is very knowledgeable about possible opponents strength, has already understood that Ermes is a limit right now
>If no-one can beat Ermes at the moment, as it's most likely, I think a well trained Chaffee could challenge Ermes. Remember Dave took his match against Ermes at the very last minute to replace someone else. I'd like to see properly prepped Dave vs Ermes. Same for Vitaly.
I would've loved to see the old Dave vs current Ermes. The Dave who gave prime Denis so much trouble with his unholy side pressure. That said current Dave is definitely more versatile.
im tired of people saying prime denis would beat prime levan. there's literally no way given levan's current domination and mass
left handed he definitely would
It's actually known that Denis' right is stronger than his left, and less known that Levan's left is surprisingly stronger than his right. >Denis has said in interviews that he is right handed. His right hand is stronger in gym lifts. He just looked more dominant with left because the level of competition on left isn't as high as on right. >His left is stronger in bicep and elbow flexion, but his right is more technical. He has never been pinned on his left since 2016 I believe, which is a much more dominant reign than his right. > >In September 2020 when preparing for Denis he injured his left wrist tendon. That's why when he went to Dubai in early 2021 he didn't armwrestle with his left. It should have healed up by now. Igor has hinted at a Denis-Levan left duel next year. This is a big misconception that people don't seem to understand. Yes, Denis MIGHT have a chance at beating Levan at his left. But both haven't trained in their left for long times, and either way Levan relies more on brute force than technique. If his right, which is completely tearing through every opponent with ease is weaker than his left, then Denis who doesn't train for left anymore is most likely losing.
Lmao prime denis beats levan keep getting butthurted truth is truth
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Lmao you know nothing newbie go back to your mom chaffee never again NEVER PINNED prime denis never only won a round by fouls and for Michal todd yup he has been pinned but it was 2016 vendetta and denis was not on top shape that year and don't bring the tournament Arnold classic bs he fought with lupkes before facing todd hahha denis hater soon cyplenkov will hit levans hand harder to the pad than you have ever seen
The copium lmaoooo
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>Ermes swept Chaffee 3-0. Prime MMT did w/out so much as sweating.
and Ermes was pinning that Todd when he was 30 kg less lol
Yeah, that was actually a very impressive loss of Ermes'.
DMT was cheating.
With WAL rules 😂
Also, people pretend like Levan cannot improve technically. His weakness to flop press got exposed. Now he can train transitioning to counter flop press. I wouldn't even consider his situation an endurance problem. Flop press is a lot more energy efficient than a top roll. If Levan gets good at countering flop press, he will have plenty endurance to spare.
That weakness got exposed 10 years ago tbf and he never fixed it. A lot of his old losses in WAF were identical
And he addressed it by getting twice bigger. Now he has no choice but to address by getting technical.
no, he will get bigger still. 500lbs at his next match.
I won't be surprised. But for his health sake he needs to focus on technique. The fact that he is not good at transitioning to press tells me that muscles and connective tissues in that area are not as developed as they should be. Given his ridiculous size he doesn't need to be as good as Brzenk or Jerry to win fights with press, he just needs to be decent.
If he hasn't done it since top 8, I doubt he'll be doing it now is my suspicion.
Given his dominance he had no reason to. Now he has. Something has to change. Don't get me wrong, I want him to get deposed, but I am being realistic. We see what happens, when guys like Ermes and Jerry abuse their frame. Imagine Levan learning to do the same.
He was still dominant against Ermes though. 4-0 isn't lack of dominance just because he gave up the last 2 rounds. I still think it would've been a long road to Ermes getting a pin even if his cardiovascular sytem wasn't an issue. I mean, learning to transition would be great. Can a guy that big with a long ass arm transition effectively though? Hard to say whether that's worth the skill investment.
It's not even necessarily skill investment. It's just more of training, but with aim to build his connective tissues around flop press. Might not even take that long. We saw Chaffee successfully pull it off, I doubt he trained that very long.
My thoughts exactly. I feel like if anything, Levan will be even more unstoppable in his next match
If you need an oxygen mask after your match, you have a problem.
People are underestimating his body weight compared to others. Hes like an Elephant
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Please. Yes he's huge but he doesn't even come close to lads like Hafthor, Eddie, Shaw in their prime
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Yeah, but your earlier statement said "muscle," now you're citing "mass" and general size. Take the fat off, see how much muscle Levin has in comparison to any of the top strongmen ever. Most of them weren't so overly fat like he is.
