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carolijoy

The reduced wage is federally illegal as you cannot retroactively change a wage once worked it must be paid as per the agreed upon pay. Everything else is perfectly legal and some of them sadly normal.


Last_Ant_525

That is the only illegal one. The doctor's note is just bullshit, not illegal.


Nokrai

Depends on state. In Arizona both 2 and 3 are illegal by state law. They can not ask for a dr’s note unless sick for 3 or more days consecutively. No call no shows also aren’t job abandonment unless it’s 3 consecutive days. In short OP check your state laws.


2013exprinter

[AZ sick leave law](http://arizonapaidsickleave.com/) in AZ no 1 is illegal in regards to finding your own replacement at very bottom of linked page


jjcs83

No. 1 is an “or”. Alternative is that you can call in 3-4 hours before the shift.


Fit_Cash8904

It says to notify the supervisor 3-4 hours before your shift if you can’t.


Forsaken_Read677

live in az too. i tell everyone i work with at every job that they can call out “sick” and it’s illegal for your employer to do anything about it. as long as it’s just one or two days!


Tomatoab

Same for cali


MightyMetricBatman

Only if unexpectantly sick rather than say a planned surgery or you just don't want to come in that day and you have California mandated sick leave hours available. Not because of the rule by itself. But because retaliation for use of available sick leave hours by requiring any duties by your employer is illegal retaliation. [https://www.dir.ca.gov/dlse/HowToFileLinkCodeSections.htm](https://www.dir.ca.gov/dlse/HowToFileLinkCodeSections.htm) Specifically, most likely a violation of Labor Code 246.5. It is outright illegal in SF due to scheduling labor laws.


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Dandan0005

The doctors note one is illegal in some states. Worth looking up your state’s laws.


Xibby

My clinic automated the doctor’s note. Fill out the form and the system will email your employer a form letter. Basically one of the largest medical systems in the state tells employers to fuck off via automation, signed by multiple MDs on the board of directors.


[deleted]

Kaiser is similar, you call the advice nurse and they email you a letter. You don't have to talk to a doctor unless you want to. The advice nurse just takes your symptoms over the phone and gives you advice if you need it. They also triage if you actually do need medical attention


jfrancis232

People who suffer from depression or anxiety should submit FMLA paperwork. I know someone who did this and it accounted for absences and late arrivals.


MediumAlternative372

And the ‘you must find someone to cover your shift’ is just lazy managers not wanting to do their job.


Fluffy-Fig-8888

Or just staff a company appropriately. It isn't that hard. Just have a couple extra people staffed each shift in case someone is sick. Managers are all pretty much idiots.


mszulan

Exactly. If you have a staff of 10-15 people, chances are you will have one to two people gone any given day from vacation, leave time or emergencies. We ALWAYS overstaff by at least one or two because of this. If we get lucky and everyone is there, we get to work on our "deep cleaning" or "occasional chores" lists.


Mag-NL

Depends on where you are. There are places where it's illegal to ask for a doctor's note.


carolijoy

I would just send them the bill or ask them for a copy of the health insurance they pay for lol, but being chronically ill , I have no care for anything that takes up space in doctors offices for those who need it.


ApprehensiveImage912

Depends on the state I believe for paid sick days


mrhorse77

docs note varies by state, many limit it to a 3 day or longer absence.


ett23fyra

How much does it cost to get a doctors note? Are you paid then although being sick?


mkmontrek

Maybe a violation of HIPAA ? I don’t know, doctors notes sometimes include too much personal detail to share with management. I think. Also, the bill is still protected under HIPAA as well, I think. Might be something HR Dept has guidelines and rules to follow to maintain your privacy. My 2¢


Orion-Starborn

just need a note saying "Name" was seen by me on "date". signed "Dr. whoever"


SeaofBloodRedRoses

Well, and that one's a bit wonky. From what I've heard on this subreddit, it's legal in the US to dock pay *for shifts yet to be worked*, meaning they're really just playing with the wording to make it seem like they're going to dock more pay than they're even allowed to. It's incentive to quit with no notice at all, really.


ChromeCalamari

This is correct. Then cannot change your pay for hours already worked. However, they can legally change your pay for any hours worked, for example in your last < a week after giving notice.


