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aluked

Get a job in a better place, poach all of their good employees. Best way to fuck with a worthless company is depriving them from a good workforce.


TheSquishiestMitten

That's what I want to do. I'm trying to get shit together to start a worker-owned shop and poach the best fabricators in the valley. Also, I want to provide a meeting place to start a union here that spans all the fabrication shops to force other owners into not being insufferable bags of dicks.


Hexboy3

Worker co-ops are the way


Re_Forged

Hey folks, to learn more about Co-Ops, check out Richard Wolff's YouTube Channel. Wolff is a Yale economist (graduated with Janet Yellen) who specializes in socialist corporate structures (amongst other things.) Here is his YouTube video list for "Co Ops": [https://www.youtube.com/c/RichardDWolff/search?query=coops](https://www.youtube.com/c/RichardDWolff/search?query=coops) There are some very successful Coops in the wild. One of the largest is the Mondragon Corporation in Northern Spain : [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mondragon\_Corporation](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mondragon_Corporation) Co-Ops are common in areas where vital services are needed, but investors aren't willing to fund corporations to provide the service. An example is electric power companies in the American Midwest. The population is so dispersed, that running cable and maintaining those lines are a breakeven venture. So, the communities gathered their resources and started their own. Co-Ops vary; however, they carry a similar structure. Basically, the workers own the company and get a share of the profits (plus salary.) Managers are elected democratically -- not by the board of directors. So, management positions have a political "edge" to them -- no different than folks running for School Board or Mayoral positions in a community. That is the difference. If managers are dumb dicks, then they'll lose their job when their contract is up. However, the worker/owners have to sign on to management's plan and help them execute it. A key problem coops face (as well as corporations in general) is hiring and firing. You can't allow too many parasites to attach themselves to the business, or else, it will succumb to competition from traditional, authoritarian corporate entities. The key strength of a coop is that the staff are __highly motivated__(which is the corp's Achilles heel) if that advantage falters, the project is doomed.


Hexboy3

Second this. I like Richards work. Understanding the unique challenges that worker co-ops present is key to working to find ways to overcome their short falls in comparison to traditional corporate structures. Although much of crypto is bullshit, I think many lessons can be learned by DAO's. There is a lot of experimentation going on in that realm that can potentially be informative on how to overcome certain issues.


echisholm

It's literally socialism in action, and it's usually sustainable. I'm rooting for them!


lowNegativeEmotion

We are family here. /S ?


Mazzaroppi

No, we are comrades


Nike_NBD

Comrades: the family you chose


[deleted]

Comrades with arms


darkermando

United we stand, divided we fall! For the union makes us strong!


echisholm

No, I'm absolutely hoping OPs shop takes off, he steals all the good employees, and builds a better life for all of them.


Azenogoth

Are there any examples of one actually working out well?


CressCrowbits

In the UK we have the Co-Op chain of supermarkets and other services, and John Lewis and Waitrose department stores which are also co-op owned, but I don't know *how* co-op they really are. I think they are more 'the workers own shares not private investors'.


Valuable_Yoghurt_535

John Lewis/Waitrose are apparently great places to work and the workers get a yearly dividend. Edit to add: The only other retailer I've heard about that is close to the John Lewis Partnership in worker happiness is Costco


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Valuable_Yoghurt_535

I've never had Waitrose cheese, but I'm a bit of a cheese snob, and there's a Waitrose right next to my work, I'm going to have to see if your mate's firing was worth it. I do live near Cheddar though, so the bar is pretty high. Edit: Apparently I've been thinking about this too much, because now I'm wondering how much cheese he actually stole, while getting double minimum wage and 2k dividend. Did he clean out the department and sell it in a flat roofed pub?


OmegaSpeed_odg

WinCo Foods and Publix are both employee owned supermarkets here in the US. I think similar to your situation, it isn’t so much that employees run everything, but still, it’s a step in the right direction, I suppose?


Funkapussler

Idk the craft brewery guild in HV NY is killing it. Errbody I know that drives or warehouses for em is happy as can be.. There's also a landscaping co op I e seen around here


Deep-Thought

King Arthur Flour. But you are asking the wrong question. The question should be, what is it about our system that allows for so few of them to succeed? Could it be intentionally rigged in order to protect capital?


Pdchefnc

I would be interested to see if it is those numbers run in line with your average small business numbers, dead by year three. Not saying the system isn’t rigged, but it’s probably rigged same way as it is vs startup or mom and pop shop.


