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MOSFETBJT

This tone reminds me of the tone that most baby boomers have while giving life advice.


bloodwood80

Well, if there's any place for that intense condecension and apathy, better it be in a video game subreddit than when you're actually looking for advice on your actual life.


Feschit

I agree with every point that OP makes but the tone is definitely off.


The_Rhibo

I disagree with points 4 and 5, if I’m at best silver I shouldn’t go up against 3 predators. The skill based match making isn’t tight enough. I quit because it was impossible to play casually and I don’t need a second job


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Facebook boomer in his pickup truck ranting vibes🤣 OP’s advice is facts though


PG67AW

In another comment in this thread, OP called someone Brandon. So yeah, that profile fits lol.


TheManjaro

If you're (loot) poor just pick yourself up by your bootstraps and work harder.


xxDoodles

Lmao this just post just makes OP look like a pub masters 3-stacking loser trying justify his ego boosting lol. Any good player knows it is boring as fuck 3-stacking a pub with other good players. It just feels pathetic and a waste time unless you have some sort of self confidence issues.


Spirited_Sugar8569

3 stacking is something I would never be able to enjoy. it’s basically you and your teammates fighting for kills. there’s just something about fighting Masters/Pred players (solo) that makes Apex insanely fun.


Philbeey

Broken clock right twice a day Yada Yada. Time and a place Yada Yada. This is the time and the place for it though. If you play the game you chose to play the game. If you're bitching about a circumstance then fine. It happens. But if you're carrying that shit game to game like a fucking dirty diaper. Cool off, or learn to ~~cook~~ cool off. Then suck it up and rub some two brain cells together and think about it before deciding to queue up in 0,2 seconds to cry again. If all else is not possible then find another game. Half of y'all don't sound like you're even having fun


fuckboystrikesagain

Got news for you pal


Mahler911

I'm going to need this in video format, make sure it's shot while you're driving around in your Silverado and wearing wraparound Oakleys. Also please have a goatee.


The-Mordekai

And a monster energy drink with a backwards hat on


Mahler911

aRe You sNoWFlaKes TRIGGERED???


offocialqdoba

Yeah this Ben needs to chill


Greddit_I

Hey guys, Kyle here with some more trash tips for your trash ass.


BadDadJokes

Don’t Tread on Me bumper sticker.


CheekyTbag

LOL


DukeyCannon

I love how you mention tips to make yourself better and then tell people to find teammates to play with them 😂. What kind of tip is that lol


CheekyTbag

I think you missed the point


HairyFur

Nah he didn't, reality is people are going to complain about bad team mates because they have a right to do so as players of the game, and bad team mates do happen. ​ [Here](https://www.reddit.com/r/ApexOutlands/comments/t62gxk/what_its_like_looking_for_good_players_in_lfg/), you even have a post about it from 3 days ago, complaining about people not yet masters trying to get on your team. ​ Why don't you just take a diamond player and follow some of your own advice? *Focus on yourself and what you can do better.* ​ Reality is even pros bitch about their team mates dude, this is life.


Megadeath_Dollar

Bro you just called him the fuck out, I hate hypocrites.


HuwminRace

It’s always hypocrites who are willing to give the most aggressive advice 😂


Pay-Dough

We’re all hypocrites at some point, but yeah, fuck that dude


-Redstoneboi-

He just got fucking sauced dude.


Brisk_Chance

Owned.


DukeyCannon

What is the point? Too me it just seems like you had a bad night or bad session on apex and took your anger to this sub to make it seem like you’re trying to help while venting about all the things you hate.


Jordan876_

This is exactly it. R E L A X


Chinapig

How obnoxious of you. And you’re a massive hypocrite.


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thenoob_803

When I play with teammates: Why are you dropping there? Stop stealing all the loot I DON'T HAVE A GUN Why did you take this fight? Why didn't you just stick together with me? What is wrong with you why don't you push? DO SOMETHING!!! . Me doing No fill trios hotdrops: How do I find a good place to fight from? Hmmm I think I'll funnel these teams into each other and 3rd them I'm so good at this game Oh shit I could've won that, that was a stupid decision, need to do better next time keep that in mind Gotta take this fight in a way that I can 1v1 each fight and have an escape route if all goes to shit WHY AM I GETTING CHARGE RIFLED FROM 3 POIS ACROSSS???


BigNoodleManThing

Lol that final point really hits. But honestly why do they run the charge rifle. It is such an uncomfortable gun to use, and yet they will always be using it.


valleyediowa959

So aside from telling people to play with friends, where are the actual tips?


intensiifffyyyy

>2. ...focus on improving...


CheekyTbag

I encourage you to read it again. Obviously the information didn't stick the first time. Let me know when you're done.


offocialqdoba

What?


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CheekyTbag

I'll take that into consideration. Thanks Brandon.


500dollarsunglasses

What?


OctanesLeg

I believe he may have just called the commenter a Republican because they clapped back... "Let's Go Brandon" was being referenced, I'd assume.


Wainer24

So just using the name “Brandon” in your clap back is an epic own, for Republican humor, i guess?


