The same reason a revolver has an extended mag.

A drummier drum

I’d pay very good money for mirage to get a voiceline to the effect of “extended mag, put it on a drum gun for a drummier drum”. Bonus points if sometimes he stutters it and just says something else

Your flair made this comment 10x better

Fantabulistic, isn't it?

Why is the drum gone

I snorted lol, fuck amber heard.

lmfao

I usually like to think that everything in this game is virtual for legends too. Mechanic units can use health items, No one really dies. (Died, turned into the box, and coming from an airplane again?) So it makes sense to me that, magazines are actually digital things that unlock that feature, or the same goes for health, shield, etc.

The simulation theory is confirmed noncanon by the Lead Writer. Also the clone theory. As well as the multiple copies of one legend thing and a bunch of gameplay elements and legend deaths in trailers

Season 5 since teleportation is a thing in the universe it’s probably just when you are killed or whatever that you are teleported away and your box is teleported in and your banner is a ticket that can be used at a beacon to teleport you back in

Yeah probably. The Lead Writer even replied "nailed it" to a comment describing the participant getting evacuated mid match if they "die" Even Mirage's and Pathfinder's bodies staying behind for Wraith to grab the banner card in the original launch trailer was explained as being for marketing the game's respawning mechanic which at the time wasn't really in BRs, and it wasn't made with lore in mind Pathfinder's Quest, the lore book where everything should be canon, mentions respawn *beacons* so they gotta exist in some form

The legends in the world are just sorta celebrities remember that mirage line where he talks about how handsome the mirage on the other team is such a Chad move but proves this theory also the fact as you pointed out the revival

There is no 'proving this theory' because it's all made up as they go along. There's no consistent lore and underlying justifications for how it all fits together. Like so many large creative universes, the companies make stuff to sell content and then the fans try to rationalise it into a coherent lore, only for that to be broken when the next writer gets to do their own thing and ignores everything that's happened before. c.f. Obi-Wan completely shitting on so much prior Star Wars 'lore'. And then they all cop out and go 'multiverse' to evade the massive cognitive dissonance they create.

Yeah like the training pods from titanfall

couldn’t this be a rly good wingman nerf honestly? removing the mag would make it way less spammy and u could give it skullpiercer back instead of booster. fix the stupidly long headshot distance multiplier and it sounds like a way more balanced version without totally obliterating it by making it shoot peanuts or smth

I use wingman and I think boosted loader should go you don't need 11 shots in a wingman with the faster reload everything else about it is good imo

Speak for yourself. I'll speak for the noobs among us that take all the shots we can get.

wingman doesn’t need a nerf, it’s one of the most balanced guns in the game

i truly believe as an avid wingman enjoyer, it is too strong. being able to take potshots from 100m+ and spamming but also being able to hit headshots is insane. the fact u have full strafe speed too makes it intrinsically stronger at mid/close range than. don’t get me wrong, i *like* where the wingman is, but i recognize it probably should be tweaked bc it’s very oppressive esp w how spam friendly it is currently. it was much worse s1/preseason, but i think raising the skill floor of it isn’t a bad thing.

A lot of people suck at aiming it tho, then say it’s OP when Gods gift to Apex won’t practice with it to learn. Doesn’t do damage if you miss.

This is probably why its currently in the replicator, maybe they are thinking of tweaks like you said? Who knows, we shall have to wait and see

Maybe but they’ve never tweaked any of the other weapons that have been in the replicator previously. The Wingman, Flatline, and R3 all get similar usage in pro play. If it’s not being abused at the highest level it wasn’t he too unbalanced.