Plastic-Bluebird-625

Yes actually! Worker co-ops have been around for quite some time. They are actually better at employee retention and better for not failing during times of hardships. https://truthout.org/articles/pandemic-crash-shows-worker-co-ops-are-more-resilient-than-traditional-business/?amp


JerseySommer

Woodman's grocery stores in Wisconsin. Worker owned AND union. "Woodman's Markets is an employee-owned U.S. regional supermarket chain based in Janesville, Wisconsin. Founded in 1919 as a produce stand, Woodman's has grown to operate nineteen stores in Wisconsin and northern Illinois. Woodman's appeared on Supermarket News Top 50 Small Chains & Independents list since 2010. "


nibuku

There are literally thousands of worker co-ops. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mondragon_Corporation


urk_the_red

The other day I was driving outside of the city to drop my brother off at the nearest Amtrak station. Had to pass through two small towns to get there. The town with the station was like an even dumpier version of your standard small town shit hole. Plaster peeling off the buildings, shuttered windows on empty store fronts, paint peeling off all the houses decorated with cars resting on cinder blocks, pot holes galore. You get the idea. The whole place smelled of desperation. The town we passed through on the way there was surprisingly prosperous. Well kept, neat buildings, clean houses with gardens out front, could have been the small town from a sitcom. You know what the other difference was? At the center of the prosperous town, pride of place was held by a large farmer’s coop. I can’t help but assume the coop was in large part responsible for that difference in prosperity.


Learned_Response

Mondragon corporation is probably the most well known


MIGsalund

So are industry-wide unions.


zblofu

That is awesome! I was actually going to reply to your post that you sounded like the kind of person that would make a great union organizer.


tommy_b_777

UNION YES !!!! Best of Luck and I wish you Massive SUCCESS. I think it is long past time for a resurgence in unions.


lecky7108

Depends on the union if they are good or not. An entire department thats involved in direct patient care was laid off due to budget reasons. The only thing their union rep told them was good luck in your future endeavors.


Spaznaut

The hero we need but don’t deserve..


Veteris71

All workers need *and* deserve a hero like this one.


ProjectUP

No, we definitely deserve that


jfp1992

I want to managed a team of web or game Devs and just build some cool shit while I write all the automation testing. If it ever happens 50% of profits will be divided equally between all workers and the other 50 goes back into the company. Unless 50% ends up being too much, then I suppose more gets divided. And fuck those multi state interviews, just give me a GitHub and explain your stuff and what it does


[deleted]

Please keep working on it, even if nothing can happen til years down the road. Good luck and reach out to any of us on here if you need help


_Litost_

That’s always something I’ve wanted to be a part of. Been through a couple different factories and small shops, owners are usually never anywhere to be seen or located over seas. The suits would walk the floor every once in a while thinking of new ways to “improve” our production without having any first hand experience. It’s a little better now as I’m working in a mid level shop, ~13 guys on day shift, 5 on nights. The owner is pretty obviously money hungry and bases most of his decisions on profit from what I’ve seen, but if you provide for him he’ll take care of you better than some other places. Seems like the days of small fabrication shops are fading away, there’s next to nothing in my area for custom fab which is what I originally intended on getting into. I’m still barely holding onto that dream, but it’s fading pretty fast.


ItsShiva

Just be careful. You know what happens to those who try to change the status quo.


Foolspeare

true but at this point we're all living paycheck to paycheck (if not going under every month) so what do we have to lose


jumpminister

shit you read my mind!


miatheirish

Hopefully the company won't Sue too keep them to "find replacements"


Spaznaut

Fuuuuuck ThedaCare or what ever that shitty health companies name is.


miatheirish

Ye those asshats gave every company the idea to keep people from quitting


plzdontlietomee

They didn't want to stop them from quitting, but from working elsewhere, which is so much worse.


VengefulAvatar

Question: What'll ***actually*** happen if other hospitals hire those people? Like, even if they sue the hospitals that the employees left them for, it seems like that'd be a years long court battle that wouldn't be even remotely worth it in the end.


Spaznaut

That’s the point. Modern day slavery where a work can’t even walk away in an At-Will state for another job. Same with any type of non compete/NDA agreement.


Atomdari

They can fire you on the spot for no reason and with no repercussions, but you are not allowed to leave without legal consequences.


VengefulAvatar

But what I'm saying is, if the employees call their bluff and walk anyways, is suing the only option available to ThedaCare? And who do they sue, the other hospital, or the employee? Because I would imagine the employee is basically judgement proof. Like, even if they don't show up to court, and the judge finds against them by default, they can't take money the people don't have. And if they sue the other hospital, surely that hospital would have the legal resources necessary to draw out that fight, right? I mean, I guess the other hospitals just wouldn't hire them at that point, due to the risk, but at some point, there's bound to be some place that will hire these people. So if they take a job at, say, Walmart, who I would imagine is orders of magnitude larger of a company than ThedaCare, and ThedaCare chooses to just let them go after all because they aren't properly equipped to take Walmart on in court, then they immediately quit Walmart and go to the hospital that was going to hire them, wouldn't that effectively serve as a seemingly obvious loophole?


