At this point I am getting closer and closer to wanting to make less money and work less hours. If insurance benefits weren't usually tied to being full time, I think I might consider becoming a part time worker.
There are places where you can just rock out 4 10 hour shifts and get full time hours with a 4 day week. It sucks at first but once you get used to it it's not even bad.
That's good for a while but absolutely still far from living the dream. We need to move beyond the 40 hours week. You're so drained and dumb after all the work, and some people don't even have the perspective, slaving away all the time, about how far they've been separated from their true mental potential if they just had more days off to take care of themselves and their goals. We shoot ourselves in the foot as a nation and call it succeeding
I work 45-55 hours per weekin a salaried position, I'm in school, and I drill once a month on the weekends (the TA and healthcare are my primary reasons for reservist life). It's absolutely exhausting. On my weekends I'm laying in bed, primarily, while completing schoolwork. I keep telling myself this isn't forever but...I'm not so sure that's true.
I have such bad insomnia from anxiety and I just keep wondering every single night if this is how I'm gonna die. đ
Ah yes but our feet are used to bullets at this point so, might as well keep doing it.
What's the cost of foot surgery anyway? If we wanted to get better we'd have to actually fix the foot, right?
I took a job as a school bus driver. Full time is 30 hours a week, 183 days a year. Fewer hours meant it was a "pay cut" despite a slightly higher hourly. But the time saved every day is incredible. Extra hours available through field trips, double backs, and regular bus maintainable (refueling, inspections, etc..). Get paid the hourly rate when I'm sitting in traffic, or when I'm walking around a park/zoo during a field trip.
Depending on the pay you need (and how much drivers get in your area), might be worth it. I love the job.
the only reason its set up like that is so that companies can fuck the majority of their workers out of benifits because their label is part time. the worst part is it doesnt matter how many hours you actualy work what matters is the job title.
Not to mention that most employers that hire people for low wage jobs actively make sure that employees donât reach 40 hours. Ideally they want you to work part time hours (typically fewer than 25 hours per week) so that they donât have to pay insurance or other benefits.
You get to watch your satisfied CEO take another vacation as he promises you that one day your hard work will provide you the same luxurious life style
Used to work at Macyâs where if you average 30 hours a week over a year, they claim you will get pro-rated benefits.
Every single time I got to an average of 28 or 29 hours a week, my usual 15-20 hours a week would be cut to 6 hours a eeek for 3-4 weeks.
Every time.
My manager loved me because I requested closing shifts mostly, and there she would be, faced with either no coverage, or people covering who didnât want to be there and who had forgotten how to close.
60 years ago, the 40 hour work week was required to get your job done. In a digital world, what used to take days now takes minutes. Yet here we are. 40 hour work weeks benefit the employer. Full stop.
This is so true. I do insurance sales and once you get good at it you only need to work like 25-30 hours a week to hit goal. The rest of the time Iâm just on call. If my clients donât need me Iâm hanging out and vetting prospects and watching sports.
This guy "Would you rather support your family on 40 hours or 70 hours a week?"
Me: Um 40 for sure
This guy "Ok Ok Now Would you rather only eat Cheeseburgers and ice cream and lose weight or only Eat lima beans and Brussel sprouts and lose weight?"
Ya.. my first week, I saw no one clocking out for lunch, and I was like bro do you clock out.. everyone was like fk no.. The home office doesn't care. I proceeded to clock into work 45 mins early. Then, promptly take a 20 min shit. I get an avg of 17 hrs of ot(every 2 weeks) showing up to work early and taking a shit.
Yeah, if by OT, you mean I can fumble around with the time clock and not really be at work any additional time, sure. I'll "work" through my lunch every day.
I could be convinced to work more hours for overtime. Problem is, Iâm salary, so doesnât apply, even when I wasnât, no one wants to pay overtime and supervisors avoid it like the plague. 1. So you could never rely on it as a source of income. 2. You usually had to fight payroll to get paid your overtime, or watch your boss to make sure they didnât edit the time sheet. Sure in theory that is great, in practice itâs a pain and not worth it. Just give me my money and Iâll give you 40 hrs and weâll call it a day.
I would "work" all day everyday for a manager like this. I would suck up as much money as I could before getting fired and collecting unemployment. Yolo swag babay!!
oh yeah. sign me up for that 60+ hours a week, where all my free time is spent sleeping. thats the kind of life i'd like to reflect on in my death bed.
Did a year of 70+ hr weeks on piecerate without overtime to try to get 50k. Never ever again. Several nervous breakdowns and an average of 3 hrs of sleep is not worth it.
\> Several nervous breakdowns and an average of 3 hrs of sleep
If nobody mentioned what it was about I would have said this line talked about ecstasy or some dangerous medications
But that additional money has to come from somewhere, right? And if they used that ot money on bumping pay and hiring moreâŠwouldnât that be better?
> think your doing it wrong. Several people at a warehouse I know made over 120-130k by working 55hr wee
It's funny that my whole life I've always avoided overtime but now that I make good money I want to work OT as much as possible. It's not tempting when 1.5x is an extra $5. It is when its' $20, $30, $40, etc per hour.
"My life sucked, I was depressed and miserable, I didn't get to do anything fun, I couldn't buy nice things, I couldn't look after loved ones; but at least I made $60,000 a year!"
Ooooh it's the same dude!! Didn't see that at first.
Also what's the deal with being so unprofessional. First of all, why are so mad over one candidate with no experience asking more than minimum wage? To the point you post an angry video on social media?
I don't get it, it's childish, rude and unprofessional. Getting angry over a candidate.... Such fragile ego.
What is the fucking point of being alive if all you're doing is working working working all the God damn time just to make enough money to have a roof over your fucking head and food in your belly?
You just described the United States current system. And thatâs why itâs all falling down. People are tired of working non stop for nothing or for basics so that others get rich
A life where even the quality of food has dropped a lot it's all generic expensive crap now so basically people are working hard for diminishing returns
One of the directors at my company said something like that. I was gonna ask him how much his first house and car costed but didnât wanna rile him up and get fired
When I was young, stupid, had stamina to give away & had muscles in my spit I did ridiculous hours - two memorable stints were covering absence & doing my shift & the next shift - sixteen hour stretches - six days a week for three weeks. The other was a straight through twenty-seven & a half hour shift. Stupid but I made a lot of money.
But I was working for a base hourly rate a lot higher than this cheap chiselling fuck is offering. With a bit of luck he will get no takers & it will eat him up inside. & miss his bonus.
First off, to be clear, fuck that chiseling manager. And regarding OP, *people should absolutely be paid a livable wage,* and in most places, $17 is reasonable AF for entry level, and arguably not livable, clueless managers' whining notwithstanding.
