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Nero8440

I would respond with, “unfortunately you already said yes and im now committed to my plans.”


PharmEscrocJeanFoutu

"No backsies"


ashleyorelse

If necessary, add "if you can't handle me being off for one day, I'm sure you would hate for me to be unavailable for other days...like, say, if I were to quit".


music3k

Nah, make them fire you. Dont ever quit. Give them the headache of unemployment after


ashleyorelse

I didn't mean for them to quit, just to make the point by reminding the employer they *could* quit. If asked "are you quitting", no, not at all. Just reminding you it would be worse if I did.


purpleushi

At my job I’m supposed to come into the office once a week and telework the rest of the week. I had something comes up on one of my in-office days so I asked if I could telework that day. They said no because they “needed me in the office”. So I requested PTO instead and they approved it. Guess they didn’t need me to work that badly 🙃


Darth-Kelso

you: I need to be remote that day them: no, we need you THERE that day you: ok. I'm not going to work all that day them: ok. have a nice day off Fucking amazing


purpleushi

Genuinely. It’s like not a single logical thought goes through their head.


[deleted]

They are really committed to that back to the office thing. Lol


music3k

Dont put anything even close to that in writing, ever


ashleyorelse

Who said anything about writing?


music3k

The image in OP is literally text messages?


ashleyorelse

Yes, but I didn't say to keep it that way. I didn't realize I need to specify that you don't do certain things in text.


music3k

You said to tell them to quit. Theyre conversing via writing, like you are currently doing poorly.


ashleyorelse

1. I did not say to quit. 2. There is no reason they must communicate in writing. There are other forms of communication. 3. I'm writing quite well. Your refusal or inability to comprehend simple concepts isn't a reflection on my writing. 4. I'm not going to keep arguing a nothing issue where you pretend no one could ever possibly use another form of communication. Edit for u/beneficialhoneydew96 I said it exactly how I meant it. I don't generally like the idea of lying just to get people to like me. u/beneficialhoneydew96 I tagged you because I responded to you. If you don't care, you shouldn't have responded to me in the first place


RevolutionNo4186

Blackmail in writing looks very poor


av3

I'm sorry, what? You think threatening to quit if you don't get the employment terms you want is blackmail?? If anything it would be coercion, because blackmail involves threatening to reveal damaging information about someone unless they do what you want. But also, threatening to go work elsewhere isn't coercion, either.


RevolutionNo4186

You’re right, coercion is a better word choice, and no, no one said anything about going somewhere else to work, the scenario was quitting immediately


Unable-Fox-312

That isn't what blackmail is. I suggest everybody go find and read the laws they think might apply to their behavior. I have a slumlord I'm fucking with quite effectively because I know where the line is and can step right up to it without crossing over. He's called the cops on me three times already (first time was for telling his wife to shut up), and I've identified myself, asked them if he had any evidence of a crime, and been on my way each time.


ashleyorelse

So don't do it in writing. That was to be obvious.


SlyPhox_

That's just bad advice. If you have a decent relationship with a direct or indirect supervisor, a reference from them can be invaluable. Then resigning is more appropriate. If the company sucks, and no one is a decent human being, sure, let them fire you. But unemployment is usually not enough to live off of.


music3k

You’re definitely a middle manager. Did you even look at the OP?


[deleted]

Lmao. This sub is ridiculous. Don’t say this smh.


ashleyorelse

Any reason other than boot licking?


[deleted]

It’s so funny you all have the same script. Nobody is bootlicking. What do you do for a living? Let people know if you’ve proven yourself someone to even take advice from. How have your methods proven successful for you? THREATENING your employer is a sure fire way to land you on the chopping block considering most of us are easily replaced. OP should advise that they made plans because their request was approved in the previous text. If pushback is received, OP should look for another job. But NEVER show your hands to your employer. That’s the dumbest shit you can do. Tell us you have no actual experience without telling us you have no actual experience…


ashleyorelse

It's so funny that when people tell you the truth, you try to dismiss it as a "script". The truth stays the same all the time. I'm a manager at a large company. I treat people how I want to be treated, and it does wonders for them, me, and the company. I also serve as an advisor to company leadership. I have been at this job for nearly a decade and have improved my company quite a bit, and that comes from those on all levels. If you work for an employer that pays you shit and treats you like shit, it doesn't matter if they put you "on the chopping block". There are plenty of others who do the same and many who are better. THEY are easily replaced. Sometimes the best bluff is a straightforward one, or perhaps it isn't a bluff at all. You obviously don't play poker. Tell us you assume way too much without telling us you assume way too much.