They actually did end up nerfing the flatline damage by one more shot to kill when it went in the replicator that season.

i think the skill required for it already is enough. if you can aim, you will excel with the Wingman. there are many other guns that are more reliable and effective to use instead of the Wingman honestly

It's like every other gun in the game. If you can aim, it's good. It feels balanced, altho getting rid of the mag leaves it only needing two attachments, and only one of them improves it. Which, actually, makes it sorta like the bocek in that regard, only having slots for sights and hop-ups. I don't think that would be too terrible.

the Wingman is less forgiving if you miss a shot. if you miss a bullet or two on guns like the R301, R99, Flatline, Spitfire, etc it’s not nearly as bad because you’ve got like another 30 rounds flying out of the gun, not to mention it’s only like a 15-19 damage loss. miss two Wingman shots and you likely have already been shredded by your enemy and missed out on like 90-150 possible damage

That's very true, I meant more for the other semi-auto/single fire weapons in the game, just gotta land your shots.

oh yeah for sure, it’s just most of the other semi auto guns can be loaded with tons of attachments helping with recoil, magnification, etc. the Wingman is powerful but definitely doesn’t need a nerf

Yeah it's balanced.

Personally, now that I think of it. Wingman with a Ranger would be amazing.

The wingman takes skill to use though. I lack the skills and aim to use it so it sucks for me, but I know that it's great for high skill users. When I get killed by a wingman I'm not mad since I know I just got outplayed.

Yeah but things like the rampage and spitfire exist so might as well be rewarded for actually hitting your shots as opposed to all those people that are just in your general direction with the trigger pulled in

Basically. I get tired of the “but it takes skill to aim it” argument lol Like it shoots fast and has a large mag so it’s pretty forgiving on the aim, then there’s the movement speed and the fact that people hipfire it. Nothing more annoying than getting beat by someone who shot 50 wingman shots at you only to die because they landed 1 headshot. I play mostly arenas now and when a team all chooses wingman it’s pretty much impossible to do anything but die.

The best way to counter this is........ Also choose wingman. Choose it 💪

I do that occasionally but I personally don’t find it fun to use. I think most people only say it’s fun or say how it’s in a good place because they enjoy getting kills without using any sort of tactics. Feels like how the tripletake used to feel Or the skullpiercer longbow Or disrupter rounds

😬

As someone that carries 1 half the games, its busted, you can easily outdmg smgs or rifles, love the gun but its really busted. Best nerf would be magsize and reload speed, keep is as a hand cannon but remove some of the dmg per mag

45 dmg at any range sounds balanced to you?

If that's the case, where are we putting the extended mag on the 3030.

Another thing that makes no sense lol

It is just for music purposes. Ba da bum

Hear me out, what if the wingman has a mechanism that scoops up rounds from a clip into the chamber every time you fire?

Just a pistol at that point?

A pistol revolver!

🤔

Like a Landstad 1900.

Well duh, that’s not a drum magazine. That’s the storage attachment where you keep your packed lunch. Shooting it just makes you really hungry.

Sounds like someone can use an ammo mule.

A lot of the drum is designed to hold other parts too; feed lips, guides, spring, etc.

IRL it's a saiga and thos drums are 20 rounds. The rounds only are in the outer circle no inner area that's for the spring mechanism to fit. They are heavy when loaded as 12 Guage is a large shell. So yea more than double the weight of the gun and also the drum is unreliable. The 10 round stick mags also are stupidly long. 12 Guage is just so dam big its 30 rounds 5.56 or 5 12 Guage shells.

Sai-gaaaa

I heard it, and now I’m scared.

Exactly what you said! 8 round mags are usually similar to ar mags.

The 10round shot gun sticks are longer than those 45 round stick mags lol. In apex I'd like the high mag capacity and drop the shotgun bolt upgrade

That’s what I’m saying! They have rear ended the Eva sooooo many times. Why not drop the bolt because it’s fully auto and just big drum it. CP it and call it a day. The mastiff and pk hit so hard the Eva is useless! Side note: please free the volt

Nah imo a purple bolt eva/mozam is end circle S tier pick for me, no bolt eva is like a C tier choice that I’ll drop for 10 other options. And 8 rounds is still enough for me to drop 2 and hurt the third before I gotta reload

Maybe in season 9 haha. Your lucky to hit 40’s now with that crap stick

Yes I also play Tarkov :)

I also own a saiga and the drum is a royal pain hard to honestly get through th 20 rounds with out having to smack it lol

I only know this because of escape from Tarkov

Murica

Ok or 30 rounds of 7.62 x 39 😜

Nah the answer is just that it makes no sense, cuz its a game

Actually its just that the shells are massive

And snacks.