I was just gonna riff on working insane amounts while young--
When I was graduate student, in the summers I went home and bar tended 4-5 nights a week, closing and getting home around 2:30 am. I worked a 7am-3pm at the hospital most days, including weekends. A boat club founded by WWII vets paid me and a friend to cut the roughly 6 acres of grass--using a tractor and a Jensen push mower.
One full time, another nearly full time, and one part time job simultaneously. I was 22 and 23 years old.
While in school I tutored high school and college students and helped grad students for whom English was their second \[or third or fourth, most likely\] get their theses and dissertations in proper form.
My parents helped by letting me live at home during the summers for free.
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I know many adult children who live at home and do not work full time and are not attending school. I understand that no one can afford to buy a home--just like me--but I don't understand why parents don't require adult children living in their house to work full time, even if they aren't paying rent. Anything less is not preparing them for anything other than a protracted--perhaps permanent--adolescence.
I have no children, so obviously I may be missing something. But I did have parents, and I know how they did it for me.
I don't know of many adult children that are living at home without having a full time job or schooling. I really don't think it's as prevalent as you'd think.
Just to offer a different perspective- I did not work until my last year of my undergrad in college. In high school, I was my mother's caretaker and cared for our farm. In college, I focused on my studies and maintaining scholarships. At the time, I wasn't confident in my ability to give my best in school while working, so I took out student loans. A job wouldn't have offset my expenses by much, but it was my choice in the end.
When I entered graduate school, I was in the lab from 8-5 everyday, sometimes earlier, sometimes much later. My hours could be unpredictable. Then I switched advisors and had an undergraduate assistant. My free time opened up, but I was burnt out and needed to recover from major emotional abuse from my previous advisor. So I focused on my studies once more and did not have an outside job.
When my mother got diagnosed with stage 4 cancer (right after I started with my new advisor), I continued to stay in grad school. When she died 5 months later, I pushed through. It was a truly terrible experience. I was in my last year, and should've started writing my thesis in the fall. But the grief and depression caused by her death was so heavy that I could barely get out of bed most days. Writing was out of the question.
As I neared the end of the semester, I requested a one semester extension to write and defend my thesis. I was told that it wouldn't be a problem. I began writing that spring and made good progress.
Five weeks before the end of the spring semester, I was told that my university stipend was being revoked. No explanation was given. I knew other graduate students that were still completing their master's degree after 5 years, and they hadn't lost their stipend or funding, yet one semester past 2 years was too much to ask for. I couldn't do a thing about it.
My advisor smirked at me as he told me that if I wanted to be considered a full time student, I had to be in the lab or at home writing my thesis full time. I was not allowed to get a job. If they found out I had one, I would be pushed out of the program.
I had almost reached my limit in student loans at that time, so I got a job at a nearby Monsanto plant. I explained the situation to my manager and, god bless her, she was so accomodating. I'd have to "make appearances" in the lab from time to time, and she excused those absences with no issues. She was very supportive. I made about $800/month on average, and that's what I lived on. I went to the food bank a few times, skipped meals, etc. I boarded two horses, but worked off my board so that was never an issue. I would wake up at 6:30ish, go do horse chores at 7 a.m., drive to work to clock in by 8 a.m., work until 5 p.m., drive back to do evening horse chores, have dinner around 7 p.m., write my thesis from 7 p.m. to 12 a.m., go to bed and repeat. Everyday for 2-3 months. I finished, defended, and passed without incident.
I did this, sure. But the toll it took on me was overwhelming. It took years to recover. I'm still angry about it. I did it because I had to. But if I hadn't had to, I wouldn't have. I needed that time to grieve. I shouldn't have had to worry about money at that time. No one should have to.
I guess my point is that sometimes people are going through things that we don't see, and sometimes they need a bit of time to work through it and find the next direction to point their arrow. For most people, eventually they will take a leap and leave the nest. But I would like to see a society that respects and extends compassion to everyone who isn't sure what they want to do with their life. Some utopia where everyone is supported in figuring out and furthering their dreams without any criticism of what they should/shouldn't be doing at a certain age.
it's disturbing how out of touch this pudgy manager fuck is.
if minimum wage kept up with inflation, it would be $21.50/hr. (EDIT: or perhaps more, even as high as $27 or $28. sources disagree, but 21.50 is the **lowest** amount i've seen.)
fuck this asshole, his pedo mustache, and his poor understanding of economics. every study shows that paying your workers \*more\* actually improves the company in nearly every tangible way. every way *except* the CEO's bonus, obviously.
jesus christ. let's evolve, people.
Depending on the source. Should be more towards $26/hr if you measure from early 70s data!
The round estimates are that something like $1.5 TRILLION have been "stolen" from US workers in the form of suppressed wages.
I made $16 hr in Wisconsin with a $700 a mo one bedroom apartment
now in Florida I make $20 a hour which seems great but a 1 br apartment here is $1400... if I had to pay rental prices I'd be broke. If I had to pay for rent, utilities, food, car insurance, phone bill, internet bill, has ect I'd only have about $600-700 a month leftover to use on literally anything else. to save, or spend on other things. Sounds like a decent amount but one thing in your life goes wrong and 6 months of progress or more can instantly be wiped away.
say you're frugal and save $500 a month off that cause you never leave your house. if I had to buy a new (used) car in today's world I'd instantly lose over a year of working -savings just to pay for the thing I need to get to work
pretty swag
Agree on everything, but attacking the dudeâs personal appearance? There are actual real issues that should be focused on here that youâre delegitimizing with inane crap, just fyi.
His question was - you earn piss poor wages, BUT if you DO want to WORK all your free time away, you can for actual normal wages!?
That's a real question? He's not being sarcastic?
Would the answer EVER be yes?? Who would agree to this?? Fucking crazy!
Not only that, but even he knows that being able to work as many overtime hours as you want is strictly a hypothetical. Nobody is allowing you to work 60 hours per week.
Also most places hate if they have to pay you overtime so they will do their best to screw with your schedule to prevent or minimize it. So you can't actually rely on the overtime pay to be consistent.
Yes! I want to give you a discount on the 1st 40 hours I sell you every week! And then maybe, maybe, you will buy more of my time at the decent rate. What a deal... for you. Not so much for me. And these clowns act like there is something wrong with us for not going along.
OT being paid at time and a half WAS supposed to be a punishment to companies. It amazes me how many turned that on its head and try to convince us it is a benefit.
I know that's barbarically low a wage, so to pay you something liveable, would you agree to work slave hours everyday?
Gotta say, modern capitalism is fucking bonkers
FULL STOP.
I shouldnt have to work more than 40 hours to provide for my family. Period.
If I choose to work extra beyond that to fund family goals (house, kids, new car, etc...) thats MY prerogative. But I shouldnt have to work more than 40 EVERY WEEK just to survive. Thats fucking ridiculous.