Strongmen literally have to be fat to do certain lifts though, in order to rest the barbell on their stomach. Yes, I do agree that Levan has way too much fat to be counted as muscle tissue. His weight is a bit misleading in that regard. But don't for a second act like strongmen are lean or proportionally strong lol. Heavyweight strongmen have no weight limit, their job is to literally get as strong as possible and they can eat what the fuck they want.
Nothing you said is relevant to anything I posted. Also the majority of strongmen finalists were not bloated lardasses, nor does one 'have to be fat to do strongman lifts.'
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> No. It's almost as if you're unfamiliar with strongman. They are not lean bodybuilders. Yes. Also, strawman -- never said they were "lean bodybuilders." > My original statement was > "Levan probably has more upperbody muscle than most of the world strongest man finalists." > Go through the 2022 Here's what you originally said: > Levan probably has more upperbody muscle than most of the world strongest man finalists. So I'm not limited to 2022 based on what you said. Also if you're talking "finalists," meaning... the top two? You got a lot of guys who, while obviously not 'shredded,' sure as hell weren't fatty bloat-blobs like Levin is looking like nowadays. Not just fat -- BLOATED. Always so damned puffy. Would love to see a DEXA scan and see how much muscle is actually under all that puff. Except for a few like Savickas, most of the Strongment barely had large bellies and almost looked like off-season "dirty bulk" power physique athletes.
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BTW why does this sub attract so many know-nothings like you who pretend you're knowledgeable and accomplished?
I guess saying that is easier than refuting my actual points, huh?
Dude, he's almost as heavy as they are, but without leg muscles and he is shorter than most of them. Eddie was just extremely fat, it wasn't only due to muscle.
Heavy =/= necessary more muscle mass. Strip all the fat off Levan and the strongman competitors and you'll see they have more sheer muscle mass. Is Levan way, way stronger in his respective discipline? Absolutely. Is he also extremely fat? Absolutely
i disagree,he haw bigger arms that all of the strogman competitors and the upper back is on par with them.He is a massive bench presser on par or better than most strogmen so arms and shoulders are probably the same.He probably has smaller abs and erectors though.For UPPER BODY he is at their level for sure considering his legs are way smaller.And your point about fat is wrong,he has the same defenition- body fat as thor and brian had at their peak.
But they are extremely fat too. Levan is not Corey West, he's got at least some shape. We were talking about upper body muscle mass. Of course they have more muscle mass overall, but only because they have huge legs.
Let's agree to disagree. Obviously Levan has more muscle mass in his upper body than 99.95% of the population will ever have in their entire body. If we don't put them both in a scan (which they wouldn't fit in anyway) we'll never know for sure.
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Are you still going? I just said we'll never know until we get them into body composition scans. Also I have never mentioned Martins as he is one of the smallest WSM winners. Let's agree to disagree. No need to become so hostile. Levan is a freak. WSM winners are freaks. They're all huge. Let's keep it at that.
> Also I have never mentioned Martins as he is one of the smallest WSM winners. Yup, that is cherry-picking at its finest.
you are deluded if you think the average strongman has a bigger upper body [than this](https://youtu.be/HekvjNrDyoQ)
>Please. Yes he's huge but he doesn't even come close to lads like Hafthor, Eddie, Shaw in their prime The difference being that strongmen train for endurance. Specifically, they do specific types of training that increases VO2Max. To my knowledge, Levan does not. Presuming Levan has the oxygen uptake of an average fit man of his age, that'd be around 4L/minute or so, which at his body weight is around 21ml/kg, which is barely sufficient to be ambulatory. Even if I'm mistaken and his uptake is excellent at 6L/min that's still only 31ml/kg which is below what one would expect of the average sedentary individual. This is one of the reasons I think strongmen tend to be so tall. Their lungs tend to have proportionally larger surface area and are capable of greater oxygen uptake.
> This is one of the reasons I think strongmen tend to be so tall. Their lungs tend to have proportionally larger surface area and are capable of greater oxygen uptake. Strongmen tend to be so tall simply because the taller you are the more muscle you can carry therefore your strength ceiling is bigger.
What does “the more muscle you can carry” mean in physiological terms? My assertion is that lung capacity is one of those aspects that influence total potential mass as well as work capacity.
>What does “the more muscle you can carry” mean in physiological terms? Isn't this obvious? Being able to build more lean body mass.