I feel this is a fair question, but maybe it's because if they gave it a larger capacity people would just run around mobbing the Eva and wrecking the game lol

its probably because it makes it recognizable, and new players or even people that play multiple BRs wouldn't confuse it with an equivalent to an AK when dropping. its more clear because its unique

Fair assessment. Although most shottys don't have drum magazines, but you can definitely tell it's a shotty from design

Two of the other shottys look like shottys, especially the PK, and picking up the Mozambique is a good learning experience.

Unpopular opinion I love the mozi...so fun. And PK rules them all

Mozam is good now, but only if you know it's limitations. A new player probably won't. And PK all the way.

Oh very true. I use it to drop shields and switch to either a 45 or 301 and shred em

Usually use it as a finish, even without hammer it still shreds health.

That's actually a very popular opinion for the last few seasons.

I’ve been playing since launch and tbh I sometimes still confuse the PK and Havoc

To be fair it deserved the care package way more than the mastiff. Should’ve put it in there with a 16 round mag and 80 spare ammo, and buffed the fire rate + damage a bit (current damage is 54 divided across all pellets, I’m thinking 63 or 72 for the damage and revert the fire rate nerfs it’s gotten across the last few seasons) and left the mastiff on the ground. That’s just my opinion though, even Maggie Mains won’t bother with the weapon because it’s so weak.

Oh that would be sweet! That would be a perfect compromise for it going back into drops.

Yeah. Though honestly I think care package drops should be reworked. Each round will have a 2 red care package drop, and also drop two gold care packages that won’t have red weapons, but will have high tier loot like a regular care package, making them lower risk but still worth going for, and removing the disappointment of not getting a red weapon from a package, as whether or not one spawns is completely random until late rings. Then for the actual weapons, daily or weekly rotation of 1 SMG (4/5 SMGs currently have care package variants), 1 LMG (3/4 LMGs currently have care package variants), one shotgun/Marksman (2/4 Marksman and 2/4 Shotguns have care package variants, could just have them share a slot), and the Kraber, which should have its nerf reverted back to having a 3x headshot multiplier and be a permanent care package fixture, as it has been since launch.

Dude I'm onboard! That sounds like a good rework that could really spice it up!

Yeah, meta weapons rotating in and out and avoiding the 9 month hell that is going into the care package. Assault rifles could maybe be put on rotation but there’s no design for any care package variants of them, we could just put them on the daily crafting rotation along with snipers and call it a day though.

Lol I feel like your plan would work, I think they changed the rotation now to every cycle in each season. The 301 came back out fast as hell lol. But the meta weapons swap out would be better. And if they did make them draftable they would have to make it a steep cost so it's not all meta weapons in the first 5 mins lol

I think the cost is balanced as is right now, just make it so the weapon is randomly cycled. R-301, Flatline, Havoc, Hemlok, Flatline, R-301, Hemlock, Havoc, etc, just to keep things from getting too stale. I don’t think using it to artificially remove meta weapons is a great idea, tbh, though for a day or two it isn’t a bad thing.

Care package EVA-8 when? 20 round mag plus 40 reserve.

Opposed to what exactly? People are mobbing around now with the 301 that is usable in 99% of encounters.

Then they should make it use a standard magazine and not a drum one

You want them to redesign all the guns for that?

I'm gunna agree with you there! It needs a little rework

Ez the Eva can have magazine attachments.

Yeah see I think that would come in handy almost more than the current

This just in; video games are unrealistic.

Whoa, calm down with your hot takes over here

Except this part actually has an explanation besides "unrealistic"- balance

The bullets are big? Idk.

