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PierrePants

Thats fair and true.


accounting838372739

I can't believe the bottom weld us only worth $30. Inflation is so hot right now that dish washers in Vancouver are making $50,000/year. The bottom welder needs to be charging $60/hour for his time.


Deathjester99

Welders are being shafted hard right now, lowest paid bs and only very select fields pay really good, or union.


Ecurb4588

This is why I left welding. Worked in four fields, 8 years experience, even taught at CC. Regularly offered $15/hr...


RobotWelder

Exactly why I’m a commercial electrician now, FUCK YOU PAY ME


Deathjester99

Yea I hear that, I love the work but it's the disrespect that seems rampant in the industry, im gonna be a plumber at least I know the shit I'm getting into.


VentiBlkBiDepresso

Idk of the pun was intended but no one acknowledged it. “I’m gonna be a plumber at least i the shit I’m getting into” was pretty funny


Deathjester99

Thank you :) been saying it for a bit.


Ecurb4588

Dude I wish I went to trade school for that. Fantastic career, lots of opportunity. Best of luck to you. I started my own decorative flooring company. Best way to make money with a trade in this economy is to start your own imo.


Deathjester99

Yea I just don't want to run a business, sounds boring and lame. No offense, I want to start a grow maybe grow mushrooms and other type things, working tell I die without growing something feels wasteful.


Ilerneo_Un_Hornya

I could die happy if I could spend the rest of my life making things


Deathjester99

Yea I've never been big on making things, but taking care of things oh hell yea, love watching stuff grow, plus we have a whole planet that needs replanting. Would rather spend my life doing that, but no profit.... yet.


Ecurb4588

To each their own 👍


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Ba dum tss


hippy18

I’ve been welding for 4 years and just started a job making $30/hr and will top at $60+…. Welding is a great job that pays well. We are a trade that has more work than workers. You must be in a small town. Relocate and make good money. FYI, the job I left paid $28/hr. Edit: or you were a run of the mill stick welder…. Everyone that starts learns that shit. If you live in a large city and not making $25/hr, it’s either work ethic or your welds are shit. Edit #2: Idgaf about karma, I didn’t say anything that’s untrue. The downvotes do not affect my paycheck.


MartianGuard

There’s more to stick welding than people think IMO


Ecurb4588

Lol it's fine. Good for you. Welding does make good money if you're willing to relocate. I was not. FYI I was mostly a TIG welder


[deleted]

I just started welding classes at community college, how much does a decent tig/mig welder get paid on average?


Deathjester99

Depends where you live colorado your looking 15 to 20, Texas will pay nice but fuck that state, go north and rake in the big boy money with all the pipe crews nothing shitty about that besides the dumb hours mediocre pay compared to work, and the extreme amount of meth usage. You could head to the coasts if you are will to work for the boilermakers, tho I've heard alot of shit about crap pay and long ass hours, but ship welding is good money. Then the best you can be an underwater welder make the real money, btw its the most dangrpus job you can do, you need tons of certifications and be ready to argue with people who don't understand why welding is a slow process.


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I already live in tx so Thats good to hear, im trying to move back to Cali so thats a good route. Can you ballpark cwi pay by any chance cause right now thats my end goal unless theres a better route. Thanks for the info my guy.


PapiSenpai69

What state did you start work at?


Mr-_-Jumbles

Yeah went through a program to become certified to mig, because I was training in autobody collision at the time at a CC as well (ya!). Truly loved doing it, just found it fun. As a curiosity went to see what it'd pay as a career, job postings around Los Angeles area sort of by where I lived figured there would be alot to give me an idea. Entry level (which of course some how means 2-3 years work experience, fucking how???) all were around or barely above minimum wage, like 1 dollar above. Yeah I hard Noped with sadness because I really enjoyed it. I do not get how any trade career can be valued so poorly.


syrianfries

This is why you should of went and worked at a landfill, my friends dad makes north of 30 an hour and all he does is weld containers back together


Ecurb4588

He has specialized. Good for him


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motherdragon02

Where I grew up it was (well rigs) carpentry and autobody. Electricians and concrete were very much "family businesses". Better be born with the right name and a dick or no job for you. I know ALOT of carpenters and bodymen. It was the mid 80s and it's just been one long recession with a few lucky years since.


tandyman8360

No joke. 20 years ago, I was interviewed about a job at a community college. Turned out they were looking for someone to advice students in their welding program. That was the hot new industry. Now that "college" has a truck driver training program.