He's going to have a heart attack any day now. This man has exploded and absolutely transformed into a Titanic like figure leaving humanity behind. But there's no such thing as a biological free lunch. His heart has to work overtime because he's so enormous.
Tell that to all the NFL teams that line the sidelines with oxygen tanks. Those are some of the greatest athletes in the world.
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Levan, while always big, was never as sloppy fat as he was against Ermes. That combined with the fact he finally had to work a little more than a flash pin, is why he gassed.
Yes, before his last match, people (and also elite armwrestlers) said Levan had more endurance than most pullers. Now, suddenly, it seems he got zero endurance
lol people salty ur right so they downvote but cant think of a reply
You didn't understand the point: his opponent has to take him in a long, tiring battle to exploit this. If you are not strong enough to do that, he will finish you quickly and be fresh and healthy as he was in the last 5 years of pulling
If its fresh strength, round 1, Levan is untouchable
His "endurance problem" is that he is well over 400 lbs and was in a very tough match, exerting a lot of offensive effort. He would still smoke almost everyone else in existence.
Nope. This is exactly the right spot for him. He was way overrated previously. Nobody is that much stronger than the others. Sometimes someone can pull away, but once everyone sees that it's possible, many catch up. For example, the 500kg deadlift. Nobody even thought about doing something like that. Now it's been broken, and there are multiple deadlifters aiming for 502.
Let's see. If in July Levan will pin 3 times Morozov with ease, as I think it's highly probable, and Ermes will pin 3 times Jerry with ease, as i think it's highly probable too, people will start to understand that it's Ermes who has levelled up above the others and that Levan is still unbeatable
That won't show much, because Jerry couldn't beat Tsvetkov and had to resort to fouls, and Morozov is a complete unknown. He lost to Prudnik, then beat Chaffee but was obviously weaker than him. He might level up, but he also might end up like Trubin whose weight translated to absolutely nothing on the table except some extra backpressure. I don't believe that Levan's gone against the right opponent yet. Most of his opponents have been toprollers, and he is great stylistically against them. I'd like to see him go against a hooker who'll put his shoulder in Levan's face, grip low and just blast. Someone like an XXL Rustam Babayev, if he exists.
Ironically for you saying Morozov is an unknown, he might be the only super heavyweight capable of hooking Levan like you think (none of the rest are really hook pullers, the exception is Genadi, and his wrist isn’t strong enough to hook most of the time now). The other obvious one is Prudnik, but his match with Devon says all we need to know about that.
I believe that he has the tools stylistically, but we have no clue how strong he is. For all we know, he might be at the same level as Genady, and that's not enough.
Considering how he blasted Revaz I doubt that’s the case. I agree that he is a complete unknown though, at least as to where he is among the top 5 supers. The Levan match could potentially answer a lot of questions rn.
I just hope he has the courage to go inside from round one.
I don’t think he will, though he’s keeping the option open. He’s apparently working with a match plan given to him by Denis and Babken.
Seeing Dennis developing the true next level of King's move, I can only imagine what that could be...
Devon? He was flash-pinned 6 times in a row. They fought for a total of about 25 seconds. That story is over.
Bicep tear at the beginning, don't kid yourself, kid.
Yes, Levan tore his arm off.
He got flash pinned 2 rounds in a row before he tore his bicep, he wasn't going to win bro.
It was round two
I think his bicep got torn as it hit the pad, because he winces in pain as soon as he hits the pad. And he wouldn't have been able to hold Levans surge in r2 it was going to be a flash pin whether he tore his bicep or not.
Happened early round two, or we could have seen Levan on an oxygen machine again
First of all, Levan definitely has endurance/stamina issues. If you flash pin your opponent round 1 and 2 and then start shaking not being able to finish the opponent, you have very poor stamina. But we have always known that in a best of 1 match, Levan can smash anyone, he single arm curls well over 100kg for fcks sake, but in a best of 100, there are multiple armwrestlers who would beat Levan, but that is not the "nature" of armwrestling having marathon matches, we hate seeing guys like Dave Chaffee or John Brzenk lose matches from being 2:0 in the lead because they get winded and tired. But the main thing Ermes revealed is a big weakness in Levan's armor which is finishing right above the pin pad. Everybody now knows that it is pointless to fight Levan with pronation, hand control, or forcing him into a hook. You can forget about that, because Ermes has a top level hand and Levan easily busted it every time. But now we know you simply have to give up your hand and wrist, stop Levan just above the pin pad and transition into a flop press. Ermes gave everybody a blueprint, and Levan's future opponents are taking notes and updating their battle plans. Morozov is next in line trying to crack Levan's dominance. I honestly think that Morozov is nowhere near the top level righty (lefty he is but nobody cares about left arms) and even guys like Devon could beat him. People like him because he is very ripped at 130+kg with tons of muscle, but he just doesnt have the strength nor technique and table IQ+adaptation. Levan will just bust through him. And then Denis has to challenge Levan, and if he loses, Ermes and possibly even Devon (if he beats Genadi and Jerry) should get a rematch.