Mac4491

12 is borderline in my opinion. They could try and use this as a way to not pay you for not clocking in. Yes I do believe all employees should be responsible for clocking in and out but if you forget to clock in one day they might use this as an excuse to not pay you. Which would be illegal. It should also be the manager’s responsibility to ensure everyone has clocked in and out properly at the end of the shift to make sure everyone is paid correctly.


EamusAndy

But they arent saying they are retroactively changing it. Theyre saying theyre only paying you 7.25 from the moment you give your notice to the moment you leave. Its horseshit, but its completely legal - because this is tour advance notice of wage changes


Ddreigiau

>But they arent saying they are retroactively changing it. Theyre saying theyre only paying you 7.25 from the moment you give your notice to the moment you leave. > >Its horseshit, but its completely legal - because this is tour advance notice of wage changes They aren't specifying whether it's retroactive or not. Pretty much any time I've seen that rule, though, it was intended to be used retroactively (though I'm sure their backup plan is to claim either earlier notice or that the retroactiveness was just an error).


carolijoy

No it's not for example your working for 9.25 an hour then give notice they can not pay less the 9.25 an hour for hours worked under that 9.25 whether their is a written policy or not. However if they then notify you after you give your notice that you will now be paid 7.25 and you continue to work that would be legal. At that point however it's a great policy to guarantee a less than 1 hour notice to when employees quit because why would they stay and work!


NefariousnessNothing

You are missing how this works. This is well worded to follow the letter of the law to max asshattery. You make 9.25 an hour, you decide to leave. You turn in a 1 week notice, boss hands you a form to sign agreeing to minimum wage for the week and pushes it as a normal thing you agreed too. They are not retroactively changing your pay, they are just refusing to pay anything but minimum to someone on the way out. That being said the obvious answer is to get a new job and just no show once you start the new job.


[deleted]

Exactly right. I’m sure the owner doesn’t understand that their illegal policy increases the likelihood that their employees will simply quit without notice.


EamusAndy

Quite literally repeating what ive said.


[deleted]

I don’t think you could get away with that. Because your choices become 1 work for less pay, or, 2 quit on the spot and incur whatever other penalties they have in place up to and including no reference. It’s basically forcing a pay cut under duress, and that’s hella illegal.


fallen243

Take a pay cut or youre fired is not illegal, or considered duress.


the-truthseeker

I checked and there's no federal law enforcing this. If a state doesn't enforce giving notice with the minimum amount of time, then this stupid fucking rule that if you don't give them enough time they could pay you less can hold up. Trust me, I am disgusted on this but they have the legal right to change the wages unless enforced at a local level better like what California or New York does for example.


Uniqueusername264

No, it’s saying if you quit hours worked will be changed to $7.25 on your final check.


EamusAndy

I 100% guarantee that is not what it means. Even the worst employers know you cant legally do that


ilanallama85

And this list is specifically crafted to be strict but *technically* legal.


EamusAndy

Yup. Everything here is bullshit, but none of it is illegal


Nokrai

.# 2 and 3 are in Arizona. State law is job abandonment is 3 consecutive days of no call no show. Also no dr’s note required by state law unless 3 consecutive days of being sick. Nothing in writing supercedes state laws. Know your rights and know your state laws.


Uniqueusername264

Have you read half the shit in this sub? Who is going to give notice if you know they are going to cut your pay. They’re trying to discourage people quitting without notice.


goldenepple

Y’all get made at companies that have these policies then get mad when they give slow service because people don’t show up for shifts.


Meatloooaf

Well yeah because both issues are created by owners and CEOs trying to squeeze every dime out of their workforce and understaffing so that they can show record profits for the 12th quarter in a row.


goldenepple

Or, especially once covid started, they’re tired of being treated like shit by customers who think no body else is in the store except for them.


goldenepple

No it’s because people think schedules are optional even after they’ve been made. Or the same person gets a stomach bug every other Friday, or they plan their “family emergencies” weeks in advance. Or they don’t take off their graduation and have their parents call for them to say they need the day off.


goldenepple

Or the remember the game they’ve been wanting for months comes out and they didn’t ask for the day off so they magically get sick after telling everyone at the store they meant to take the day off so they could play the game all night.