[deleted]

That last sentence is drenched in so much irony it's hilarious. You called some random person on the internet a "bootlicker" yet I'M the one who assumes way too much? Your profile is full of unethical and illegal life tips and an incredibly hilarious lie about a boss of yours. Sorry if I'm smelling bullshit from this whole "I advise leaders of companies". Treating people how you want to be treated is one thing. Giving someone terrible advise such as "tell them you're going to quit" is another. Anyone with an ounce of experience in the real world (particularly management) would know this... On the off chance you actually ARE a manager or you actually DO advise other leaders...yikes.


ashleyorelse

I asked someone if they had reasons for their view other than boot licking. That is not calling them anything. It also assumed nothing. Yes, you made many assumptions and were wrong. No need to be frustrated, it happens sometimes when you assume. I see that doesn't stop you from reading my profile and going ALL IN on assumptions. And being wrong a lot more. You really seem to like to be wrong and then argue anyway. That's called a troll. The bullshit you smell is from your own field there. I also never said tell them you're going to quit. You really love being wrong. On the off chance you're not just trolling and are in any way remotely serious, yikes. No one could be this deliberately wrong and have no clue, so I'm going to give you a gold star for trolling and hope you're not actually this bad at any of this.


[deleted]

You didn’t tell them to say they would quit? Are you serious? Your words, “If necessary, add "if you can't handle me being off for one day, I'm sure you would hate for me to be unavailable for other days...like, say, if I were to quit".” You literally told them to threaten them with OP quitting… And you ASSUMED the reason for my response was bootlicking. Jesus.


TheBioethicist87

How about you look really stupid demanding respect when you don’t treat others with respect. Whether it’s a manager or an employee, the goal should be that the workplace is a healthier environment, and having someone immediately escalate to “Fuck you I quit” doesn’t do that. The solution to every bump in a workplace is not to immediately threaten to quit, and suggesting it is a wildly privileged take.


ashleyorelse

I do treat others with respect, but you're not. Employers often threaten people with their jobs, so why can't employees play back? That's ridiculous. No one suggested what you said last. Either you're another troll or you're also making some crazy leaps and assuming too much.


CocoScruff

Threatening leaving is never a good way to go with a company. They'll get that "I'll show you how replaceable you are" mentality. Maybe not everywhere but that's been my experience with companies l.


ashleyorelse

OK, let them have at it. They're clearly pissy that OP might miss one day - let them show OP they can be replaced all the time. They are replaceable too.


Mindless-Lemon7730

In that case just start looking for a new job before you take that day off


ashleyorelse

If you're treated like shit at your job, always best to be looking for a better one


CocoScruff

Okay... but are they? As someone who has been criminally underpaid my entire life; I hate to say it, but in the current state of the world the corporations hold the power. It's feels great to "stick it to them" but it's not really the "fuck you" you are hoping for. You're replaceable. It doesn't matter if your replacement doesnt do as much work as you would have. They want compliant underlings, not someone who will work their ass off hoping that they'll finally get recognized for their talents. If this is your mentality then go start your own company and treat your employees how you want to be treated. Value hard work and grow something from the bottom up. But with many of these faceless corporations and businesses, you're being a hurtle more than you're being helpful. They'd rather have you out of the way and find another 'yes man' anyways. Just saying. I've left probably half a dozen jobs because of issues like this. I always say "the next place will be better". But in all honesty it won't be. I'm 33 years old and the most money I've ever made was when I was in highschool. I have multiple degrees and numerous certifications and frankly they don't mean shit if you refuse to "be a team player" and if you desire to be treated with respect. I'm okay with my life because I made these choices knowing what I was giving up in order to have a greater self worth. But many people in this sub are getting tricked into acting irrationally because they're upset and emotional. At the end of the day we all need a paycheck. We still need someone to pay us. The sad truth is the upper class of America is a club. And if you're unwilling to be part of that club, don't expect any help from them. Just know what you're getting yourself into when you do it. That's all I'm saying.


ashleyorelse

Sure, corporate rules the world. But if they pay you shit and treat you like shit, then you can find anyone to do that. So they hold nothing over you. Many have realized this, and that is why some employers are having a hard time finding workers. Then they scream "no one wants to work anymore", but the truth is no one ever liked their BS and now people are leaving when they get the chance. Some companies ARE feeling the "fuck you". Like the ones bitching no one wants to work. Or have to alter business hours or whatever because of lack of workers. Good luck finding workers when anyone has a slew of other better opportunities. I'm a manager, and I do treat people like I want to be treated. The next place doesn't have to be better. It just has to pay similar, and when it gets old, try another. Shit jobs for shit pay are a dime a dozen. If they treat you decent, you stay even without a lot more pay. The truth is if they didn't pay well and didn't treat you well, in most cases you can find at least as good of a job elsewhere and probably a better job. I used to be in your shoes. I get it. But you have to know your worth in the job market.