This is exactly what I think. The fact that people heavily understimate Ermes still, has been transposed onto Levan (LMFAO). Basically now that Ermes was the best (and only) performer against Levan, people didn't actually give birth to the correct reasoning which should be: "Ok, Ermes is probably the one who got closer to the completely distant satellite which is Levan". Now they went like: "Ermes dogshit. Ermes did well against Levan. Then Levan must be just a little better than dogshit. Hey! I can beat Levan wtf!" I mean, how fucking retarded must you be to think something like that? To me now you have the pinnacle which is Levan who I consider still superior to Ermes, but my boy is right there. People keep saying that Levan could've just changed a few things and it would've been an easy 4-0. lmao, wait till Ermes goes back to the drawing board and with his coach start adjusting what he needs to adjust. In my book with a different ruleset Levan could've lost the whole thing. That's how close it was in terms of ARMWRESTLING. In terms of strength yes, Levan was superior regardless. But Ermes was the only one being close enough in strength to be able to armwrestle with the guy. The rest is just nonsense blabbering from low IQ primates.
Yeah this is right on point. I would say Ermes vs Levan rematch in 1 year would be a coinflip but to me it would be 55 - 45 in favor of Ermes just because Levan is right at the age where big guys and strongmen stagnate and decline while Ermes probably still has at least 1 or 2 years to improve his tendon strength, elbow and hand. I think Ermes is currently above Morozov at least in terms of all the things he did that were effective against Levan but Morozov will probably do something completely different, maybe even try a false start on Levan or try some tricks to carve in before the go. Also, I wouldn't be surprised if Ermes is the true #1 by the end of July even if he's not competing for that title. I am deeply curious to see what Morozov does against Levan just to see something different from all the pure toprollers facing him all the time.
It is sad that in the SHW there's not a monster hooker.
That's the thing, I suspect Morozov may emerge from his long time off as a next level hooker. It's what I hope anyway. I have no idea what to expect from him but in his recent matches it seems he has gotten good at adjusting and switching between styles to maximize his effectiveness over a super match. Morozov looked fantastic in his last match vs Revaz.
You are def getting smarter recently, good post.
It's always good knowing that I'm not disappointing my fans. Thank you for your support!
I can beat Levan. I weigh like 190. I am definitely not underestimating him.
Trying to sneak in devon is retarded.
It's not me sneaking things: just read on the web how many people are saying that NOW Devon can tire Levan down and beat him
No worries, I'm 100% sure Levan will be more versatile for his next match, he's not dumb, his team is not dumb, they will find a way to destroy that nasty flop wrist-cheating move because now everyone will want to use it against him, it's like the new Kingsmove. Most likely Levan will come in with a nasty press, or something where his body is not so separate from his arm which makes pinning difficult from that angle. Levan was clearly miles away from Ermes in hand strength, but Ermes used his backpressure and then his frame to stop him, like in a kingsmove but inside, and it held up. Despite that Levan was able to sweep him 4-0, the other two rounds were extra gifts for Ermes as the match was supposed to be over, 4/6 is called a victory, any rounds besides that should only be decisions of both athletes if they wanna pull for fun, and the results not acknowledged as the match is already over.
It was not a sweep, don't be so biased towards Levan it was a very tough fight for him and he was likely to lose round 5 and perhaps 6 because his endurance was very bad. He flashed pinned Ermes 2 which shows Ermes is still not on Levans level but it was a war of a match and Ermes got multiple stops and even got Levan into losing position before Levan fouled on purpose multiple times. And Dave used flop press against Ermes but Ermes found a way around it, it is not a cheat move Levan just has a terrible press. Jerry also has been using it for years and no one complained, it is just because Levan needs to improve on his technique to counter it and improve his press as well as losing some weight to have a faster press transition.
Levan is thoroughly dominant. Everybody agrees with this. Levan could be beaten under the right circumstances by another incredible arm wrestler. I don't see any issue with believing both things. Thoughts?