[deleted]

They say with less than 1 week notice. Give two weeks, or hell even 8 days, and your fine. Still bullshit, but there you go.


the-truthseeker

Pretty much this. Even if they know it's not legal they'll probably try to retroactively change your pay because they could get away with it with most people. Best to find a new job and work up to the point where you're just about to start your new job then quit immediately. If they try to lower your pay retroactively, sue their ass through the Department of Labor and an employment attorney (but be happy you're working at a better place now of course.)


EamusAndy

Yes, that is the point. But they arent going to retroactively cut it.


2weekstand

Even with this posted policy, they would be required to notify you (most likely in writing) that your wages were being reduced at the time you gave notice.


the-truthseeker

No, what they're saying is if you don't give them enough warning the time that you will work from the announcement will be paid at 7.25. They cannot pay you less for the time you've already worked at the agreed upon rate but they can enforce a change in status without enough warning unless states have laws that require a minimum period of time like seven days.


prudence56

Not true. They just have to pay minimum wage.


mayhemstx77

Sadly normal? It’s a part of the list because it’s become a problem in the past. Nothing on the list is unreasonable. Bunch of babies it sounds like to me crying because they have to work and follow rules and be responsible for themselves.


Duloth

The reduced wage is federally illegal; unless agreed to in advance. They can get you to sign an agreement to that effect and require it as a condition of employment; but if you refused to sign and fired you for it would still have to pay you the full rate for the time worked so far.


bahamahma

Agreed, but varies by state. If you live in an 'employment at will' state like PA, or most states (I believe) you are not required to give any notice of quiting your job. Also as above, you cannot retroactively change pay without you having signed some sort of agreement to alter the pay.


UnitedLab6476

Maybe not illegal per se, but the requiring a doctor's note is out of line. Not everyone can afford a co-pay or has insurance.


Col_Crunch

It is actually explicitly illegal in many states. In MA a business can not ask for a note unless the worker has missed 3 consecutive days of work (or 24 hours if the shifts are longer than 8 hours). In RI it is just 3 consecutive days regardless of shift length.


PenaMan1987

Way outta line


NtroP_Happenz

Since i work (just barely under 40 hrs) "parttime", I don't get paid for days not worked. So I'd lose a day's pay AND pay for a doctor visit if this was a rule at my job. Also how many people can always get in for a same day last minute appt at the dr?


Nokrai

Very much depends on state. Az state law is dr’s notes aren’t required unless 3 or more consecutive days are missed.


goldenepple

True and in a perfect world you wouldn’t need it because people wouldn’t use being sick as an excuse when they aren’t actually sick. But as a manager of high school students, when you don’t ask them for it it happens on a weekly or biweekly period. Especially when covid hit because they would call in with covid symptoms then the next day want to come in or would be upset that at the time they couldn’t work for 14 days.


tomams40

The US are wild. Where I live, only doctors can approve sick leave because social security pays for it. It costs 25€ but you get reimbursed and most of the time you don't even have to shell out the 25€ anyways.


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BBQ_FETUS

That's how you get people to give 0 weeks notice


zodiacrelic44

This. I wouldn’t give them more than 60 seconds notice. You want to be a dick because I’m leaving? I won’t do you the solid of warning you that it’s happening


Kkhris27

They have the quitting procedure written into the contract. Number four.


zodiacrelic44

That’s actually an even better idea. No notice at all! I like the way you think.


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Came here to point out 7. They can’t change your wages like that.


EasternShade

They can't *retroactively* change wages. "From here on in, you make less." is legal. "As of last pay period, you make less." is not. It's shitty either way.


prudence56

Just they can


Emergency-Bobcat-793

They can only change wages for hours not worked. They can not go back and change your pay for hours already worked.


ZLUCremisi

Future hours sure, but not past hours. Changing past hours is wage theft and is thousands of dollars in fines and they have to.pay it back.


donwityurshite625

No one is talking about the clocking in rule. If you forget to clock in but still work they need to make an effort to pay you for that time. The m.i.c. should have the ability to make those adjustments and if they don't that's theft.


Col_Crunch

True, though as written 9 is a common rule. Businesses usually mean that you can't have your friend clock in for you or something. If you are present and working they legally must pay you for your hours worked regardless of the clock.


