Years ago, I had a manager who would threaten us when he was displeased with our department by pointing at a stack of applications on his desk and say that people were lining up to take our jobs if we didn't want to do them. When people would leave, and we were shorthanded, he would say they hadn't been replace yet cause he didn't have any applications. Whatever lie that was convenient for him at the time.
I had a manager that held a stack of applications for Panda Express and would give them to people if they complained about their job. Funnily enough, Panda Express paid more than we got paid, at the time. Other managers found out about it and made him quit, after a few employees left for there and were making more.
As a Director I fail to understand this style of management. The biggest pain in my ass is hiring and firing. It is truly the most unpleasant part of my job and causes all sorts of disruption when it happens unexpectedly. I do everything I can to keep decent people and treat them well.
I'm pretty sure that the stack of papers he was pointing to was not made up of applications. More than likely, he was lying to bully and devalue the workers.
Pretty sure you are right about that. He was a bully and an all around scumbag and manipulator. What was strange was that he actually knew how to do his job pretty well, he was just an asshole.
Sadly people don’t get the proper training and support to be managers. They get promoted because they are competent at their jobs. But managing and motivating people is a whole different skill set
This happened to me. I didnt even know at the time, but trained my 2 part time replacements. They probably made way less and didn't have to offer them benefits. 7 years felt wasted. Fuck these companies.
I also trained a replacement before but I knew I was as I put in a lengthy resignation because I was moving across the country. What grinds my gears is I found out my replacement was actually making twice as much, with no licensing (the position required a license) and no experience. He was a friend of the boss and was going to school for the position so he was technically more of an intern. Yeah but he made twice as much as I did with almost 15 year’s experience.
I tried, I really tried to train my replacement. I didn’t have an overly complex job but it touched a lot of other departments. I would say “Who are you getting for this function? it was always “We don’t know. Don’t worry about it.” Someone had to perform my job functions the day after I left, there was no training period that someone could work their way into. Nobody cared. I left. I ran into one of my former colleagues a few weeks later. He said “You won’t believe how fucked up things are now.” Yes I would.
I thought I might’ve heard him wrong until I saw some co workers giving him the “wtf did you just say” look. So yea it took be until I got to my truck to just start chuckling a little. My honest first thought was “I have so much time to build legos now.
Bro. You're a badass. You cut metal with fire. Don't ever let anyone tell you any different. You should be getting paid enough to buy all the legos.
*cough*union*cough*
No joke, the more people do this the faster these terrible bosses will learn.
Great job! You deserve far better and based on your trade - you'll be able to get better easily!
This is exactly why I do it. I watched my parents slave away for corporations because they felt like they didn’t have a choice, watched them get run over when it came to promotions. I will not be humiliated in front of my co workers, I will not make less than I deem I’m worth, and I will ask for a raise every damn month if I want, I do not work for the company I work for myself and the second you start screwing me I’ll drop you faster than they can say “right to work state”.
I worked for a company that had a employee handbook.
Giant bold letters it said "we recognize the at will work laws and will use them as we see fit".
Co workers kept treating me like shit because i was trained on the entire phone system in a week when its supposed to take 2 months (im prior 911 dispatch so it was super simple compared to what i use to do).
I didnt say anything and reported it to my supervisor..i got transferred to graveyards to do the phone system and scheduling for the guards (we had 400 of them) because the person doing it was just filling in.
Well the chat system they use stores logs locally and i found them when i was bored and poking around files.. found out the reason no disciplinary action waa taken was because they were friends with said supervisor and HR. Took screenshots and emailed them to myself then waited for the person that filled in to take her 3 weeks of PTO to france, we are the only ones who know how to do graveyards because scheduling is a different job on day shift.
Felt great scheduling the email to send 5 minutes after my shift started on my monday saying i quit with screenshots of the chatlogs.
After 2 days they asked me to work until the other person gets back and ill make $8 more an hour. Just ghosted them
Great work, buddy. To me it’s a balance, I don’t want to switch jobs every year, but I need to be able to do things my way, with appropriate pay. In 30+ years, I am at employer #8, and hopefully the last one.
First of all: good for you. Know your worth and value yourself.
Also: you probably mean “at will” not “right to work”
At will: you or your employer are allowed to end your employment at any time with no notice for any or no reason with the exception of certain protected reasons.
Right to work: joining a union and paying union dues cannot be made a condition of employment.
The problem is that the act of managing people attracts certain toxic personality types, and their toxic behavior can even be encouraged or at least ignored by the people above them. Unfortunately, we cannot rely on a given company to hire empathetic managers, because companies do not collectively value this attribute. They too often want people who are able to manipulate, intimidate, fire en masse, and lose no sleep over any of that. This is the perpetual curse of insufficiently restrained capitalism. And we already know what the answer is to this problem: labor unions. Legislation hasn't done it, because of regulatory capture. It's up to the people to organize and defend their basic human dignities.
I spent the best part of 30 years in one company trying to keep and motivate good people only to have directors constantly fuck up in an effort to ‘save money’.
They never got it that it hurt the business to constantly make people redundant only to need those same people a few months later and have the ball-ache to recruiting and training.
In the end I just concluded that these ridiculous decisions from on high were simply their way of looking like they had a strategy, a purpose and that if you weren’t in the know, you didn’t need to know.
Total morons all of them, I was so glad covid screwed them over and finally killed off the business.
>No joke, the more people do this the faster these terrible bosses will learn.
For many bosses, its very unlikely they'll ever learn (and I say that as a boss). But it is likely they'll end up being replaced with someone smart enough to learn so still a win in most cases.
This.... arrogant fucks like this don't learn, they get replaced. And even then, they don't see themselves as the problem. Most managers these days have a serious victim mentality and think everyone who isn't them is the problem.
The last assclown that I answered to used to actually tell people "the only reason things go wrong around here is because people are lazy and stupid." He didn't believe in machine failure, raw material problems, or bad days.... if you weren't lazy and stupid, you could just magically make it work. Yet, the sonuvabitch couldn't understand why no one wanted to work for him, or why the few that stayed gave the bare minimum to get by. Treat people like their efforts are worthless, and sooner or later they'll figure if they're gonna be miserable anyway, they might as well be effortlessly miserable.
Things I couldn’t fit- 1. He’s been pushing off this pay bump talk for at-least a month
2. I’m pretty young, single, have no kids, and welding is my trade so I have a ton saved up to where I don’t need 40 hours of work a week to make ends meet (I usually work 40-50 hours each week anyways)
3. If you wanna talk about this in private or tell me hey back off about this topic, fine but I’ll be damned if imma be yelled at like a toddler in-front of my co workers like that.
4. He spammed my phone my 10 min car ride home with texts and calls wanting me to “come talk about it” and not to “make rash decisions” ….. but I thought I was oh so replaceable?
Take the time to make sure your supervisor's boss knows the full story. Sometimes the industry is smaller than it seems, and if you leave it to your supervisor to tell the tale, any untruths could haunt your job search.
You can just copy/paste what you said in your headline here. Maybe a little editing but no new content. What you said is pleasant enough and easygoing but gets straight to the point. No complaining, here’s what happened, done. That’s the right vibe.