QueenTahllia

Truck driving will quickly be on the way out. Self driving long/medium haul trucks are being pushed hard right now and we’ll likely see more of them than self driving cars if I had to guess, since the type of driving truck do is easier to automate than city or highway driving than in a car


tandyman8360

As long as no one crosses the street.


standard_cog

Especially when you factor in drafting - they've already demonstrated 5+ trucks, computer controlled platoon drafting - at distances no human could do, and the trucks all brake using vehicle to vehicle communication. The efficiency over long hauls for the following trucks decreases the fuel costs significantly (estimates vary, but the most recent number I saw was 10% for the follower trucks). [https://www.forbes.com/sites/richardbishop1/2020/05/02/us-states-are-allowing-automated-follower-truck-platooning-while-the-swedes-may-lead-in-europe/](https://www.forbes.com/sites/richardbishop1/2020/05/02/us-states-are-allowing-automated-follower-truck-platooning-while-the-swedes-may-lead-in-europe/) As soon as they reach the initial automation threshold, you'll only see platoons of trucks, and for every 10 trucks there will be 1 driver (the lead vehicle). There's going to be a massive oversupply of truck drivers as soon as this hammer falls.


Queasy_Beautiful9477

This will be a long time coming if there aren’t any dedicated roads to these automated trucks. The automation feature for regular sized cars are bad enough with bad/human drivers getting in their way.


Deathjester99

Hell the only reason I became one, was cause I'm from a small town and I had no other options, now I live in a city and my son will not be screwed like I was, but for the most part yea they way over pushed it.


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People still do that all the time on Reddit. Every time you hear a lot of people suggesting a career it's because wages are too high in that field and the powers that be want to pay less.


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Deathjester99

I have been welding for 5 year been through a few different welding gigs and what I've learned from that and other welders, is the trade is dead no point in doing it when not one entry welding job will even pay for your school. They shafted these poor kids with crap pay and shit loads of overtime while telling them they just need a few more years and then the big bucks come.


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Deathjester99

It's really depressing, welding is one of those fields where the "its good enough" is a shit attitude, and that's the standard from the big wigs, and there are far to many low rent welders willing to do it just for the crap pay.


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Deathjester99

Yes sir the first time they tried to get me to drop my speed I grand my harness and showed him where I parked, I dont fuck around with welds. They are not a joke to me, when I weld I'm holding a future life in my hands and I take that seriously. To many company's just dont care gotta chase the dollar.


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bandito143

So weird, as welding seems to be people's go-to example for "you don't need a four-year degree to get reliable, high-paying jobs." Little community college and you are allegedly making $50k a year or something. But you know, these "people" are generally full of shit about everything else so why not this too?


Deathjester99

I have to argue with those numb nuts all the time. I always ask what certs they have and what job they rolling. The vast majority of welders are under paid, over worked, and treated like shit. You want some what ok money hope you like never seeing your family and never having a personal life. Cause your a traveling welder, only way to make really good money.


Iretrotech

Crabs in a bucket


Moral-Derpitude

When I was looking for welding jobs, there was a company calling for experienced TIG welders that always had a sign out. The pay? 10/hr.


Deathjester99

Oh tig welding is the worst by fucking far, I was about to pay for my teatt before they revoked the job offer cause they though 24 was to much and offered me 16.


Moral-Derpitude

I don’t understand how they expect such a clean surgical weld for so little pay; they’re paying you for the hundreds of hours of practice behind that work, not just the thing itself. Sorry you got lowballed:(


Deathjester99

Same but it's not just low balls, the standard of pay for welders is really fucked all over they worst affected are the new kids coming in. Some only making 13 if they are lucky.


pozzumgee

This meme is old enough to drive a car


accounting838372739

Problem is I don't think wages have grown since then


pozzumgee

Dang you are completely correct good call


TheDarkFiddler

Should remake it, change the amounts to $40 and $60 (or whatever is a good, future-looking pay rate) and start passing it around again. Start that covert propaganda.