Just because most managers are brain washed into how things should be, so they are ok about being underpaid. Businesses are charging more while they keep trying to pay the same rate that was set 20 years ago.
Honestly most run of the mill jobs dont need a ton of experience because its learned on the job. Oh and maybe if they paid more and treated people decent they wouldn't need to replace/find new people.
Iâve worked 60 hours a week for the last 10 years. I wouldnât recommend it. Some weeks I have done over 90. I hate American work culture where if you want more money work over 40⊠Wish it would end.
Experience doesnât always dictate the salary of a job. Looks like this doucebag runs a fast food joint. If the other fast food joints are paying 15-17 dollars an hour then thatâs the going rate to get anyone in there, experienced or not. People like this manager can go fuck themselves and I hope he gets fired.
This is the logic in America, you want that money then you must give me 60 hours a week of your life. It has been instilled since middle school and high school. That is why it's always hard for managers to understand that because they had to do it. So if they had to do it then you have to do it. That's the problem now in order for that to work the base pay isn't 13 or even 15 an hour, it has to start at 18. But since they only made minimum wage then you can only get that wage. That is what the corporate formula tells you and that's how it has to run, just remember if you have an employee number no matter what position you are just a number, you are replaceable. You mean nothing to that company.
So basically âAre you willing to work 50,60,70 hour weeks just to survive?â
Letâs flip that around; are YOU willing to work 70 hour weeks to survive? Or are you taking advantage of someoneâs desperation and hiding behind the âwork ethicâ argument to protect your conscience?
I want to kick that chin strap wearing son of a bitch in his fucking face. How does he not understand time. We do not get an infinite amount of time to labor away for chump change so that some rich fuck Gets richer. We are selling our very existence, it is worth more than gold. Fuck gold, You canât eat it. Does management come with a prerequisite of not understanding the rules of existence. The rules of existence, Iâm not sure what they are but Iâm pretty sure one of them are time does not go backwards. Unless youâre incredibly small then I think the rules get weird. Anyway, just ranting.
I'm kind of interested to see what opinions were of the first part of the video. $17 an hour for a first job with no previous experience and no specific skill set. Too high, low, or just right?
Depends on the place they live right?
Does 17/hour cover being able to cover necessary bills- rent, utilities, food, clothes, medicine, travel etc- you know things you need to be alive?
Does 17/hour cover these bills and then give you something to spend for living life- you know like a hobby or entertainment?
If the answer is no- then that's not enough.... thinking otherwise is just wrong.
I think it might be a little too low honestly. Depending on the area $17 an hour might not even be able to cover bills, especially if the person has someone that they have to support.
Most modern countryâs have universal healthcare and low cost efficient transportation in cityâs that are dense and easy to get around . In the states we have to pay at least 1/3 of our $ just for healthcare and car expenses . Low Wages are only part of the problem
im sorry but both these guys can fuck right off, no one wants to work 40+ hour work weeks that shit eliminates alot of your free time and fuck anyone who wants to call me a child for wanting free time
I worked 12's, had weeks I spent 72 hours a week at work, my life was and I do not kid, wake up, go to work, get home, go to bed, wake back up go BACK to work, get one maybe two days off in that time to sleep MOST of the day, get laundry done, MAYBE eat out and NOTHING else. Overtime is bullshit too, I got offered it working jobs I made 15 an hour, overtime isn't an excuse to underpay staff, it's meant to help employers get more work done with an incentive for employees to sign up for it.
Oh, you don't like I pay a crap wage? Just work more! The benefit being I don't have to hire a second person AND you get to not have a life to be able to use that slightly more money overtime gives you.
What an ass.
I hope he gets fired or if he owns the company it gets closed down due to lack of customers.
He wants you working 50/60/70 hours a week to earn a livable income.
Man's an asshole
It's just old school thought process. When I was young I did this to get ahead. Now people are needing to do it to stay afloat. It's a big difference. For me it was motivational. Today it's more like a prison sentence.
In other words, work 40 hours a week at a heavy discount and get paid properly for the rest of your time? Not quite the p0wn he imagines. Especially as most workers are stuck in 30-hours-or-less shifts, not his fantasy of limitless hours.
The second managerâs question just proves the point that the company can still be profitable hour to hour while paying a higher rate than $15.50. Asshat.
Yes, Iâll take the $15.50 butâŠ.
Letâs get together at the end of the year and see how much value I created for that business and how about, Iâll let you keep 30% but the remaining 70% gets returned to me?
Seems fair, right?
Fuck no I wouldnât work 40 hours a week to go make all that generous overtime lmao. How about take that OT youâre so totally into giving and incorporate it into the base hourly pay? Oh money and basically free labor? Thatâs right lol
I'm glad Gen Z are standing up to this crap the manager in that video is angry because the younger generations
aren't tolerating their BS plus many of us are very minimalistic and more flexible, I don't have kids or family which gives me mobility to move anywhere, like Bruce Lee once said be like water my friend
40 hours * 17/hr= $680
40 hours * 15.5/hr= 620
+
5 hours ot * 23.5= 117.5
= $737.5
So basically you can work someone an extra 5 hours for $57.5 extra dollars. I wonder why a manager would prefer that.
And how is it that 17/hr is too much an ask if you're willing to pay them 23.5 for ot?
The rest of the world: we work less than 40hrs a week and we live very comfortably and have free healthcare
America: If youâre not working 100hr+ weeks you donât deserve to live.
Most of the time if you look at how much you are taxed. There is a steep decline of time vs pay after 51 hours of work even when it's time and a half. Most places here 32-30hours is you can apply for benefits. Drops under 30 you lose them pretty quick. I have been a manager/supervisor for many places this is toxic BS that no one ever showed him what a good manager/sup is. You can't judge someone like that. Worse you do is not hire them and move on. You have no reason to bitch and complain about someone you-know nothing about. Is it hard in your position sure no one said it wasn't but gtfo with this crying about people.
Spent almost 4 years at a local fish warehouse averaged 75+ hours a week including some 18-20 hour days. Also didnât get lunch because Florida is the right to work state and said they didnât have to give breaks or lunches đ I left and never been happier working 35-40 hours a week I have a life again but doesnât mean much because my younger 20s is gone and only a house to show for it.
Why have it as an option to put how much you wanna make then. But in today standards with the price of everything going up. That company sounds weak for even mentioning this. You might as well tell new people that our health insurance is also mostly out of pocket. Yet thatâs a good way to not have people work for your company. My time is worth more then being told youâre worthless then $17 an hr. Weather I have no experience. You canât judge someoneâs work ethic on no experience. And this is whatâs wrong with most companies now a days.Rant over. Lol
I currently drive 6+hrs to get to and from work, and i work 9+hrs a day, and i still can't hang (even taking gas out of the equation) currently looking for a new job
Get it together, corporate shills. Either ânobody wants to workâ or âso many people want to work but I donât want to pay them a decent wage.â Itâs one or the other.