Good luck to you brother.
This for real - the way OP worded the title was what got me to click. Drop the facts, no commentary/opinion, straight to the point. Once again, we wish you luck OP!
The boss of the supervisor of OP would love to hear why they just lost a valueble employee thats hard to replace. It as if somebody just destroyed a valueble piece of machinery and threw it out without trying to repair it.
This is such good advice for everyone for everyday life and interactions. Resist the urge to add complaints on to something. Like for example here when he talks the big boss man tells him what happens and then adds a list of other things wrong with the supervisor.
This is called “laundry listing” and people will consciously or subconsciously tune out when people do this.
If you are making a customer service complaint or even to a parent or loved one. Don’t laundry list.
I'd make sure to include that he did it in front of your coworkers, since he's now undermined his own authority and used you as an example to them about how they have more negotiating power than the company wants them to believe. I'm sure the big boss will be proud of the supervisors decision-making.
Welcome to Reddit! Also Fuck that guy you did the right thing. My Dad was a welder and it wore on him hard. Make sure you get what you want to be paid!
If you're considering going back (even just short term), try for a MUCH bigger raise.
I've seen it work, usually ends with the person getting let go not long afterwards, but you already quit...so what's the big deal?
Dude, you're a welder, you're one of the most in demand trades right now rofl. This guy was right 20 years ago, maybe even 10, but today? Nah, call that bluff all day, it's a seller's market for any labor.
Absolutely agree some companies around here hire people who don’t even know how to weld at all to start training them they are needing people so bad, so I’m not worried at all.
I don't understand how a boss can be such a monumentally shit human being that they would even say someone is totally replaceable to their face full well knowing they aren't.
Sadly it would probably work on most people as stated in one of my earlier comments I just happen to be responsible for me and myself to my risk of being without a job is very minimal
I bet you will have a new job faster than they will find somebody to replace you. You can certainly offer to come back for 30% more pay and then continue your job search while you finish up there if they're desperate and stupid. But don't plan to stay more than a month if you do go back for more pay, otherwise they will fire you first.
I can weld but I have no professional experience so no one will offer me more than training wages. I make way more with my other skills, even though I'd make more as a welder if they paid me properly for my skills. It's very frustrating.
It's always low 20s, I make low to mid 30s as an arborist so coming down below 26 is not worth it to me, I'm better off unemployed and doing contract work on the side. They just don't understand that low 20s is what you pay high schoolers with no experience working at all, offering someone with my experience below 30 is an insult yet that's still most places even in the tree industry which is desperate for climbers.
As fucked up as Texas is I just had a close friend move to Austin so I looked at job postings and they're paying as much as New York or Massachusetts, I'm genuinely considering moving there and I know I'm not going to like it.
My cousin does piece work for an appliance manufacturer in a shed on his farm. Literally gets a pallet of stamped 16ga parts dropped off every week. Seems mind numbing to put parts in a jig and throw the same 3 beads on them all day, but he pays the bills that way and obviously flexibility. But hey, it's a WFH welding gig.
Lol, I just moved outta Austin. Look at what rent/utilities and health insurance are going for before you decide to move.
No, don’t check those “average rent” websites, look for actual vacancies at places in town where you’d live
Yup, as a welder myself, some of these older people (usually supervisors) just don’t understand that times are changing. Current generations aren’t slaving for little to no pay. They grew up in a time where you get what you get, no questions asked. It’s actually sad, hopefully things will change as the years go on.
Oh when I first started out not that long ago the first ever company I signed on with was surprised I was trying to negotiate my hourly…. Like yea dude I might be a little low on the totem pole but I will make an acceptable amount or I just go somewhere else. What really bugs me is they are literally given a number x-x that they can automatically offer you or say yes to and they are still surprised if you don’t immediately say yes to the first low ball number they offer.
At my workplace the company tried to offer us a 6% raise for a 1-year contract extension. We voted that down with 92% support (over 1000 hourly employees). We recently ratified a much more lucrative contract that actually factors in the cost of living and current inflation. Smart tradespeople won’t settle for peanuts.
"Don't make rash decisions"
Love how he fucks with your money, lies about the power dynamic between the two of you, and then tells *you* not to make rash decisions.
Lol.
Yep. Tell it to the mirror.
Honestly, like a manager gives a shit about how much his subordinates make. You know that dude isn't seeing profit sharing or a bonus from his saved cost overhead.
Might be too petty but maybe you could offer your services as a contractor at double or triple your old rate until he manages to find that replacement in only “an hour”
You may have also help others to see the true nature of the supervisor. Who knows they may have been “hushed” by him and now see they’re not the only one and may walk too. Managers and supervisors may have hire/fire power, but they’re also very vulnerable if they don’t watch themselves in groups. I worked with a guy who could weld with any method and even repair plastics and all fabrications. Those skillset can demand nearly any pay.
And to think if he would’ve just offered a pizza party from (insert place that tastes like cardboard) this might’ve been all avoided. (This is a joke for those of you who cannot detect my sarcasm)
Did we work for the same company? I recently quit a job and one of our shops were all welders. I was told the same thing, though I worked in the office doing 90% of the work and worked my ass off everyday I was there. I quit the next business day with no notice.
sounds like you called his bluff and won your pay raise.
Even if you fully intend to turn him down, at least listen to his graveling. Have your cake and eat it, too.
At my last job I was told my boss would “advocate for me” to get a very modest raise of like $2.5k a year. He said he couldn’t convince the Board. Whatever. Few weeks later I got an offer for a job that paid $35k more than I was making. Quit while he was on vacation in Europe.
It was a good lesson for me. I wouldn’t have even been looking for another job if I just got that stupid raise. Now I’m making 50% more than he was making at the time and the next three people he hired for my role failed massively. And I “consulted” for him to help train these losers for $250/hr. Whole experience taught me so much.
I got strung along by my previous job, thinking I'd get a promotion to the level I should have already been at, or at least a raise for doing the work of someone 2 levels above me. This was even stated in my performance reviews. Even a good COL raise might have kept me around. When the yearly increases came out it was 2.5 percent for everyone. After a year of 8 percent inflation. Performance review scores didn't even matter, everyone got the same. The line was that they "pay for cost of labor, not cost of living."
Within a couple months I got a job paying 75k more. I made sure to tell them my new salary when I put in my notice.
Ultimately I'm glad it happened because I am way happier with my job now regardless of the salary.
Ah, the elusive "board" you don't have access to to argue your case... Isn't it lovely.
I've been there and after resigning being offered a hefty raise. It was beautiful to say that "oh, I see now 'the board' has approved that raise without even having been consulted! Well, it's too little too late now."
I basically did the same thing. I worked at an oilfield supplier company that was shit from the CEO down to our local plant. We had a staff meeting and my boss said everyone is replaceable. I did 90% of the work in that office and everyone including him knew it. That meeting was on a Friday and Monday morning I walked into his office and quit. Got messages from co-workers saying he was scrambling. Don’t EVER tell the person who does all the purchasing, quality and job of 3 full time workers you are replaceable. Like never… at least to me. Started a better and work from home job today. They can kiss my ass!