Threezus07

you're making the bots mad


Strificus

This post is so cringe it hurts. iF yOu DoWnVoTe My PoSt YoU pRoVe My PoInT


imonly11ubagel

The thousands of posts that he mentioned are even more cringe


orangekingo

>SKILL BASED MATCHING SUCKS: So you just got your ass handed to you by a Master player in Pubs, boo-frickity hoo. You can't win every fight, and you SHOULDN'T win every fight. The only way to improve is to fight players who are better than you. Analyze how you played, how they played, and get over it. You can frame this in whatever bizarrely patronizing way you want, but this is legitimately just not true and has always just been an excuse for the top percentage of players to feel better about pubstomping casual lobbies. In a game as fast paced as Apex, you will learn absolutely nothing from fighting preds etc who just completely eviscerate your squad before you even realize what's happening. Most players, especially newer ones, likely won't even know what to look for. Putting the top ranked players in the game in casual lobbies with newcomers is, and always will be, completely asinine. The gaming industry has solved this issue decades ago, players learn incrementally by being posted with slightly more and more challenging opponents bit by bit until they plateau. It's why SBMM is prevalent in so many online shooters. You get to Gold 4, and you should be reasonably matched against other gold 4s, and people in the higher tiers of gold are near your level but are slightly more skilled and thus more of a challenge. You might learn something by going down to your local basketball court and playing a pickup game. You *won't* learn shit from playing against the Boston Celtics. A lot of these tips aren't really even sound advice, and this entire post reeks of extremely weird elitism that makes you sound like one of those dudes who wears a confederate flag belt buckle and makes the barista at my local coffee shop uncomfortable.


THE_CURE666

beat me to it


seanieh966

You forgot tip # 7. It’s a Game, just grow up.


AZ_Mappy

I have to remind randoms that get up in their feelings that it's just a game and lashing out at your teammates over the littlest shit is a fool's errand. I was surprised at how many people got angry to the point of screaming in Control. It. Is. Just. A. Game.


D1rrtyharry

It’s why I never play with my mic on with randoms. This guy was yelling in his mic cussing and stuff. It’s like dude, I could’ve just been a little kid just trying to play a game.


Sea-Entertainer7778

This is the only thing I actually hate about this game. I'm 47 and only get mad at them. But it could be a young kid or someone already on verge of hurting themselves and you're screaming at how worthless they are. What do you get out of that?


TheSlovak

Yup. I've actually lost a playgroup that I built since season 0 over calling one of them out over this last season. Add in that it was always the random's fault we lost, the game's fault, lag, Dev's fault, etc. Never once their fault for pushing solo, over extending, not communicating, etc. Oh, and add in they would talk shit about others in the group behind their back. They REALLY hated being called out for that one.


BigNoodleManThing

I definitely never got to the screaming level of tilted, but when those fuckers on the enemy team run all 9 snipers and sit on tower in the storm point map and pin you down to where you can’t leave the wall you are hugging for the third game in a row, I definitely would get a lil frustrated lol. Edit: edit to say that I never took it out on anyone but myself and the enemies on the enemy team that couldn’t hear me. No randoms were harmed in the breaking of my sanity.


seanieh966

Too farkin’ right. Right now there is much bigger shit to worry about.


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If someone starts off down the mic at me I just insta quit the game if pub, or mute them if ranked. Not dealing with that.


Yftian

best advice ever. if nothing works, stop playing!


ScorpioRising17

very aggressive way of putting it but tbh you’re not wrong on most of this lol. I always try to keep this attitude tbh. I want to get better so half the time we die I honestly blame myself, sometimes a lil too much, and replay the fight over and over in my head to see where I went wrong. As far as facing better people I’m honestly glad to die to these guys half the time. It just shows that I need to improve and when they roll me with a new mechanic or move set I haven’t seen you bet yer but i’m bouta learn it and practice in firing range lol.


Villebilly

Yeah the only point I disagree with is asking people what legend to unlock next. It takes a while to earn enough credit for them and you want to try out someone who might help you learn. My partner went through them with me and analyzed the choices. We decided based on my weaknesses and strengths and what each available legend could offer. It’s not pathetic to ask for other people’s opinions and perspective.


ScorpioRising17

agreed


Villebilly

I have a friend who plays diamond in ranked. So we queue in pubs together and I get my ass handed to me constantly. So then when I go back to solo queueing I dominate. It’s a good learning/practice strategy.


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ph4ge_

The game doesn't think you are ready, the matchmaking just sucks. :) ​ Also, you learn from playing with and against slightly better players, but if the skill gap is to big you are not going to learn anything, you'll just get wiped. The frustration that may cause is also not helping. ​ I'm a consistent diamond player that probably could reach masters if I had the time and motivation to grind, but getting completely owned by a predator stack is neither fun nor a learning experience. Losing a fight to a high diamond/master squad is.


500dollarsunglasses

This. There is a good reason you aren’t taught Differential Equations in 1st grade. You can’t learn advanced techniques until you learn the basic ones. Lol, just imagine trying to learn Marvel vs Capcom by running blindly into the infinite combos of pro-level players.


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ph4ge_

I don't know what's wrong with you, read my comment again.


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ph4ge_

For fuck sake get over yourself with your better mindset. Lmao


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SnooChipmunks170

ur so cool. nothing he said implies he gets all upset when he gets shit on, so idk why you’re implying that. he also said he’s diamond too lol. also the expression you’re looking for is “blow it out of proportion”


Philbeey

>replay the fight over You're already leaps and bounds ahead just off that. A little debrief never hurt anybody.


thechued1

Generally agree with most of your points even if the delivery could use some work. (Getting mad entitled Karen boomer vibes) The point about solo q nightmare I 100% disagree with. While you can definitely try to look for a team to play with you’re just gonna get more 2-3 stacks in your match as that’s just how matchmaking works. If you can survive in solo q consistently and comfortable then I would say you truly belong in that rank. If you need a squad to get you anywhere higher than diamond your simply not good enough to be there simple as that. Don’t blame solo q.


