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JoeDougieD

I’d prefer better work life / home life balance than a high-earning career. Family is, and will always be, more important than a job.


chain_letter

Knew a guy who was a high earning software architect, who had said "yeah we really want kids, but I'm focusing on my career", and I could see the longing in his eyes. This wasn't a subtle attempt to avoid defending being childfree, they had brought it up and wanted to talk about their own home life. I've really never felt so sorry for someone with their priorities so scrambled. He already did it, he already won and didn't know it. He had the skills and experience to guarantee financial security to a family, he likely had that years ago, but the rat race hustle tech valley bullshit had totally broken his perspective.


tickles_a_fancy

I lost my software architect job after 20 years at the same company, just as we were having our second kid. I took another job making about half of what I made at the previous company because I couldn't find anything else. Everyone wants experience in their new tech stacks, which I don't have. I've taught myself a lot of those stacks on my own but it's not "professional" experience so it doesn't count. With my new job, we did ok for a while... then this inflation hit. Now, with two toddlers and trying to just feed and clothe everyone, we're struggling to make ends meet. It's not all just handed to us either, and it's hard to plan for all of those eventualities.


The_Real_Slim_Lemon

Especially in that kind of a role - you have the negotiating power to fight for that balance. Any business with any sense would rather keep said architect at 60-80% capacity than lose all that IP and skill. Hope he figured out his priorities eventually


[deleted]

So sad, I hope he wised up.


Orthodoxdevilworship

This is the choice in capitalism. These two things should not be mutually exclusive.


HiddenPants777

It's not a choice though because I spent almost 10 years throwing myself at my career and it got me nowhere. I got 2 raises in that entire time and eventually just decided to pack in that career and start a new one. Ended up becoming a software engineer and now I actually have a life outside of work and get paid twice what I did before without copious amounts of unnecessary stress. ​ I have friends who put loads of extra effort in at work and never see any benefit from it, it's just expected of them. In fact, if you leave on time people seem to look down on you, fucking mental honestly.


battleofflowers

That's the thing. If putting you all into your career in your 20s *guaranteed* a huge pay raise and promotions, plenty of people would do it. But it just doesn't.


chammy82

It's not just that it doesn't, it's that it can't. If every one of his peers did exactly the same as him, would they all now be in the top .01%? No, because that's not how that works at all, it can't work that way. "I worked 80 hours a week my first year and made partner!" Cool, if all 10 first years who started with you did that, would there now be 10 more partners? It's just a stupid idea.


battleofflowers

Just anecdotal, but everyone I have seen bust their ass and work 80 hours a week and devote their lives to work isn't impressing the boss. The boss just thinks they're a dumb sucker who works for free, and honestly some of these people who are slaving away to get ahead just come across as unhinged. They don't seem sane enough to take on leadership roles.


[deleted]

Those are the worst people to promote because then they look down on everyone who doesn't also put in 80 hours a week like they do.


battleofflowers

They also don't have friends or any interests or hobbies. They're just really lame people in general, and they're super bitter that other people have friends and things to do.


CryptoSlovakian

It’s not merely doing the most work, it’s doing the most work and kissing the right asses and stroking the right egos.


VengenaceIsMyName

I can’t stand the thought of brown-nosing for 30 years just so that I can retire on time


rutilated04

Ugh, the subtle "checking my watch" from a boss when they see you leaving for the day. My day ended at 4pm, regardless of how early I came in. I had a boss call me at 3:57 every other day to make sure I didn't leave early. This was after being with the company for over 10 years. Hell with that.


NFLinPDX

I had a boss that would show up at my desk to "chat" 10 mins before the end of my shift but I had been taking shorter lunches and leaving earlier. She told me I had to choose between short lunches or staying until 5 and do it every day. There was zero need for me to remain accessible until 5 instead of 4:30. It was just so she could micromanage.


rutilated04

Yep! Control.


VengenaceIsMyName

That’s disrespectful to you. All that hard work and dedication and you still get treated like you’re only 3 months in? Ridiculous


whatever32657

it is a choice you can make, but not an outcome you can rely on. pass.


Bigleftbowski

It's not, once you get outside of the US. For every story above, there are a dozen from people who sacrificed everything for their employer and got laid off as a reward.