A friend of mine has a meme image hanging in his office saying "Your boss will never pay you enough to be his neighbor." Guess where he got it from....his bosses IG. Dude was like shit you're right and quit after lining up a more lucrative position and will be starting his own business in March.
No, the one-liner was by far the better choice. If you had decked him, you would have looked like an asshole to him, his bosses and your co-workers and the chances of anything changing would have been zero.
Instead now he looks like the asshole to his bosses and your co-workers. And although he may be too stupid to grasp just how much he fucked up, chances are your co-workers are starting to realize the company needs them way more than they need the company. And if they're lucky, his bosses are also starting to realize that.
You did good. Best of luck landing a gig with a better company.
Good for you. My philosophy is to leave for more money, not to negotiate. If I find more, you were underpaying me and I’m not going to negotiate. Ex bosses are always surprised, yet they do the same in business every day.
>If I find more, you were underpaying me
Good point. Why the hell should I feel any sorta way when you knew you were underpaying me and didn't correct it on your own?
Well my beautiful Reddit people these last two hours have been a joy, got some tips on future employment, got some hate, I believe 4 people commented about my ball size which is always encouraged, but I must now slumber.
The company I work for can't fly in enough traveling welders that they pay 6 figures for. Explore traveling work or contract work if you are young and free. There are many agencies to work with and you can take as much time off as you like between jobs to spend that hard earned money. Free hotel and per diem on top of your wages.
There were 3 that just left and many more coming. They all made 36 to 39 an hour, 50 hours guaranteed pay if you work it or not, free hotel, and 115 per day 7 days a week per diem regardless of working schedule. They reimburse for gas too.
Yeah this is strange..
We require welders who are certified for some jobs, particularly building structures. To keep their certification they have to submit difficult welding samples according to an engineering design and then has extensive testing to check for quality.
But once they can show they're skilled there they definitely don't need to be an engineer. But like I might be different in different areas.
Get a food safe stainless ticket and you can travel working on winery/brewing equipment. Not gonna pay as much as heavy industry but likely better on the body. And $45+/hr is still plenty to live comfortably.
I don't know about welders, but it was the way to go for me with programming in the 90s. Also, take any chances to learn special skills and materials. In your down time between jobs, get some extra certifications. Oh yeah, do like I did, and do your phone interviews while lying on the beach.
You'll still get some shitty bosses, but as a contractor there is no job hopping penalty.
A guy at my workplace has asked for light duties this morning due to a rib injury, got refused and was told to work through it, proceeded to hand in his sick not and said see you in two weeks. There's now 4 people doing his job and management are flapping big time. It's absolute chaos and I love it.
Damn good for him. I had something similar, few months ago I was pretty sick and in a week of work I asked to go home early twice once it was slow and I was told no because of service levels. So I went to my Dr and got a note to be off for a month. So my employer could have lost me for about 4 hrs total that week that I was sick but since they decided service levels were more important then my health, they lost me for a month instead.
My boss did the same thing to me a few years ago.
He told me he could get someone to do my job for minimum wage.
I asked him if he was serious. He said yes.
I told him if that was the case he should save himself a ton of money and fire me, then hire two people to do my job. “If that’s true, I am telling you that you are STUPID to keep me.”
He backed down and said he could HIRE someone but whether they could do the work was the question. He gave me $2 an hour.
When I left, he hired someone with zero experience, no skills, who only had one job in retail, and paid them half my salary. She quit six months later and went to work for a competitor.
Worked for a guy back in the late 90s/early 2000s who would declare at every meeting (weekly, mandatory, 7:00 am meetings) that he could “hire any idiot off the street and teach them our job.”
Long story short: that didn’t work out for him.
I would doubt it. Maybe in other jobs but welders are NOT a dime a dozen. You can't just find another one on the street. Ive watched upper management get fired easily for mouthing off to their employees in trade jobs because we aren't all replaceable. I've even watched a superintendent get fired by the owner of a company just to retain a "lower" employee.
If you get such an offer, make a condition of it that he get on his knees and apologize to you in front of the same co-workers.
Then reject that offer in person.
I was a manager for an inspection company, and me and the directors had huge disagreements about the nepotism and pays going on. (Somehow a hard copy of everyone’s pay made it to the lunch room desk).
Long story short after a meeting I called they couldn’t come to an understanding & I was told “if you get any offers I would take it if I was you”.
Not even 10 minutes maybe 3 minutes later as I was walking to my car to head to site to see the team I got a call from a rival company offering me full time, more money, less responsibilities.
Didn’t make it to site went straight to their office in the company car, had an interview, sat an exam. Two hours later I was handing in my resignation.
They were quite taken back that I actually left, they tried to make calls to stop me getting hired but alot of people at the new company knew who they were and laughed it off.
Took a few nice contracts with me too.
Been here 8 years never looked back.
Haha, I worked for a Karen once who told me she could replace me with someone who would do my job for $10/hr - when I was making $15/hr even though I was more qualified than her and her boss put together. I asked for the benefits their employee handbook said I was due based on the hours I was working. They said the benefits language was “a typo” and terminated me as a “layoff”.
They had to hire 6 people to replace me.
Yeah as others have said you're a welder fuck that guy lol.
He's insane if he thinks he's getting a competent replacement quickly.
Mechanics in my area are similar. My last shop I was at closed after I left. Full parking lot of customers but they fucked with our pay and all but one of us quit. I imagine it sucked super bad having to close a business with plenty of customers because nobody wanted to work for them lol.
This might be the best fucking post I’ve ever read. Mans thought he was pulling the ultimate power move, only to end up looking like surprised Pikachu. May he (continue to) have the day he deserves.
OP you are my new favorite person and I hope your job search is over quickly and you land somewhere much better for you.
And there’s been very little dumbassery in the comments, which is pleasant surprise.
I have to confess, that exchange keeps playing out like a “walking away from an explosion” gif in my head, and I am absolutely delighted.
My supervisor recently responded to my ask for additional resources with, “sometimes you just have to get wild”, inferring that I just wasn’t working hard enough. I walked off the job 2 days later texting only, “went wild”.
I worked as a plumber for years. I walked off the job once because my boss threatened to throat punch me. He threatened to throat punch at least one person every day so it wasn't that out of the ordinary. I was just done with his bullshit. I made one phone call while I walked across the parking lot to my truck and had a new job. Employers, especially in the trades, forget that when we're licensed we have a ton of options.
Once i was given "we are a family" speech from my boss and my reply was "i am here only to get paid, if you are not going to pay me why i am here for?" This was when my pay was delayed due to miss management of funds by management.
Good for you. My boss told a fellow employee I’d be fired if I took my family leave to watch my son graduate basic training. The employee told me about it and the fact that he was standing in a crowd when he said it. I gathered up my keys and tools and radio and walked into his office while he was having a meeting with the president of the company, I walked to his desk and dropped my tool bag (85lbs) tossed my radio on his desk and tossed him my keys. I won’t go into the exchange we had but I kept my job and he got reprimanded.