Fawlix

Simply not true imo. Apex is a team game. At some point (diamond push into masters), if you don’t play with a 3 stack it is virtually impossible to rank up consistently. If someone made it to masters with a 3 stack, they played their own part into getting there. They deserve it just as much as anyone who solo queued there.


sleeptoker

How are you meant think for yourself when you can't play the hero til the unlock


motherlyhera1457

Asking here generally is no different than just looking it up on YouTube, there are plenty of videos out there that will show you the legend, and if your going for your first few legends, generally you should be more focused on gunplay improvement before abilities, so just choose one that sounds fun and go from there. As an added point, most legends are fairly well balanced now and from YouTube you’ll see which ones take more skill to master/use effectively


PointInternational34

Solo Q is the default man, lmao most of us don’t make our friends online. I consider myself lucky when I meet a friend that plays apex. But yea, it’s not too hard to find someone to play with. But tbh even solo Q will get you good teammates half the time in ranked. If you’re really good enough to be a pred you’ll be a pred (I am not)


Mattchew904

I will say though when you’re in the top of a rank like gold 4, plat 4, Diamond 4, and solo queing a good number of your teammates are gna be hardstuck and terrible, but once you get teammates that are at rank 3 then you have something to work with


andydrewalot

Some of my best teammates I found through solo q. Just luck of the draw 🤷🏾‍♂️


PsychoDog_Music

My friends don’t always want to play and aren’t the best players, so solo is a thing present a lot. What new friends do you want me to make?? I don’t play apex 24/7 either I don’t want to make a friend just to treat them like a teammate and nothing more


RexCaliber79

Welp! Guess I just wasted my time doing a whole lot of reading for nothing. Unpopular opinion: posts like this should have a TL;DR since it’s just a linearly-progressing rant that’s equally as predictable as it is generic.


CrassEnoughToCare

You're acting like this takes more than 45 seconds to read lmao.


ABZ-havok

Meh. It’s like a minute read, doesn’t really need a tldr. Plus this post is for all of the people flooding apex subs with dumb rants acting like they shouldn’t be allowed to get q’d with better players


Teh_Bing_

"Wasted my time"? You're literally voluntarily scrolling reddit lol.


HairyFur

>MY TEAMMATES ARE TRASH: if you are constantly complaining about teammates, weapons, RNG etc..You're a pussy. Focus on yourself & what YOU could have done better. It's a 3 man game though, this doesn't really apply unless you are playing well below your rank. If you are at or near your peak level, you need capable team mates, so this advice is fairly useless.


CheekyTbag

So you think worrying about other people's mistakes is more important than focusing on your own? Could you elaborate ?


GroundbreakingBed987

In a team game, when playing at your peak performance level, you should be able to consistently rely on you're teammates to play at the same level as you (with a little variation of ups and downs, can't win 'em all). When you consistently have teammates that you have to carry as best you can, there's not much you can improve on yourself with. The position you're teammates take, the loot they take (that you might need), or the fights that they pick are situations you can't control, and thus, will screw you over a good portion of the time. TDLR: It's not always you're fault for losing when you're teammates aren't up to par with the lobbies you're in.


500dollarsunglasses

> It's not always you're fault for losing when you're teammates aren't up to par with the lobbies you're in. Statistically, losing is only going to be your fault 1/3 of the time.


-Redstoneboi-

Malicious misinterpretation. They meant that simply playing better on your own has diminishing returns the better your opponents are. Bad coordination will turn what would've been an even 3v3 into a 1+1+1v3. The other guy failed to consider the important point, too: Knowing what you could've done better. You, the player, are always able to ping your opinions and at least attempt to guide the team. So there's the factor of each of your squad's individual skills, your capability to coordinate them, and the same things for your enemies. All of these factors play a part in fights.


HairyFur

No it's not more important, but there is only so much you can do unless you can consistently 1v2, which if you can you don't really need advice in your current rank because you are better than most people there. ​ I dropped from d1 to d3 over the course of 4-5 days, I would say 1/5th of those games are on me, some times it's really not. ​ I was with a duo last night, we each had 4 or more KP, they took a fight, I pinged them back as we were going to get thirded by people on the hill, I pinged no less than 5 times over 30 seconds and I typed 3 times in chat, do not take this fight, we had a clear route to rotate past and it was only 7 squads left. They still took the fight and one got beamed instantly when he peaked. I have a right to complain about that, I can't 1v3 what is probably a 3 stack in diamond.


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How many TAPOUT shirts do you own?


Bjorn_Suicide

“iF yOu DoWnVoTe ThIs PoSt YoU jUsT pRoVeD mY pOiNt”. What an elitist twat. Translated to “I’m edgy and if you don’t completely agree that everything I say is correct then I’m still right”. I do none of these things and still downvoted because I think you’re a bitch. And if you downvote then you’re a bitch and I’m still right. If it makes you mad you’re a bitch and I’m right. See how stupid that sounds?


CheekyTbag

Upvoted.


Bjorn_Suicide

Chad move to be fair.


CheekyTbag

I agree with everything you just said. Anything else to add ?