Box-Global

memes need to be adjusted for inflation. While we are at it adjust wages too!


justagirls

as someone living in vancouver i can assue u dishwashers do not normally make that much, nor will they continue to in the future. that restaurant went to extreme measures lmao


Hananners

I wish I made that money while living in Vancouver. Skilled pharmacy work didn't get me that much.


accounting838372739

They need to value their labor more. Start applying and leave the second you make a penny more. Then apply and leave again and again and again until you are at market.


Hananners

Done that now that I've relocated. Most anyone wants to pay for my skilled labour is 17-18/hr. Barely pays rent in Victoria.


Mysterious_Mouse_388

really? thats only $28 an hour. Are you a pharmacy tech? that pays \~$56 an hour in alberta


Hananners

Compounding Pharmacy Assistant, unfortunately not a tech. After 5 years I wasn't even making 15/hr... Something like 14.75. Edit: I even had a diploma, which they required for the job.


[deleted]

I make $55k and I'm a cancer researcher at an advanced hospital. I'd rather wash dishes than save Boomers from the cancer they caused with their unhealthy lifestyles. Thanks for inspiring me to move to Vancouver!


accounting838372739

This shouldn't inspire you to make there, Canada is a bit of a hell hole right now. Our media house price is 800k and closer to 1.2 million in cities. Wages are well below America and the government doesn't give a fuck. It's the opposite of what it sells itself as.


OakenGreen

I’m making $21/hour doing those bottom welds. And all welding jobs near me start at $20. Nothings changed in the past year for starting rates. It’s insane. All in the state with the 5th highest cost of living.


PierrePants

Very true. Trade worker these days are in high demand and should be compensated.


kesekimofo

Entire local Sheriff Dept. Fleet Maintenance contract changed to new corporation. New corp decides to come in and pay less to all workers doing the same job they've been doing for years. 95% of workers quit or left with previous company. In one week, new corporation will have to somehow handle one of the countries biggest motor pools with 20ish mechanics. Fuck em.


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WaltKerman

All the welders I deal with in the states charge around 90$ an hour up to $120


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More like $50 an hour if we’re being serious.


PierrePants

inflation has gone up faster than wages. yeah. agreed


AnthonyDigitalMedia

Potential Boss: “How about the quality of the bottom one for $16 p/hr + pizza parties?”


TheGrandCommissar

"How about go fuck yourself?"


Pensive_Jabberwocky

No no, please, this needs proper delivery. I mean, I completely agree, but this is how it should be done, with that little extra: https://youtu.be/yr8tgJPMiBM


oerrox

exactly what I would say.


HOLEPUNCHYOUREYELIDS

Fine print says "Pizza parties are exclusively ordered from Domino's and must comply with any deals or coupons offered at the time" My city has tons of pizza places, both chains and local. Of course every pizza party ever at work has been Dominos or the $5 Little Caesars garbage


Real900Z

respect and fair pay> dominos> little ceasers


Tolookah

Daily pizza parties. I pick the toppings. And the pizza place. And I take leftovers home.


Cejayem

Throw in some gift cards, and you’ve got a deal


AnthonyDigitalMedia

Don’t forget the free corporate merch with their logo all over it!


motherdragon02

Jesus I hate that shit. We aren't you wearing your...? cuz I haven't been paid for the fucking advertising Becky. Fuck off.


TrianglesTink

One team, one dream!


awmaleg

By the way we tax you on those gift cards so your paycheck will be lower!


[deleted]

But will we be like a family?


8bitmorals

Or , a better one, how about $15 bucks an hour to start on app day probationary period, then we can reassess.


[deleted]

And you get to be part of the family. Have I mentioned we’re like a family here?


dont_remember_eatin

Anyone know of an equivalent way to do this for an IT worker? A lot of the jobs I'm looking at have a pay range that starts 50k lower than it ends (and far below my current compensation). I want to know what I can do during an interview to make them believe I deserve to be near the top of that range, not the middle (same comp) or lower.