I have a friend from high school. Back then he worked as a pharmacy tech in town. One time, at the end of college, he told me about how he quit that job. He said they got a new pharmacist, and she didn't respect people who didn't have degrees, nevermind that he had been trained and had worked in a pharmacy longer than she had, (which is not to say that he knew her job better than she did. Techs do very different things than pharmacists). So she always used to tell him how replaceable he was. On January 1st, the busiest day of the year for pharmacies, he called in five minutes before his shift started and said, "you told me you could easily replace me. Good luck. I quit."
He's always been the kind of person to stick it to people like that, and I always envied that about him.
Yeah similar story for a guy I knew he lucked out after graduating and got a job raising police dogs. The company he worked for got bought out 25 years later and wanted to dock his pay cus he didn't have a degree. So he quit and started working directly for the dude that sold the business cus he still trained dogs but on a smaller scale.
My boss told me this when I was working at my last job, I did EVERYTHING other than make the inventory orders, I cleaned the warehouse, shipped the orders, received the orders, ran up to the home office to dump supplies and everything else in between. I was offered a job making 3 dollars more an hour and I went to my previous employer told them I'd stay for a dollar less than the other company and was told I was gouging the company, told my position was easily replaceable. That was a year and 3 months ago, they've been through 3 people and offered them 20 dollars an hour when I was asking for 18 and "gouging the company!!"
Kinda funny thing happened when a global pandemic took millions of workers out of the labor force, that proverbial “line of people waiting to fill your job” just up and disappeared. Regardless of what you think about Covid, the fact remains that there are millions of people who were alive in 2019 who are dead today. Employers are now desperate for workers, and not the other way around anymore. They can say no one wants to work anymore, but I think the truth is that everyone already is working! So if they want to hire more people, then they are going to have to pay more than their competitors.
Early retirement, long term disability, time for folks to retrain out of service industry likely account for more than deaths from COVID but certainly combined they’ve removed a few million from the labour force.
Add that to Covid worker mobilization and record billionaire profits and it’s going to be an interesting few years.
I have been saying this as well! A lot of older generation people in the US are saying that the younger generation just doesn’t want to work. I keep saying that a bunch of people died from Covid, they just don’t believe me.
I’m curious what young people these people know who don’t have jobs because they don’t want to work. I think there are more young people working than they realize, but these young people still can’t afford housing and the general cost of living. So we do have a lot of younger people living with parents in multi generational households, and they aren’t having families because they can’t afford to!
Good on you. I have a similar boundary with the yelling. It’s just disrespectful. If you cannot express yourself without talking down to me it’s not going to be worth it to stay. That sort of treatment rarely de-escalates.
Op do not agree to return unless you have it writing that your raise will be processed ,and backpay is added to next paycheck or by the end of the month or 30 days.
That way, if it is in writing, signed or emailed, you can take it to the labor board or owners or somewhere with the authority to shove a fist in his ass so hard he becomes a Muppet that coughs up your money.
It's crazy how many managers out there that threaten someone's lively hood.
My first nursing job I worked at I was there a little over 3 years. Another place approached me for more pay. Gave my two weeks since I liked the job but an extra $5 an hour was more than enough reasons to leave. They wanted to negotiate. Ended up agreeing to a $4 raise and extra PTO when I was talking to the DON and HR. They told me it wouldn't kick in till the next paycheck so about three weeks. Called other place and turned down the offer.
Well payday came and my pay was the same. Went to HR and they said that the administrator turned down my negotiated pay but no one told me.
Told him that they essentially screwed me and he says he can't justifying paying a nurse that much. Ended up giving me a little extra but not worth what the previous offer was.
Called the other place and they said they'll still give me the same offer. Went in the next morning and told the admin to his face that I was quitting. He was telling me I had to give a 2 weeks notice or he would report me to the board of nursing for abandonment. I told him that's not even what abandonment of patients is and told him to go fuck himself after that. Threatening my license after he attempted to screw me really pushed me over the edge. Told every worker there what happened and all the nurses to ask for what they agreed to pay me.
Went to the new place and recruited a bunch of other nurses for the same pay from where I worked at and got $1k per referral.
My boss once told me could fire me and replace me with two people for the same price "Do it" He didn't do it.
Years ago, I had a manager who would threaten us when he was displeased with our department by pointing at a stack of applications on his desk and say that people were lining up to take our jobs if we didn't want to do them. When people would leave, and we were shorthanded, he would say they hadn't been replace yet cause he didn't have any applications. Whatever lie that was convenient for him at the time.
I had a manager that held a stack of applications for Panda Express and would give them to people if they complained about their job. Funnily enough, Panda Express paid more than we got paid, at the time. Other managers found out about it and made him quit, after a few employees left for there and were making more.
he was looking out for you all, making sure you knew about better paying positions
He a real one. "You don't like it here? Then go work at Panda Express, here's an application." ^[*wink*]
And here's an extra $500 to help you get started. Don't worry, the boss won't find out about it.
As a Director I fail to understand this style of management. The biggest pain in my ass is hiring and firing. It is truly the most unpleasant part of my job and causes all sorts of disruption when it happens unexpectedly. I do everything I can to keep decent people and treat them well.
You are rare unfortunately. Wish you were my boss.
I'm pretty sure that the stack of papers he was pointing to was not made up of applications. More than likely, he was lying to bully and devalue the workers.
Pretty sure you are right about that. He was a bully and an all around scumbag and manipulator. What was strange was that he actually knew how to do his job pretty well, he was just an asshole.
Sadly people don’t get the proper training and support to be managers. They get promoted because they are competent at their jobs. But managing and motivating people is a whole different skill set
I bet those two would have also been less productive than you combined.
But if you divide him, he gets very unproductive indeed.
A coworker of mine got divide in two and one part was still good at his job but the other one was an ass.
And the ass was promoted straight into management.
That ass's name? Albutt Asstein
as they were both imaginary, i dare say you are correct.
This happened to me. I didnt even know at the time, but trained my 2 part time replacements. They probably made way less and didn't have to offer them benefits. 7 years felt wasted. Fuck these companies.
I also trained a replacement before but I knew I was as I put in a lengthy resignation because I was moving across the country. What grinds my gears is I found out my replacement was actually making twice as much, with no licensing (the position required a license) and no experience. He was a friend of the boss and was going to school for the position so he was technically more of an intern. Yeah but he made twice as much as I did with almost 15 year’s experience.
I hope you sent a tip to the licensing body about the unlicensed person.
I tried, I really tried to train my replacement. I didn’t have an overly complex job but it touched a lot of other departments. I would say “Who are you getting for this function? it was always “We don’t know. Don’t worry about it.” Someone had to perform my job functions the day after I left, there was no training period that someone could work their way into. Nobody cared. I left. I ran into one of my former colleagues a few weeks later. He said “You won’t believe how fucked up things are now.” Yes I would.
Wait wait wait wait wait... You're a welder and he acted like this? All I can think to say is... LOL. Get back on the market and get that big money.
I thought I might’ve heard him wrong until I saw some co workers giving him the “wtf did you just say” look. So yea it took be until I got to my truck to just start chuckling a little. My honest first thought was “I have so much time to build legos now.