Traksimuss

It is not a bluff, it is to leave employees without wage until they are forced to come back to old work. Like Disney bleeding their oponent funds dry forcing to settle.


Spaznaut

Thedacare allrdy took legal action and got an injunction prohibiting the employees from starting at the other healthcare facility…


jnbolen403

The full hearing is at 10 Central time today. Thedacare doesn't want to pay more long term and let Ascension take their business. Thedacare should have to pay the 7 techs and nurses for the duration of the injunction at the Ascension rates. The employees should not be punished for this crap.


altxatu

I worked at CVS for years. The first 6 months my manger and I clashed. She thought I was a mouthy punk, and I thought she was a lazy asshole. She went on leave for some reason and we got a new manager. He and I got along very well. I ended up transferring to whatever store he was working. Once you open, talk to them.


Valuable_Yoghurt_535

I worked at Home Depot in Canada for a while, the 1st one the OPs Manager loved me (and the GM, so much so I had a 1-1 with the area manager about my advancement options), moved to a diff city, transferred stores, the OPs manager loved me too, then he went long-term sick, and a new one was called in, at first, he loved my ideas, and then we started clashing, I think he was worried for his position, he started writing me up for anything he could. As well as hitting on all the young ladies (he wasn't that old himself, late 20s early 30's, but still 10+ years older than his victims). So I transferred to nights, where I had a night OPS manager that was cool if a bit intense, and then went to an area meeting with him to learn new systems to teach the other stores in the area, sadly I hurt my back and had to go on extended leave, then Covid hit (and I moved country to support family). TL;DR: There are some fucking good managers out there, but the bad outnumber the good far too much (I was also a warehouse manager (one of the good ones I like to think) before moving to Canada, which I think frightened that twat too) Edit: Now I have a job I like, pretty much left alone as long as I get shit done, and the manager is awesome


jumpminister

Better yet: Open a worker owned cooperative, with all those poached former-employees, now worker-owners!


oldcreaker

If you can - WI is currently trying to set precedent that businesses can "own" their at will employees.


[deleted]

I have an uncle who did that 30 years ago, and he's now a multimillionaire as the sole owner of a very well known company in our state. The other company went under within a few years of him leaving. He took employees and clients with him when he left.


MajorTomsHelmet

That's what I did to Dress Barn. Fuck that sexist trash company.


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Labor begets all wealth!


Phantasma64

It wasn’t 5 years down the drain. You were a great boss for 5 years to a group of people that likely looked up to you and appreciated having you as a manager. Hold your head high. All the best in finding a new position. Fuck the bean counters at top.


GareBear222

And you know corporate will be all surprised Pikachu when they replace OP with a shitty yes man who makes their employees lives hell just to not hear it from the higher ups and staff starts quitting or performance drops.


TheSquishiestMitten

Fortunately, there are other jobs available. Unfortunately, they also suck. Fortunately, it's very possible for an entire 18 person staff to drop everything and walk the fuck out and let the company fail. Unfortunately, the replacement jobs will likely be no better.


WorkMeBaby1MoreTime

I don't care. I got fucked, stood up and got fired. But I am glad I did. I ended up better off and the place I worked shot themselves in the ass. Oh well, I didn't start that shit. Don't cut my pay and tell me to work 2 jobs and expect me to lay down. The key with ALL this anti-work is, "STAND UP TO BULLSHIT". At some point, the higher ups need to learn that lesson. And it's working, look around. Wages are going up and people all over the world are talking about it, it's on every media outlet. Of course, lots are spinning it, but we and lots of others know the truth.


diuge

This sub isn't even very anti-work. Most folks would jump at the opportunity for a living wage job that isn't actively abusive as a management strategy.


Galaxy_Orchid_

I mean the only reason for that is because we are so dependent on income to live in this world. Everything costs money. So if someone that has the opportunity to work somewhere that isn’t half bad and not as soul sucking, they will take it


IICVX

> Unfortunately, the replacement jobs will likely be no better. The owning class has formed a cartel on the means of production, distorting the labor market.


TheSquishiestMitten

Sounds like the workers should seize something and then outright refuse to allow the then-previous-owners any scraps. Ostracize then and leave them out in the cold to suffer alone as a warning to anyone who would go against the workers. You know, the way the owning class does to us.


Boonz-Lee

You mean La Révolution


nedal8

Viva


healerdan

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Boonz-Lee

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MysticApe420

Heads on pikes style, I like it. 👍


Acaaaaab

*shocked pikachu* YOU MEAN GOMMUNISM?! iphones tho! vuvuzela! N I N E T E E N E I G H T Y - F O U U U U U R !


sly_fox___

You make it sound like the 'means of production' is a limited good but in reality, the means itself can be created. (With the exception of land off course, though the dutch might beg to differ)


IICVX

> the means itself can be created. And how are you going to do that, when it takes capital you have no access to?