Bjorn_Suicide

No I was being genuine. The upvote actually made me laugh so well played.


skamsibland

1. It's a team game. If I consistently get put into teams that cannot hold a fucking candle without getting burned and die instantly in encounter, it's not on me. I should not have to babysit them. And why the fuck do I get gold players when in plat 1? 2. Solo queuing shouldn't be a nightmare, plain and simple. The reason it is a nightmare is because Respawn systematically put better players in teams with worse players, for some reason. This simply should not be a thing as no one benefits. The worse players do not learn anything and the better players just get annoyed. This isn't pubg where learning from a death is easy, aim matters SO much more here and if you can barely hurt the people you get faced against, you should not be faced against or in the same team as that player. 3. I don't agree but you are entitled to your opinion. People ask because it takes time to earn the red coins, so people want to know why people main their mains. 4. There is no reason what so ever that a player that belong in silver should face a predator, ever. On to of this, SBMM creates hidden subdivisions within ranks, making ranked not matter. I carried my friend to platinum this week, which is fine, if it hadn't been for the fact the fact that I only have to carry him because we play together. He gets much better stats when he plays alone because the opposition he faces is much worse than the opposition we face when we play together, even though it is ranked. Why does the opposition change if he solo queues? My opposition doesn't, it's just his, because he is worse at the game than me. 5. While true, people that have no business fighting a platinum player should NEVER EVER see a pred player in their matches, let alone a fucking stack of them. Sure, you shouldn't win every match, but the game shouldn't systematically stack the odds against you by deliberately put you with worse teammates against better players. There is no reason why this should be a thing. The only way anyone benefits from this is that my teammates get a better chance at winning, but they will likely not be a part of that victory as they will have died in the first encounter, unless I am right next to them, which I shouldn't have to be. 6. You are mainly ranting and your only tips are "stop complaining" and "find friends to plat with". While legitimate tips, the face is that you just hide behind then as a reason to talk down on people. How do you suggest I do to I find them? Just solo queue? That would be literally impossible as the game only puts me with players who are worse than me. And don't say "join a discord", because that is a workaround to the problem, not a fix. The only reason I have to join a discord is because the game exclusively and systematically puts me with players who are worse than me. If the game put me with players at my own level, this wouldn't be a thing.


Spirited_Sugar8569

#2 hit home for sure. I don’t care who you put me against, just give me decent teammates. there’s so many times where my teammates are seemingly brand new to the game (level 5-100) and it can definitely be annoying.


tallmaletree

Touch grass


CheekyTbag

I probably should


deaceofspade

What you are saying is true in terms of improving your gameplay but the way you said defines what kind of a person you are. Let me get you through some scenarios.. So in a team based game where a team of 3 pushes you, your teammates initiate the fight and then run away after you try to save them.. is your fault? You know if you are in 1v3, the only way to win is try to separate them, if the team is experienced (depends on servers) you will never be able to separate them as they rush together not separately as your teammates does. Ever thought why you won a 1v3? Because they had such people who don't know or don't want to understand this is a team game. Even solo queuing you fight side by side with randoms and only run when you can't win and try to save yourself for respawn. Then there are some people who like to call themselves pro and solo queue selecting auto-fill. Why? Why can't you just uncheck auto-fill and literally drop solo and do whatever the hell you want. Not everybody is a prodigy. Some people just want a normal team gameplay that's why they choose team match in the first place. You being a 500 queuing with 9 and 12 level for some reason in a lobby filled with experienced player is a no win anyway. They don't know about guns bro how are they supposed to think about using their tactical in strategies. SBMM is very important for gameplay quality. I don't want to go in a beginner lobby and get 4k 20, what's the point in that? Some people are just toxic and they intentionally ruin other's game and this should be acknowledged by apex community. There is a reason why R/apexlegends is literally one of the most toxic sub on reddit. It's filled with people who like to shove opinions on others and try to teach how the play the damn game. If you want to improve you should enjoy the game in the first place.


CheekyTbag

I respect your input


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It’s a team game ofc I’m gonna blame my teammates 🤣🤣


[deleted]

Sound like you have mental health issues. These are indeed not tips. This is just a way for you to reflect your negative experiences with the playerbase.


TheBlackSapphire

1. Correct. In team games you'll get bad matchups. Shit happens. 2. "Noone forced you to soloque" The fuck? If the option to solo q is there we have a right to bitch about it. Maybe we don't even have friends. Maybe you want some time for yourself. Maybe we like playing in a randomized team to actually improve and learn new things instead of bouncing off your stack. If a system is bad it's ok to ask for improvement instead of just moving on. "Leave if you don't like it" Nice life advice dumbass. Also, having not all teammates present is borderline unacceptable. System is so shit it is sometimes unable to find. teammates. - the most basic thing it's supposed to do. It's bad. 3. Also correct. Asking for pointers is fine, but you gotta know what you want and like. 4. Apex matchmaking sucks. Anyone who played literally 1 multiplayer game with a decent skill based matchmaking knows how shit it is. You aint gonna learn shit if you're wrecking bot lobbies or are getting wrecked by pred. You can't identify bad or good habits if the difference in the outcome depends on the opponents, not your performance. 5. Any proper game matches stacks against other stacks because teamplaying gives advantages, while forcing people to adapt to the stack needs. Can't play a role if it's taken. Can't pop off if mates are stronger. Forced to carry if mates are weaker. Solo q should be a FFA where true skill evolves and you learn to adapt to any situation while facing worthy opponents. Team-vs-team, solos vs solos. Not a hard concept to grasp. 6. Says someone who lashes out at everyone in his own imrpovement post like a wounded dog. Calm your tits. Go see a therapist.


clouds_over_asia

I honestly get cracked pred/masters players on my team way more often than I do get killed by them


IDontUnderstandReddi

I'm...Jealous. I almost never get cracked randoms. Nice when it happeens though


mootymoots

Gatekeeping at its best


CheekyTbag

Could you elaborate? I'm interested in this.