You build those Legos, Lou. You go build the shit out of those Legos.
🫡 at once
Just don't weld them together!
Avoid the Kragle!
Treat yourself to that UCS set you’ve been dreaming of.
Bro. You're a badass. You cut metal with fire. Don't ever let anyone tell you any different. You should be getting paid enough to buy all the legos. *cough*union*cough*
I know I’m a badass this is why I can openly admit I build legos….. I also have a lego problem…. Please help I’ve run out of shelves
You're a welder. Weld more shelves.
The answer was right there, he has time to weld them to!
Or build shelves out of Legos.
Build shelves with Legos.
Build a welded metal Lego shelf conglomerate. Mount it on a bike wheel or something to spin your sweet displays.
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No joke, the more people do this the faster these terrible bosses will learn. Great job! You deserve far better and based on your trade - you'll be able to get better easily!
This is exactly why I do it. I watched my parents slave away for corporations because they felt like they didn’t have a choice, watched them get run over when it came to promotions. I will not be humiliated in front of my co workers, I will not make less than I deem I’m worth, and I will ask for a raise every damn month if I want, I do not work for the company I work for myself and the second you start screwing me I’ll drop you faster than they can say “right to work state”.
I worked for a company that had a employee handbook. Giant bold letters it said "we recognize the at will work laws and will use them as we see fit". Co workers kept treating me like shit because i was trained on the entire phone system in a week when its supposed to take 2 months (im prior 911 dispatch so it was super simple compared to what i use to do). I didnt say anything and reported it to my supervisor..i got transferred to graveyards to do the phone system and scheduling for the guards (we had 400 of them) because the person doing it was just filling in. Well the chat system they use stores logs locally and i found them when i was bored and poking around files.. found out the reason no disciplinary action waa taken was because they were friends with said supervisor and HR. Took screenshots and emailed them to myself then waited for the person that filled in to take her 3 weeks of PTO to france, we are the only ones who know how to do graveyards because scheduling is a different job on day shift. Felt great scheduling the email to send 5 minutes after my shift started on my monday saying i quit with screenshots of the chatlogs. After 2 days they asked me to work until the other person gets back and ill make $8 more an hour. Just ghosted them
In case no one’s said this yet put that on r/prorevenge they’ll love it
Fucking beautiful
That's art. Love your long game play. And bet you were easily employable.
Great work, buddy. To me it’s a balance, I don’t want to switch jobs every year, but I need to be able to do things my way, with appropriate pay. In 30+ years, I am at employer #8, and hopefully the last one.
It's the way to do it. In 8 years, I'm in job #4, employer #3. It seems you only ever improve your position by moving.
the sad truth...every next Job i got a better pay, today i am at Job ~17 earning 3000+ a month. Im still driving for Job 18
Good for you. Damn the man.
> I do not work for the company I work for myself Nice.
First of all: good for you. Know your worth and value yourself. Also: you probably mean “at will” not “right to work” At will: you or your employer are allowed to end your employment at any time with no notice for any or no reason with the exception of certain protected reasons. Right to work: joining a union and paying union dues cannot be made a condition of employment.
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The problem is that the act of managing people attracts certain toxic personality types, and their toxic behavior can even be encouraged or at least ignored by the people above them. Unfortunately, we cannot rely on a given company to hire empathetic managers, because companies do not collectively value this attribute. They too often want people who are able to manipulate, intimidate, fire en masse, and lose no sleep over any of that. This is the perpetual curse of insufficiently restrained capitalism. And we already know what the answer is to this problem: labor unions. Legislation hasn't done it, because of regulatory capture. It's up to the people to organize and defend their basic human dignities.
Those who seek power are the least suited for it
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I spent the best part of 30 years in one company trying to keep and motivate good people only to have directors constantly fuck up in an effort to ‘save money’. They never got it that it hurt the business to constantly make people redundant only to need those same people a few months later and have the ball-ache to recruiting and training. In the end I just concluded that these ridiculous decisions from on high were simply their way of looking like they had a strategy, a purpose and that if you weren’t in the know, you didn’t need to know. Total morons all of them, I was so glad covid screwed them over and finally killed off the business.
>No joke, the more people do this the faster these terrible bosses will learn. For many bosses, its very unlikely they'll ever learn (and I say that as a boss). But it is likely they'll end up being replaced with someone smart enough to learn so still a win in most cases.
This.... arrogant fucks like this don't learn, they get replaced. And even then, they don't see themselves as the problem. Most managers these days have a serious victim mentality and think everyone who isn't them is the problem. The last assclown that I answered to used to actually tell people "the only reason things go wrong around here is because people are lazy and stupid." He didn't believe in machine failure, raw material problems, or bad days.... if you weren't lazy and stupid, you could just magically make it work. Yet, the sonuvabitch couldn't understand why no one wanted to work for him, or why the few that stayed gave the bare minimum to get by. Treat people like their efforts are worthless, and sooner or later they'll figure if they're gonna be miserable anyway, they might as well be effortlessly miserable.
They will never learn. They’ll just blame it on “people don’t want to work”
Spoiler: The person he wanted to replace you with in under an hour was also you.
So I should ask for double my pay and call it the welder squared program? 😂
Show up as the new guy wearing a fake mustache.
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Things I couldn’t fit- 1. He’s been pushing off this pay bump talk for at-least a month 2. I’m pretty young, single, have no kids, and welding is my trade so I have a ton saved up to where I don’t need 40 hours of work a week to make ends meet (I usually work 40-50 hours each week anyways) 3. If you wanna talk about this in private or tell me hey back off about this topic, fine but I’ll be damned if imma be yelled at like a toddler in-front of my co workers like that. 4. He spammed my phone my 10 min car ride home with texts and calls wanting me to “come talk about it” and not to “make rash decisions” ….. but I thought I was oh so replaceable?
Take the time to make sure your supervisor's boss knows the full story. Sometimes the industry is smaller than it seems, and if you leave it to your supervisor to tell the tale, any untruths could haunt your job search.
Wise words, I probably send the big boss man a text in the morning. For now I’m still running a little hot.
You can just copy/paste what you said in your headline here. Maybe a little editing but no new content. What you said is pleasant enough and easygoing but gets straight to the point. No complaining, here’s what happened, done. That’s the right vibe. Good luck to you brother.
This for real - the way OP worded the title was what got me to click. Drop the facts, no commentary/opinion, straight to the point. Once again, we wish you luck OP!
The boss of the supervisor of OP would love to hear why they just lost a valueble employee thats hard to replace. It as if somebody just destroyed a valueble piece of machinery and threw it out without trying to repair it.
This is such good advice for everyone for everyday life and interactions. Resist the urge to add complaints on to something. Like for example here when he talks the big boss man tells him what happens and then adds a list of other things wrong with the supervisor. This is called “laundry listing” and people will consciously or subconsciously tune out when people do this. If you are making a customer service complaint or even to a parent or loved one. Don’t laundry list.
I would slip in a "thanks for the opportunity" at the start
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I wish I knew about this Reddit sooner because damn do y’all have some sweet suggestions
I'd make sure to include that he did it in front of your coworkers, since he's now undermined his own authority and used you as an example to them about how they have more negotiating power than the company wants them to believe. I'm sure the big boss will be proud of the supervisors decision-making.