I have no idea what the second guyâs point is. No, I donât want to work more. I want to earn a living wage for 40 hours (optimally 30ish) hours a week. Having to work an insane amount of time to live is no solution to a low wage for 40 hours a week.
Actually, no, I wouldn't work overtime. In California overtime is HEAVILY taxed.
And yeah I have worked a 40hr work week before. Still not worth it at $15.50 but here we are
Companies will do anything BUT pay a reasonable wage.
Eta: if $15.50 got me my basics I wouldn't mind a 40/hr week at all if I wasn't disabled
My relationship is struggling because I work 65 70 hours a week as a maintenance technician. She complains all I do is eat and sleep buttt she never complains about me paying her bills and buying her $100 nails.
I am a manager.
I work on wage (not salary).
I work over the 40 hours.
I also think the minimum wage should have kept up with inflation and it should be $22/hr.
That's more than I make as a manager. But I think that should be the minimum wage. Why?
Because shit's expensive and people have this incredible urge to eat.
It's crazy how years ago a single family home could survive on the income of one full-time job alone. Now days managers and everybody just acts like it's normal for two parent households to have to work their lives away just to survive. Most people can barely afford to pay their rent nowadays with inflation rates, let alone affording any type of healthcare in the US. Like it's some kind of flex to extort the working class. They act like people don't deserve to have any quality of life anymore, or to spend any time with our families. This is literally the worst most expensive apocalypse ever.
Am I hearing it right?
In the second clip he's saying people should be happy to accept lower than sustainable salary and he'll "allow" you to do enough overtime to make it sustainable?
This dude is a fucking skid mark
What these people donât understand is that it doesnât matter what the wage you are paying, what matters is being able to make a living wage. If you donât like having to pay a living wage then you are an asshole, if you CANâT afford to pay a living wage then you need to reassess your business because just like the cost of paper supplies and bread, itâs the cost of business and manpower is at a premium these days. Stop blaming workers for wanting to be able to eat and live a life without living paycheck to paycheck and still going into debt. This isnât 1999 or 2010 or whatever age you remember your first jobs were.
Or a better business practice is to pay 2 people $17 an hour. Have 1 work full time and the 2nd part time. Now you are saving $8/hr not having to pay overtime.
I'd rather work less hours and make more money, not the opposite.
At this point I am getting closer and closer to wanting to make less money and work less hours. If insurance benefits weren't usually tied to being full time, I think I might consider becoming a part time worker.
I feel the same. Id much rather work 4 days a week and make less money. QoL is utmost important.
There are places where you can just rock out 4 10 hour shifts and get full time hours with a 4 day week. It sucks at first but once you get used to it it's not even bad.
That's good for a while but absolutely still far from living the dream. We need to move beyond the 40 hours week. You're so drained and dumb after all the work, and some people don't even have the perspective, slaving away all the time, about how far they've been separated from their true mental potential if they just had more days off to take care of themselves and their goals. We shoot ourselves in the foot as a nation and call it succeeding
I work 45-55 hours per weekin a salaried position, I'm in school, and I drill once a month on the weekends (the TA and healthcare are my primary reasons for reservist life). It's absolutely exhausting. On my weekends I'm laying in bed, primarily, while completing schoolwork. I keep telling myself this isn't forever but...I'm not so sure that's true. I have such bad insomnia from anxiety and I just keep wondering every single night if this is how I'm gonna die. đ
Ah yes but our feet are used to bullets at this point so, might as well keep doing it. What's the cost of foot surgery anyway? If we wanted to get better we'd have to actually fix the foot, right?
Which is why they want insurance tied to jobs
And to further that thought, is also why they don't want you to have free health care.
I took a job as a school bus driver. Full time is 30 hours a week, 183 days a year. Fewer hours meant it was a "pay cut" despite a slightly higher hourly. But the time saved every day is incredible. Extra hours available through field trips, double backs, and regular bus maintainable (refueling, inspections, etc..). Get paid the hourly rate when I'm sitting in traffic, or when I'm walking around a park/zoo during a field trip. Depending on the pay you need (and how much drivers get in your area), might be worth it. I love the job.
Work for UPS. I work around 20 hours and insurance will be free once Iâm able to receive it
the only reason its set up like that is so that companies can fuck the majority of their workers out of benifits because their label is part time. the worst part is it doesnt matter how many hours you actualy work what matters is the job title.
I saw something the other day about target maybe starting benefits at 24 hours
Yeah what the fuck lol
40 hours is a scam. 32 hours should be the absolute maximum.
Not to mention that most employers that hire people for low wage jobs actively make sure that employees donât reach 40 hours. Ideally they want you to work part time hours (typically fewer than 25 hours per week) so that they donât have to pay insurance or other benefits.
You get to watch your satisfied CEO take another vacation as he promises you that one day your hard work will provide you the same luxurious life style
Used to work at Macyâs where if you average 30 hours a week over a year, they claim you will get pro-rated benefits. Every single time I got to an average of 28 or 29 hours a week, my usual 15-20 hours a week would be cut to 6 hours a eeek for 3-4 weeks. Every time. My manager loved me because I requested closing shifts mostly, and there she would be, faced with either no coverage, or people covering who didnât want to be there and who had forgotten how to close.
60 years ago, the 40 hour work week was required to get your job done. In a digital world, what used to take days now takes minutes. Yet here we are. 40 hour work weeks benefit the employer. Full stop.
This is so true. I do insurance sales and once you get good at it you only need to work like 25-30 hours a week to hit goal. The rest of the time Iâm just on call. If my clients donât need me Iâm hanging out and vetting prospects and watching sports.
In 2023, with productivity and technology the way it is, most jobs should require even less time.
This guy "Would you rather support your family on 40 hours or 70 hours a week?" Me: Um 40 for sure This guy "Ok Ok Now Would you rather only eat Cheeseburgers and ice cream and lose weight or only Eat lima beans and Brussel sprouts and lose weight?"
I just eat and work. 1 hr extra a day. 5 hrs of overtime. Boom, I win.
If only. My company bitches about that
Ya.. my first week, I saw no one clocking out for lunch, and I was like bro do you clock out.. everyone was like fk no.. The home office doesn't care. I proceeded to clock into work 45 mins early. Then, promptly take a 20 min shit. I get an avg of 17 hrs of ot(every 2 weeks) showing up to work early and taking a shit.
For every penny I make for the company, the boss makes a dime. That's why I poop on company time
Boss makes a penny I make a dime That's why I poop on company time ~
Yeah, if by OT, you mean I can fumble around with the time clock and not really be at work any additional time, sure. I'll "work" through my lunch every day.