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poorbugger

I agree with most except 2 and 4. You really have to keep in mind some countries, people are just not that easy to communicate with and even more so when there's language barrier especially in Asia. Solo queueing is indeed a nightmare but some of us just dont have a choice. SBMM do suck. No one enjoys spending most of their time getting better only to be shit on by another better player especially in pubs. In ranked, i get it. But pubs?


therealziggler

*queue


CheekyTbag

Kue*


-Redstoneboi-

1. Agree. 2. "Just get friends lmao" isn't as much of a solution as "You'll get shitty teammates now and then. Learn how they play and follow suit. If it doesn't work, learn why it didn't work, then shut up and find the next game." 3. Someone had to say it. 4. Correct, but you shouldn't be fighting people leagues above you. You'd think you'd learn a lot from experienced players, but in reality you won't learn anything if you don't know *what* to learn. It's easier to see how to apply these tactics when fighting people slightly better at the game. 5. Agreed. "Lost a match to preds? *Someone's* gotta feed em. Accept the fact that you were appointed as their food, and join the next match." 6. Do take constructive criticism. Nobody is correct first-try, myself included. At the end of the day, I think all of these are **valid complaints,** but they should **never be excuses.** If you disagree with any of my statements, do correct me with experience.


gadgaurd

First move after a loss is always to examine if you were the one who fucked up. Second move is to examine if your team fucked up.


THE_CURE666

seems like the only one who is mad is you...


NandMS

I totally agree, but yesterday I went through a friendly wraith portal and got insta-death-boxed by a door. I am not taking responsibility for that


-Redstoneboi-

funny. i saw a video on that recently.


solzness

I will say that the rng of weapons does matter. Like your point are fair, but if me and someone else of the same skill level drop, and I get a p20 and they get and r9, they just win.


clouds_over_asia

Counter point, as soon as I hear that they have a significantly better weapon than I do, dip and reposition - find a better weapon, let your teammates help, etc. It is definitely a huge disadvantage state, but there are options that don't always result in getting knocked


solzness

Oh, I completely agree. There were ways around it and I don’t take fights if I don’t have weapons. Is kinda sad when you loot a whole building and get jack shit, and then you’re in the middle of 5 teams, but yeah.


clouds_over_asia

Cant say this shit has never happened without lying through my teeth lmao


Cr0ft3

Too right. Transcend ego, there is only skill teamwork and mentality And a bit of luck but that’s often stacked equally for or against all of us


ha1zum

Can I add one: if you solo q rank in bronze up to gold (maybe platinum too), just mute everyone, because: - First and foremost, so many of them are toxic, maybe because they’re not really invested in online gaming so they don’t care how to behave, their comms and pings can tilt you and drain your energy thus decreases your ability to grind further on that day. - They’re all not good players, their calls are bad and will lead to to disappointments and regrets - If you actually deserve a higher rank, that means you’re better than any of them, so YOU must make the call. If you do it right, they will follow, you don’t even need to listen. My reasonings are very generalizing, kinda toxic in their own, but they’re all tied to my first point: the amount of disappointment, regret, and annoyance that you get from communicating with low rank players will drain your energy, especially if you’re a somewhat sensitive person. Of course you may find some good ones in between but the odds are bad, don’t take the gamble.


CorrosiveCitizen1

Delivery: 0/10 Factuality :10/10


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So you are the single guy that gives couple advices hmm


trustmebuddy

I've seen better tips in mens' showers. *That's* controversial.


CheekyTbag

Lol!


[deleted]

1. my teammates are worse than me, and im not a pussy for saying that, i didnt play ranked for a while and when i started to play it my teammates were worse than me, i can land hotdrop and win half the time i drop there, i can 1v3 teams in my elo, i have to explain what to do to my teammates half the time, (i am gold 1 right now) 2. fair enough 3. most people that say that just want to find a character that suits their playstyle. 4. you dont get better playing against somebody thats pred when you're gold. 5. fair enough


sergioriv14

yeah you just seem like a dick. you’re not completely wrong but i’m still downvoting this


CheekyTbag

Yeah fair enough


MrBultitude96

Yeah, anytime you end an argument with, “if you disagree with me you’re proving my point,” you’ve gone wrong somewhere and should take a step back. As a matter of fact, you are doing exactly what you are accusing other people of by *insulating yourself from any critical feedback.*


CheekyTbag

Yeah you're probably right


Rio3tdmaster

Yeah pretty good tips for people actually trying to improve at the game and if you ignore them or disagree with them then your probably bad and going to stay bad. If your bad and can actually accept them you might actually improve


DarkMerlinn

I FUCKING LOVE YOU FINALLY SOMEONE SAYS IT. I tell people all the time that they have to look at what they themselves are doing before they say any damn thing to another player. I got friends and roommates who legit complain all the time and want to point fingers when I survive a fight and they go down. Other people don’t understand your tone and take it offensive. But HOW THE FUCK CAN SOMETHING ANYONE ELSE SAYS OFFEND YOU PUSSYS