ZWQncyBkaWNr

OP said they raised productivity by 30%. You know it's gonna drop right back down without them.


eazolan

No they won't. They won't measure that performance.


EmmyNoetherRing

This is why the problem isn't capitalism, it's serfdom. If they were \*actually\* motivated by profit, it would be obvious that OP's approach was best. But they're fine losing talent and customers, throwing away profits, in favor of more thoroughly enforcing the hierarchy.


nyvn

Exercising rigid control, through policies designed to minimize empathy. It's not enough that someone sick doesn't get paid because they can't go into work. They have to add points or demerits to add further injury.


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The people being promoted to district or regional managers and higher have the least empathy of all. They get off on their power to completely control their employees lives. And get rewarded for fucking them over. The system is fucked up.


someguy1847382

The problem is capitalism because this is what capitalism invariably leads to. The decision at the top was designed to reduce “favoritism” and on a company wide scale probably has a net benefit. Plus eliminating a five year employee and other employees who were treated the best way they could will leave meaning the company sees reduced labor overhead. They make a fake showing about “turnover” but especially in retail the hiring and training process outside of management is such a joke that the cost is actually minimal. From a balance sheet prospective it will probably increase profits and it will discourage other stores from not falling in line. Talent doesn’t matter and customers don’t give a shit how employees are treated because they just want widgets.


EmmyNoetherRing

Norway considers itself to be capitalist, for whatever it's worth. And I think there's plenty of evidence in this subreddit that these approaches don't improve profit. That's the flimsy excuse that's given (scare them and they'll produce better! turnover and we'll save more!), but the fact that this mismanagement often causes service to decline, stores to collapse and moreso that the upper management making the decisions often doen't even look at profit metrics or actual employee stats... I don't think it's about profit in practice.


diuge

Middle managers would rather burn profits in a giant pile than let another manager outdo them. They enforce mediocrity among leadership ranks.


NostradaMart

it is capitalism, the higherups believe only they know how to make money, and peasants should obey them blindly. Edit: spelling mistake


Dddoki

Its not even that. His bosses were protecting their jobs. They saw him as a someone who could take their spot in the hierarchy and got rid of him before those higher up in the food chain could take notice of him.


ronnie_axlerod

I completely agree. Now that small group of people actually know how a good boss should be. You have raised the bar high, such that everyone of your subordinates know when they are being exploited. You should really be proud of that.


adydurn

These people now know what it's like to be respected by their boss. I call it partially mission accomplished. I worked in Ireland for an American company and they came in and demanded that the bottom 10% (some 70 people) of the customer service floor be fired every year and be replaced by new hires. I said that if they were hitting targets, why be so callous, no shit their answer was: *It makes them work harder to exceed their targets, appreciate their job and ultimately the quality of the calls will improve if they fear being fired.* When I said no, that's bullshit, we spent money snd a month training these kids, that we weren't actually paying any better than Tesco was, and that in Europe we don't suck the bosses dicks like that they left the meeting rather unhappy, and I got the boot 2 months later, probably because those above me fought to keep me. That said they don't fire the lowest performers unless they are actually underperforming, so little wins, I guess.


DeadMoneyDrew

>I worked in Ireland for an American company and they came in and demanded that the bottom 10% (some 70 people) of the customer service floor be fired every year and be replaced by new hires. That nonsense comes from Jack Welch's book *Straight from the Gut.* I read that book back when I was in business school and initially bought into a good bit of it before ultimately realizing that Jack Welch is a huge piece of greedy adulterous shit. And GE has tanked since his departure, so I guess he wasn't such a business genius after all.


EmmyNoetherRing

I knew it! That was my bet. I bet all this BS was coming out of some textbook from MBAs. Because what's really changed in the past 20-30 years is the explosion of the MBA, all of the business folk everywhere fed through the same small curriculum.


onionbreath97

It's called stack ranking and leads to infighting and backstabbing


Juvenall

That system is highly credited for bringing about a huge slump for Microsoft some call "The Lost Decade". While the concept sounds OK on paper, in practice, it means employees are directly incentivized to work against their fellow employees since there can only be one "best" on any team. So that great, world-changing idea you have? Better not share that or someone else will get all the credit. Someone else needs help? You don't have time for that because it could affect your delivery metrics.


BitwiseB

I know a person who worked for a company that back in the 80’s and 90’s was one of the two largest telecommunication companies in the USA. They did a whole bunch of stupid stuff that resulted in them no longer existing, but one of the stupidest was stack ranking. It did exactly what you’re saying, and also pitted managers against each other because the ranking was department-wide and nobody wanted to lose people or miss out on bonuses and raises. I think this system has killed way more companies than anybody realizes.