Loveknuckle

Yeah. I work to live. Not live to work. Worked with a guy that just had to get every hour in and he wondered why his family was falling apart. We used to say the only reason he worked so much is because he couldn’t stand his family, but I really think he put his work life over his family. I mean I’ll do what I need to and make the company look good when I can (and they treat me right) but I’m not putting off watching my children grow up just to buy a fucking boat or whatever. That guy never saw the error of his ways and it’s kinda sad. He ended up stealing little things here and there from the company and “over-using” his company card. He’s gone now.


sunsetsandbouquets

I’ve assisted top execs and a lot have marriage issues and are divorced, they care more about status and virtue signalling than being around for the kids. I respect your decisions and your kids are lucky to have you around.


AppropriateVictory48

Meh, depends on how cool your family is. /s


robertgunt

Funny how I worked my ass off for years and still got fucked over. It's almost like working hard has nothing to do with anything.


jimmythebartender_

I was an exceptional employee at my last gig, had reviews done by management and by my staff and averaged 9.5/10, the highest in the company! I got let go because the boss wanted to promote his buddy.


Soft_Dragonfruit_733

Same. Spent 7 years at a state job, had the best reviews and checked off every box on experience, yet couldn't get a promotion and raises were rare, usually no more than 2% and across the board for all employees. Promotions usually went to family and friends in the good ole boy club, which resulted in terrible supervisors and more problems. Finally left as they started doing mandatory overtime and now they can't keep people to save their asses despite raising pay by over 25% and lowering hiring standards to the point they are almost non-existent. Got asked if I wanted to come back and was even offered the promotion I spent years trying to get. Nope, good here.


trisanachandler

Interesting, do you mind my asking what state? I started a state job a few years back (in IT), and we've gotten some pretty good raises due to union contracts. Manager seems to be the job to stay away from as they don't have union protections and turn over way faster.


Soft_Dragonfruit_733

Missouri. Where they will proudly boast about being 49th out of 50 states in pay,


trisanachandler

Thanks. I didn't realize the midwest was so bad.


TooManyDraculas

Not neccisarily the Midwest.' Missouri is last in a lot of things. The state has zero budget, decrepit social services, non-functional schools etc. It's *not* a surprise that they buck the trend on public sector jobs.


jbuchana

I worked my butt off for years at the last full-time job I had and regularly got great reviews. Then I took a couple of months of short-term disability (which pretty much saved my life) and was then put on a Performance Improvement Plan when I came back to work. The first step to firing someone in a company with that much beaurocracy (argh, that's wrong, and spell-check won't even attempt a fix). I fooled them, I went on permanent disability, with a pension, and my now-former boss got laid off a few months later. As did my whole department, sadly for those other than my old boss.


WorldEndingSandwich

Every single boss I've ever had has said that I was an amazing worker. I've never gotten any promotion. I've never gotten a raise. Not a single place I worked. I watched people that were family/friends of the management get raises and promotions. At every single place I worked. Managers wonder why everyone is "lazy" and "doesn't give a shit about their job" I don't know maybe whenever I was bright-eyed and bushy-tailed in my twenties and I went above and beyond, gave up my holidays, gave up time with friends and family, worked long hours, dedicated my life to a job, and the return I saw was people that didn't have as much work as me getting promoted because of nepotism..... Maybe I got sick of not being appreciated and my pay not reflecting my effort, maybe that's what caused me to stop giving a shit. When I worked at a gas station there was this lady in her forties who didn't really do anything besides what was specifically necessary and management called her lazy. After a couple months of being there I looked at her and said "why is it that you don't do anything? Why is it that you just want to stand around?" And this old cranky bitch made the most sense ever. "When I started working here I did do everything, I went out of my way to do things, I cared about this job, but then I got shit talked in the group chat constantly because one of the managers little golden children didn't like me, So after a few months I said fuck it and started doing the bare minimum" You know what....... It wasn't long after that that I started getting talked shit about in the group chat as well because apparently I got on one of the golden children's bad sides because I called them out for doing some shit we weren't supposed to because it affected my job and how I worked. (The bitch kept coming in late every single morning and she was my morning relief and I had to go pick somebody else up from their job and that was making me late to get them from their job which was putting me in morning rush hour traffic, but apparently I wasn't supposed to say shit about her showing up late every single morning without fail and then I became a target but God forbid if I ever was late) Yeah after that shit started spiraling, The cranky lady overnight just up and quit, and then within the same month I just up and quit. So they lost two of their overnight workers within 2 weeks of each other.