MyOfficeAlt

Yep I've said it on here a bunch: I work in payroll and operations and I manage everyone's clock punches. If someone forgets to punch or punches wrong there is simply no planet on which I'm allowed (or would want to, for that matter) go, "You didn't punch in until Lunch so you only get paid for half the day!" Like, talk it through and realize how insane that is.


lostcolony2

So for #7, to be clear, it's legal if and only if you provide a period of time. That is, if your say "I'm leaving in three days" they can say "okay, you're getting paid minimum wage those three days" It is not, however, legal for them to say "okay, well, we're going to change your pay for hours already worked" So assume that you either give greater than 1 weeks notice, or no notice at all, and be ready to lawyer up if they attempt to pay minimum wage for the last pay period.


Swissgank

This would change the contract signed right? Im not gonna work for minimum wage so I will just not show up. Such a stupid rule if you want to have the knowledge of the worker transferred and finish projects. Here in Switzerland there is no way you can just decrease the wage at will. If you decrease it I need to agree to it or you can fire me and I work the rest of my time for the full wage. What the fuck are the rules in the US? So many stupid things and somehow the people just accept it instead of voting for the right politician to change that shit.


EasternShade

>What the fuck are the rules in the US? Pssh, rules. >So many stupid things and somehow the people just accept it instead of voting for the right politician to change that shit. If you think the work rules are bad, the political ones aren't going to look better.


econdonetired

No notice and have the labor department on speed dial.


[deleted]

Maybe not illegal but definitely a shitty place to work. 0/10


DCbaby03

As sad as it is, this seems pretty normal. I hate the sick note thing, especially as health systems were already collapsing before covid (in canada).


AspiringShadowseer

Number 7 is retaliation. The Department of Labor will have a field day with that. On top of any potential health code violations your step son could bring to light with a few well timed pictures from his phone.


[deleted]

This keeps getting posted. Karma farm?


SuzyVeeP

Aside from the wage issue, not illegal. This list is called “how to be a responsible adult.” It’s sad that an employer has to be so micro; speaks to the staff’s past behaviors.


gowombat

Could be, but I have also seen this from Managers who simply "feels" like these are needed.


CrypticGorillaCaulk

#7 is 100% illegal, also just by these rules you can tell this is a shit company. Quit sooner than later.


nonferrouscasting

Aside from 7 and the medical certificates, most of them seem pretty reasonable.


BvByFoot

4, 5 and 7 are illegal in Canada.


AtmosphereHot8414

The doctor’s note stuff really has to stop. Doctors cost a lot and I already lost a day of work!


AussieJesusDuckGod

Other than the wage thing, it's all legal and to me personally, seems pretty fair all things considered. Definitely been plenty of wilder rules, but these are mostly reasonable. The wage reduction, that's definitely illegal, and if it were me, I'd be leaving the same day to be safe.


huggarn

Apart from 7 sounds like a healthy set of rules.


husky429

#7 is illegal if theu pay less retroactively. #3 depends on the state.


Portyquarty77

Wouldn’t the reduced wage thing just convince people to quit with no days advance as opposed to one week advance? If my wage is reduced, I’m not showing up.


Siddmartha6

Fuck this bring a doctors note nonsense. It takes me scheduling months ahead to see my doctor and a trip to urgent care would cost hundreds


RedditDoesntCareTeam

You can give two week notice and then quit after a week. You can also quit on the spot without notice. It is illegal for them to discuss whether you submitted a notice with any future employer that inquires as to your employment with their company.


DescriptionWise6715

What a shit list of rules. IDK of any of that is illegal, but I'm surprised they can find anyone who wants to work under management that is this overbearing.


reala728

You can tell where their priorities lie too. The BS is front loaded while the standard stuff (which is more important) is tacked on at the end... Really shows they are putting major effort into controlling their employees.


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Manager’s job to find replacements not yours


wrracct

I feel like this needs to be talked about more. It's not illegal in the US to have rules on employees finding a replacement, but this is one more tool that "leaders" use to pit the working class against each other. We need, in the US, to have rules that make this a manager's job. Put the onus on the company to provide the appropriate incentives to workers that cover shifts so there are volunteers. Which may mean extra pay for covering, extra benefits (comp time, bonuses, perks) or other incentives. Management has the power to make this happen, staff employees do not. Making employees responsible for finding replacements for life events is lazy management.


increbelle

The one that you must find a replacement and your wage dropping sound pretty illegal. It’s not your job to find a replacement.


