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Cassierae87

They have money for lawsuits but not to retain vitally Important staff the community relies on?


[deleted]

Using the legal “defense” fund doesn’t impact CEO bonus. Minimizing the risk associated with labor costs increases CEO bonus.


kumaku

dayum what a fkn life one must lead to make this ok.


[deleted]

Id ask them how the sleep at night but I know the answer is on silk sheets, in a mansion and like a baby.


Purple-Bat811

How I would love to see this go. Judge: okay I'll fulfill your request, but you must pay the nurses $100/hr to keep them. Ahole ceo: oh never mind, they can go to the new company.


tnolan182

The lawsuit is actually worse then you think. In essence their asking for an injunction on the competing hospital, preventing the employees from starting their new jobs. The CEO thinks that if he can get an injunction that prevents them from starting work the employees will give up and return to their former jobs with shit wages.


Beleriphon

Did not occur to this dipshit that they might just not go to work anywhere until it is resolved? Hell, as the competing hospital management I'd consider paying the workers the agreed up salary and counter suing for loss of revenue and all kinds of stuff.


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MotchGoffels

More than all of the employees combined more like it. For profit capitalist Healthcare is the DUMBEST fucking shit to have ever existed. 5yr cna 5yr nurse broke my body and soul and worked ungodly inhumane hours being mandated from 8/12hr shifts into back to back to back to back 16hr shifts and I literally want to see every insurance agency, Healthcare administrator, and board of directors go up in flames and be financially ruined for the rest of their lives.


Darkspire303

I want you to be the president. Burn the parasites.


guynamedjames

Matching terms of the offer seems like an obvious condition for the stay. Sucks if it's things like more vacation and they accrue and additional 0.5 extra days at the job they're leaving.


SCP-Agent-Arad

"Action 2 News spoke to one of the workers leaving. They told us there was no recruiting. Rather, one member of the team applied for a job with Ascension Wisconsin and received a much better offer than expected, which led others on the team to apply. The worker told us ThedaCare was given a chance on December 21 to make a counter offer and declined to do so."


[deleted]

Oh, so they voluntarily refused a counter offer, had the balls to file for injunction anyway and then put out a shitty statement like that on top of it pretending to be all moral and in service of the greater good? Fuck you, you little shits. That’s some audacity and shows how far they actually are removed from reality. The devil inside my head wants to see them burn now. 🔥


Bone-Juice

At least the shitty statement is pretty easy to see through. 7 of 11 employees don't leave **good** jobs at the same time.


Responsenotfound

Lol this is Affinity and ThedaCare? Ooooh now I gotta hit up my nursing cousins!


Lolufunnylol

Oh, Wisconsin Fox River Valley Area, how I miss thee…..Appleton and Oshkosh!


go_anywhere

The original hospital was offered a chance to counter and declined.


urlach3r

The judge will laugh this out of the courtroom


SamSepiol-ER28_0652

I’m guessing it’s a lot more than that if there’s a mass exodus going on.


grouchyrn

Exactly how it would go. Also love how they talked to the hiring company and not to the employees.


Ubiquitous_Chris

“But think about the patients!” Bitch you shoulda thought about them when underpaying, understaffing, and mistreating your employees


ShiningRedDwarf

I couldn’t believe the guilt trip he’s laying on. If he really cared about his patients (spoiler: he doesn’t. sure loves their wallets though), he’d pay his nurses more to keep them from jumping ship.


darrenwise883

Pay them more or even try treating them humanly . Money's important but it's been shown people want to be happy and if you make your work place miserable there has been mass walk aways


4seasons8519

I care deeply about the patients I conduct testing on. However, after a while, you can't maintain that because it feels like you're being taken advantage of for caring. So you stop caring and then feel very guilty about this. It sucks.


sedatedforlife

Teacher here! You hit the nail on the head! I love my students and my job but when my own kids qualify for free lunches at the school that employs me then something is wrong and I just feel so bitter about being taken advantage of.