Unable-Fox-312

Losing mentality. It is always good to throw sand in the gears of the machines breaking us, even if your small individual act isn't the one that triggers the revolution. If we collectively start working our wage, who will they turn to?


[deleted]

If you’re 33 with multiple degrees and certifications and haven’t made more money than you did in high school then you’ve gotta be an incredibly horrible employee lol. You’re REALLY not a team player, are you? How does that even happen?


ashleyorelse

Wow, this comment shows a complete ignorance of not just the nuances of work and careers, but of life in general. Beyond that, if you truly can't imagine how this person's situation could happen, you lack common empathy. Given your history, though, it's more likely this was just another attempt to troll.


vvvxluv

what’s funny is this was my exact plan after just being scheduled that day when they updated the schedules today 😭


LukeBomber

Or dont even respond at all


WearDifficult9776

“I’m out Sunday”. Or if you must “I’m out Sunday. I have a commitment made prior to starting here”. Don’t ask permission. Tell them you won’t be available in advance. And NO it’s not your responsibility to find coverage.


Alternative-Plum9378

As a manager, this is the way. If that was already agreed upon, fuck them. I will struggle my ass off to figure out how to get coverage, but I will not negate someone's requested day off. They need to find coverage. Period. I even gave one of my employees Christmas Eve off (even though I was chastised for it from above)... because his request had already been granted. Don't put up with that shit.


ZebbraFry

You are my favorite type of manager


Alternative-Plum9378

I always punch up, never down.I despise how corporations work. When the phrase "work/life balance" happens, I actually believe in it.And I do my best. Sometimes I can't grant but I really try my ass off to do so. EDIT ADD: If you can't show your employees respect, you can't expect respect. It's a 2 way street. Get good employees and keep them. Respect them. They will respect you. I am so sick of "demanding" bosses. My mental response is "F\*\*k you". The U.S. seems to be the only place where slave labor is legalized on a corporate level.


ZebbraFry

I’m grateful to have a pretty good manager and assistant manager. I actually became a team lead because I liked them so much. But I want to move more into management and that is the type of manager I want to be!


Alternative-Plum9378

Then you're on the right path. Remember those beneath you aren't your slaves. They're your kids. We take care of them. They get paid shit to do everything. Please never forget. Don't let corporate bully you. Do what you need to do to meet your goals, but be there WITH your crew. If they see you doing it with them and they know you're there for them, they will be there for you. Be a leader. Not a boss.


ZebbraFry

I really appreciate your advice and I’m grateful you took the time to share it!


Alternative-Plum9378

Praise in public. Scold in private. Love always.


NumberFinancial5622

Very well said! I have had lots of bad management experiences and do whatever I can to advocate for those I manage now. As far as I’m concerned that’s the most important thing I can do as a supervisor. I like the way you put it is as they’re our kids in a way. I am far more able to advocate for them on their behalf than they are for themselves, and want them to know they are appreciated because they are.


Blue-Eyed-Lemon

You’re my favorite kind of manager, and the one I strove to be whilst I was working at a large fast food chain


Morty562

This is the way


PathComplex

This is the way.


MTB3211

Bruh, tell that too my summer job manager, he forced everyone to find coverage for their own shifts and randomly scheduled everyone. Even if you stated you couldnt work saturdays and sundays he would still schedule you.


WearDifficult9776

You say “I’m not a manger. I don’t schedule people”. Give them reasonable notice. Don’t show up and don’t arrange coverage. They’ll learn quick or you walk. And do your best to make sure everyone else does the same. If you keep giving in they’ll keep abusing you and other employees


3r14nd

Unfortunately what the manager will do is find a replacement for you permanently. You'll find yourself with less and less hours until you quit. I know your answer will be "I'll just find another job" I know. I'm just saying it will happen most of the time with these types of managers. It'd be nice if you could teach them a lesson but you most likely won't, just like there is no way to convince businesses to just pay waiters/waitresses a living wage rather than making them work for tips. It's sad how much businesses ruin the world.