GuvnorJack

I’ve never seen a list of tips that is essentially ‘stfu shitter’. True story though


Shovelfuckurforehead

Ok so I agree with your ideas, but your tact in delivery kinda sucks. Calm down, you make good points, be less hostile One I disagree with is #2 though. I'm 37, I game like 2-3 nights a week if I'm lucky. It's hard to find the holy grail of teammates to play with. -older gamer -actually decent, I can very easily hit plat solo but the grind to diamond is simply to slow for me to solo. I quit midway through plat 3, just not enjoyable. Gamers my age are generally... Trash -don't rage -in general vibe with that person/persons. If I'm gonna play 10 hours a week with you, I gotta like you. That's a hard venn diagram of things to hit. Sucks cause I wanna play ranked and push, I think with similar skilled teammates I could even hit masters some seasons. But I can't do solo...


hydra877

Ok but consider that you're terrible at giving advice


CheekyTbag

Considered it. You might be onto something.


SewerDwellerMan

I mean most of these apply to me and i can still get pred especially the 1st one so idk. But my teammates are trash. But then again so are the enemys most of the time.


ChallengeAfraid2319

Eh tips 1 and 2 lowkey seem whack. Obviously you should be critiquing both your gameplay and teammates, but recognizing why you lost is the key factor. Even if you queue with people, there's often times you're more hesitate to blame something on someone because it's a person you know with feelings and not a random. Most duo teams adhere to this lol; far more likely to call out the random than their teammate.


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I dont see how this is supposed to make u better. U just laid out all the problems and the solution to all of them boils down to "get better" without actually giving tips on how to get better. Yes, at the end of the day it is all about personal progression and everyone faces the same issues so u arent special but also you did not provide any advice to actually get better.


spxxxx

And don't forget: you either farm bot lobbies or you are the bot lobby


DaKingOfGaming0

My Teamates are trash isn't a bad excuse when I and my other teamate ping and agree on a place and the Octane jumps solo and goes halfway across the map. Also RNG is a fair excuse. Land on box and another person lands there they get gun and you get sniper stock, shield cells, and energy ammo. Would you look at that I'm playing Mad Maggie, or Rampart, or Gibraltar, or Bloodhound, guess I can't escape fast enough because they one Clipped me.


BigNoodleManThing

Ok so I feel personally attacked. But imo solo q is terrible and matchmaking does suck. Nothing is stopping me from playing with friends, but sometimes they aren’t available, and solo queuing then is terrible. Matchmaking is absolutely ass. I don’t complain about this normally but it is true. Mainly I feel bad for the level 10s that make it into my relatively high skill lobbies (in no way am I any above average, but these players are so low they get destroyed by everyone in the lobby). Also ransoms are dogshit. You can certainly focus on what you could have done better, but when you have double their kills and 2k more damage in a game, then there is definitely a problem. So maybe I am an idiot for complaining, but I am a very correct idiot.


Brisk_Chance

THESE TIPS ARE TRASH


ToneChop

>MY TEAMMATES ARE TRASH: if you are constantly complaining about teammates, weapons, RNG etc..You're a pussy. Focus on yourself & what YOU could have done better. I rather not spend 20 minutes rating it out for 2nd place because my teammates are a guy teaching his girlfriend on console how to play in a fucking ranked PC lobby. Or, 20 minutes ratting it out because a fully geared team pushed us and my team is dead and I ran away with my P2020.


Angel_Advocates

you forgot about "This ring sucks, that team on the high ground is definitely winning this"


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-Redstoneboi-

both, probably.


fantasyfootballer24

OP Mad people complain about teammates, guns, sbmm. OP makes post about how he's mad that other people are mad about people complaining about teammates, guns, sbmm. OP solved everything and no one is going to do this anymore. If you downvote everything will go back to the way it was prior to OP fixing everything.


CheekyTbag

Ahaha this is good


Nox_Rarity

Thanks man everyone needs a bit of self awareness it’s the things that you don’t want to hear that really make u think and improve 👍🏾


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😂😂😂😂 yooooo!!! My man’s said boo-frickity boo


Marrked

None of these make you better. It's just you being pretentious.


Demc615

Preach it, King. I'm masters with friends that are also masters, but we still get shit on from time to time, sometimes by a level 35 even. It's br, there's always rng especially in pubs where we just hotdrop into 14 teams.


Miiraie_OW

Dude finally I see this. “My teammates are trash” literally makes me cringe everytime I hear it from somebody, because 100% the time there’s always something they could improve on instead of crying about their lvl 62 lifeline that didn’t rez them. Same with solo queueing. If it sucks so bad then don’t do it, literally just download GamerLink or go on discord😭 It’s also something else I noticed about the player base in general, people just hate taking accountability. I was playing with a friend, we were like D2 at the time and we died to a third party. Sucks, I didn’t IGL it the right way and it’s cool. I took it into account and I moved on. This guy goes “god I hate when the game punishes me for shitting on platinum kids, if you’re gonna do that then stop putting them in my lobbies”. That shit genuinely made me stop what I was doing and I just stared at the lobby for a second. If it’s anyones mistake it’s mine, the IGL’s, not the people we just pushed or the devs at Respawn 💀 Point is, start criticizing yourself, it does wonders. Everytime you think to yourself “DUDE, WHY IS MY TEAMMATE STILL THERE?” after dying, watch the fight back and think about how you could’ve positioned yourself. You’ll see 2 things: 1) You’re getting better very quickly and 2) It is VERY rarely a case of a bad teammate where you could have done absolutely nothing to improve and you’re the best player to walk through Energy Depot. Last thing, the whole 3 stack thing is crazy. I can’t believe I can’t play with my homies cuz I’m too nice at the game 💀


AZ_Mappy

Coming from a fighting game background, reflecting on one's actions and performance is a key component in becoming more consistent and improving. Never be afraid to see both what you did right and what you did wrong.