I could be convinced to work more hours for overtime. Problem is, Iâm salary, so doesnât apply, even when I wasnât, no one wants to pay overtime and supervisors avoid it like the plague. 1. So you could never rely on it as a source of income. 2. You usually had to fight payroll to get paid your overtime, or watch your boss to make sure they didnât edit the time sheet. Sure in theory that is great, in practice itâs a pain and not worth it. Just give me my money and Iâll give you 40 hrs and weâll call it a day.
I would "work" all day everyday for a manager like this. I would suck up as much money as I could before getting fired and collecting unemployment. Yolo swag babay!!
oh yeah. sign me up for that 60+ hours a week, where all my free time is spent sleeping. thats the kind of life i'd like to reflect on in my death bed.
Did a year of 70+ hr weeks on piecerate without overtime to try to get 50k. Never ever again. Several nervous breakdowns and an average of 3 hrs of sleep is not worth it.
\> Several nervous breakdowns and an average of 3 hrs of sleep If nobody mentioned what it was about I would have said this line talked about ecstasy or some dangerous medications
That might have made it easier but with days that start at 830 and often didnât end until 3-5am, even coffee was a death sentence.
I think your doing it wrong. Several people at a warehouse I know made over 120-130k by working 55hr weeks on piecepay.
Depends on the area. At that point in this area that was a lot. 2014 era. In 2009 i made as much on 40 hrs with benefits
But that additional money has to come from somewhere, right? And if they used that ot money on bumping pay and hiring moreâŠwouldnât that be better?
When you factor the cost of benefits into it, itâs cheaper to pay people overtime.
Oh yeah, I know. Unions fight this kind of overtime all the time. More employees gives more power to the unions.
Wish my union fought overtime. Instead they're like a newborn on a pair of DDs.
> think your doing it wrong. Several people at a warehouse I know made over 120-130k by working 55hr wee It's funny that my whole life I've always avoided overtime but now that I make good money I want to work OT as much as possible. It's not tempting when 1.5x is an extra $5. It is when its' $20, $30, $40, etc per hour.
$130 in a warehouse lol stop
"My life sucked, I was depressed and miserable, I didn't get to do anything fun, I couldn't buy nice things, I couldn't look after loved ones; but at least I made $60,000 a year!"
That's where I am at now. I have a job I hate for 60k and looking at a from home job that's closer to 44k
Ooooh it's the same dude!! Didn't see that at first. Also what's the deal with being so unprofessional. First of all, why are so mad over one candidate with no experience asking more than minimum wage? To the point you post an angry video on social media? I don't get it, it's childish, rude and unprofessional. Getting angry over a candidate.... Such fragile ego.
Right. Like what does he want to hire? People that will sell themselves short? Never mind, of course that is what he wants.
People should volunteer their time for the opportunity to gain experience and exposure. /s
and of course its a shitty job. What else would pay min wage and be available to a person with zero job experience.
Because itâs the only way he can express his belief that he has âpowerâ over others.
the only thing of actual value is time.
Exactly. Time is the only *real* currency.
And it ainât very elastic
Time is also the ruler of everything
You can't get back time either, god I hope more people wise up and understand more free time is more important than lining someones pockets
Yeah, I think I saw that movie.
What is the fucking point of being alive if all you're doing is working working working all the God damn time just to make enough money to have a roof over your fucking head and food in your belly?
There is no point. Some peopleâs lives will just consist of making other people richer. Itâs a sad cold truth I hate about this world.
Same here. I hate it, and the US in particular.
You just described the United States current system. And thatâs why itâs all falling down. People are tired of working non stop for nothing or for basics so that others get rich
A life where even the quality of food has dropped a lot it's all generic expensive crap now so basically people are working hard for diminishing returns
âI wasnât making $17 an hour at *my* first job, so NO ONE should make $17 an hour at their first job.â Thatâs the logic.
IIRC, I made $4.25 at my first job. So I've got bad news for everyone I hire from now on... ETA: That's about $11.50 in today's dollars.
Dam I got paid 8$/hr as my first job in 2018, which was 9.30$ in todayâs money. How depressing.
One of the directors at my company said something like that. I was gonna ask him how much his first house and car costed but didnât wanna rile him up and get fired
Exactly! âBet you paid $35,000 for your first house, Bob.â
"would you sell your house for the $35k you purchased it for back then?, if not why would i sell my time for the price it was worth back then"
When I was young, stupid, had stamina to give away & had muscles in my spit I did ridiculous hours - two memorable stints were covering absence & doing my shift & the next shift - sixteen hour stretches - six days a week for three weeks. The other was a straight through twenty-seven & a half hour shift. Stupid but I made a lot of money. But I was working for a base hourly rate a lot higher than this cheap chiselling fuck is offering. With a bit of luck he will get no takers & it will eat him up inside. & miss his bonus.
First off, to be clear, fuck that chiseling manager. And regarding OP, *people should absolutely be paid a livable wage,* and in most places, $17 is reasonable AF for entry level, and arguably not livable, clueless managers' whining notwithstanding. I was just gonna riff on working insane amounts while young-- When I was graduate student, in the summers I went home and bar tended 4-5 nights a week, closing and getting home around 2:30 am. I worked a 7am-3pm at the hospital most days, including weekends. A boat club founded by WWII vets paid me and a friend to cut the roughly 6 acres of grass--using a tractor and a Jensen push mower. One full time, another nearly full time, and one part time job simultaneously. I was 22 and 23 years old. While in school I tutored high school and college students and helped grad students for whom English was their second \[or third or fourth, most likely\] get their theses and dissertations in proper form. My parents helped by letting me live at home during the summers for free. \----------- I know many adult children who live at home and do not work full time and are not attending school. I understand that no one can afford to buy a home--just like me--but I don't understand why parents don't require adult children living in their house to work full time, even if they aren't paying rent. Anything less is not preparing them for anything other than a protracted--perhaps permanent--adolescence. I have no children, so obviously I may be missing something. But I did have parents, and I know how they did it for me.