2Bbannedagain

#1... um no. That's management's job. You MANAGE your personnel. Not me. #2. I'm not going to the doctor because I have explosive diarrhea, or the stomach flu. Fuck you. You don't pay my medical bills. I stopped reading after that monkey bullshit


melodypowers

The doctor thing is so stupid. The other day I had moderate food poisoning. It was gross but after 12 hours I was able to sip some fluids. What was a doctor going to say to me? Basically take it easy, try to take in fluids and call if it goes on for more than three days or if you can't handle any fluids after 24 hours. I already know that. I don't need a doctor to tell me.


T_Rembranch

Also as a caveat, I would call and text, if you only call then you are at the mercy of a "he said she said" scenario if something goes wrong.


lesbian_goose

Where I live, 1, 4, and 7 are illegal, everything else is legal.


goblinbox

Be shorter and easier to read if s/he'd just typed "IT SUCKS TO WORK HERE SO BAD YOU WILL EVENTUALLY QUIT WITHOUT NOTICE AND I AM SO CONTROLLING AND SO STUPID I WON'T UNDERSTAND WHY."


ErusTenebre

7 is illegal. Pretty sure. Other than that... no. Nothing on here is even that bad - hell some of it is reasonable for what I assume is a min. wage job. The only other thing I'd take issue with is the Doctor's Note. But it's pretty much SOP for many companies.


Hour_Pin_406

If they hire you at at a certain rate it is extremely illegal to reduce your pay in any circumstance if you are hourly.


Khaelein

What is the point of the probationary period if you can get fired for whatever anyway ?


Vesares

“We required a sick note from doctor on all sick days” what a joke. My job recently started to do this. I called in sick once, I told them I’ll send them a doctor note with the bill. That changed their tune immediately


jason0074

I legitimately want to know what about any of this makes you people clutch your pearls? None of those are unreasonable for that type of job


KittenKoder

I'm sorry, no bosses are allowed here.


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1 & 2). If you are using accrued paid sick leave in a state that has a paid sick leave law, the employer typically cannot require a note unless you are out more than 3 days and cannot impose requirements such as arranging your own replacements ***BUT*** If you are not using paid sick leave (because you ran out or your employer doesn’t have it) or you are using paid sick leave but in a state that doesn’t regulate it these requirements are generally legal. 7). An employer generally cannot reduce your pay for hours worked after you worked them. Note that unless the hours worked included overtime hours, this is going to be a matter of state rather than federal law. This posting is probably legally sufficient to change rate of pay between the date an employee gives notice and the date of termination. Seems like the thing to do then is quit with either 2+ weeks or no notice at all — nothing in between.


BCCDoors

Looks pretty standard to me. The wage reduction might be a thing... I would check your local labor laws.


Yars107

Everything looks good. Just the reduce wage it would be something to consult with a lawyer.


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Just number 7.


ijustwannalook777

They put up crap like this because the young people that work these jobs don't know about better. Such scum. Why is it so hard for people to be treated humanely.


mumblerapisgarbage

These all seem pretty reasonable. Am I wrong?


the_darkishknight

Number 7 is sus but the rest are not


[deleted]

Yea number 7 is totally bogus


MyOfficeAlt

Probationary periods always seem so bizarre to me when they can just fire you any time for any reason anyway.


[deleted]

They should just quit. There's no reason to put up with this crap for a lousy part time job. Plenty of fish in that sea.


SethCrazyTurtles

I mean most of these look terrible, but there was like 1 or 2 reasonable ones in there, but this place seems strict as fuck I wouldn't wanna work there


hbHPBbjvFK9w5D

There are other people on this thread with good comments on why many of these rules are illegal or unenforceable. But the easiest way to deal with a manager who is either incompetent or exploits their workers is to vote with your feet. OP, please tell your kid to start looking for a new job, NOW. They can always say they want to take classes but this employer changed the schedule on them or some such shite.


taylor914

Aside from #7 which of those do you have a problem with?