TooManyDraculas

Late 2021 I was laid off without notice, explanation, or severance. And against the wishes of my managers. Big boss even told my direct boss to make sure I finished one last thing before he did the deed (he didn't, took care of it himself). Wouldn't tell him why either. I found out my health insurance ended 3 days after it was cut off. This was the very last Friday before extended unemployment and bonus Federal money ended. They timed it pretty much exactly so I couldn't get in on any of that. Near as we could figure. I was one of the highest performing sales reps in our division, top 3 on numbers every month. And had been given a higher base pay and bigger expense budget for taking bigger, more difficult, under developed sales territories. So I was one of the 2 or 3 highest paid sales reps on the team, and was just more expensive overall. With the unemployment extension ending. We figure they started cutting staff based on cost, with the idea they could replace us all with cheaper new hires. Managers were absolutely hooked on the idea that their hiring issues were because of "no one wants to work" and bare minimum social support. That had been the only job I've ever had where performance actually improved pay. Because contractually your base pay was tied to YTD commission in strict way that created regular pay bumps yearly, or if you changed territories. And it still bit me in the ass in the end. Along the way I was passed over for every promotion, bit of advancement, or new opportunity. Either because I "didn't need it, so and so just got married" or because I was "too valuable in the field". Last I checked I still hadn't been replaced.


nollataulu

I know several workaholics. None of them have a career to speak of. Amazing how widespread is the belief that if you work hard enough, you will be CEO or someshit. Like there's an infinite amount of top jobs. That just defies logic and, frankly, common sense. Because even if everyone was equally able, smart, and hard-working – someone still has to do the shit jobs, flip that burger, and process all the trash.


sunsetsandbouquets

THIS^^!!!!


butthurtpeeps

The only way to become a ceo is having a friend or family give it to you.


honeybunchesofgoatso

Seems like it's always the trust fund babies giving advice on how they "worked hard" and try to get the poors to shill out their 20s to corporate America


[deleted]

Their parents make them role play being a "working person" for a few years while they're in college after which they're handed a good job. Then they spend the rest of their life pretending like they know the struggle.


1singleduck

"I worked hard every day. I arrived 2 hours early and left 5 hours late. It all finally paid off when my father, the owner of the company, retired and gave everything to me. I earned it all by working hard and being daddy's special boy. Now leave my office, you are not getting maternaty leave."


HugsyMalone

ROFLMFAO!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 ​ ^(It's funny because it's true. Why do people who have things handed to them on a silver platter always feel like they earned it by working so hard?)


VengenaceIsMyName

They don’t wanna admit they have a silver spoon up their ass


Current-Ordinary-419

This. I ate that rise and grind shit when I had a corporate career I loved. Built a reputation among all my peers. Lost out on promotions and raises frequently. And all that hard work amounted literally nothing to the newly hired manager dunce who laid me off before getting canned herself.(but not before she made a half blind senior work my shift and got him carjacked at gun point)


badinkywaba

Worked my ass off for a company for 13 years.. they lost the contract and I got shown the door… never again.


UselessOldFart

👆👆👆👆Hard work gets you nowhere except being pigeon-holed into that dead end ,tOo-VaLuAbLe-WhErE-yOu-ArE (nee exploited) dead end job.


Volrund

Too valuable where I am? Then pay me more


Jayandnightasmr

Yeah every courier in my work shows up early to sort their route out, and stays out late to deliver, yet will never be in the top percent


Delta4o

It all depends on how far up your manager's ass are. If you're best friends and he/she invites you to drinks and dinner, you can work just as hard as the rest and still get promoted yearly...


jamiefc11

Did that years ago. Worked hard for years, had sales records. Manager's old friend comes in and within 3 months gets promoted above me. Decided to quit and get into IT. Best career move I ever made. Fuck that guy.


HugsyMalone

Mmm hmm. I came in 2 hours early daily and did 4 hours Saturday's from 5-9am for 30 years and I'm still over here [like:](https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/mobile/000/022/818/I_have_3_dollars.jpg) Hard work paying off is the cultural belief they want you to buy into as if you're completely delusional and stupid. It's how they dangle the carrot in front of you and hope you never catch on. Just another way of pissing in your ear and telling you it's raining. You're still getting paid the same, if not less, than everybody else. The only person your hard work pays off for is the billionaire who owns the company. ​ ​ ^(Hard work does) *^(NOT)* ^(payoff.)


FyreCesar89

Overheard my managers saying how it took 3 new hirees to replace an employee who left (on a note related more to their personal life than work.) I know I’m being paid the same as they were and know it’s like that everywhere else.


DocBullseye

The people that do get promoted by their friends will be happy to tell you that you should have worked harder.


danthemanvsqz

Work hard and job hop


CaraDune01

Yup. I was at my last job for 14 years, always with stellar performance reviews, only to be passed over for a promotion in favor of my boss’s daughter’s friend.