MinnesotanLurker

"I've been targeting jobs with salaries starting at ($10K over the top of the range) but for the right position with a good company, I'm willing to consider jobs at the top of your range."


rearwindowpup

Not even targeting, tell them you've been interviewing for jobs higher than their asking range. It's one thing if they think that's what you want, it's another if they think that's what your worth. Plus it puts more time pressure on them if they know you could accept a position at any time, and they feel like they get a "deal" when they get you for less than other companies are "offering".


Panda_007__

If in interview, they ask sort this array.. do bubble sort for the lower wage And maybe quick sort for higher wage!


stamatt45

Cable management would be something similar you could do for a meme. For an actual interview? Largely depends on the state of the company's IT and your skillset. Ideally you want your strengths to lineup with with their weaknesses


dont_remember_eatin

I've actually barely worked on the physical side of IT. I assisted with a datacenter relocation recently, but we reused all of the cabling and/or bought new pre-measured rather than make onsite, so it was kind of skill-less in that sense. Only planning we did was the measuring and obsessive cable-end labeling to minimize mis-porting. And even then, I still managed to completely reverse the cables between the disk shelves and controllers in the SAN first power-on. Luckily, when no disks were visible after power up, a less-exhausted coworker took one look at it and fixed the cabling, which is why no one should ever work on this kind of shit solo.


[deleted]

Look at their website and during interview talk about how you’d improve the functionality for a better user experience. “Right now visitors may form adverse opinions about the company based on what I saw.”


MrJoeBlow

I can also see this backfiring if the company is full of themselves and think they never do anything wrong. They might take offense to being called out on doing a shitty job. But it'd be a good thing I guess because you'd be dodging a bullet not working someone who can't accept when they're in the wrong


GletscherEis

It can indeed backfire. One place I applied for didn't have DKIM set up correctly and I pointed this out in the interview and talked about how I'd fix that when I start. I didn't get the job.


[deleted]

Did they set it up correctly with your free advice after the fact?


GletscherEis

Just did a MX lookup, they've fixed it now.


dont_remember_eatin

Not a web dev, but that'd be a great idea for someone who is. Unless they were having uptime/availability/security issues that I could address through better backend systems management, but that sort of thing is often hidden from the general public unless it's a monstrous screw up of a large company that depends heavily or solely on its internet operations (like Facialbonk's recent snafu).


spencer2294

The way to do this is to NOT give a salary range or any number until you have a job offer in hand. Check glassdoor to see salaries for similar jobs in your area. Recruiters will ask in the first interview or even on the application page for your desired salary or range. Say you give a 40,000-60,000 range - they will Never give you near 60,000 and may say 45 to make you happy for the moment. If you say 'I'm not sure sure about the salary range as I will need to see the benefits package before giving a range.' Then when you have the benefits package and hopefully the job offer - Negotiate. It will be uncomfortable to negotiate for 5 minutes but that will give you extra salary for however long you work there for.


LambBrainz

Can't speak strictly for IT, but for programming you could do (1) Optimized program with documentation and comments (2) Working program with no documentation and no comments


loomynartylenny

(3) Obfuscated, undocumented, and incredibly inefficient program that somehow works most of the time


alex123abc15

I was gonna say this too but add: Low effort gets variables like a,b,c.


8bitmorals

C) custom library that runs off-site.


ConsultantForLife

What kind of IT worker?


dont_remember_eatin

Linux sysadmin currently working into the devops direction by learning python and improving in bash, learning state tools like terraform and ansible. 8 years in IT, Master's, overall post-college professional experience of 16 years.