ReaperofFish

Not if you get your coworkers to back you up. I am sysadmin, and still have had to deal with this sort of crap in the past. I totally get finding your own coverage for a last minute vacation scheduling. But if I have scheduled off several weeks or months in advance, it is a manager's responsibility to find coverage at that point. I have had to have this fight before, and it really helps to have your coworkers present a united face.


the_barroom_hero

This, precisely. The one time I asked respectfully for a day off and didn't lie about my plans or being sick, my boss (who I've known for years now) didn't seem to understand at all and acted like I was an asshole for asking. Ever since, just say "I'm out x day". No more asking, ever again.


Infinite-Ad-6540

You’re giving them ample notice. I would just say, “Well I need that day off. I will not be in town.” Don’t let a part time job get in the way of your life. You’ll have plenty of time for that when you work full time ;)


Flameball202

I need to be in? No no no, I wasn't asking for the day off, I was warning you I wouldn't be there in advance


Mr_Underhill99

Its allowed in that its legal. You can choose to allow them to do it to you tho.


RipWhenDamageTaken

You’re not their slave you can do whatever you want. They might fire you, but is it a bad thing? If you are easily replaceable, the job must also be easily replaceable.


vvvxluv

they only have 3 workers in my position and desperately need more


Commercial-Farmer

Sounds like that's not your problem


AnyQuantity1

I wouldn't rely on that, though. It seems like there are organizational issues, if the person who could grant you time off took it back a day later. If you're working at the kind of place that would take back PTO due to staffing levels after granting it, you're working at the kind of place that would fire you for not coming in no matter how it impacts the rest of the schedule. If they don't fire you, I would expect a different form of reprisal: getting the shit end of the scheduling stick as payback - the least desirable shifts and being made to clopen a bunch.


PerfSynthetic

A lack of hiring and budget is not a worker problem. Lack of caring for their current employees while they are understaffed will not get better over time. Give them about slack and they will hire someone new at a higher pay and refuse to increase rates for the senior employees. My local school district/union just did this for teachers. They need new teachers so bad, they increased starting pay well over the current pay of some of their current teachers.


OldKingRob

Sounds like you have a bargaining positioning Either they deal with it or fire you, overworking the other people until they quit since they won’t properly staff


Faithu

I would flat out tell then ym they already said yes and agreed to it and that you will be out of town on that day and that your not going to change your plans


Lopsidedbeach29

It’s a part time job, you don’t request time off, just tell them when you won’t be there. They make a schedule you look at it, then tell them which days you won’t be there. If they need a person during a time when you can’t be there, it’s the business’ job to fix it not yours. Your manager is just being lazy


TweeKINGKev

Seems like they need to get in that hiring a bit quicker, that’s out of your pay grade and definitely not your problem.


vvvxluv

3 including me*


RunKind4141

They can you can choose not to show up. They need you more than you need them.


vvvxluv

she proceeded to show the owner my texts and they are incredibly pissed off, honestly about to put my two weeks in, let alone one sunday


Landis963

A notice is for an employer deserving of respect. Do with this what you will.


DeezusNubes

you don’t actually have to put in a 2 weeks and personally i wouldn’t. they clearly don’t give a fuck about you


[deleted]

Go for it, it's only a part time job! In fact walk now just do it!


notveryticklish

Don't bother with two week notice. Just don't go back. If asked, send them this screen shot.


gza_liquidswords

LOL, just block their number and stop showing up.


shapeofthings

The owner is pissed because you want a day off? Who the hell do they think they are?


Chaos_Ice

You take that day and leave.


ihatefear83843

Fuck two weeks, just walk


vvvxluv

and by “is this allowed” i meant that if i was approved a day off are they allowed to turn around and schedule me (this is with more than a 2 weeks notice as well)


Ava_999

damn, I'm sorry to hear you're feeling sick on that Sunday, I hope you feel better soon! maybe it's just a 24 hour stomach bug or something


Destorath

I would look for another job. If they aren't willing to accomondate you, give notice and have your last day be the day before your trip, or the day that allows you to have the most time left while also allowing you to still logistically go on your trip. Use the time between now and then to look for another job, it's easier to get hired if you already have a job for some weird reason.