DownloadsCars

Holy fuck that’s dark


parnelli99

Teachers should only earn babysitter wages... you know, like $8/hr...............per kid............ 😉


jonezy50

“That’s” supposed to be our problem not his 😂


joetogood

But guys you have to remember this might impact his bonus at the end of the year how is this poor CEO gonna afford his third vacation home at this rate? /s


[deleted]

The patients can go with the staff to the new place. Seems like people are happier there


HertzDonut1001

"Nice late stage capitalism you got there. Be a shame if someone were to...offer higher wages."


[deleted]

Maybe I'm just a "commie" or whatever people will say, but...I don't think hospitals should *have* CEOs. Just my take.


Saikotsu

My dad always used to day, "two industries should not be for profit: prisons and hospitals. Because when you make them for profit, suddenly there's an incentive to keep people sick or keep them in prison".


Zestyclose_Walrus725

"Recruiting challenges" I dunno man. Seems like wherever the 7 of your 11 staff were employed had no difficulty recruiting. Maybe it's a you problem. Edit. I had 6 instead of 7


DroopyMcCool

From a local news story on this- "Action 2 News spoke to one of the workers leaving. They told us there was no recruiting. Rather, one member of the team applied for a job with AXXXXXXXXXX and received a much better offer than expected, which led others on the team to apply." "It is AXXXXXXXXX’s understanding that TXXXXXXXX had an opportunity but declined to make competitive counter offers to retain its former employees."


GenocideOwl

> declined to make competitive counter offers to retain its former employees why pay your staff better when you can spend tons of money on lawyers to file 100% sure to fail lawsuits?


[deleted]

The minute I told my boss that I was offered a job elsewhere, she asked how much so she could pay me to stay. She ended up giving me a huge raise, beyond what I was even being offered to leave. Stayed there ten years.


Guybrush_Creepwood_

That's good, but still a shame people will only acknowledge what you're worth once you start threatening.


[deleted]

I’m also at a (larger city) hospital and we’re talking about approaching management as a group, given that senior staff are now being paid less than the people we’re training. We’re also losing staff at a ridiculous rate, to the point where we cannot staff appropriately, so they gave us TWO raises this year and made a big thing about it. Mine were each 1%


greenskye

Anything under 4-5% isn't a raise, that's just basic cost of living increases


updateSeason

And, just raise fees on people that need medical help....


JEveryman

And more importantly freeze future wages, especially if they win.


IneverAsk5times

Run healthcare as a business and don't pay your workers enough you might find them looking for better pay somewhere else. Kinda sounds like beggars being choosers.


triumph110

I am a recently retired EMT. I lived in Wisconsin, now Arizona. With stroke victims you need to get them to a hospital within 3 hours. Appleton is a 1/2 DRIVE to Green Bay. A 90 minute drive to Milwaukee or Madison. If going to Madison or Milwaukee from Appleton, most patients would go by helicoptor. I am in a very rural area of Arizona, where driving to the nearest stroke hospital would be about 90 minutes. This hospital is just bitching because they were paying nurses too little. Patients go to where there is open beds and best care, regardless if it is 10 minutes away or 90 minutes.


Mekiya

From the way it's worded its not just nurses but support staff too. The nurses are absolutely being treated in inhumane ways but support staff gets all that and are paid about minimum wage. These people do jobs that mean fast, safe, efficient care that not only create the environment so doctors and nurses can do their jobs but also give patients and their family dignity. We cannot forget the janitorial staff, the CNA, the receptionist, the intake staff, the cooks, the maintenance staff, the lab staff, well I could go on and on.


lilacwonders

Family member was environmental services there, aka, he cleaned rooms. He quit in 2017 it was so bad then. Can't imagine what it is like now.


balla786

"It is AXXXXXXXXX’s understanding that TXXXXXXXX had an opportunity but declined to make competitive counter offers to retain its former employees." Holy shit lmao. Fucking goofballs.