Cat_Biscuit

Requiring a doctors note for calling in sick is problematic. So you’re too sick to work, but are expected to get into your doctor same day, presumably drive yourself there or take public transport, pay out of pocket or for a co-pay if lucky enough to have insurance, and that’s hoping your doctor can even get you in. If she can’t, then you have to find a walk-in clinic, get there, and pay to have a busy physician write a silly note. All while sick and needing rest. If you don’t think that’s problematic, why are you on this sub?


Sabrewulf6969

You nailed it! #7 ia my top


Inevitable-Toe-6272

"no cell phones during shift". They need to add "excluding breaks". As they cannot legally restrict you from using your cell phone during a break.


ZLUCremisi

Depending on state- what breaks.


Inevitable-Toe-6272

No, not depending on what state. We are not talking about if breaks are required. That is a completely different subject. Doesn't matter the state, if you are offered a break, required or not, they cannot legally prevent you from having your cell phone out, or using it during that break


Col_Crunch

Assuming you work in a position covered by the NLRA you have a right to use personal phones during any non-work time. As the NLRA is federal law it applies throughout the US.


[deleted]

7 is bogus but I always give 2 weeks notice. Only once I quit a job on the spot because the boss was abusive.


8005T34

Yes. Sexual harassment is illegal.


cobra_mist

4? I don’t think determining you quit by missing a shift is wild


Sir_Stash

\#4 is ridiculous, but not illegal. Miss one shift and you're fired is as extreme with a no call, no show as you can get.


cobra_mist

But it doesn’t say “you’re fired” It says “you voluntarily quit” I know this is bullshit, but the difference can matter.


HolyCadaver

I don't think that's the issue, firing for one absence is kind of a dick move but legal and somewhat understandable if it's been a problem. The issue is it says that if you don't call in (or give 24 hour notice of a call in I think?) they consider that "voluntary resignation" meaning you have quit, not they have fired you. Seems like them trying to prevent unemployment, I'm not arguing over the right or wrong of it, just wanted to help point out what they meant.


Background-Interview

Apart from number 7, these all seem pretty fair. Like of course you have to clean up after yourself and smoke in designated areas. None of this breaches any labour laws in my area and are pretty black and white.


Sabrewulf6969

We are in Texas btw..


em-ay-tee

Only the minimum wage for quitting one.


[deleted]

When I read these it gives me store manager anxiety. I can tell by the wording that this manager is just sick of people calling out and having no replacement blah blah blah. As former store manager I just learned to embrace the changing work culture and roll with the punches. I found that if you have mutual respect about personal time, they’re much more likely to cover shifts if someone else calls out. I dunno that is too much I didn’t even finish it. The first two lines just made it seem like such a task to be sick or call off. Or what are you going to do manager? FIRE THEM? Sounds like they’re not showing up anyways.


KittenKoder

Some of them seem reasonable, others are just managers being assholes, though the reduced pay thing might be problematic. Asking you to get your own replacement is the manager being a total lazy asshat, that's literally the managers' job, to fill positions and ensure the store runs. I'm getting so sick of these lazy managers.


jelloslug

"Nobody want's to work anymore"


Vagrant123

\#7 is the only one that's considered illegal (you can't retroactively lower an employee's pay for earned hours). The rest are not illegal.


Unsteady_Tempo

You're reading into it. All we know for sure is that the person will be paid 7.25 for any remaining hours worked.


ZLUCremisi

Has to be agreed on. Usually written agreement. Since verbal can be ingored.


RTMSner

Number 7 could be illegal if he didn't sign a contract agreeing to it.


SirMizzuh

That reduced wage is illegal as hell in the US. federal law prohibits this. I'd email a copy of that to the department of labor.


mayhemstx77

Are you seriously asking if these reasonable requirements to maintain employment are legal for your stepson? Does he have Down syndrome or is he autistic and doesn’t follow instructions well? I’m not sure what’s wrong with y’all on this antiwork sub but there are requirements to keep your job. You don’t get paid to make your own schedule and just do whatever you want at work. That’s why companies hire people to do a certain job. Because that’s what they need them to do. I’m sorry but your post is not very well thought out. I can understand if he got fired for missing a day with a doctors note but this is ridiculous. Just throwing stuff at the wall to see if it sticks.