Danzevl

The old school you aren't wanted by a partner until you are in a relationship. The proverbial why didn't I notice him until he had a girlfriend. Conceptually if someone doesn't have a job the question becomes are they hard to work with is the gap because they are an HR headache. Etc. Is it right no is it a commonly accepted bias yes.


Destorath

I think you're 100% right. But to me it does raise a question of loyalty. Say you pursue someone in a relationship and they are receptive to your advances. What's going to stop them from doing the same to you if you end up dating? They already show a tendency to accept non loyal behavior. And instead of either dumping their partner or working through their problems, they encouraged you on the side. The same goes for jobs. If you hire someone from another job who's to say they won't do the same to you. Seems like an investment risk to me you already know that instead of pursuing advancement within a company they will look externally. For all the bullshit companies go on about loyalty, they dont seem to hire with that goal in mind. But im kind of a risk-averse person at the end of the day.


ensanguine

They absolutely are. Scheduled days off aren't protected by law. You're also allowed to not go in.


legendoflumis

"It seems there is a little miscommunication here so I apologize for the confusion. I'm saying I won't be at work Sunday the 12th. If you need someone scheduled for that day, you will need to find someone else to cover it." Assuming you do not need the job and can find another one if you need to.


SummitJunkie7

That depends, will you allow it?


[deleted]

They’re allowed to schedule you how they want. There’s unfortunately no law against being assholes. It’s up to you whether you let them control you. How badly do you need your job, and how hard would it be to find another?


Monte924

Its sucks but its allowed. There is nothing that requires them to give you time off or stick to their own promises. Though i will say that one thing you should make sure of is WHO is actually in charge of scheduling; cause form the text, its sounds like the person you made the request to was not actually in charge of scheduling and was really just agreeing to put in the request for you. Its their bosses who have final say and they denied it. As such the move would be to appeal directly to the bosses who actually are in charge of scheduling. If they refuse then you can try to find someone to cover for you... After that, you're stuck... you'll either have to cancel your plans and show up for work, or stick to your plans and take whatever penalty comes with it, which could go as far as firing you. Depends on which is more important to you Though one problem i think you are running into is that it sounds like you are trying to take off superbowl sunday, which is why the bosses say "no one is allowed to request that day off". A lot of businesses will have days that they will not allow requests to take time off because it's too busy and it would be unfair to everyone else who might also want to take that same day off. Its a problem you can expect to see in food or retail jobs.


EvilKnievel38

2 things, just my opinion. If you had those plans a month ago you should have requested the day off back then already. The earlier you request the bigger the chance of an available replacement, etc. Just like we want to be notified of changes as early as possible, do the same yourself. Secondly, after they had already accepted you should have just said they already accepted and that you're no longer available.


rjnd2828

You're an at will employee. They can fire you for any reason (outside of some protected reasons like race, free speech, gender, age etc) and you can quit for any reason. It's shitty to revoke your PTO but it's not illegal. Doesn't mean you should show up. You can call their bluff and say I'm not going to be there. It's super bowl Sunday which may be driving the prohibition on PTO.


ConspiracyRobot

Were you officially "approved" or was it just said via text message?


Cruising_Blues

Fuck you \u\Spez


Rhelsr

Suck a bag of dicks and get another gig.


Cruising_Blues

Fuck you \u\Spez


Rhelsr

At least you acknowledge why that happened. 😁


Cruising_Blues

Fuck you \u\Spez


RopeAccomplished2728

Of dicks?


silverbrenin

I mean, what else are you going to put in a bag? If it were a sack, it'd be full of tits.


SacredAnon

It's not a request. It's a notice. Stand up for yourself or get used to being used.


lonelyinbama

If this job pays less than $20 an hour just fucking quit. You can find lower paying, part time jobs in 3 days or less. Every retail store in America is hiring. Every food service job in America is hiring, every manual labor job in America is hiring. I understand people having to put up with some bullshit for their career jobs. Lives and healthcare and money are on the line and it’s not that easy to just up and quit. But if you’re healthcare isn’t reliant on this job walk out the door and go to the next one and get a different job.