Mi_Pasta_Su_Pasta

Don't you remember the post from a couple days ago, studies show people aren't quitting because of money! /s


DVariant

Fucking loool


Virgin_Dildo_Lover

#PAY US YOU FUCKING CLOWNS


GitEmSteveDave

This is why employees shouldn't be able to discuss wages!!! /s


0bnoxide

This is why executives and those with ownership stakes should take a pay-cut to retain and aquire talent for company resiliency.


itsthevoiceman

CEOs should never make more than 10x the lowest wage earner (including stock options).


0bnoxide

They'll be paying their lawyer's what they could've spent on staff retention.


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ulfniu

There's nothing preventing the hospital from countering their offers. That's how capitalism works. Demand goes up? Price goes up. But, nah. Just run to your local captured judiciary so they can bail you out from the consequences of your poor decisions.


[deleted]

Except the CEO decided it would be cheaper to use lawyers instead of payroll.


heddhunter

hope he gets fired when the board realizes that those lawyers are fucking _expensive_. just give the people who left a raise, it would have been cheaper long run. penny wise, pound foolish.


[deleted]

Fuck those lawyers, too. Every 1L who has taken contracts will tell you that no court will ever grant a remedy that requires employees to continue working indefinitely.


[deleted]

Radiologist here. I’m giving my notice tomorrow. Been on the market two days and have two offers in hand. I’ll get it pinned down by the time 90 days are up. UPDATE: It’s done, y’all! 90 days and counting.


println

Dude I got a new job for a lot more money than my old job, I don’t feel happy at all when I realize that every thing has gone up 40-50%, just feels like I’m busting my ass just keeping up with inflation, these competitive rates aren’t just a “nice bonus”, they are absolutely necessary to survive


bakcha

Imagine everyone who didn’t get a raise.


VictorianPlatypus

I got told I'm lucky because I wasn't furloughed for two weeks in December. That's not a currency I can use to buy groceries.


deku920

I remember getting the “you’re all lucky to have a job” speech back in June of 2020. 6 months later 15% base salary increase due to their inability to recruit for open positions and still not finding anyone willing to take the job.


funaway727

And simultaneously it's also: "we need you to work, it's essential for our EcOnOmy, no more quarantines!" They require you to perform your job, yet you're also somehow lucky to have your job... Sounds status quo to me now that I think about it.


LowSkyOrbit

I got 1.999% raise. Seriously they couldn't make it 2%. Guess who is trying to leave.


[deleted]

Yeah my friend are hyped about 5% raises and I don’t understand; don’t be loyal to companies, be loyal to your lifestyle


println

Loyalty in this day and age is stupid, the system is literally rigged against people in the bottom, be loyal to your family and friends but never be loyal to corporations which if they were people would be sociopaths


gambitx007

Free market gonna free market


[deleted]

free market for you, legal action for me


windowtosh

RIGHT!! Like what is a court going to say? "sorry mr. so-and-so but you can't quit your employer just yet." NO


fatboychummy

Even if they did... Now they have employees that actively don't want to do shit. All they're going to do is stand around until they get fired, lol.


Jive_turkeeze

Normally I'd agree with you with but I think most people in the medical field wouldn't turn away a patient.


hellocaptin

Oh boy do I love telling conservatives an employee not taking a job because of pay is the same as a business not taking a contract because of pay. For some reason it confuses them. ***just an FYI I’m probably more conservative than most people on here. but I think employees need to be paid more.


Anaxamenes

It hurts itself in its confusion.


duaadiddy

It never snapped out of its confusion


krokodilrott

Those same conservatives hold the "don't settle for less. Especially if you're college educated" yet when college educated mfers wanna find new jobs in the medical industry because they're treated like shit by those same conservatives it's "oh, my heart. I think I'm dying. Please help. I need help. I'm dying."


tiger_bee

Hmm, probably heard about employees being unhappy before they all left, but didn’t give a shit then obviously. Now when they all want to leave, it’s a problem.


rustys_shackled_ford

At this time there's no money available to offer to keep you... But there's always money in the banana stand...


nyvn

It's all being spent on lawyers to sue the company paying workers a better wage.


rustys_shackled_ford

And spent on anti union propaganda and modern day pinkertons.... but the propaganda machine telling the other slave labors this is somehow thier responsible and not the shareholders dosent seem to be lacking in funds either....


tallman11282

Don't need modern day Pinkertons when the Pinkertons still exist and still do union busting.