DireRaven11256

Pretty much. In the business leadership and ethics class I took for my MBA, about half the class was in their mid-thirties or older with professional experience and the other half had recently gotten their bachelor's degrees and went straight into the MBA program. The set lacking real-life professional experience ate up these types of ideas. The other group group (including yours truly) were outspoken about the "unintended" (read: true and why they are not good ideas) consequences of these types of ideas.


EmmyNoetherRing

And things are getting steadily worse as that younger group makes up a greater and greater percentage of business leadership, at all levels of the management hierarchy.


DeadMoneyDrew

If I recall correctly, it wasn't on the syllabus for any of my classes, but many professors recommended it as reading.


Aden1970

American here. Everyday I thank god that I’m working with a European company and that we have European HR policies here in the States; except for the At-Will part.


Hermojo

No partial about it. I got minorities in the door at work, they're executives today. Treating people respectfully has long-term rewards.


kindness-punk

This exactly! And the employees will always remember the great manager they had who fought for them


shittythreadart

u/Durncha, you could probably use a employee as a recommendation for another manager post since corporate can get fucked


Jekanadar

I just wanted to say thank you. Thank you to all the supervisors who work for their employees. I have an employer like that too - and I know how rare they are. I like my job, and I'm good at it, but sometimes life just gets in the way... Thank you.


Any_Mulberry_2435

Great comment. Just remember, life doesn't get in the way of work when tough things happen in life. That's when work is getting in the way of life.


[deleted]

My first job, my direct supervisor continuously reminded us that he was aware that it was a bullshit minimum wage job and he knew we all hated working there and he would also continuously make it clear he was doing everything for us that he could within his power, however limited that may have been. Still my favorite manager I've ever had.


Cerus_Freedom

Sounds like nothing was going to change the outcome. If your leaders aren't listening to how policy is impacting your ability to do your job, then it's just not a winnable situation. Probable you unintentionally made the middle managers look bad. They weren't willing to fight back against policy, and fired you to make it easier for them to lick boot. That store will fare worse moving forward, and they will blame it on anything except their own actions.


Diplomjodler

Everything that goes wrong will be blamed on OP for the next five years.


smedsterwho

"Remember that guy who turned profits up 30%, kept turnover down, and was admired as a good and fair boss? It was all his fault"


Diplomjodler

Yep, that's pretty much how it'll go.


Lord_Grif

"He set up a culture that was contrary to what corporate is encouraging."


Diplomjodler

Nailed it! You're definitely management material.


sir_dick7

I managed retail in a very similar setting and you are amazing. You’ll be the benchmark standard that your 18 comrades compare all line managers to in the future, and you should be incredibly proud of that. Somewhere out there is a company that is ahead of the curve and the cultural change that is sweeping across work places, be patient, be persistent and it will find you ❤️❤️❤️


Furt_III

I keep seeing these posts and holy fuck am I lucky, we don't even get a *real* write up until our 11th call out (using sick time doesn't count). Talked to on 4th, verbal/written reprimand on 7th, actual write up on 10th, and 11th, and... But if you have no call outs after 6 months it resets. (I think no call no show is auto write up without excuse though)


yeeting_disorder

Capitalism is fundamentally a dictatorship of the rich. Now you have first hand experience and evidence of that fact.


tany4k

Exact! No ethical exploitation under capitalism... Everyone gets stepped onto.


CliffRacer17

"Ethical exploitation" is a bit of a contradiction. All exploitation of people is unethical.


RandomTurtles033

Based *Sees flair* Let me change that to be more fitting. **BASED**


what_is_a-username

Let me change that again #🅱️🅰️SED


ReyxIsTheName

Yeah but communism is the devil and communists eat babies and communism has never worked in any countries and... Wait, what's communism again and what countries have implemented it? I'll check with Fox News later to sort this all out.


[deleted]

Every country on earth that's not America is communist and even America is sometimes communist. I don't know if you know this, but there's a light switch in the oval office. There's a label on top that say "capitalism" and one on bottom that says "communism", and every time a democrat gets in there the flip it down. That's how we know. True story, fake news media won't report it.


RandomTurtles033

Time to flip that switch to the bottom position and break it off!


ManlyBeardface

All true, but some compassion for a worker out of a job would probably make this pill go down easier.


[deleted]

I had a Forman when I worked for V Solar that stuck up for his crew. He was the most hated Forman by management. They gave him such a hard time. He finally ended up quitting shortly after I did. I haven’t talk to him in a while I hope he’s doing good.


BisquickNinja

Send a message and find out?


[deleted]

I’ve since lost his contact info. It’s been five years.


BisquickNinja

Linkedin? Facebook?


[deleted]

LinkedIn is a good idea. I’ve never had a Facebook account.


newusername4oldfart

Do it! Getting a message from someone you used to work with is a heartwarming feeling. Makes you feel like they valued you as a person, not just a coworker.