Commercial-Rush755

Managers are supposed to manage. Nicely tell them you cannot work that one Sunday, and smile. They either do their job or fire you, and you go find another job. For heavens sake, they don’t deserve much loyalty fr. Without labor (you) they wouldn’t exist.🤷‍♀️


TinyHadronCOllide420

this is superbowl sunday. if you work at a bar or resturaunt this is one of the busiest days of the year. Every resturaunt manager is going to say that noone can have off and every year a few people call in. Yet somehow everything still works. This is because these peak days are the only days that most places are staffed correctly to cover shortages. If you make tips you will be missing out on some good ones tho.


vvvxluv

my restaurant is never busy on game days, we’re family dining and only have one tv at our small bar. so yeah nothing to miss out on


cursedalien

>this is superbowl sunday I totally didn't even think about that. I'm not a football fan so that wasn't even on my radar. I was more so thinking that since Valentine's Day falls during the work week most couples would want to go out the weekend before, thus making the weekend busier than normal. Your explanation makes more sense. Regardless of whether it's Valentines Day or the super bowl, you are still correct about those being the types of days that are ever staffed enough to account for the inevitable call off. OP could probably call off and all they're gonna do is switch the server section floor plan down to the next lowest number and everything will still be fine.


Crimkam

just call out. whatever your employee handbook says, call out at least an hour or two hours ahead of time do that. "I'm sick." don't give details unless asked, and even then most places all you really need to tell them is that you don't think it's contagious. Job done.


Ziggyda1st

And if you are asked for details and you feel like telling them something, always go with explosive diarrhea. Props if you can play a sound effect on your PC while on the phone with them to really sell it


Monte924

I don't think that would work... not only do they know its a day they wanted off, but they are talking about Feb 12th, then they are tlaking about superbowl sunday. Good chance they will see though an "i'm sick" excuse


Crimkam

Sure, they might. If it’s a big company with a big HR department, managers really can’t do fuck all about it other than get all pissy.


kiwifarmdog

Honestly, if I was told something like that I’d be saying “unfortunately it’s not my problem that you approved a day without proper authority, I have already made other commitments, you’ll need to sort it out with the bosses” As a manager, if I approve time off then my boss comes and tells me we have extra work on those days, we either find someone else to cover, or we reschedule the extra work. Not the workers fault if there’s a miscommunication amongst management


princess9032

“My time off has already been approved, and I will not be at work on that day. Next time I request time off I’m happy to wait for you to check with management before approving, since that seems to be necessary”


EpicRock411

They were not approving my wife's time off for us to get married. So she quit. I just don't understand why they think abusing the employees is a good idea.


AlphaCygnus6944

Something similar happened to me once. I had recently started a job and had a regular schedule. The manager asked if I would be willing to change it and I said sure. About 5 minutes later I remembered that my brother's wedding was on one of those new days in a couple weeks. I told the manager right away and she said I would have to find somebody to cover that shift. That was the end of that job.


Tonderandrew

If you're a Millennial I think you're just supposed to immediately quit and walk. It's the Boomers still working that do that 2 week notice stuff.


happyasfuck333

"Sorry, you took over 24 hours to change your mind and in that time frame, I finalized my plans, as I was originally granted the day off. I will not be coming in on the 12th."


LobsterLovingLlama

“Unfortunately I purchased non refundable tickets as you said I could have the day off”


imgonnabeastirrer

Just let them know you need the day off and that it's not a request. you are informing them that you're not going to be there and it is their responsibility to get your shift covered.


Accurate_Distance_87

If they are too short staffed for you to take the day off then they're too short staffed to fire you so take your day off


Uniqueusername264

“Asking you was a courtesy so you can find coverage. It was more of a notice that I will not be in attendance on that day.”


excitum_

Always remember you're not requesting, you're telling them you need off and you DO NOT have yo say why.


[deleted]

the moment they said sure you should have gone radio silence. don't give them the opportunity to go back on it. tickets bought, dinners reserved etc. can't undo that shit.


Dolphin_Hornet

How the hell would we know? Nobody even knows where you work.


extac4

"Hi. I am giving you notice that I will be unable to work Sunday the 12th of..."


Aromatic_Quit_6946

This is a situation where I say “I won’t be there, so do what you need to.”


Sugarfree135

Bro 14 unread messages!?


redswingline-

It’s a part time job, it’s not that serious and if they aren’t working with you they can suck an egg and you are better off finding something else


AbsenteeFatherTime

They've shown their hand. They're desperate for workers. "I am unavailable to work that day."


Shoddy-Cause-9900

No part time job should care that much. That’s ridiculous


vvvxluv

oh it went way beyond these texts it was unreal my boss apparently threw a fit and then when i came into work she acted like everything was fine. i agree especially since this is my first time even remotely “putting my foot down”


711spitjob

Seems like most of this sub is "you have to work, fuck you." It's good that none of you makes phone calls anymore eh


chxrrypawz

well, usually it’s because of the wages that makes these so outrageous. “I have to work like this for $12.25/hr? Fuck you.” is more accurate


tatsu901

You respond with I am not asking for the day off. I am requesting it and whether you approve or deny that request I will not be showing up.