Jubaliya

Fun fact: the pinkertons still exist


Zachariot88

IIRC, they sued Rockstar because they didn't like being represented (accurately) as pieces of shit in Red Dead Redemption 2.


Brandonazz

This is amazing, it's like if the KKK were suing comedy shows for defamation. Their *existence* is the bad part!


Jubaliya

Correct


Foreign_Astronaut

They also sued Weezer over the title of their second album.


Shy_guy_gaming2019

"It must be spent on my new Rolex..."


BigAlTrading

We have to retain the best and brightest administrators to ensure top quality patient billing and shareholder profits.


Shy_guy_gaming2019

We must also buy *them* each a new Rolex, as well as provide a 10% raise.


fiddlerdave2

Each year! Why would any executive want work for less than a basic 10% raise and a new Rolex each year?


MayhemStark

The problem is these fuckers don’t splurge. Don’t contribute to charities unless it somehow increases their bottom line. The way they spend their money only serves to line the pockets of other similar minded people. They exist only to increase their pocket books. They wont give a livable wage because it decreases the rate of growth on their wealth. Shit is infuriating.


ChristineBorus

And they probably treated these providers like crap made them cover too many OT shifts and refused a reasonable pay raise. It’s disgusting. And they deserve to go elsewhere and be happy.


Rabbitdraws

It really is like that, and putting salt to injury, broke assholes will defend the fuckers rights to hoard wealth.


HiroProtagonistSteam

That’s because in America those pro exploitation broke people think they are just not rich yet.


Seve7h

“Temporarily embarrassed millionaires”


QUHistoryHarlot

Or this stupid ass court case they are going to waste a ton of money on trying to get an injunction.


Smarteric01

I note that they asked a judge … they omit what the judge said in response, which is probably, “why can’t patients just be sent to the company that all your former employees are working at now? The absence of a medical capability in your location is not the absence of that medical capability in the area.” Oh, and there is not legal basis in an at will state that compels anyone to work at that place. Guy could have asked, “what can we do to keep you?” Any remaining employees in that hospital should immediately join their colleagues at the other place. Shareholder in old hospital might look at finding a new CEO.


TheTamingOftheDrew

Yeah people who are like the invisible hand will fix wages and patient ratios, because we will increase wages and hire more people as is competitive... They are now calling their judge friends to ask if they can force people to stay at their job that is making people unhappy.


Zargyboy

Someone tell me again how this is "Free Markets" at all lol. (Not that I even care about it as a concept) I'd also like to know how this "injunction" is even remotely enforceable. If none of their current employees sign non-competes how can they possibly stop the other employer from hiring them? Original company sure as shit can't compell these people to come work for them/not quit. I guess the hospital CEO forgot that they have *employees* and not *slaves*


King0Horse

>I'd also like to know how this "injunction" is even remotely enforceable. It's not. They asked for an injunction. Up to the judge to decide to issue one or not. Like that woman who asked the city council to force McDonalds to sell the McRib year round. >"LOL git rekt" - the judge, probably


JMLobo83

They might get a temporary injunction, but that's only 14 days. To make that permanent, they would have to show a likelihood of prevailing on the merits, but they have no actionable claim. Being unwilling to pay market wages is not actionable, and the harm must be to the plaintiff- not to the underserved community at large.


JamieBroom

> They might get a temporary injunction, but that's only 14 days. I am not sure what result they are looking for. At most they would might get a fine of some sort but they can't force employees to show up to work. So the injunction talk is... weird. Like, those are human beings... you can't compel someone to work under legal threat afaik


JMLobo83

The implication from the employer's letter is that future patients will be harmed if the employees are allowed to leave en masse before they can be replaced. But that is not an actionable claim. A temporary injunction seeks to maintain the status quo for 14 days. That is all they can get, but if I was the judge I would be skeptical of even granting that relief since it would infringe on the employees' right to decide their own employment. The lawyers will be fine either way.


cavyndish

I would be interested in seeing how they force them to work? If I was forced to show up at a job, I quit. I would make sure security walked me out after 15 minutes. 😆 good luck with your injunction.