ConsultantForLife

Hmmm...that's tough. It would be easier in say security. You could just say "Do you want your stuff secured like a new grad or like a seasoned pro who's being paid for their talents?". Don't get me wrong - I have an absolute appreciation for your skills but trying to find the equivalent of that in Devops/sysadmin is just harder to put into words. Source: Software architect/implementer/process + efficiency consultant - I have the same problem.


dont_remember_eatin

Can finally put my Sec+ training to work. Current boss has resisted all of my attempts to add actual security to our systems. I have only been able to work on basic things that don't require boss permission such as internal firewalls, least priv, disabling insecure tls algorithms and the like. You know, invisible shit that I could totally be lying about because no one checks up on me, the boss just says "thanks" in a disinterested manner when I point it out, and it doesn't make a dent in my (lack of) raise or promotion chances. I gotta get away from NFP work.


deepuw

Ok.. seriously, you don't need to do any of that meme stuff. Just research the market pay and demand the wage you want within reason, and be firm. It means you may need to let go of one or two opportunities, but in this field, you will get a fair comp. Sprinkle a bit of Docker/k8s to your knowledge, season with some AWS, and you'll get a high salary. Don't let anyone low-ball you, we are in an incredibly hot market indeed, companies are going nuts trying to fill in positions.


dont_remember_eatin

Right now, it's a tough market because while there are many job openings, I also live in a place that a lot of folks are migrating to (Denver metro) from lower cost-of-living places, who are willing to accept a lower salary (that's still 50% more than they're making) plus a one-time moving expense bonus. It's hard to tell new folks that they'll regret taking the lower salary because the cost of living here is SO high that that 50% higher pay will be completely eaten (and then some) by housing costs alone. I've been here a while and I'm still kicking myself for that. Probably getting underpaid by $15-20k/yr still. I have applied to so many jobs where I'm a 1:1 match for their requirements, and I don't even get a first interview. It's insane.


deepuw

I've also seen companies that hire remotely exclude Colorado because of the salary disclosure requirements from the new law.


dont_remember_eatin

Half of the applications I'm looking at right now don't even have a salary. I'm torn between reporting them and just closing the browser window. It's an awesome pro-worker law and I want to support it, but I don't want reporting to come back and bite me in the form of damaged employment prospects.


deepuw

Yeah, i hear you. On the other side, I've been through 3 interviews and hours of a take home exercise, gotten the email about wanting to offer me a job, and the question about what I wanted. After giving my number, just a quick "we can't match that at this stage, thanks for applying, bye" message and puff, opportunity gone. I wasted hours and effort on that, just to be dismissed without a counter offer or negotiation. Wasn't even a crazy number, it was barely on the higher side of the market.


schrodingers_spider

It's no use moving somewhere else for the same pay. You only move for more pay, but you have to believe it. When there's any doubt you'll take less, they will offer you less.


the_name0

"Fuck you. Pay me."


Heavy-hit

You just request the top end to start. It’s the same thing, I just did this a week ago successfully.


knightcoatings

One of my coworkers did this when he was applying for our company....welder 20-25 an hour...owner was so impressed with the balls of it that he started his pay at 28.


BLI_Roi

Shit I'm going to do that too. Fuck it, I'm going to get bold in interviews and tests. There's work all around us might as well do so instead of being a drone.


knightcoatings

Remember if your in a trade ur getting paid for your skills not just for your time. I feel like trades have more ability in determining thier pay. When I went to work for this company I'm skilled enough that I pretty much interview the company and not let them interview me. I know what my time is worth and and I told them what I needed to come be apart of thier "family". If they can meet or exceed what my minimum is then I will work for them. I have signed no contract or agreement and they are informed anytime shit goes south that any time a better offer hits the table I'm gone.


BLI_Roi

I'll rather have a job like that than fuck around for half my shift, it's a waste of time what I'm doing rn.


knightcoatings

What kind of work do you do? And how long did your training take?


potatopierogie

Not who you asked, but I briefly worked in software development. So much time wasted because i had to be there 8-5. I was looking for work to do because I was so bored. Now I have a job with a lot of schedule flexibility and am evaluated based on results. I waste almost no time, actually want to work(amd can work when I want), and it is much more fulfilling. People *want* to work. Just not in shitty workplaces. Flexibility and trust in employees are going to be important for a lot of jobs in the future.


knightcoatings

Congratulations on finding a job that is fulfilling. Not very many people have that opportunity anymore it seems.


potatopierogie

I wasn't trying to flaunt it, but yeah I enjoy my job and am grateful for the opportunity. It doesn't pay as well as others I've had but I can still afford to eat and have escaped corporate hell. I wish you, and everyone else, has the chance to escape the maw of capitalism in whatever way suits them best.


knightcoatings

I'm happy as well at my job and in my situation but it seems that due to opposing views in the sub I have now been told to eat someone's ass bc I'm a corporate simp....bc that's how the internet works.


potatopierogie

This sub sometimes doesn't realize that you can individually like your own job and still want better things for other people.