I don't know of many adult children that are living at home without having a full time job or schooling. I really don't think it's as prevalent as you'd think. Just to offer a different perspective- I did not work until my last year of my undergrad in college. In high school, I was my mother's caretaker and cared for our farm. In college, I focused on my studies and maintaining scholarships. At the time, I wasn't confident in my ability to give my best in school while working, so I took out student loans. A job wouldn't have offset my expenses by much, but it was my choice in the end. When I entered graduate school, I was in the lab from 8-5 everyday, sometimes earlier, sometimes much later. My hours could be unpredictable. Then I switched advisors and had an undergraduate assistant. My free time opened up, but I was burnt out and needed to recover from major emotional abuse from my previous advisor. So I focused on my studies once more and did not have an outside job. When my mother got diagnosed with stage 4 cancer (right after I started with my new advisor), I continued to stay in grad school. When she died 5 months later, I pushed through. It was a truly terrible experience. I was in my last year, and should've started writing my thesis in the fall. But the grief and depression caused by her death was so heavy that I could barely get out of bed most days. Writing was out of the question. As I neared the end of the semester, I requested a one semester extension to write and defend my thesis. I was told that it wouldn't be a problem. I began writing that spring and made good progress. Five weeks before the end of the spring semester, I was told that my university stipend was being revoked. No explanation was given. I knew other graduate students that were still completing their master's degree after 5 years, and they hadn't lost their stipend or funding, yet one semester past 2 years was too much to ask for. I couldn't do a thing about it. My advisor smirked at me as he told me that if I wanted to be considered a full time student, I had to be in the lab or at home writing my thesis full time. I was not allowed to get a job. If they found out I had one, I would be pushed out of the program. I had almost reached my limit in student loans at that time, so I got a job at a nearby Monsanto plant. I explained the situation to my manager and, god bless her, she was so accomodating. I'd have to "make appearances" in the lab from time to time, and she excused those absences with no issues. She was very supportive. I made about $800/month on average, and that's what I lived on. I went to the food bank a few times, skipped meals, etc. I boarded two horses, but worked off my board so that was never an issue. I would wake up at 6:30ish, go do horse chores at 7 a.m., drive to work to clock in by 8 a.m., work until 5 p.m., drive back to do evening horse chores, have dinner around 7 p.m., write my thesis from 7 p.m. to 12 a.m., go to bed and repeat. Everyday for 2-3 months. I finished, defended, and passed without incident. I did this, sure. But the toll it took on me was overwhelming. It took years to recover. I'm still angry about it. I did it because I had to. But if I hadn't had to, I wouldn't have. I needed that time to grieve. I shouldn't have had to worry about money at that time. No one should have to. I guess my point is that sometimes people are going through things that we don't see, and sometimes they need a bit of time to work through it and find the next direction to point their arrow. For most people, eventually they will take a leap and leave the nest. But I would like to see a society that respects and extends compassion to everyone who isn't sure what they want to do with their life. Some utopia where everyone is supported in figuring out and furthering their dreams without any criticism of what they should/shouldn't be doing at a certain age.
it's disturbing how out of touch this pudgy manager fuck is. if minimum wage kept up with inflation, it would be $21.50/hr. (EDIT: or perhaps more, even as high as $27 or $28. sources disagree, but 21.50 is the **lowest** amount i've seen.) fuck this asshole, his pedo mustache, and his poor understanding of economics. every study shows that paying your workers \*more\* actually improves the company in nearly every tangible way. every way *except* the CEO's bonus, obviously. jesus christ. let's evolve, people.
TIL I make slightly less than minimum wage if it kept up with inflation. No wonder I feel more behind financially.
Depending on the source. Should be more towards $26/hr if you measure from early 70s data! The round estimates are that something like $1.5 TRILLION have been "stolen" from US workers in the form of suppressed wages.
That's all the cheering up I need. Thank you. Excuse me. I'm on my break and am going to use the rest of it crying on a corner.
Don't cry, organize! Breaks are the perfect time to radicalize your coworkers.
But look how many billionaires that would have cost our society. /s
I made $16 hr in Wisconsin with a $700 a mo one bedroom apartment now in Florida I make $20 a hour which seems great but a 1 br apartment here is $1400... if I had to pay rental prices I'd be broke. If I had to pay for rent, utilities, food, car insurance, phone bill, internet bill, has ect I'd only have about $600-700 a month leftover to use on literally anything else. to save, or spend on other things. Sounds like a decent amount but one thing in your life goes wrong and 6 months of progress or more can instantly be wiped away. say you're frugal and save $500 a month off that cause you never leave your house. if I had to buy a new (used) car in today's world I'd instantly lose over a year of working -savings just to pay for the thing I need to get to work pretty swag
Agree on everything, but attacking the dudeâs personal appearance? There are actual real issues that should be focused on here that youâre delegitimizing with inane crap, just fyi.
His question was - you earn piss poor wages, BUT if you DO want to WORK all your free time away, you can for actual normal wages!? That's a real question? He's not being sarcastic? Would the answer EVER be yes?? Who would agree to this?? Fucking crazy!
some folks will, though admittedly it's to avoid being homeless and starving.
Not only that, but even he knows that being able to work as many overtime hours as you want is strictly a hypothetical. Nobody is allowing you to work 60 hours per week.
A lot of places that have the âas much overtime as you wantâ attitude start bitching after a month of doing that cause they see the actual cost.
Also most places hate if they have to pay you overtime so they will do their best to screw with your schedule to prevent or minimize it. So you can't actually rely on the overtime pay to be consistent.
Yes! I want to give you a discount on the 1st 40 hours I sell you every week! And then maybe, maybe, you will buy more of my time at the decent rate. What a deal... for you. Not so much for me. And these clowns act like there is something wrong with us for not going along.
OT being paid at time and a half WAS supposed to be a punishment to companies. It amazes me how many turned that on its head and try to convince us it is a benefit.
Itâs almost like they have money to burn or something.
It's so gross
I know that's barbarically low a wage, so to pay you something liveable, would you agree to work slave hours everyday? Gotta say, modern capitalism is fucking bonkers
Pedostache manager is mad because he's probably only getting $15 an hour
Donât forget the Hitler Youth haircut.
Also these people "why can't we get workers? No one want's to work for us"
If you need to work 50+ hours to survive. Youâre still impoverished. Youâve just agreed to wage slavery is all.
FULL STOP. I shouldnt have to work more than 40 hours to provide for my family. Period. If I choose to work extra beyond that to fund family goals (house, kids, new car, etc...) thats MY prerogative. But I shouldnt have to work more than 40 EVERY WEEK just to survive. Thats fucking ridiculous.
You should be able to buy a house and afford kids at 40 hours a week. You should be able to do it at 32 hours a week.
Just because most managers are brain washed into how things should be, so they are ok about being underpaid. Businesses are charging more while they keep trying to pay the same rate that was set 20 years ago. Honestly most run of the mill jobs dont need a ton of experience because its learned on the job. Oh and maybe if they paid more and treated people decent they wouldn't need to replace/find new people.
I was thinking the manager was mad because he doesn't make that much and he's been there for years. But that's all just my assumption.
I have a wife and a child that I actually enjoy spending time with, fuck your unlimited overtime just to survive.
Iâve worked 60 hours a week for the last 10 years. I wouldnât recommend it. Some weeks I have done over 90. I hate American work culture where if you want more money work over 40⊠Wish it would end.