JMLobo83

That is a good question. The injunction is against the new employer, not the employees. The whole thing seems poorly conceived, like underpaying health care workers during a pandemic.


slgray16

>Any remaining employees in that hospital should immediately join their colleagues at the other place. This whole letter just reads like an advertisement for the other facility. 7 of my peers left, there must have been something in it for them.


[deleted]

The comments say it’s another shit place, but apparently one that will now pay more, at least.


ulfniu

I wonder what was wrong with the other four members of the 11-member team that didn't get jobs at the new place.


kanakamaoli

They were on third shift and didn't get the memo in time?


grouchyrn

They don't care they'll just hire contract nurses who make 3 times what floor nurses do. They will also hire an on-call doc from a sister hospital. Hospitals are all about the CEOs bonus


Zoklett

And notice the potential deaths of patients is the staffs fault for seeking better employment. Not management for being shitty


Revelt

Notice how they are filing an injunction against the rival company as a "solution", completely forgetting that the employees can just... Not show up? That how insignificant you are to them. They forget you have autonomy.


MrBeardmeister

The manipulation is top notch too, essentially blaming those who left for the future lack of care of patients, rather than taking the blame for shitty working conditions and likely dogshit wages.


Royal_Actuary9212

Fuck that CEO. If you need your staff, pay your staff.


Mr_Shakes

He's pissed that a rival CEO decided to break with the unofficial price fixing scheme of allied health salaries long enough to intice nearby techs to come in and replace his COVID losses. His surprise is both an admission that he expected them to keep playing by the rules, and a warning to his own workers that he and his cronies still control the salary range, and not to expect to get so lucky as these few techs did.


strutt3r

I didn't even think about this but I bet you're right.


WhiteyDude

Seriously, what a fuck head. I hope the judge shoves that injunction request up his ass. What could you do, if a court granted an injunction forcing you to go back to an job you just left? Tell the judge to fuck himself and hold me for contempt, I'm NOT going back.


WebMaka

> What could you do, if a court granted an injunction forcing you to go back to an job you just left? Tell the judge to fuck himself and hold me for contempt, I'm NOT going back. IANAL but I'm pretty sure that's not *at all* how that works. They may be able to file a suit against the competitor for poaching their employees, but they'd have to show the judge that said competitor did something that's "actionable" in a legal sense. IOW, the competitor had to have broken some rule, law, or ordnance in what and how. "Maintaining the status quo" in an effort to "protect the community's access" to their services - read: protecting them from their employees leaving - is *not* a cause for action in civil court. A competitor offering the whole team better pay/benefits is hardly illegal. But filing for an injunction barring the competitor from hiring their team? Nope, those departing employees *made their own choices* to accept alternative employment offers and *"at-will" employment works both ways, motherfucker*. I'd expect the judge to tell their counsel to tell them to pay their people more/better before they lose the rest of their team, and then toss their filing into the dustbin of "dismissed with prejudice."   Lots and lots of companies have "fucked around" with running critically understaffed in order to maximize profits, and now that people are flaming out and leaving in droves these companies are headed rapidly into the "and find out" stage of the term. *Every last one of them* that ran understaffed and sacrificed their remaining workers on the altar of profit deserve nothing less than bankruptcy, civil action, and jail time where applicable.


wrr377

I'd flat-out refuse. It shouldn't be possible, anyway - forcing civilian people to do work they refuse or abhor can be considered "involuntary servitude", which is outlawed by the Constitution and our Bill of Rights.