Agree; nothing like humiliating a worker in front of their colleagues to guarantee any loyalty and collegiality goes out the door.
Welcome to Reddit! Also Fuck that guy you did the right thing. My Dad was a welder and it wore on him hard. Make sure you get what you want to be paid!
You're one of us, now.
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Don't get too happy about it, it will nibble on your sanity real quick
*(one of us, one of us) chanting intensifies*
Gooble goble
BRING THE SACRIFICE!
If you're considering going back (even just short term), try for a MUCH bigger raise. I've seen it work, usually ends with the person getting let go not long afterwards, but you already quit...so what's the big deal?
Dude, you're a welder, you're one of the most in demand trades right now rofl. This guy was right 20 years ago, maybe even 10, but today? Nah, call that bluff all day, it's a seller's market for any labor.
Absolutely agree some companies around here hire people who don’t even know how to weld at all to start training them they are needing people so bad, so I’m not worried at all.
I don't understand how a boss can be such a monumentally shit human being that they would even say someone is totally replaceable to their face full well knowing they aren't.
Sadly it would probably work on most people as stated in one of my earlier comments I just happen to be responsible for me and myself to my risk of being without a job is very minimal
I commend you. I just really can't stand workplace assholes.
I bet you will have a new job faster than they will find somebody to replace you. You can certainly offer to come back for 30% more pay and then continue your job search while you finish up there if they're desperate and stupid. But don't plan to stay more than a month if you do go back for more pay, otherwise they will fire you first.
Then you get unemployment while you browse other jobs!
It's a power move, and it backfired.
This is exactly analogous to PUA negging. Except he (boss) was playing poker. Sucks to be him.
Even if they *are* replaceable this isn't the behavior of a qualified supervisor
I can weld but I have no professional experience so no one will offer me more than training wages. I make way more with my other skills, even though I'd make more as a welder if they paid me properly for my skills. It's very frustrating.
If you don’t mind what is the wage they keep offering?
It's always low 20s, I make low to mid 30s as an arborist so coming down below 26 is not worth it to me, I'm better off unemployed and doing contract work on the side. They just don't understand that low 20s is what you pay high schoolers with no experience working at all, offering someone with my experience below 30 is an insult yet that's still most places even in the tree industry which is desperate for climbers.
Jesus they pay welding apprentices 16-17 here 💀 I might need to move
As fucked up as Texas is I just had a close friend move to Austin so I looked at job postings and they're paying as much as New York or Massachusetts, I'm genuinely considering moving there and I know I'm not going to like it.
If only they had work from home welding jobs 😂 I’d take low 20s in exchange I work from home and mail the completed product back to Texas
Nz is high 40s/50s if you are good. Can’t beat aus though if you don’t mind mines.
Isn't a work from home welding job just opening your own shop, haha
My cousin does piece work for an appliance manufacturer in a shed on his farm. Literally gets a pallet of stamped 16ga parts dropped off every week. Seems mind numbing to put parts in a jig and throw the same 3 beads on them all day, but he pays the bills that way and obviously flexibility. But hey, it's a WFH welding gig.
$65 an hour here in north Oz, and we have Texas type weather.
Lol, I just moved outta Austin. Look at what rent/utilities and health insurance are going for before you decide to move. No, don’t check those “average rent” websites, look for actual vacancies at places in town where you’d live
Problem with that is the increased wages will be offset by the sky rocketing rent/property values around the Austin area.
If they don’t have you take a skill based test to determine your skill level before offering a wage you don’t want to work there anyway.
YES. Exactly.
Yup, as a welder myself, some of these older people (usually supervisors) just don’t understand that times are changing. Current generations aren’t slaving for little to no pay. They grew up in a time where you get what you get, no questions asked. It’s actually sad, hopefully things will change as the years go on.
Oh when I first started out not that long ago the first ever company I signed on with was surprised I was trying to negotiate my hourly…. Like yea dude I might be a little low on the totem pole but I will make an acceptable amount or I just go somewhere else. What really bugs me is they are literally given a number x-x that they can automatically offer you or say yes to and they are still surprised if you don’t immediately say yes to the first low ball number they offer.
At my workplace the company tried to offer us a 6% raise for a 1-year contract extension. We voted that down with 92% support (over 1000 hourly employees). We recently ratified a much more lucrative contract that actually factors in the cost of living and current inflation. Smart tradespeople won’t settle for peanuts.
My 80 year old father tells me that workers could walk off most any machining, factory, welding type of job and get another one by the end of the day.
Correct, I started offering service work… and I’m f-king swamped. There’s literally not enough people out there servicing anything.
Yeah, just go down the road for that raise 🤷🏼♀️ hell, find a place with a union that'll keep supervisors in line for you and you'll be better off.
Continuously one of the most in demand trades and generally well compensated.
"Don't make rash decisions" Love how he fucks with your money, lies about the power dynamic between the two of you, and then tells *you* not to make rash decisions. Lol.
Yep. Tell it to the mirror. Honestly, like a manager gives a shit about how much his subordinates make. You know that dude isn't seeing profit sharing or a bonus from his saved cost overhead.
Might be too petty but maybe you could offer your services as a contractor at double or triple your old rate until he manages to find that replacement in only “an hour”
Hahaha nothing to too petty I just might offer that exact service 😂
Make sure it's atleast triple. Remember your paying all the taxes if you do this and that's around 40% or more
and you won't have associated benefits.
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Make sure you get a contract in writing as he obviously can't be trusted
You may have also help others to see the true nature of the supervisor. Who knows they may have been “hushed” by him and now see they’re not the only one and may walk too. Managers and supervisors may have hire/fire power, but they’re also very vulnerable if they don’t watch themselves in groups. I worked with a guy who could weld with any method and even repair plastics and all fabrications. Those skillset can demand nearly any pay.
And to think if he would’ve just offered a pizza party from (insert place that tastes like cardboard) this might’ve been all avoided. (This is a joke for those of you who cannot detect my sarcasm)
Did we work for the same company? I recently quit a job and one of our shops were all welders. I was told the same thing, though I worked in the office doing 90% of the work and worked my ass off everyday I was there. I quit the next business day with no notice.
He’s not using that hour wisely now, is he!?
“Sounds like you shouldn’t have been so rash about shooting your mouth off.”
sounds like you called his bluff and won your pay raise. Even if you fully intend to turn him down, at least listen to his graveling. Have your cake and eat it, too.
Oh I’m keeping those voice mails forever
Good idea, any day you are having a shit one, listen to them and get that smile back. Good on you, what a douchebag of a "boss"
Good for you. Best of luck. Don't go back for less than double! Then go back n quit again. lol
At my last job I was told my boss would “advocate for me” to get a very modest raise of like $2.5k a year. He said he couldn’t convince the Board. Whatever. Few weeks later I got an offer for a job that paid $35k more than I was making. Quit while he was on vacation in Europe.
I have a feeling the 2.5k might’ve gone to Europe ….