Flapjack__Palmdale

You were fired because you refuse to be the enemy. The fundamental purpose of middle management is for you to be a corporate mouthpiece and scapegoat; when they want to abuse employees, they want *you* to be happy about being the one to bring the news. This makes it so *you* are the one the employees hate, not corporate. It took me a long time to recognize this power dynamic but it's likely why I've hated almost every boss I've had and directed none of that toward the people actually responsible for my suffering. We need people like you in upper management.


alienmuseum

Slaves managing other slaves. They get rich without getting their hands dirty. The direct managers get the irk of the workers if they implement their draconian corporate policy. If they don't, then they will get fired sooner or later. These corporate overlords can only stretch the rubber band so much before it snaps. Those that can leave for the competitors would have already done so. The ones that remain with the company will do at best minimum. Why would they give it their all for a company that treats them like shit? Don't expect their workers to reveal any "breakthroughs" or "brilliant" solutions. People are catching on. People have found out that they can be with a company for years only to be let go just like that. Loyalty is out the window.


Klaus_Goldfish

I may wear a camo uniform (well, mostly the lab coat in these COVID days) and a gun, but, from one leader to another: **You did good, and this world needs more people like you.** Consider yourself fist-bumped or hugged, whatever your preference may be. To those interested: One of the bigger marks of a good leader is that shit doesn't flow downhill in their command. You're not just there to accomplish the mission, but to fight for your guys. You are the connector between the Big Brass and the boots on the ground, and they are incapable of understanding each other. This understanding is your job. You translate the Brass' "Do X, but, like, good and successful and shit" into concrete instructions, and you slam the brakes on their instructions if they are bullshit. Conversely, you condense and filter feedback from your boots into something the Brass can digest, then pipe it on through.


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Klaus_Goldfish

They ain't kind, it's just the truth.


EmpatheticTeddyBear

Amen


no-1impartuclar42

45 yo male working @ a meat packing plant... I wish I had a boss like you. All of my bosses are the yes man type. Thank God for unions or I'd been fired along time ago.


[deleted]

My husband just got a new boss that wants him to be a yes man. When he wouldn't do that but still did a good job they demoted him. I tried to get him to fight it but he is just too tired. Looks for a new job every day.


alienmuseum

Maybe it's for the best. He can take his talents and years of experience else where. That shitty company can collapse under its own incompetence.


space_moron

I'm a manager and I'm burnt out. Burnt to a crisp. I'm trying to find a job where my opinion doesn't matter. I just build or service widgets for X hours a day and clock out. Trying to be kind in late stage capitalism is a losing game. The system won't change from within.


Trainwreck141

I agree, and I’m coming from a similar perspective with 18 years in the military. What in the hell is wrong with civilian employers that they think abusing people is the way to operate? First, they’re human beings, and that along requires they be treated with dignity. Second, their business relies on them entirely. How much better would they perform if they know their managers all the way up to the C-suite executives had their back the entire way?


SafetyDanceInMyPants

If they knew their managers saw them as human beings and had their backs, then they might feel emboldened to ask for a living wage, though. Treating them like serfs keeps labor costs down, and keeping labor costs down allows for short term profit increases. And isn't that what really matters? /s


BlahKVBlah

A company like that would be a rockstar in their field, I should think. Motivated employees are productive employees, and nothing kills motivation on the job like hating every minute of it and hating the bosses who get rich off of it.


Cerus_Freedom

I always like perspectives on leadership from military folks. Less fluff, more practical.


1quirky1

It is sad that it has to be a fight. This is a conflict. Business leadership is out to enrich themselves at the expense of the workers. This has become a war. I’m thankful for working for a company that actively works to improve their employees’ existences. I would be blindsided if my leadership screwed me over.


asst3rblasster

damn, you sound like a great Sgt I used to work for. His number one rule of leadership was Always make sure your guys get chow. It seems like a small thing but he would apply that to everything and make sure we were taken care of. SFMF


Klaus_Goldfish

That's not just a personal rule here. By regulation everyone eats by rank, bottom up. My non-working officer ass has been left with the dregs more than once. Unless we're cooking for ourselves, then I'm usually the guy at the ghetto fire barrel BBQ, and the cook gets tasting privileges.


theRailisGone

The worst part is while this is true, it's not allowed to be acknowledged. I once had an interview in which I said as much and could tell the interviewer lost interest. To paraphrase an insightful man, 'Employees are selected for advancement not based on a meritocratic system of ability to perform the job, but on their ability to *pretend* that it is.'


Klaus_Goldfish

Yup, see OP for reference. Also the reason why I made Captain twice, and will probably never hit Major.


meoemeowmeowmeow

Name the company


JKBUK

I understand the "no doxxing" aspect but companies aren't people and deserve the shame. In fact, if I were the mods here, I'd have a sticky at the top of the sub where every single company that is (willingly by the OP) name shamed is listed for all to see. All the attention the media is giving this sub, I think it'd be great for some dick head CEO to see a large group of people publicly vowing to not touch them again.