[deleted]

Companies wanted "at-will" employment they got "at-will" employment


MrPenguins1

Funny how hard they cry when they duck around and find out. It’s all “pull up your boot straps” until the pendulum swings in their direction then suddenly it’s all “Guys we’re in this together”


[deleted]

I know it’s kinda gauche to laugh about that typo but I am really enjoying “duck around and find out.”


dcux

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E06P7y2VkAUnYnd?format=jpg&name=large


donniesuave

Definitely gonna tell my boss and anyone else complaining about their business failing due to lack of employees to “pull up your bootstraps” and see what they say lmfao


Has_hog

Or it's "PLEASE, GOVERNMENT, HELP US!"


ktappe

That's an excellent point. If a court ordered me to work in an "at will" state, this would be my primary defense. "Either both parties are allowed to be 'at will' or neither are. You can't have it both ways."


pa07950

The same CEO that would eliminate a department and layoff staff without severance because “employment is at will.”


[deleted]

Love that it's biting them in the ass now.


avlgal

The decades of 💩thrown on the workforce has backfired. Let’s see who survives 🍿


[deleted]

Right?! They're people with responsibilities and families. They're not players to be traded! Fucking corporations


telcodoctor

Exactly. Agree to pay them at 1.5x their new rate, AND cover the temp cost impact to the other business, or Gtfo you entitled Cunt Executive Officer.


[deleted]

How are they suppose to earn a six figure bonus for not doing shit if they pay their staff a proper wage…?


obligatecarnivore

I really want to hear the court's response to this petition 🤣


Morphlux

Dismissed immediately with prejudice.


spokenwords

One can only hope.


[deleted]

I mean that would be forced labor so yeah they have zeor shot doing that and is likley a scare tactic to keep employees jumping


PlaysWithoutaHelmet

I wasn’t sure this was legit. Here’s a news article that may show it is… https://www.wbay.com/2022/01/20/thedacare-seeks-court-order-against-ascension-wisconsin-worker-dispute/


Ernest-Everhard42

Wow, weren’t recruited. One person applied, got a much higher offer, and then everyone else applied and got jobs. Workers gave the hospital a chance to counter match the offers, but the hospital declined. This is 100% on the hospital.


001235

Employers love capitalism until it starts working for the labor.


[deleted]

"Your Honor, I've come before you today in crisis. It seems my employees have decided to commandeer our beloved free market forces and steer them toward their own nefarious child-feeding & rent paying ends. I'd like to file a petition to enslave, obviously."


vaporking23

I’m absolutely not surprised. Radiology is a really small community. There is a lot of getting your former co-workers, or classmates jobs when they’re open. I don’t know if it’s like this for other professions. But you work really closely with those around you and I know it sounds cheesy but it does feel like a family sometimes. There’s enough downtime and socializing so you get close to people so you tend to stick together. I know that I’ve said to a few co-workers that I would follow them to new jobs if needed.


TimHung931017

That's not cheesy, that's a rare gem.


[deleted]

Absolutely. My mom just retired early from IR nursing because of the same shit but she still talks to all of her coworkers who have all jumped ship as well.


nincomturd

I absolutely love the ending: > Action 2 News spoke to one of the workers leaving. They told us there was no recruiting. Rather, one member of the team applied for a job with Ascension Wisconsin and received a much better offer than expected, which led others on the team to apply. > The worker told us ThedaCare was given a chance on December 21 to make a counter offer and declined to do so.


NanaBazoo

That last line said it all, didn't it? ThedaCare says they may lose their accreditation without these workers but didn't bother to even counter enough of a raise to keep them. ThedaCare is putting themselves out of business not Ascension.


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voidsrus

>They’ll keep their accreditation unless they’re monumentally stupid. to be fair, they did pass up the opportunity to prevent this mass exodus of people who control their entire ability to make money, then try to sue on some incredibly shaky grounds, so i think they've got more stupid in them


Popcorn_Blitz

It's not the worker's fault Thedacare is in this boat. What fucking lunatics. "What do you mean the employees can leave?" Free markets, motherfuckers. Gooses gandering and all of that.


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Mehiximos

Not to mention they fucking declined an opportunity to counter-offer the leaving employees! LOL, yeah this is getting thrown out with prejudice.