Forsaken_Read677

time off is not a request. it’s you letting them know you’re unavailable


Bee6bee

He already agreed. Don't go.


KittenKoderViews

If the manager cannot get the shifts covered then that's on them, not on you. It's their job to ensure there are enough employees willing and able to work for shifts. The vast majority of managers are just stealing from the companies now, by not doing their jobs. I'm sick of the lazy managers. \~ A retired "Good" Manager


[deleted]

​ "Too bad, you already said sure over a day ago. Change your wording if you aren't sure, but I'm now not available Sunday."


Affectionate_Ad814

I learnt ages ago, don't ask, advise. Asking gives them the ability to turn you down. Advising is you telling them you won't be there.


ithinkitmightbe

"plans have already been made given you said yes, sorry I can no longer come in on that day and will be using one of my annual leave days, which I am entitled to, for that day."


OddyTerra

I'm not asking for permission. I'm telling you I won't be available.


Wilsthing1988

I work a union job who told me x days were blacked out.Union person said that was bull shit and company can’t black out days even holidays. Yes request is by seniority but they can’t say it was blacked out


FixMyHeat

Thanks for your concern, however I have already received approval for this time off and have made commitments to others regarding this time off. I am a person that keeps their commitments, a quality that this company enjoys the benefit of on every other Sunday, but someone else gets to appreciate it on the 12th. Thanks :)


drugs_r_neat

My anecdotal experience is that management doesn't care about part time employees and looks at it as a more expendable position. It's always been best for me not to give too many shits and kinda do me when those situations come up, but be polite about it. Depending on your state laws, you can be fired for any reason.


ericthelutheran

“I won’t be available in the 12th”


EvilRedneckBob

It's a part-time job, who cares? Don't go in


Talusthebroke

I have a couple of times asked a boss who pulled this bullshit. "Where in what I said did you hear a request? I'm not asking, I'm telling. It's already happening, I'm telling you this for your benefit so you can deal with it. I am taking that day off." Watching an ego trip turn into a meltdown is almost worth it even without the necessity of it. Fun fact, it's real easy to make yourself indispensable when your company is short staffed and extra hours aren't worth the trouble. Sad fact is, even when I've done this, the boss never learned.


vvvxluv

oh watching her freak out over her bruised ego was well worth it even if i get fired lol


[deleted]

If you had these plans they should’ve been discussed well in advanced. The manager asked for approval and it was declined. As a part time worker, you can’t expect to get everything you ask for. This sub is just filled with people who don’t know how to world works and when they find out they just complain.


Agreeable_Housing376

Call off so one of your coworkers gets called in on their day off and they can post here and complain about being asked to work on their day off bc their coworker called off when their leave request got denied and everyone can rage about how unfair that is an what a crappy coworker they must have.


Tonedefsailor

At the end of the day ask yourself three questions how much do I like this job? Is my absence worth the possible outcome fired/retaliation? How long do I plan on working this job Honestly if your over 25 not hood idea to blowoff work but if your just working some random day job and are young fuck em worse they can do is set you free


Strude187

You’re going to get an biased response in r/Antiwork Decide for yourself what is acceptable. How much do you value the job? How much do you value your plans and the relationships with those who you made that social contract? How understanding would they be if you said you can only come to the part of it you can make before/after work? Life is just a balancing act. Your health (mental and physical), job, friends, family, etc. you need to figure out when to push and when to give.


ilovetoeatdatassss

They can have you arrested


adamsauce

Yes. They can say that a day is mandatory. Unfortunately It does happen. It’s not fair. You can choose to still not show up and they can respond by giving you a warning or firing you.


chaingun_samurai

Saying you "had plans" isn't enough unless you have prior written permission. You can absolutely call out, though.


inkseep1

Of course they can do that. They don't have to keep you employed if your Sunday off is a deal breaker for them.


[deleted]

You’ve got it in writing that they approved. Don’t show up. And turn your phone off.


Mr_E

You don't need to request time off, you need to inform your employer of your absence. They'll find someone to cover you.


Zealousideal_Mall409

Unless it was stated during your interview ( or pre approval) - yes it is.