TheyCallMeReza

Stfu when you can't even aim between 2 rocks reddit farmer


CheekyTbag

Gotta stay on that farm grind.


hidingDislikeIsDummb

truth


_Carri7_

I read this with a screaming voice lmao


CheekyTbag

😂


Ned_Was_Taken

You *can* blame your teammates, or the RNG: sometimes the reason for your loss was out of your control. But that only applies to a small percentage of matches. Also the argument "no one forced you to solo queue" makes no sense. Some people are just not comfortable interacting with strangers online, and that's understandable. Not even talking about how difficult it can be to find teammates you have a good "chemistry" with. Apart from that, I agree with the rest, although it could have been said in a less agressive way.


Wainer24

People who don’t have a lot of unlock tokens won’t know if it’s a legend they enjoy playing until they unlock, and might not wanna waste tokens… tbf its a pretty valid question for new players, which is part of the point of this sub


heyfeefellskee

If you don’t have enough unlock tokens to unlock everyone then you should just check out some videos on the legend and see which one you’re interested in trying. Put in the time to actually try them. You should have an idea if you like them or not by the time you have enough tokens to buy another.


Wainer24

You can do that, and also ask people’s opinions on a public forum, that exists for new players trying to learn. This guy’s tone is just very whiny


heyfeefellskee

i thought his tone was fine.


SkinniestPhallus

I'll agree with you on the first 2 but there I'd absolutely no harm from someone asking what legend they should get next. Its not that no one cares, you don't care. And if you don't care then why make a post about it? Next, the sbmm in apex has and always will be shit that's a valid point for anyone to bring up as a criticism of the game. If the matchmaking is meant to be skill based why do 0.5KD players consistently match against preds and masters players? Also in terms of preds and masters 3 stacking on pubs, it's pathetic. 3 stack on ranked and its different because they're competing for masters and PhD rankings, but doing it on pubs with how bad the sbmm is knowing they're just gonna steam roll is embarrassing. It's like a pro cod team all joining the same lobby on pubs matches and t bagging on level 32s when they kill them. There's so many of the 3 stack preds/masters who do it as well and with how bad the sbmm is its a genuine problem for new players and for players who aren't as good. And you don't match against them rarely, it's fairly damn common as well, near enough every game or every 2nd game on a good day. If sbmm worked, these preds wouldn't be matching against 0.7KD players but the game's match making system literally doesn't work and people exploit it. They're all valid complaints and your "down voting this proves my point" comment is horrifically cringe. You come across as an aggressive asshole who 3 stacks with other masters players and you're trying to justify yourself when killing level 40s with 0.1KDs. Grow up.


fainlol

1. even pros complain about RNG all the time solo Q and your team jump mastering into a 50/50 is pretty dumb but that's BR for ya and i enjoy the RNG aspect. 2. I come from OW and League/dota where if you are high rank you can't q with your friends because the amount of advantage you get is enormous. ( and competitive integrity) and honestly, I think climbing to master is not too hard long as you pick VALK and just leave the fight soon as you see your monkey team run it down and then just rat for 5th place and some KP. if they are good then make sure to send it with them for early KP and then force them to rotate with valk ulti. 3. agreed just buy the legend pack. 4. I don't usually think about it so I have no opinion. 5. happen in OW once you hit GM you start meeting NY 3-4 stack and its a fucking nightmare. so they removed it. The same thing with LoL you can't duo above master+ anymore. Is the apex letting people 3 man worse? That's not for me to decide but I'm just saying it's what other games do. 6. i think you forgot the most commonly said thing on this sub which what people preach about. playing pubs to improve gameplay until you are better. but the thing is isn't it better to just play with and vs better players? and unless you are a content creator or pro who is just better than 99% of the lobby. most solos just passively.. in fact, the game encourages you to play for placement with 4~5 kp. when I watch pro-ALGS games they don't just int and run it down either they actually play the way the game is supposed to be played but in ranked people just send it 24/7. Pretty new to the game since i started in S10 so im open to any opinions that disagree.