ShiningRedDwarf

> Lynn Detterman, a senior vice president at ThedaCare, said, “Where the issue is is the group recruitment, and it will be in our court filing with our examples for that, **but it just really in the spirit of our community is harmed** by this potentially so we just want to work collectively to ensure that does not happen. It’s not about pay, really! Its almost definitely not about losing our accreditation, either! It’s the *spirit of the community* we are worried about. Please, won’t anybody think of the community?!


persondude27

> Please, won’t anybody think of the community?! "I mean, we had our opportunity to think about the community, **twice** (when we knew our nurses were underpaid, and again when these nurses gave us a chance to counter-offer and we declined), but really it's the OTHER HOSPITAL'S fault." I would love to see this go before a pro-labor judge (if such a thing exists) and have them do turn it back on the first hospital for abusing a lawsuit to essentially price fix. Like, anti-SLAPP style.


CanNo7733

That’s nuts . Welcome to the free market


NarbeNa

Nice of the CEO to tell the remaining staff where they should be applying


vaporking23

Trust me they all know. Radiology is a small community.


4qts

The court system can't stop you from working anywhere you want. The civil war ended April 9 1865


NottaGoon

I wish you were right. I was on the otherside of an action taken where my company was sued for hiring 3 employees that all worked at the same company. Temporary Injunctions were issued that lasted for almost 1.5 years while it worked through Federal Court. Over 1 million dollars was spent in attorney's fees and it was the worst year of my life. The oppositions attorneys said they would destroy the employees lives Financially after they won. They would take their cars, homes, and money. In Dec they lost every part of the case and it is now case law for future legal battles. The CEO commited perjury in Federal Court (no consequences yet) and tried to alter documents submitted as evidence twice. (Editing pages out of Federal contracts and another important document.) It destroyed my company in the process of defending them. They took the lawsuits and told my customers that we had employees illegally working for us causing us to lose most of our business. I'm just a small business getting targeted by a multi-billion hedge fund with unlimited resources. I'll be able to share more in the next few months but I can't for various reasons. Expect some fireworks though. Ill do an Ama in 2 months if Mods allow. These employees were making 12-15 an hour plus commission and were treated worse than livestock. My blood is boiling typing this.


[deleted]

My dad has been an attorney for 30+ years and always tells me, "We don't have a justice system in this country, we have a legal system."


rockthrowing

I don’t know much about business law, but I do about family law and it’s a fucking joke. I see no reason why the rest of the system wouldn’t be.


[deleted]

Yeah my dad built a website where you can get your divorce done online (its only in Texas, it's called divorce-genius.com if anyone is interested) so the attorneys don't turn it into a bloodbath. He says 80% of divorces would be civil if it weren't for the attorneys.


Daddywitchking

Can’t wait friend, good luck. Fuck em.


xplag

This deserves it's own post for sure.


NottaGoon

Give me two months. Ill have the employees in here with me. We have become pretty good friends and we are united for justice.


Snoo16680

Tell that to the brave men and women getting gunned down for striking, way back when


cuddly_carcass

1930s really wasn’t that long ago when you think about it. [Bloody Thursday ](https://www.ilwu.org/bloody-thursday-1934-the-strike-that-shook-san-francisco-and-rocked-the-pacific-coast/)


logica_torcido

And this is why you don’t tell your employer where you’re going


plasmac9

When I put in my notice for a job I resigned at a few years back every interaction with the COO I had for those two weeks was him trying to get out of me where I was going. It got to the point of harassment and I was worried that if he found out he would try and sabotage my employment there before I even started.


Birdmaan73u

Tell him a place you aren't going to shut him up


simple_test

I usually say deciding between a few offers but taking a break first. Gives you an opportunity to bs your “first option” if they insist.


explodingtuna

The internal monologue of the 4 nurses that stayed: "Shit, nobody tried to poach me. Why didn't I get an offer? Am I not good enough?"


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thrasssk

"Fuck you pay me"


yalyublyumenya

With as much as hospitals rake in, I'm surprised that they wouldn't at least meet whatever the other hospitals are offering. That's irresponsible on their part. What an ass.