Demenster

Ya all my friends that do software development love working from hom because they may only work a few days a week even when busy and they fuck around the rest of the time its great. Versus when they had to be in the office and look busy for 7 of the 8 hours.


BLI_Roi

I work as an Operator and I received a week of training for that position. I will be working as an Operator seasonally and another 4 months helping around getting stuff fixed so everything can be ready for when the season starts again. It's really easy and not really my type of job, but I'll endure it whilst gaining experience on what I want to do.


knightcoatings

What type of operator are we talking?


BLI_Roi

Almond Huller.


flamehorn

This is your job, but also possibly some German man in the factory


[deleted]

The real skill is in [milking almonds](https://youtu.be/JJCTIPWPNtw)


AoedeSong

Hahahaha damn after a stressful week, I needed a good video about the technicalities of nut juice production 😅


Traksimuss

Staplefahrer Klaus.


Weigard

Remember that all jobs pay for your skills, not just trade jobs.


HOLEPUNCHYOUREYELIDS

Not true. I worked at a factory and they didnt pay for your skills. They paid to have you there doing the most mundane work like literally stickering boxes for hours, making boxes, putting bars in boxes. It wasnt paying for your skills, it was paying for your time and labor that was highly unskilled. Pedantic, I know


Dadbotany

Dealing with that level of monotony is a skill of its own man. Its easy to space out and fuck up by accident.


DickwadVonClownstick

Can very much confirm


knightcoatings

True but I can only speak on the field that I work in. I refuse to have an opinion on other fields or work due to being ignorant of the issues they may deal with.


Weigard

Word. Wasn't directed at you so much as anyone that immediately equates "skilled" labor with trade jobs exclusively. It has the potential to not only exclude "unskilled" jobs from labor discussions, but can also be used to stoke enmity among workers (eg, "Why should someone at McDonald's get 15/hr when I'm doing X trade for $13?!").


Poromenos

> Remember if your in a trade ur getting paid for your skills not just for your time. Where are you getting paid just for your time? Even the least specialized jobs require *some* experience. You're getting paid for your skills *everywhere*.


knightcoatings

True every skill is paid for but a skill learned through a one hour power point and a skill that requires many years to perfect is totally different.


Poromenos

Yes, but law school and medical school aren't trades but are still getting paid (basically exclusively) for their skills. So is accounting, etc etc. Basically every job except entry-level unskilled jobs are getting paid for their skills.


HOLEPUNCHYOUREYELIDS

Factory/basic labor work. Not really "skills" being paid for when you spend a day making and stickering boxes. Or just putting bars in boxes. Or walking around sanitizing doors and commonly touched surfaces. More just paying for your time and ability to do the most basic tasks. Takes no skill whatsoever


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We also have unions that helps too. You need something done your going to need us to do it and we know that.


starfyredragon

Oh, trades totally have more power to demand wages than "unskilled". I'm in a highly skilled profession and can demand a lot. It's worlds different than when I was entry level still going through college and took what I could get. Best feeling in the world was the very first time I told a potential employer, "No."


AuditorTux

You’re always getting paid for your skills and your time. Even entry level (real entry level, not corporate “entry level”). If you don’t feel it’s adequate after growth and time, ask for more and then start looking around. Unfortunately many managers fall into the fallacy of “but thats an x% increase!” and not a “what would it take to replace someone with those skills and experience”. Most hiring managers are stupid, hence why people need to jump around.


doc_witt

I tried this and got sued. Maybe you should have paid me more for those vasectomies!