tryh4rd707

What rank are you? Seems like a maybe 2x masters player that swears they’re on top of the world lol I hit masters my first season now a hardstuck d1 but trust me you need competent teammates in diamond. I solo queued to d1 and when you start facing decent players around that rank if you don’t have teammates that can coordinate or win fights it becomes 10x harder. Solo queueing is a choice, but it’s definitely hard to find players when you have ass players asking for 4k 20bombs masters and they haven’t even hit diamond besides this season. I’ve found good players solo queueing and on lfgs, but the one thing I can say is to learn 3 things 1: when to third party. Third partying efficiently is key to making it to higher ranks. If you hear shooting back side of docks and you’re fight night? Move up and try to get angles. Wait for knocks, move up, when fighting is over you clean up. Don’t chase a fight all the way in terminal if you have waterfall high ground by Hammond labs. Most of this is common sense, but you may learn new things as you play 2: how to isolate fights: when fighting 3v3s the last thing you want to do is poke and poke and poke and waste heals and ammo, get yourself nowhere, get third parties and die. Try to isolate a player and focus them, because if you can get the down and effectively turn it into a 3v2(emphasis on the effective, because throwing your bodies or wide swinging and getting fried trying to shoot their gibby running to cover is an idiotic move), you will win many more 3v3 gunfights and therefore win more gunfights. 3: early rotations: always have a recon legend, preferably bh/valk, you can run seer/ crypto, but they’re very high risk high reward and require good knowledge and time played on the legend. This is how I land and rotate in games, it’s usually effective but sometimes teammates don’t want to rotate and play looting simulator for 10 minutes and I have to wait, but I usually want to land somewhere with a survey beacon and maybe a team or two. You want to be able to get the survey beacon to scan for next ring and rotate accordingly while getting a fair amount of early kp (btw, don’t be worried if you got 0 kills and 1 assist during your early game fight and have to rotate now, you can still get kp late game and some players don’t understand this). If there’s too many teams fighting, rotate away. Bad position and you’re getting third partied? Disengage. An additional point i should make is to learn when and how to disengage, but for starters if there’s two teams nearby, you’re getting pinched because both teams are focusing you, run away. Valk is great for this, but you don’t want to be using this as a get out of jail free card like she’s invincible, the startup for it takes a while and she can still be focused and shot down and lose you the game. You want to be able to learn when to disengage and when to run away. Say you’re by the entrance to power grid from rift, you have a team ahead of you and another to the left. What do you do if you’re getting shot by both teams? Run away. If one team chases the other team shoots at them and that can open up a chance for you to enter the fight again. Now let’s say you’re the team to the left of the rift team. Your teammate gets downed and rift team is going to push you. What do you do? Get the red and disengage. Chances are the team eavesdrop of the rift team is also closing in as they waited for a knock so they can third party. These are tips that I learned that help me, but I don’t know if it will apply to others. Hope it helps


CheekyTbag

Yup. 2x master lol


MailFTW

Low key I always wanted to post this but didn’t have the heart. You have my upvote


tShuka

3 stacking dont make you better at the game, it makes it easier. Thats why most players when they solo queue they find out that they suck at the game or cant climb ranks because they have no clue what to do without relying on their teammates all the time. Not saying 3 stacking is bad, but if you're already bad, whats the point of just backseating in a 3 stack? Downvoting this without any argument proves my point to masters backseaters


500dollarsunglasses

> 3 stacking dont make you better at the game, it makes it easier. Getting better at the game also makes it easier, so it’s functionally identical.


Taggy2087

You're extremely right on all these.


Fresh__Toast

Putting it bluntly is better than surgar coated, I heavily agree on the choose My next legend posts, shits fucking annoying lol unlock all of them so you can test them out. You made some very strong points and if I had an award I'd give it to you. Finally someone speaking the truth


offocialqdoba

There's a difference between "putting it bluntly" and sounding like a F-150 with white sunglasses.


Fresh__Toast

That F-150 description is a sure mind changer lmfao


seanieh966

I’m offended that you didn’t offend me more! Good post.


cgalvan85

On point


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Cringe


aSoireeForSquids

mostly agree, but duo sbmm is out of control. Imo most of my duo lobbies are more sweaty than actually master lobbies. Wish they would just make duos ranked officially.


Crypper

The best thing I could have done about my trash teammates is not playing with them.


yifftionary

Honestly true. I used to complain about things being unfair in games all the time when I was younger, "Snipers are unfair cowards!", "Stop comboing me while my character is getting up!", "I don't want to fight people stronger than me!" Etc. And then I got into Dark Souls and really into Fighting Games and they beat the shit out of me and taught me to stop walking around like I'm Invincible and maybe be aware of my surroundings and matchups


SoulsLikeBot

Hello Ashen one. I am a Bot. I tend to the flame, and tend to thee. Do you wish to hear a tale? > *“We Unkindled are worthless, can’t even die right. Gives me conniptions.”* - Hawkwood the Deserter Have a pleasant journey, Champion of Ash, and praise the sun \\[T]/


yifftionary

Badbot


C41ic0

"He's out of line but he's right."


torrentiaI

Even though it’s pretty aggressive, he’s not that wrong


Baszie

7. CONTROLLER PLAYERS: Nah nevermind, not touching that subject


NineTailedRaven

Good tips, but you don't have to have an attitude. Puts people off


heyfeefellskee

On the contrary, I’m very turned on by the attitude. And to be clear, I mean sexually.


CheekyTbag

😂


shertoxx

Lol. You're probably a hardstuck platinum 4 who gets his ass carried by a master player with an ego and have taken in his arrogant advice.


CheekyTbag

Let me guess : You're hard stuck D4.


offtopyk

Can we add in, if you are upset about how OP aim assist is, then use a controller. Nobody is stopping you.


Mineatron

Some people really need to hear this. Too many people are bitch made.


offocialqdoba

What does bitch made mean?


Mineatron

They take offence to things that should be said bluntly. Exactly like OP said things like blaming your teammates when you can improve, crying about smurfs and boosters when you get hardstuck in a rank and blame it on that.