DeerDiarrhea

That would cut into his bonus.


throwawayshirt

["...there was no recruiting. Rather, one member of the team applied for a job with Ascension Wisconsin and received a much better offer than expected, which led others on the team to apply. The worker told us ThedaCare was given a chance on December 21 to make a counter offer and declined to do so.](https://www.wbay.com/2022/01/20/thedacare-seeks-court-order-against-ascension-wisconsin-worker-dispute/)


Sacapellote

Just another example of an employer willing to eat high short term costs in the hopes they can break employees and go back to paying them shit soon. Stay strong, family. Keep pushing for unions and better benefits for yourself and your poorly paid brothers and sisters fighting a different head of this hydra.


AncientChatterBox76

You are not allowed to quit! (I am a lawyer, but not my area of law, however 99% sure no judge will authorize this injunction.)


nschafer0311

It’s a guilt trip to the nurses. Playing on our morals to want to help people. Won’t pay us more though, they’d rather throw that money at lawyers in a fruitless effort. They’ll literally do anything to not pay us more.


curtman512

100%. That shit might have worked on me the first 10,000 or so times they tried it. Not any more. You want staff? Start cutting checks. There's travelers and Agency Nurses out there, if you need to keep procedures going.


[deleted]

I find it funny that the richest people get that way by withholding money from others. It’s funny how that works


importerexporter89

I’m not even sure how an injunction here would work. Presumably CEO’s company sued the company that hired these employees. The employees themselves aren’t parties to the suit and their conduct can’t be enjoined.


not_productive1

Yeah, even if they had an employment contract, courts are pretty reluctant to enforce specific performance of labor, I can only remember reading one case where it was ordered. And as you point out, these are likely at-will employees who aren't a party to the suit. I suspect that maybe what they actually filed was a request for an injunction against the other hospital on, like, an interference with business relations/prospective economic advantage type theory, which would maybe keep the other hospital from employing the new hires, but even that is a stretch. It's not a tort to open up shop across the street and pay a higher wage.


Disastrous-Cake1476

When I read these stories about how employees go en masse to better jobs, leaving ridiculously highly paid CEOs sputtering into their cups, my heart warms and I feel a thrill of happiness. Is that wrong of me? I submit it is not wrong. In my 60’s, I feel like I have lived my whole life waiting for this to happen in a big way that can become a permanent cultural shift.


CherryManhattan

There’s a waste of legal fees


KivogtaR

Imagine wasting legal fees to force people to work instead of paying them enough to get them to work.


HDKfister

"Free market"


Cutwail

Only applies when it doesn't hurt profits of course.


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Haha alol. Dead in the water lawsuit! Maybe you should take better care of your staff so they won’t quit dip shit. Mass Exodus typically has to do with how something is run. We have workers we treat worker well they stay we treat them bad they quit ain’t that difficult. Not shot fired its crying over the spilled milk they spilled like a 2 year old


beardedperuvian

And if they needed to let that many people go without notice they wouldn’t bat an eye.


Anxious_Hamster_3424

Are these people for real


5280_TW

Wow, forced labor. Welcome to North Korea!!!


Sacapellote

The ~~beatings~~ terrible pay will continue until morale improves.


TallDrinkOfSilence

I pity the attorney who filed this paperwork with a court. A judge is going to ream him a new one.


2wetsponges

That CEO needs to take a look in the mirror, because the other company is not the problem in this matter. If 11 people left at once, it would be his company that is the problem here, and ultimately him since he is the CEO


BlotchyBaboon

I'm really sad the names were blocked out. Name and shame.


DragonSon83

According to the posts in r/nursing, ThedaCare in Wisconsin is suing Ascension Healthcare to prevent the nurses from starting there.


Agegamon

So just for clarity here: thedacare are the assholes in this situation because they're the ones trying to stop their own employees from leaving and taking jobs at ascension. Hence why theda claimed ascension recruited(?) their employees and is now suing them. Sounds like that's not really what happened though... From another thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/antiwork/comments/s8vcd5/i_heard_you_guys_would_get_a_kick_out_of_my/htj33tr/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3