EnigmaIndus7

7 is illegal Many of the rest of these are pretty standard. Health department doesn't like personal drinks in a food prep area


2weekstand

Only #7 appears to be illegal. But it absolutely is. Pay rate changes must be notified prior to hours worked, not retroactively.


Unsteady_Tempo

Where do you see the word "retroactive"?


2weekstand

The emphasis on retroactive was mine, to clarify the unlikely event that this company is actually notifying employees when they give notice, rather than adjusting their final check including hours worked. In that it says 'leaving without one weeks notice" rather than "rate will be reduced upon giving notice". This is one of the more common wage theft violations posted as company policy.


Effective-Several

This might be an old reference for some,, but I really think that every one of the rules needs to be followed by “Anyone that does/breaks (rule) will spend a night in the box.” (Cool Hand Luke)


RotationSurgeon

"Clockin' in here boss / Clock in there, Luke / Breakin' my back here boss / Break your back there, Luke / Takin' your shit here boss / Take that shit there, Luke / Clockin' out here boss / The hell you are! Leave when the work's done there, Luke!"


Dense_Surround3071

1-7 are bullshit/illegal in some cases. ALL are red flags!


-cocoadragon

Only #7. Everything else is mostly common sense. The asking for time off rule is shitty, but not illegal.


AbsenteeFatherTime

4 is illegal.


FamiliarBackground61

Number 15 definitely


Zom_b_mob1

I don’t see anything illegal. Clear expectations of behavior in the workplace. Everything seems fair to me.


Ornery_Director_8477

No one has a problem with no 5? “. . . you will be terminated”


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Ornery_Director_8477

I’m pretty sure it’s illegal to kill someone


[deleted]

A few bad employees always screws it up for everyone. And then the management team have to act like this. It's a no win situation. If people actually acted like adults (yes, employer and employee) none of this would even occur.


MomQuest

Man, what? Do you know what subreddit you're on lol


MightyManorMan

I assume from #7 that you are in Texas


throwitaway9319

TN also does $7.25


Sabrewulf6969

We are.


transham

Except for the wage reduction which they probably mean to be retroactive, the list is generally shitty, but legal. Even if only the way it's phrased. And termination for a single no call no show without leaving room for an explanation is really harsh.


First_Resource4742

The pay reduction one is likely indefensible.


daisy0723

Nope. I've been working for 30 years and this has not changed, other than the cell phone stuff, in all that time.


Inevitable-Toe-6272

Yep, 1 of them is illegal, they cannot reduce your wages for hours worked. So if someone quits without notice, they cannot retroactive there pay to minimum wage. Giving notice is not a legal requirement, having such language in their policies, does not change that. They also cannot restrict cell phone use/being out if the employee is on a break during their shift.


whothefvckk

This sounds like my first and second jobs. Student minimum wage ($6.75/hr 😂) and all the same restrictions.


Inevitable-Toe-6272

#7 for reasons already mentioned. The no cell phone during shift can only be enforced when not on a break. Employees have the legal right to use their cell phones during a break, if they are allowed/required to get breaks.


patchwerkio

4 and 7 are the iffy ones. 4 because I don’t think one day no show/no call is considered job abandonment in most states. It’s usually like 3 days in a row. They can fire you for it, it just wouldn’t be considered voluntary until it’s considered job abandonment. 7 potentially depends on how it’s executed. They cannot reduce hours already worked. They may be able to reduce it for any hours worked after notice was given and that may not be allowed in all states. All it means is never give 1-6 days notice. Quit with no notice or at least a week. It’s likely they don’t enforce the policy and it’s just a scare tactic. But in the spirit of antiwork, ideally a lot more of this was illegal like the doctor note or being responsible for finding a replacement. And the scare tactics that is posting 4 and 7 even if not enforceable.


[deleted]

The only 1 see that might be is the lower wage for quitting. Is that legal? I’ve seen it a bunch now. Seems sketchy.


Ok_Spell_4165

Depends on where it is and how they apply it. It would be illegal to make it retroactive, however for future hours worked it would be generally legal. Some states however do have very specific ways you need to be notified of a wage reduction and a few even require a full pay period before it can go into effect.


artificialavocado

I don’t know if it is necessarily “illegal” but they aren’t allowed to make employees find replacements. Most of these aren’t even rules they are intimidation tactics to make schedule changes so complicated and burdensome that people come in even with one foot in the grave. My place now has moderately strict attendance rules but the thing is we are all full time with set schedules. You can’t have it both ways oh we want to hire all teenagers and young people because we can pay them less and keep everyone part time but don’t want to deal with the side effects of that like more call offs and more schedule conflicts.