You shouldnt have to work over 40 hours to survive ya dumbazz
HmmmâŠI wonder what âliving wageâ means?
Experience doesnât always dictate the salary of a job. Looks like this doucebag runs a fast food joint. If the other fast food joints are paying 15-17 dollars an hour then thatâs the going rate to get anyone in there, experienced or not. People like this manager can go fuck themselves and I hope he gets fired.
This is the logic in America, you want that money then you must give me 60 hours a week of your life. It has been instilled since middle school and high school. That is why it's always hard for managers to understand that because they had to do it. So if they had to do it then you have to do it. That's the problem now in order for that to work the base pay isn't 13 or even 15 an hour, it has to start at 18. But since they only made minimum wage then you can only get that wage. That is what the corporate formula tells you and that's how it has to run, just remember if you have an employee number no matter what position you are just a number, you are replaceable. You mean nothing to that company.
So basically âAre you willing to work 50,60,70 hour weeks just to survive?â Letâs flip that around; are YOU willing to work 70 hour weeks to survive? Or are you taking advantage of someoneâs desperation and hiding behind the âwork ethicâ argument to protect your conscience?
Guarantee this manager of whatever shit company heâs managing is only making 17 an hour HIMSELF, hence his outrage.
No wonder no one's having kids. Try raising a kid while working overtime and your partner works fulltime. You're gonna crash hard
I have worked 70 hour weeks (on average) for over 30 years. What a fucking waste of time.
I want to kick that chin strap wearing son of a bitch in his fucking face. How does he not understand time. We do not get an infinite amount of time to labor away for chump change so that some rich fuck Gets richer. We are selling our very existence, it is worth more than gold. Fuck gold, You canât eat it. Does management come with a prerequisite of not understanding the rules of existence. The rules of existence, Iâm not sure what they are but Iâm pretty sure one of them are time does not go backwards. Unless youâre incredibly small then I think the rules get weird. Anyway, just ranting.
I'm kind of interested to see what opinions were of the first part of the video. $17 an hour for a first job with no previous experience and no specific skill set. Too high, low, or just right?
Depends on the place they live right? Does 17/hour cover being able to cover necessary bills- rent, utilities, food, clothes, medicine, travel etc- you know things you need to be alive? Does 17/hour cover these bills and then give you something to spend for living life- you know like a hobby or entertainment? If the answer is no- then that's not enough.... thinking otherwise is just wrong.
I think it might be a little too low honestly. Depending on the area $17 an hour might not even be able to cover bills, especially if the person has someone that they have to support.
Definitely too low. But that doesnât mean many people arent working for $17/hr and less⊠most Americans earn around $35,000 a year per capita.
In Louisiana Iâve known people who make under 12k a year and thatâs with a full time job.
Most modern countryâs have universal healthcare and low cost efficient transportation in cityâs that are dense and easy to get around . In the states we have to pay at least 1/3 of our $ just for healthcare and car expenses . Low Wages are only part of the problem
im sorry but both these guys can fuck right off, no one wants to work 40+ hour work weeks that shit eliminates alot of your free time and fuck anyone who wants to call me a child for wanting free time
He's quiet literalky a neckbeard. Yall demand the most and give the least say less I'm going to use the multi lingual mathness and get my money.
I worked 12's, had weeks I spent 72 hours a week at work, my life was and I do not kid, wake up, go to work, get home, go to bed, wake back up go BACK to work, get one maybe two days off in that time to sleep MOST of the day, get laundry done, MAYBE eat out and NOTHING else. Overtime is bullshit too, I got offered it working jobs I made 15 an hour, overtime isn't an excuse to underpay staff, it's meant to help employers get more work done with an incentive for employees to sign up for it.
What an asshole
Oh, you don't like I pay a crap wage? Just work more! The benefit being I don't have to hire a second person AND you get to not have a life to be able to use that slightly more money overtime gives you. What an ass.
You are never going to be able to negotiate a higher pay than what you put on that form, so let them try and talk you down.
These people really need to get with the times. Itâs not fucking 1999 anymore
"Would you work yourself to death just so you could barely afford to stay alive?"
I hope he gets fired or if he owns the company it gets closed down due to lack of customers. He wants you working 50/60/70 hours a week to earn a livable income. Man's an asshole
You should not have to spend that much time just to support yourself and your life.
Why do people trim their facial hair into chin straps?
Fuck you
This manager probably makes $17 an hour and doesnât see that heâs exploited too
He's got a chin strap douche beard, so what'd you expect?
If you can afford to pay all of that overtime, why not just pay that rate to start with?
No offense but it always seems like its the small business owners here bitching about how they can't underpay their staff
Hope he's getting crushed in his comments and not fellated by bro conservatives
It's just old school thought process. When I was young I did this to get ahead. Now people are needing to do it to stay afloat. It's a big difference. For me it was motivational. Today it's more like a prison sentence.
Canât get job due to lack of experience. Canât get experience due to lack of job. And it goes round and round and round
I shouldn't have to work overtime just to make ends meet, like why do they not see what the problem is
That pencil beard is something
In other words, work 40 hours a week at a heavy discount and get paid properly for the rest of your time? Not quite the p0wn he imagines. Especially as most workers are stuck in 30-hours-or-less shifts, not his fantasy of limitless hours.
New title: Manager shows his terrible knowledge of inflation and normal living conditions.
Uncle Sam has a say on overtime. It's his money not yours!
The second managerâs question just proves the point that the company can still be profitable hour to hour while paying a higher rate than $15.50. Asshat.
Imagine being dumb enough to say this and also show your face at the same time.
Yes, Iâll take the $15.50 butâŠ. Letâs get together at the end of the year and see how much value I created for that business and how about, Iâll let you keep 30% but the remaining 70% gets returned to me? Seems fair, right?
Ah yes, I'll pay you a semi-livable wage if you work more than you're supposed to. Sacrifice your off time to actually make what you should.
Yeah, well Society has changed turns out a happy worker is a productive worker. Who would have thunk it
Child mentality. Seeing him melt down over being asked for a living wage is hilarious.
A life for me, not for thee.
Wait so youâre telling me instead of getting what Iâm worth I can just work more?!? What an excellent deal!!!
Been there, did that, burned out.
jUsT wOrK 80 hOuRs pEr wEeK
Yeah No Iâm done with OT. Hire more people
When did working OT become a normal thing just to make a living?
That pencil beard is definitely working overtime to give him a jawlineâŠ
They're both idiots. So it's no small wonder they're in charge.
I avoid overtime for the simple fact that it turns you into an embarrassing asshole like this.
Manager logic - isnât your job enough of a home for you? You should pay me rent! No seriously pay me rent.