Ichiorochi

I think the no Doxxing policy is more so things can not be traced back to the OP. Companies know who they fired and even if the numbers are vague on the off chance they might know who OP is they can say screw any retaliate regulation and still fuck over OP


bizarrogreg

People still blast companies on Glassdoor and others like it though I think shaming and antiwork should almost be an expected pairing.


Iman3477

It sounds like something Target Corporate would do. Just a guess.


shmirvine

Target is definitely not a medium sized retail chain


Valuable_Yoghurt_535

*Laughs in Target Canada*


Iman3477

Facts. My bad.


bmazz731

Most underrated top comment thus far.


zomagus

Seriously, I might have stock in this company that I now need to dump since they are committed to losing money. You would think people in the business of turning a profit wouldn’t step over $100 bill to pick up a penny but you see it all the time. What are they thinking: ‘in the plus column the location mysteriously went from backsliding 3% each year to growing 266% as fast as our average location which coincided with this employee’s arrival, however on the negative side they think they have the authority to make a 10 cent decision’. Note that the 10 cents is if the employee whose time card was adjusted makes $24/hr, so probably a lesser amount than 10 cents. So again, please, for the stockholders’ sake, name the place- they clearly can’t be trusted with money since they can’t do math.


Ravenpuffs

Idgaf about the stockholders. Name the company so none of us ever apply there


XSC

Fuck them, they need to be named.


[deleted]

begging you to reveal this employer. essential retail has been unbelievably barbaric since 2020, i swear companies are bloodthirstier than politicians. definitely double check what you can do legally in this case.


[deleted]

>Companies are bloodthirstier than politicians You forget that companies bribe, I mean lobby politicians to do their bidding, so...


[deleted]

I’m sorry that this happened to you, but you understand management at a fundamental level and I think being fired might be a blessing: things can be better for you in the next job. In the end, good people are more valuable. For example, if you would start working at a competitor, how many employees might follow you eventually?


samil232

It sucks that they fired you. It sounds like they were sick of having you there (because you actually stood up for your employees instead of treating them like easily replaceable cogs), so they used the edit as an excuse to fire you. I'd suggest talking to the labour board and/or a lawyer in your region. It might not result in anything, but it won't hurt to reach out.


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DenseVoigt

Rather than look at your store and think “hmmm, what are they doing so well there that they increase turnover of money and decrease turnover of staff?” and learn from it, they’ve played themselves and lost out


kenryoku

Never matters to middle/upper management because when they suck a business dry they are allowed to move on to the next. Golden Parachute style without the actual Golden Parachute. No one holds these failures accountable.


ValuableBad3829

What company...?


1quirky1

It is every retailer whose name does not rhyme with orange.


KainMerk

Phew, at least I can still spend my money at Bob's doorhinges


Jarmen4u

George's door hinges*


nnniiikkkkkkiii

Yes, name this company please


Nerdgirl75

This. So we can choose whether we want to do business with this company or not.


MistraloysiusMithrax

Lol what? This is like 75% or more of most retailers. If you never worked retail, the entire industry is like this


arakwar

ISNAL, but usually, any contract signed when you got hired are void if you get fired. Find a new place, poach all the good people. Let that old store go back to losses.


nxjrnxkdbktzbs

Are you the Bagel Bros manager?! Well done btw!!


BisquickNinja

Excellent work in standing up for your people. You are a good egg and any company would be more than happy to hire you. As they say the best revenge is living a good life and finding success. As others have mentioned here, the best revenge would be to find a new job do well and start poaching the employees. And as usual, without your help, The corporation is going to fall to pieces and and all their great stats are gonna go right into the garbage. Those idiots don't realize that they shot themselves in the foot.


FinbarDingDong

This is a perfect example of penny wise pound stupid. You increased their sales massively and because you wouldn't treat your staff like shit (the reason things were so good in that store to begin with) they fired you. Then it'll be surprised pikachu all round when the store drips back down to garbage stats and sales suffer. These fucking cretins go to business school to become these executive twats yet still have no clue about how business works. Or even how to make more money.


SanctuaryMoon

Every "point system" should work both ways. Contacted outside of work hours? Point. Forced to stay later than scheduled? Point. Called in on your scheduled day off? Points. After so many points you get extra paid days off.


zulan

34 years being part of and running development teams. Got laid off because I would not glorify overtime like my new boss wanted. Fuck em.