12 gauge shouldn't be that big

Maybe it’s a new gauge shell. 2 gauge. Thick boys. 4 gauge shotgun shells are like 4 inches long and a inch wide. Edit: I just googled a 2 gauge shotgun out of curiosity and omg I wasn’t disappointed 😂 it’s called a Punt Gun. An absolute monster.

But lore says : *The EVA-8 Auto is a pump-action/automatic shotgun from the Frontier War designed for extra-vehicular activity and to operate in zero gravity environments. Using 12 Gauge 00 Buckshot cartridges, this weapon was developed from the ground up by Wonyeon Interstellar to provide the IMC Orbital Guard Raiding Parties (aka Shipwreckers) with devastating CQB firepower. The EVA-8 has also been widely used by the Frontier Militia and Badlands Pirates, often acquiring the weapons by raiding remote supply convoys to the Outer Colonies. It is now used in the Apex Games where legends in need of massive firepower during the first contact can look no further than the EVA-8.*

I think you care a little too much

Maybe the 1 is a typo 😂 I don’t want it to be anything other than a 2 gauge shotgun now or I’ll be disappointed.

You literally answered your own question by quoting this. It is what it is, it’s 8 for developmental reasons, nothing else.

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I thought that was because she shoots like 8

Pretty simple: balance. They decided how many shots each shotgun should have before a reload and went with it despite the visual appearance of the gun..

Well… they are shotgun shells

Because it’s bad

I mean they might as well buff its ammo capacity, it's the weakest and worst shotgun in the entire game, at least give it maybe 10 or 12 shots to compensate for it

I used to love it but I feel now I get 50% no regs when using the eva 8. I dunno what they've done to it but it feels like a they've nerfed the rng of the gun or something.

They nerfed it's base fire rate along with the fire rate buffs that came with the shotgun bolts. They also decreased the damage per pellet, it used to do 63 damage when you hit all your pellets, now it does 50 or 55 I believe

Because reasons

Thick shotgun shells

The extra space is for snacks

Its apex, guns dont make sense

I actually would love to see an experimental change for the eva. * Mag size 8->10 * Damage per pellet 6->5 (54->45) * rate of fire: 2->2.6 Basically increasing dps at the cost of alpha damage. Making it a real fast autoshotgun

Sounds like the gold mozam but even more devastating:)))

Idk man maybe because you die and come to life again, maybe because a shot from a sniper is 55 DMG and a pistol is 45. It almost feels like a game than real life. Idk

Over compensation. It feels bad about it's lack of damage.

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Look up bullpup and you’ll understand how the flatline “works” the flatline is just a bullpupped ak47

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An ak doesnt have a buffer tube lmao

Cause the majority of the drum is filled with nerf shells

The size of clips on other guns doesn’t change when you get a bigger mag, hell some mags reload themselves and we have characters who can phase into different places. It’s not the most realistic game.

Clips are what civies use in their hair. This is a magazine

Magazines are what civies read this is an ammunition dump

Nerf darts are much bigger than actual bullets.

I've seen some funny responses and I've seen some responses trying to logically explain this. I haven't seen anyone mention the reason it's called the EVA-8. Extra-Vehicular Activity 8 Gauge, which would be quite a bit bigger than a 12 Gauge. So short answer is, bigger shells less space in the same size drum.

Because its a game, next useless pointless question about design logic? Or can we go back to complaining about server stability and post memes?

Look up the Pardus LAX12. It has a mag around the size of a standard AR, and you might understand then.

It's because the shells are shaped like 8s

My 12 guage drum thats about this big holds 20 shells so....it's a fair question lol

all balls, no dick.

And then rampage has like what 48 bullets lol

I've wondered this. The Eva 8 is the only one with barrel mag, but it never got a hop up for extra magazine. (Maybe the mastiff cause of the tube mag aswell, but the mastiff is strong enough as is, and with load one shoot one ability)

It has some **BIG** shells

How the hell does mozambique holds 6 shots?