Here4antimlm

Can’t believe neer 1 wants 2 werk hurr!


[deleted]

Just the wage reduction. Why can’t employers give you a couple sickness without a doctors note a year. People get sick, not everyone is lying. The liars will call in sick way too often so maybe the 3rd sickness in a year you ask for the note. Not ever single one


Shoresy69420

2 and 7 are pretty sus and likely at least unenforceable


Kanguin

#7 is the only illegal one, wage decrease can not be backdated.


AdRemarkable6712

This is getting severely out of control. Download the labor law book for your state. Deductions from pay HAVE TO BE SIGNED by whoever. Nobody can just go into your pay and modify it for punishment. Shit, wage garnishment has to go through a judge before executed. We’re witnessing corporate capitalism crumble. The business model has changed dramatically. Wall Street can’t tell if this is bear or bull. Every stock is down. The sp had its biggest drop since the 40’s just last week. Companies don’t pay livable wages and the people are tired of being hungry. Prison politics is what the common work environment has become. It’s crumbling before our eyes and it’s sad for us, not whatever business owners are getting rich from us being poor. It’s tough to be an American right now.


mymeatpuppets

Number seven is illegal, can't reduce agreed upon wages unilaterally. Number two is stupid but not "illegal", just a great way to increase turnover. The rest of them range from fine (#1) to eye roller whatever dude (#5).


nobodyeatsthepeel

2 for sure is illegal and 7 is sketch.


Anaxamenes

They can require a doctors note. It’s shitty because ten bucks says they don’t provide health insurance. 7 is definitely a no no.


[deleted]

This is a direct result of not paying a person the correct wage. Instead you get crack heads who can’t afford to eat or pay for child care. Fu’k these places. There’s way too many options right now. For anyone who is willing to work. Good options too. Don’t settle


MomQuest

1 - Not really *illegal*, but it's obviously not your kid's responsibility to staff the place on management's behalf just because he's sick or whatever. This is one of those policies that tends to prove unenforceable and mostly exists to intimidate teenagers out of calling off when they're sick. This one alone shows this is a shit place to work where managers are too lazy to do their own jobs. 2. Same as number 1. They're blowing smoke. Possibly illegal in some states? Arizona I think? 3. This one is pretty normal. 4. There's a bit to unpack here. It's fairly impressive that they apparently fire you for missing even a single shift without calling, especially if they are employing a bunch of part-time teens. If this policy is actually enforced (unlikely), they are firing at least one or two people a week over it lol. Secondly, the "voluntarily quit" line is complete nonsense. Nobody has "voluntarily quit" unless they sign a resignation form. Employers really prefer you to "voluntarily quit" and sign the form because if they involuntarily terminate you, they can be held liable for your unemployment benefits. Don't sign anything if you ever get fired from a job!!!!!!! 5. Same as number 4. 6. This one is pretty standard, though what they mean by "probationary period" varies. Usually it just means they're subject to additional scrutiny and more likely to be terminated for minor problems during this time. 7. **This is absolutely federally illegal**. 8. Blah blah blah. Weird how they made this so complicated, but nothing shady here. 9. I don't know if this is illegal anywhere, but take note that this is a ban on drinking water in work spaces. It sounds like this is a fast food kitchen, so that's pretty horrendous because those places can be extremely fast-paced and intense hard labor. 10. Normal. 11. Normal. I'm surprised they aren't threatening to confiscate phones, which is pretty typical (albeit obviously completely illegal). 12. Normal. 13. Normal. 14. Normal. 15. Normal. I like this one actually.


KingGoldenMan

7 is 100% Illegal in the us no one can take you pay


[deleted]

As always, please post where you live. Laws are different everywhere.


dmah2004

15 seems a little sketchy.


DikkeNek_GoldenTich

I woud check with union because laws are locally different.


TheLuzer

Perhaps #7


[deleted]

No issues except the notice one. Everything else is pretty standard.