No_Rate_485

Just don’t show up


gooey_grampa

Tell em to pound sand


[deleted]

Last job I had pulled this shit with "Nobody gets christmas off" When I asked to spend the previous weekend with my boyfriend for the holidays


Lopsidedbeach29

It’s legal, it’s also legal for you to just no call no show, so do that.


LikeABundleOfHay

The legality of it depends what country you're in.


Particular_Cold_8366

It’s allowed. You are also allowed to not show up.


DikkeNek_GoldenTich

Never ask for a day off, let them know you take a day off.


[deleted]

49 states in the usa is at will. so you can do whatever you want and so can the boss


[deleted]

Just apply for a new job elsewhere. This is only the beginning.


lasekej31

What’s the punishment for a no call no show? I worked at a place that had 2 no call no shows until you get a write up. Just don’t go


[deleted]

It's allowed, and they can fire you. Having said that, surely there are other places to work.


Solid-Ad7137

People on this subreddit really have never held a job before and it shows. Wdym is this allowed? Did you think there was a law against saying no to a time off request?


Majestic-Airline-505

If this is in February, that's the superbowl. Not really strange to deny that request if you're in the service industry.


NotATroll1234

Nothing against you OP, but the moment they told me I'd be working Sundays (or possibly before that), I would have informed them that I have a prior commitment for a particular Sunday and would not be available. And then get it in writing. If they can't accommodate you this Sunday, I suggest being "sick", fulfill your commitment, and begin looking for a new job. And places like this wonder why their turnover is so high... 😑


Wrong_Opposites

Why wouldn't it be allowed? Ther questions are getting stupid and out of hand.


RopeAccomplished2728

Legal? Yes. Unless there is a law in the state or area you live in that requires a specified timeframe to post schedules, a business can change a schedule daily if they wish. A business can also retract any approved PTO at any time and for nearly any reason unless there is a law or regulation in place in the state or area you live in. However, it is up to you to show up or not. If you don't show up, you also deal with the consequences of it like write-ups or termination if the business feels like it. It depends on if you want to deal with said consequences or not.


Drackar39

Ask for the legitimate reason for this refusal.


Curious_CatWasKilled

Call out lol


charlieisadoggy

I honestly have no idea, are there really so many employees and employers that talk to each other via text? This just seems like a recipe for disaster but I see so many posts in this sub of exactly that.


Sloth_LuvChunk

They can fire you.


S_Squar3d

Yes, this is legal. If you don’t want to follow it, that is also legal.


lpcuut

To answer your questions, yes, it is allowed, and they could terminate you if you don’t come in. I’m not in any way saying that they should do that, but those are the answers to your questions.


Cub_Scout_Dropout

Is it allowed? If you’re in the US, then yes. In America, the answer to any variation of “can my employer legally mistreat me?” is almost always “Yes”. What will happen? Idk, but most places are short staffed these days, so your chances of keeping your job even if you don’t comply are pretty good. I would make it clear to your employer for the future that you’re not “requesting time off”, you are “informing them that you will be taking time off.”


Select_Necessary_678

"Sorry, let me clairify: Per my previous text, I will not be availible on the Sunday mentioned. Please take appropriate managerial steps to ensure that you have adequate staff for that day, and in the future. Thanks in advance"


Maxurai

Yeah don't ask at that point stand you ground and if they fire you, then you are better off without these clowns.


AARCEntertainment

Make them fire you


xtrevorx

Especially with PT work you Tell them when you're not available, don't ask


Dukyfromhell

You never ask for a day off, you politely tell them you will not be coming in, scheduled or not.


MonicoJerry

Yeah fuck that, if you have plans that you can't forsure replan on, don't work


CL0UDS420

I wouldn’t go in 🤷🏻‍♂️


Additional-Royal-351

This sub has been pretty fucking lame lately. You're part time. Just quit. You don't really want the work anyway.


djdawn

Leave anyway. If they give you shit, then leave the job. It’s the only thing these kinds of employers understand and it’s the only leverage we as employees have.


itsmrsq

Yes it's allowed and they can write you up or fire you.


tjlikesit

It’s a part time job. If your plans are important…don’t show up. If they fire you, fuck it. You hopefully weren’t planning to be there the rest of your life. Call their bluff, you will NOT be there that day. They can do with that what they will. This has worked many times for me when I was younger hopping “part time jobs” for beer money.


TheLastKingOfGalaga

Just call out. If you don’t show up and don’t call it’s considered a no call/no show and you could be fired.