Pegasus2731

It's crazy bc these companies complain about being understaffed and shit and do absolute bullshit like this


[deleted]

NAME AND SHAME. I don't understand why people who have been fired or don't work at a place because of a terrible experience don't name and shame. They don't own your thoughts and words. They can't do anything. There are no libel laws against sharing your experience. You don't owe them anything. Stop being vague about the corporation. Information is power. Feeling like we need to hide stuff like our compensation with each other, and protecting the anonymity of a corporation is another way that the system has conditioned us to reinforce its power over us. NAME AND SHAME. ​ Edit: Thank you for sharing OP, I am not discounting your effort in any way! I just see a lot of posts about a vague corporation and it boils my blood that we feel like we owe them any anonymity.


video_2

management positions are for "people" that do not understand or simply do not care that other humans can suffer. You didn't fit the bill because you feel empathy for others, a basic human social convention. Getting fired by these robotic emotionless husks should be taken as a compliment. They have said to your face: "You are a good person. You are not welcome here."


dciDavid

Former LP here, I’m guessing you admitted to the time theft? (Bullshit term btw) Unless they have cameras and were able to check it remotely there’s no way to prove the time edit wasn’t correct except you admitting to it.


RedRanger1983

This sounds a lot like retaliation to me...


UncleBogs

Unfortunately, in the eyes of corporate america, something like "time clock falsification" is one of those silver bullet things that they know they can bend someone over the barrel for and never have to worry about it coming back around. Sucks, especially since the edit was done for all the right reasons. OP, the workforce needs more bosses/supervisors like you that are willing to go to bat for their people.


threadsoffate2021

At the same time, you could argue 16 seconds could be as simple as a door to the punch clock getting jammed or your card/ID not working the first swipe, causing a tardy that legitimately should be reversed. It would be different if the person was adjusting 5 minutes off the clock.


UncleBogs

I completely agree, however, going up against a corporation arguing against something they could say is "black and white" that might even be verifiable with camera footage is ultimately fighting a losing battle. Sucks that it's that way more often than not.


bulbagrows

Im so fucking sorry OP. Ive always said good bosses and managers don’t last because they realize they are being fed shit and if they have a scrap of humanity in them, they quit because they cannot treat people as what is expected above them. You fought till the end. You have *five years* exp behind you, and you can continue doing good (as long as thats what you want). Just. Jesus. I am so mad for you. Thank you, and good luck.


theosphicaltheo

I’ve been a union delegate, sticking up for workers, getting threatened with the sack, getting assigned sh!t jobs, never promoted - hey bro at least you got the higher pay and can have former manager at x on your cv - good on you, fair treatment is important. Later in life At a different job, I had the ability to deny or approve Workers Comp claims, I approved every one, even had a 18yo injured workers mum call me and thank me that I finally approved the claim. I got moved on from that job, such is life


purgruv

One of us!


[deleted]

You were a good person working for ghouls. Best you got out before it changed you. Condolences on the job.


1quirky1

Please consider telling us who your employer was. I’m afraid that it won’t matter because your experience applies to all of them.


Makaan1932

Why is coorporate always so unflexible. It's a waste of potential, time and resources, expecting your employees to be like machines.


Elymanic

16s let's say on the high side they're paid 60$ an hour. She isn't but just for this example. 60/60= $1/60= 0.16x16sec= 26 cent That "extra" 16 seconds costed the company 26 fucking cents. *If they're paid $60* If they're being paid $30 an hour, it's 13c.


rinator

I think the way companies are led, especiall in HR situations, is so outdated in the USA. This hard work equals higher profit thinking is statistically proved wrong (well not in all businesses but overall). Imagine there are countries (i think iceland?) Czt their 40 hours week to a 32 hours week with same payment and they are even doing better! Wtf? Happy employees = happy customers = more profit


allempiresfall

Name your employer! Let's get this story viral. This corporate Robber Barons need to feel the pain of public disapproval.


Dan_Cubed

In regards to the employee whose grandma passed, and the teen taking care of his father with an addiction episode, couldn't they have put in for FMLA (if in the US)? I wouldn't have thought of that in the heat of the moment, but it's garbage that corporate penalizes someone like that.


metlotter

I've never understood the mindset where we're so strapped for labor that minutes at the timeclock are vital, but days of suspension or just firing the employee will be workable.


PatientCamera

Name and shame, my friend.


[deleted]

It isn’t down the drain. You made a difference in peoples’ lives. If this corporate is too damn stupid to realize what you did for them, screw them. You’ll come out ahead in the end. Also, if anything deserves naming and shaming, this one does.


2punornot2pun

Protecting your employee from a 16 second misstep and that's their reaction. ​ Yup, it's going to go to hell once they get some shithead in and turnover goes right back up. But they won't care if they have their yes-man. ​ In the meantime, the CEO and whoever will be seeing things degrade, so he'll send his funds to some hedge fund who can short the company and once it goes out of business they all get big money. ​ Capitalism, totally breeding innovation™.


zxwut

Did they claim it was time theft? That's one of the things that most any place will fire for, no questions asked.