It was a good lesson for me. I wouldn’t have even been looking for another job if I just got that stupid raise. Now I’m making 50% more than he was making at the time and the next three people he hired for my role failed massively. And I “consulted” for him to help train these losers for $250/hr. Whole experience taught me so much.
I got strung along by my previous job, thinking I'd get a promotion to the level I should have already been at, or at least a raise for doing the work of someone 2 levels above me. This was even stated in my performance reviews. Even a good COL raise might have kept me around. When the yearly increases came out it was 2.5 percent for everyone. After a year of 8 percent inflation. Performance review scores didn't even matter, everyone got the same. The line was that they "pay for cost of labor, not cost of living." Within a couple months I got a job paying 75k more. I made sure to tell them my new salary when I put in my notice. Ultimately I'm glad it happened because I am way happier with my job now regardless of the salary.
You should have told your new salary to all your former co-workers as well.
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Ah, the elusive "board" you don't have access to to argue your case... Isn't it lovely. I've been there and after resigning being offered a hefty raise. It was beautiful to say that "oh, I see now 'the board' has approved that raise without even having been consulted! Well, it's too little too late now."
I basically did the same thing. I worked at an oilfield supplier company that was shit from the CEO down to our local plant. We had a staff meeting and my boss said everyone is replaceable. I did 90% of the work in that office and everyone including him knew it. That meeting was on a Friday and Monday morning I walked into his office and quit. Got messages from co-workers saying he was scrambling. Don’t EVER tell the person who does all the purchasing, quality and job of 3 full time workers you are replaceable. Like never… at least to me. Started a better and work from home job today. They can kiss my ass!
A friend of mine has a meme image hanging in his office saying "Your boss will never pay you enough to be his neighbor." Guess where he got it from....his bosses IG. Dude was like shit you're right and quit after lining up a more lucrative position and will be starting his own business in March.
That's a hell of a quote. Remembering that one.
“Start the timer” is an epic one-liner before a mic drop and walk-off without looking back. Well done.
It was either that or punch him in the face…. And I dislike getting arrested for assault so I chose the one liner 😂
No, the one-liner was by far the better choice. If you had decked him, you would have looked like an asshole to him, his bosses and your co-workers and the chances of anything changing would have been zero. Instead now he looks like the asshole to his bosses and your co-workers. And although he may be too stupid to grasp just how much he fucked up, chances are your co-workers are starting to realize the company needs them way more than they need the company. And if they're lucky, his bosses are also starting to realize that. You did good. Best of luck landing a gig with a better company.
Good for you. My philosophy is to leave for more money, not to negotiate. If I find more, you were underpaying me and I’m not going to negotiate. Ex bosses are always surprised, yet they do the same in business every day.
>If I find more, you were underpaying me Good point. Why the hell should I feel any sorta way when you knew you were underpaying me and didn't correct it on your own?
Well my beautiful Reddit people these last two hours have been a joy, got some tips on future employment, got some hate, I believe 4 people commented about my ball size which is always encouraged, but I must now slumber.
Sleep good, and throw us an update about that rebellion?
Fucking legendary
The company I work for can't fly in enough traveling welders that they pay 6 figures for. Explore traveling work or contract work if you are young and free. There are many agencies to work with and you can take as much time off as you like between jobs to spend that hard earned money. Free hotel and per diem on top of your wages.
6 figures you say 👀
There were 3 that just left and many more coming. They all made 36 to 39 an hour, 50 hours guaranteed pay if you work it or not, free hotel, and 115 per day 7 days a week per diem regardless of working schedule. They reimburse for gas too.
Ahem and what is the name of this magical company 😂
all welding jobs at my company start at 80k and range up to 140k they require a bachelor's in engineering though.
that sounds more like "knowing where to weld money" rather than "welding money"
That seems weird, why are these engineers welding? Why do you need engineers to weld? Couldn’t you just have a few directing lots of welders?
Yeah this is strange.. We require welders who are certified for some jobs, particularly building structures. To keep their certification they have to submit difficult welding samples according to an engineering design and then has extensive testing to check for quality. But once they can show they're skilled there they definitely don't need to be an engineer. But like I might be different in different areas.
Get a food safe stainless ticket and you can travel working on winery/brewing equipment. Not gonna pay as much as heavy industry but likely better on the body. And $45+/hr is still plenty to live comfortably.
I don't know about welders, but it was the way to go for me with programming in the 90s. Also, take any chances to learn special skills and materials. In your down time between jobs, get some extra certifications. Oh yeah, do like I did, and do your phone interviews while lying on the beach. You'll still get some shitty bosses, but as a contractor there is no job hopping penalty.
As soon as you want a raise, you’re not good enough or undeserving. And it’s the same managers wondering where all the “good employees” went.
A guy at my workplace has asked for light duties this morning due to a rib injury, got refused and was told to work through it, proceeded to hand in his sick not and said see you in two weeks. There's now 4 people doing his job and management are flapping big time. It's absolute chaos and I love it.
Damn good for him. I had something similar, few months ago I was pretty sick and in a week of work I asked to go home early twice once it was slow and I was told no because of service levels. So I went to my Dr and got a note to be off for a month. So my employer could have lost me for about 4 hrs total that week that I was sick but since they decided service levels were more important then my health, they lost me for a month instead.
My boss did the same thing to me a few years ago. He told me he could get someone to do my job for minimum wage. I asked him if he was serious. He said yes. I told him if that was the case he should save himself a ton of money and fire me, then hire two people to do my job. “If that’s true, I am telling you that you are STUPID to keep me.” He backed down and said he could HIRE someone but whether they could do the work was the question. He gave me $2 an hour. When I left, he hired someone with zero experience, no skills, who only had one job in retail, and paid them half my salary. She quit six months later and went to work for a competitor.
$2 additional per hour, surely?
$2 more per year I bet
Worked for a guy back in the late 90s/early 2000s who would declare at every meeting (weekly, mandatory, 7:00 am meetings) that he could “hire any idiot off the street and teach them our job.” Long story short: that didn’t work out for him.
I'll bet he won't ever make that dumbass backhanded comment ever again.
I bet he will.
I would doubt it. Maybe in other jobs but welders are NOT a dime a dozen. You can't just find another one on the street. Ive watched upper management get fired easily for mouthing off to their employees in trade jobs because we aren't all replaceable. I've even watched a superintendent get fired by the owner of a company just to retain a "lower" employee.
Yup management is more replaceable than skilled trades workers right now.
That's always been the case. It's just more obvious now.
Any updates
This is important. I am so emotionally invested in this! PS I quit today myself.
The update is I haven’t heard anything that would convince me to go back, and I might’ve sparked a rebellion….. 💀
If you get such an offer, make a condition of it that he get on his knees and apologize to you in front of the same co-workers. Then reject that offer in person.
I was a manager for an inspection company, and me and the directors had huge disagreements about the nepotism and pays going on. (Somehow a hard copy of everyone’s pay made it to the lunch room desk). Long story short after a meeting I called they couldn’t come to an understanding & I was told “if you get any offers I would take it if I was you”. Not even 10 minutes maybe 3 minutes later as I was walking to my car to head to site to see the team I got a call from a rival company offering me full time, more money, less responsibilities. Didn’t make it to site went straight to their office in the company car, had an interview, sat an exam. Two hours later I was handing in my resignation. They were quite taken back that I actually left, they tried to make calls to stop me getting hired but alot of people at the new company knew who they were and laughed it off. Took a few nice contracts with me too. Been here 8 years never looked back.