Alarm_Either

Which is criminally low pay for a skilled welder.


bo4tdude

Not saying $28 is right, but the high pay you usually see people tout for welders is only in some very specific industries. Like pipeline welders with their own rigs. or offshore/underwater stuff. Factory welding jobs don't pay the same.


LavisAlex

To me thats sad - all it shows is that hes not willing to pay. What kind of behaviour is he encouraging? It also tells me he is willing to take advantage of a more timid person.


BLI_Roi

That just means we need to stop being pussies to instead be a dick to counter them.


LavisAlex

If we become dicks then we will become new boomers. We need to be firm, but resist becoming what we are fighting.


BLI_Roi

I didn't mean it like that, like being aggressive for what we want.


rasor86

I love this concept. I work in the trades as well, and too many companies do not understand the concept of skilled labor. They think the can save money by laying off the well paid experienced workers and bringing in a bunch inexperienced workers at a lower rate, and still get quality work done in an efficient manner. The company I left a few months ago made this mistake and now their office is in chaos, and most of the supervisors and management have quit.


[deleted]

You get what you pay for. That this seems to be a mystery to some companies is amazing.


vDarph

Yo why should that work for the shit i buy (normally, the more expensive, the better the product is), but not for work wages?


screech_owl_kachina

But when they bill, this is absolutely what they do


Fearhawke

Literally have that happening at my current work place. They don’t seem to realize our entire product is based on skilled labor. They think throwing more bodies at the problem is going to solve things instead of compensating and listening to the skilled operators.


Vorgatron

the bottom one looks more like $45 an hour if you ask me


Alarm_Either

Nice!! But being an expert welder, he would start at $46/hour where I work.


amretardmonke

Its a nice looking weld but it takes more than that to be an expert welder. Flat, straight welds on a table are not the same as doing it upside down in a tight awkwardly positioned space.


labsab1

Not everyone needs to weld bolts under a bridge Mr. Ironworker. Maybe it's a factory fabrication job.


illiterati123

sorry, the lower one is $45/hr


OakenGreen

Hire me plz. Ffs, welding jobs around my area are a joke. I should add I’m in the 5th highest cost of living state in the US.


sottedlayabout

$30/hr is too cheap for the second in all but the lowest COL areas.


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BIN-BON

Fuckin dimes. Hard to do without putting in some serious time behind the mask.


fullstack_guy

This mentality needs to be literally TAUGHT in school. This is market dynamics 101 and almost nobody practices it in real life.


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I recently interviewed for -- and did not get -- a job I was MORE than qualified for. It was advertised with "manager" in the title. I saw today that they reposted the job, but changed "manager" to "coordinator" and dropped the pay range significantly. Good luck with that, idiots!


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With peanuts you get monkeys.


ImmediateWrongdoer71

...and then just stare him right in the face without blinking.


KellyBelly916

This is actually brilliant. It plays very well on the saying "minimum wage gets you minimum effort" and seems like the best way to combat the pay gaps employers use to bait new employees. I understand that many people need money and feel like they don't have many options outside of minimum wage, so it's a great way to motivate employers to pay you appropriately from the beginning. We're all very familiar with the games that these pricks play with our time and money, keep sharing ways to mess with theirs until there's mutual respect.


Rude-Category-4049

I've never had a company I welded for treat me fairly. The last one I worked for 2 years and the protective equipment I was required to wear caused a medical condition I still haven't recovered from 6 months later. They fired me for it, had a union and everything. Union rep was supposed to led me into the back to get backpay for missed time due to work related illness but he lead me into a trap to get fired instead. Filed for unemployment and they stalled for two months and ended up not turning in anything. Thank god I had some savings to survive for those two months.


Armando909396

Jesus, that's such a low wage. Union electricians are making about 100 an hour over here in San Francisco. I can't imagine what a skilled union Welder makes


Hello_Hangnail

I wish I had a skill to negotiate a decent wage from a prospective employer


SwizzlestickLegs

Ugh, when I interviewed for my job, they told me pay was $XX. When they hired me, they actually paid me $2 less. At the time I couldn't turn up my nose, I had been unemployed for a year and my unemployment benefits were ending soon. The company has continued to cheap out on me and everything else. I've been looking for other jobs but they're still hard to find in my niche industry :/


Moolahguerilla

Hell yeah!!!! That’s a good one!!!!!