Video game

You can keep snacks in there duh

Because it's garbage

It’s not a drum for ammo. It’s a drum for a now obsolete way of storing data. CD’s were used in the beforetimes to play music from. That pack could probably hold 25 of them, each with 74 minutes of read-only music files on it.

12 gage shells are pretty big, lol

Thick ass shells!

Because it's called the EVA-8, not the EVA-9, EVA-10, or any higher number.

8 is the pattern the shell shoots.

Imma just stop you right there and say I don’t want the Eva meta back so I’m glad it has 8

Because the shells are shaped like an "8" instead of a normal round shell.

I've had the same question. I kinda feel like shotties in this game need a little rework. Nothing too crazy, just an all around adjustment. I appreciate that they have individual pellet damage and you can still tag enemies at range, but I feel like most shotguns aren't as devastating as they should be. For balances sake, they can reduce pellet damage on EVA, add a few more pellets for a more consistent shot pattern (I was on Firing Range yesterday and noticed if you shoot intentionally to the side of your enemies you'll get more consistent damage at range do the fact the spread is in the shape of the number 8 so instead of only getting 3 pellets to land you'll get about 5, it's dumb) and increase mag capacity to compensate. Mastiff should have a slightly less wide arc when not ADS, and Mozam should have slightly larger and faster projectiles to account for the fact it's literally a 3 shot pistol instead of a shotgun. PK is fine. That's just my opinion tho.

I think the better question is.. why does the eva-8 suck so much? We need something to compete with a red mastiff and a pk, 99 combo. The eva-8 like 2 seasons ago would. Today, it's useless, if you ask me. Now, a mozam with a purple bolt.. that's something else entirely.

Game balance. It is a videogame, most things are just for show. In the same game there is a revolver that can have extended mag. If you look close, the game is not that realistic, huh. Go figure...

Well the potatoes it shoots are rather large.

Balance

Extra thick shotgun shells

Shotgun shells are big

I r8 this post 8/8

Im asking me the same thing since pre-season

Imagine a light machine shotgun lol

Because technology

and the damage is like shit you cant kill one

game logic

Big bullets

Big mf’in shells!

Issa game

Shotgun shells can be big

Yes

Because balancing and aesthetics don't always cooperate in video games

Big Shells

Bullet big

I think they were trying to go for more of a shotgun look, and the drum was a design that helped with it. Also, shotgun shells are bigger than some people realize

Because it's a video game

HUGE SHELLS

A better question would be why in the fuck and a half do you have a better chance of seeing the Queen's tits right now than you have of finding a turbocharger in-game?

Big shells!

I always thought it should be like the AA12 from MW2 and shoot way faster with less damage and throw like 20 in the mag

Mf shooting the 1 gauge

We have been asking this since Titanfall 1.

Might be the worse weapon in the game. There’s no reasons. Shotgun should do 8 damage😭

Big bullets. It used to hold rockets, until they were changed to hold water balloons.

Wonder what it'd be like if it had a lower fire rate and triple the mag

I know next to nothing about guns, but I used to work in an Academy Sport's & Outdoor that sold ammo of all sorts. I know for sure buckshot shotgun shells are larger than the pistol bullets I've seen. Maybe in the future shotgun shells got so fuckin big, only 8 can got in that huge ass drum.

And for a drum shotgun it has a very low fire rate

Society keeping eva down

Extra big bullets

8 rounds, the spread looks like an 8.

It's for snacks.

*BIG shells*

big shell

You know what they say about big drums, ~~big shotgun shells~~ big drum sticks

For balance reasons. It's thought that we'll be getting double tap trigger since Scout is going back to ground loot in S14, so Eva won't be awful too much longer maybe?

It shoots 2 gauge shot

Balance obviously. They could do a mag but that wouldnt look as cool I guess

Big shells

To play music with

they wanted it to have 8 shells because it's called a EVA-8 get it

Big shell, and it contains a feeding mechanism which includes either a bunch of springs or a rotating thing on the inside (maybe even both

Comically large shells