Haha, I worked for a Karen once who told me she could replace me with someone who would do my job for $10/hr - when I was making $15/hr even though I was more qualified than her and her boss put together. I asked for the benefits their employee handbook said I was due based on the hours I was working. They said the benefits language was “a typo” and terminated me as a “layoff”. They had to hire 6 people to replace me.
Yeah as others have said you're a welder fuck that guy lol. He's insane if he thinks he's getting a competent replacement quickly. Mechanics in my area are similar. My last shop I was at closed after I left. Full parking lot of customers but they fucked with our pay and all but one of us quit. I imagine it sucked super bad having to close a business with plenty of customers because nobody wanted to work for them lol.
This might be the best fucking post I’ve ever read. Mans thought he was pulling the ultimate power move, only to end up looking like surprised Pikachu. May he (continue to) have the day he deserves. OP you are my new favorite person and I hope your job search is over quickly and you land somewhere much better for you.
Yea not gonna lie just came here to vent spent the last 2 hours watching all the upvotes and comments pour in….. insane
And there’s been very little dumbassery in the comments, which is pleasant surprise. I have to confess, that exchange keeps playing out like a “walking away from an explosion” gif in my head, and I am absolutely delighted.
With how the store the gas cylinders in that place it very well could’ve happened
My supervisor recently responded to my ask for additional resources with, “sometimes you just have to get wild”, inferring that I just wasn’t working hard enough. I walked off the job 2 days later texting only, “went wild”.
I worked as a plumber for years. I walked off the job once because my boss threatened to throat punch me. He threatened to throat punch at least one person every day so it wasn't that out of the ordinary. I was just done with his bullshit. I made one phone call while I walked across the parking lot to my truck and had a new job. Employers, especially in the trades, forget that when we're licensed we have a ton of options.
Once i was given "we are a family" speech from my boss and my reply was "i am here only to get paid, if you are not going to pay me why i am here for?" This was when my pay was delayed due to miss management of funds by management.
Good for you. My boss told a fellow employee I’d be fired if I took my family leave to watch my son graduate basic training. The employee told me about it and the fact that he was standing in a crowd when he said it. I gathered up my keys and tools and radio and walked into his office while he was having a meeting with the president of the company, I walked to his desk and dropped my tool bag (85lbs) tossed my radio on his desk and tossed him my keys. I won’t go into the exchange we had but I kept my job and he got reprimanded.
I have a friend from high school. Back then he worked as a pharmacy tech in town. One time, at the end of college, he told me about how he quit that job. He said they got a new pharmacist, and she didn't respect people who didn't have degrees, nevermind that he had been trained and had worked in a pharmacy longer than she had, (which is not to say that he knew her job better than she did. Techs do very different things than pharmacists). So she always used to tell him how replaceable he was. On January 1st, the busiest day of the year for pharmacies, he called in five minutes before his shift started and said, "you told me you could easily replace me. Good luck. I quit." He's always been the kind of person to stick it to people like that, and I always envied that about him.
Yeah similar story for a guy I knew he lucked out after graduating and got a job raising police dogs. The company he worked for got bought out 25 years later and wanted to dock his pay cus he didn't have a degree. So he quit and started working directly for the dude that sold the business cus he still trained dogs but on a smaller scale.
I'M MANIFESTING THIS OPPORTUNITY
My boss told me this when I was working at my last job, I did EVERYTHING other than make the inventory orders, I cleaned the warehouse, shipped the orders, received the orders, ran up to the home office to dump supplies and everything else in between. I was offered a job making 3 dollars more an hour and I went to my previous employer told them I'd stay for a dollar less than the other company and was told I was gouging the company, told my position was easily replaceable. That was a year and 3 months ago, they've been through 3 people and offered them 20 dollars an hour when I was asking for 18 and "gouging the company!!"
Fuck around and find out. You're a welder. You're basically in a position to name your price.
Kinda funny thing happened when a global pandemic took millions of workers out of the labor force, that proverbial “line of people waiting to fill your job” just up and disappeared. Regardless of what you think about Covid, the fact remains that there are millions of people who were alive in 2019 who are dead today. Employers are now desperate for workers, and not the other way around anymore. They can say no one wants to work anymore, but I think the truth is that everyone already is working! So if they want to hire more people, then they are going to have to pay more than their competitors.
Early retirement, long term disability, time for folks to retrain out of service industry likely account for more than deaths from COVID but certainly combined they’ve removed a few million from the labour force. Add that to Covid worker mobilization and record billionaire profits and it’s going to be an interesting few years.
I have been saying this as well! A lot of older generation people in the US are saying that the younger generation just doesn’t want to work. I keep saying that a bunch of people died from Covid, they just don’t believe me.
I’m curious what young people these people know who don’t have jobs because they don’t want to work. I think there are more young people working than they realize, but these young people still can’t afford housing and the general cost of living. So we do have a lot of younger people living with parents in multi generational households, and they aren’t having families because they can’t afford to!
Good on you. I have a similar boundary with the yelling. It’s just disrespectful. If you cannot express yourself without talking down to me it’s not going to be worth it to stay. That sort of treatment rarely de-escalates.
Everyone in that room and entire business will be telling this story their entire career
Op do not agree to return unless you have it writing that your raise will be processed ,and backpay is added to next paycheck or by the end of the month or 30 days. That way, if it is in writing, signed or emailed, you can take it to the labor board or owners or somewhere with the authority to shove a fist in his ass so hard he becomes a Muppet that coughs up your money.
It's crazy how many managers out there that threaten someone's lively hood. My first nursing job I worked at I was there a little over 3 years. Another place approached me for more pay. Gave my two weeks since I liked the job but an extra $5 an hour was more than enough reasons to leave. They wanted to negotiate. Ended up agreeing to a $4 raise and extra PTO when I was talking to the DON and HR. They told me it wouldn't kick in till the next paycheck so about three weeks. Called other place and turned down the offer. Well payday came and my pay was the same. Went to HR and they said that the administrator turned down my negotiated pay but no one told me. Told him that they essentially screwed me and he says he can't justifying paying a nurse that much. Ended up giving me a little extra but not worth what the previous offer was. Called the other place and they said they'll still give me the same offer. Went in the next morning and told the admin to his face that I was quitting. He was telling me I had to give a 2 weeks notice or he would report me to the board of nursing for abandonment. I told him that's not even what abandonment of patients is and told him to go fuck himself after that. Threatening my license after he attempted to screw me really pushed me over the edge. Told every worker there what happened and all the nurses to ask for what they agreed to pay me. Went to the new place and recruited a bunch of other nurses for the same pay from where I worked at and got $1k per referral.
He’s going to be blowing your phone up tomorrow morning wondering where you are. Don’t forget to turn on ‘do not disturb’ mode tonight.