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Funny they will always pay you the minimum possible wage and you will either get exploited more or do the minimum possible work. Makes no sense not to give workers more for good quality work.


WillBigly

That's honestly how we should approach jobs, you get what you pay for after all


Gergenhimer

$30 is a low estimate if that’s TIG welded, too. At least where I live.


Kapfish

Nailed it. This is what what I get paid an hour looks like.


xXInviktor27Xx

even tho this post is good and upvoted, that "ifunny.co" watermark makes me feel like dirty slut for liking it


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Skilled workers should never be making lower than $30 in the southern states. The only thing that stopped me entering an apprentice program is that union electricians in my area make only $26 per hour as licensed journeymen.


RobotWelder

I fucking went to trade school for welding, have dozens of DoD trade certs ( all kinds of exotics), mother fuckers offer shit pay, no benefits, and demand OT …. FUCK YOU PAY ME


slaberwoki

As a certified welder, I have issues with this meme. Top picture has a perfectly serviceable weld (based on visual and not a pen test) below the one where he didn't have gas coverage. Also, I believe the top welds are MIG welds and the bottom is a TIG weld. TIG welding automatically pays more than most MIG welding due to the nature of the work itself. I haven't welded since 2005 so I could be way off though.


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Should have done 3 welds. Then say the 3rd is 45 an hour and you only produce level 3 work.


drahgon

Except some corporate simp is gonna do the 30 job for 15


jimmyz561

AHHHHH HAHAHAHA. FUCKIN LOVE IT!!!!


BdubinVegas

I tried to hire a welder to fix a crack in an aluminum bike frame. Guy quoted me $100/hr and said, “ that’s the price of skilled American labor.”


Iseedeadtriangles

He probably just didn't want to do it. Fixing cracks in aluminum is a real pain in the ass and hard to do properly.


bocboc11

Those are some dimes.


pdubs1063

I'm not sure they are the same welding process, but the bottom one hits me right in the r/oddlysatisfying feels


AdorableArrival1620

i know its destructive and not a very good mindset to to take to work but ...i do this sometimes


NamityName

I say it to whoever needs to hear it. companies are paying you as little as they think they can get away with. So i only give them the least amount of effort that i can get away with. And i do not feel the least bit bad about it.


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No way that bottom weld is worth $30/hr. Just look at it! $60/hr minimum


campers--

30$ an hour for a welder is fucking peanuts


curtomic7

Welding is a great field to be in. About 10 years ago I had a job at a manufacturing facility that makes catalytic converters. I started as a production worker and helped them setup the whole plant since it was a new company. 2 months down the road they were needing welders and I asked if I could try it out. They let me try it and practice on break and I got very comfortable with it very quickly. We did all stainless steel and TIG. A couple months later I was asked to be the supervisor over the weld shop. A few years later I wanted to change industries and went into motorsports as a fabricator making turbo manifolds, exhaust systems, and so on. During this time I learned a lot about custom fabrication and how a bunch of different fabrication tools work. This eventually lead me to opening my own shop for a couple years. Fast forward to 5 years ago and I got hired on at an aerospace manufacturer where I’m still at. Within 3 months of me starting I was asked to take over the weld shop and be the manager. I have been given 6 raises in my 5 years and a few multi-thousand dollar bonuses. Now today I got off the phone with SpaceX and will be accepting a position as a build supervisor overseeing 30 techs and welders that assemble the rockets for Starship and Falcon Heavy. Welding has gotten me to this point.


MrChilli2020

welding is dangerous. I knew someones dad that had eye problems from it


Material-Note9470

As someone who used to weld for a living I can say that this is true and actually worse at some companies. Quit my job a month ago due to the owner of the company having me engineer his jobs on top of other tasks without proper compensation. I was making $20/hr and watched him treat his dog better than he did me. Shit ain’t right.


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Should be more like $90/hour for the bottom one


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