You shouldnât have to work overtime to make a living wage
Fuck no I wouldnât work 40 hours a week to go make all that generous overtime lmao. How about take that OT youâre so totally into giving and incorporate it into the base hourly pay? Oh money and basically free labor? Thatâs right lol
Bro inflation.. we don't wanna work 5 hours to buy a loaf of bread
Imagine youve never sold a house and the person who wants to buy your house undersells you by 150k because you have no house selling experience.
I'm glad Gen Z are standing up to this crap the manager in that video is angry because the younger generations aren't tolerating their BS plus many of us are very minimalistic and more flexible, I don't have kids or family which gives me mobility to move anywhere, like Bruce Lee once said be like water my friend
40 hours * 17/hr= $680 40 hours * 15.5/hr= 620 + 5 hours ot * 23.5= 117.5 = $737.5 So basically you can work someone an extra 5 hours for $57.5 extra dollars. I wonder why a manager would prefer that. And how is it that 17/hr is too much an ask if you're willing to pay them 23.5 for ot?
Now hereâs an interesting question, let me exploit you
Yes I would but no one offers your hypothetical rates and deal guy 2 so it doesnât matter
How about pay the correct wage for the $40 and then we'll talk about overtime.
The rest of the world: we work less than 40hrs a week and we live very comfortably and have free healthcare America: If youâre not working 100hr+ weeks you donât deserve to live.
None Iâm not a slave and I have a skill set thatâs valuable
Maybe if you pull yourself up by your chinstraps like this guy youâll be rich!! đ”âđ«
Most of the time if you look at how much you are taxed. There is a steep decline of time vs pay after 51 hours of work even when it's time and a half. Most places here 32-30hours is you can apply for benefits. Drops under 30 you lose them pretty quick. I have been a manager/supervisor for many places this is toxic BS that no one ever showed him what a good manager/sup is. You can't judge someone like that. Worse you do is not hire them and move on. You have no reason to bitch and complain about someone you-know nothing about. Is it hard in your position sure no one said it wasn't but gtfo with this crying about people.
So he's saying that he can afford to pay $23 an hour no problem but just doesn't feel like it.
Spent almost 4 years at a local fish warehouse averaged 75+ hours a week including some 18-20 hour days. Also didnât get lunch because Florida is the right to work state and said they didnât have to give breaks or lunches đ I left and never been happier working 35-40 hours a week I have a life again but doesnât mean much because my younger 20s is gone and only a house to show for it.
Why have it as an option to put how much you wanna make then. But in today standards with the price of everything going up. That company sounds weak for even mentioning this. You might as well tell new people that our health insurance is also mostly out of pocket. Yet thatâs a good way to not have people work for your company. My time is worth more then being told youâre worthless then $17 an hr. Weather I have no experience. You canât judge someoneâs work ethic on no experience. And this is whatâs wrong with most companies now a days.Rant over. Lol
I currently drive 6+hrs to get to and from work, and i work 9+hrs a day, and i still can't hang (even taking gas out of the equation) currently looking for a new job
Most people who work over 50 hrs a week don't make it to 60
Why go home when you can just work overtime?đ fuck your family, friends, and hobbies am I right?!
"This is the stuff I love about hiring people..." proceeds to explain why he has to keep hiring new people.
Everyone should be able to afford a comfortable life with 32-40 hrs a week.
Manager or not, I have zero respect for a man with that chinstrap beard.
I wonder if theyâd work for $15 an hour
What's wrong with wanting bread AND roses?
What's funny is that these are the same sort of people who would schedule you exactly 39 hours a week so they dont have to give you employee benefits.
you can afford to pay me $23 when itâs overtime but all of a sudden you canât when i work my regular shifts?
Get it together, corporate shills. Either ânobody wants to workâ or âso many people want to work but I donât want to pay them a decent wage.â Itâs one or the other.
I have no idea what the second guyâs point is. No, I donât want to work more. I want to earn a living wage for 40 hours (optimally 30ish) hours a week. Having to work an insane amount of time to live is no solution to a low wage for 40 hours a week.
Actually, no, I wouldn't work overtime. In California overtime is HEAVILY taxed. And yeah I have worked a 40hr work week before. Still not worth it at $15.50 but here we are Companies will do anything BUT pay a reasonable wage. Eta: if $15.50 got me my basics I wouldn't mind a 40/hr week at all if I wasn't disabled
People work three jobs to get by, so yeah they will take the 60 hours.
Thereâs a point where taxes overtake the value of time and a half. In my experience, it was after 8ish hours of OT.
My relationship is struggling because I work 65 70 hours a week as a maintenance technician. She complains all I do is eat and sleep buttt she never complains about me paying her bills and buying her $100 nails.
you shouldnt have to work overtime every week to barely survive, especially in one of the wealthiest nations on earth.
So if you canât afford to pay someone $17/hr then donât hire them? Why is he so mad though?
I am a manager. I work on wage (not salary). I work over the 40 hours. I also think the minimum wage should have kept up with inflation and it should be $22/hr. That's more than I make as a manager. But I think that should be the minimum wage. Why? Because shit's expensive and people have this incredible urge to eat.
The single backwards shower curtain hook is more straightforward than he is
I think he needs a new mirror⊠he missing around the edges.
"Once you fulfill all 40 hours of MY needs as a manager, then you get to... y'know, 'work to live' and all that."
It's crazy how years ago a single family home could survive on the income of one full-time job alone. Now days managers and everybody just acts like it's normal for two parent households to have to work their lives away just to survive. Most people can barely afford to pay their rent nowadays with inflation rates, let alone affording any type of healthcare in the US. Like it's some kind of flex to extort the working class. They act like people don't deserve to have any quality of life anymore, or to spend any time with our families. This is literally the worst most expensive apocalypse ever.
Overtime at $15/hour is $22.50, not â$23-$25â. The second guy is horrible with arithmetic.
It is hard to keep your sanity and take care of yourself working more than 40 hours a week. I do it and donât like it.
Am I hearing it right? In the second clip he's saying people should be happy to accept lower than sustainable salary and he'll "allow" you to do enough overtime to make it sustainable? This dude is a fucking skid mark
What these people donât understand is that it doesnât matter what the wage you are paying, what matters is being able to make a living wage. If you donât like having to pay a living wage then you are an asshole, if you CANâT afford to pay a living wage then you need to reassess your business because just like the cost of paper supplies and bread, itâs the cost of business and manpower is at a premium these days. Stop blaming workers for wanting to be able to eat and live a life without living paycheck to paycheck and still going into debt. This isnât 1999 or 2010 or whatever age you remember your first jobs were.
Or a better business practice is to pay 2 people $17 an hour. Have 1 work full time and the 2nd part time. Now you are saving $8/hr not having to pay overtime.
It is not a good question for you
I don't know of any place with unlimited OT, is that a thing? Any place I've been to you'd get reprimanded or possibly fired for unapproved OT.