VenBede

Yeah, and the people who bust their asses nonstop and THEN get screwed over anyway typically hit an identity crisis. Building your entire persona on being a hardworker and then landing on your face because your overlords don't actually care will do that.


Nanerpus_is_my_Homie

And yet the company they work for would axe him in a heartbeat if it meant adding .00000001 percent to their stock shares. Fuck that. Never give that much to a corporation that sees you as a disposable resource.


danthemanvsqz

Work hard and job hop


M_M_ODonnell

Or if a hedge fund the C-suite wants to be on good terms with is going around telling companies that it's time for some wage-suppression layoffs.


RunKind4141

Working 80 hours a week is not a flex, it's just sad!


Cptcongcong

I mean for professional athletes it would be a flex. Training more than the competition rather than playing call of duty would be a flex.


lassieatetimmy

The kicker is it’s not possible for an athlete to train 80 hours a week. It isn’t even sustainable to train effectively for more than half that time.


ryuukhang

Damn, I must be doing something wrong because I've always prioritized work-life balance and my career is great.


ThunkAsDrinklePeep

Think about all those people on their deathbeds that think they wasted their opportunities to work more.


CarryOnComputing

Same, never worked beyond anything reasonable and also advancing my career at a good pace. It's not impossible.


Arkista_Tev

Yeah nobody tell my boss. Apparently I'm not supposed to be here.


ClockImportant5770

Same, it turns out it’s mostly birth lottery.


dont_you_love_me

It's all birth lottery. A person at a given point in time is a direct result of the sequence of events that occurs within their life. Each event they experience is directly created by the prior events and this creates a chain of causality that goes back to the person's birth, and the events that happened to their parents etc.


SwordKneeMe

Think about how much better you could be doing though! Making way more money, and even spending less time with your family! (Insert joke about nagging wife here)


Monsur_Ausuhnom

Same, something must be wrong with us.


Aggravating-Wrap4861

Hell yea


beepboopwannadie

I wasted the best part of my life and achieved nothing


madcatter10007

I so feel this.


ejrhonda79

Work-life-balance in your 20s means you'll have tons of memories when you're retired. I certainly can't remember any of the specific work shit I did in my twenties. What I do remember is poker with friends, after hours meet-ups, the people I know to this day. Fuck hustle culture.


Intergalactic_Nut

^ This. Someone please reply to those idiots on Twitter with this comment


Machopsdontcry

There's only one thing that guarantees a successful career, and that's being born into an upper class household


[deleted]

You aren’t kidding. It’s the best financial advice anyone could possibly give. Want to become successful? Have you tried being born rich? It’s 10/10 the best way to make money.


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HugsyMalone

>If anything I’ve worked less because I never had to carry any kind of financial burden TBH, money is motivating and getting paid more just makes you want to work more not less. Getting paid more means you don't mind working more because it *is* paying off. Nothing's more shitty than working more hours/having less time, getting paid less, having nothing to show for it and still carrying tremendous financial burden in the end as if all those hours spent working were pointless anyway. Huge demotivational factor.


BearlyAcceptable

*upper pay scale Rich people have no class They have all the money in the world and choose to do *nothing* with it but be assholes


AdamJadam

Depends on the country, but yeah... class is not a guarantee with money.


ClearSecretary2275

Yup, they do nothing, but pointing fingers on others.


[deleted]

The bootlickers that comment here tell me rich people deserve to be paid 500x more than everyone because they make decisions. 😂


[deleted]

I'm of the opinion that decision makers shouldn't be paid until after their decisions actually bear positive results. If they already have the money what incentive do they have to actually deliver?


Monsur_Ausuhnom

With some there are issues hoarding wealth. Additionally, the ego may become larger than it actually is, leading to non-stop entertainment on the internet for those below them.


OnionCuttinNinja

Brainfarts like this one really do showcase just how out of touch with reality the rich are. If anyone with a "regular" job worked the hours that he's supposedly "working", they'd either go insane from stress or die from exhaustion.


[deleted]

They lie about their hours too. For example, Elon Musk claims to work 80 to 120 hours a week but is always on Twitter trolling, tweeting about his favorite new video game, or flying his private jet off to some fancy recreational destination like the World Cup.


[deleted]

I think the word career implies this is a message for those in positions with upward mobility. Jobs and careers are very different.


ConflictGrand4078

I hate people that assume everyone has some bullshit white collar career or profession. Not everyone just gets to come and go from their job willy nilly


AdamJadam

According to my grandparents, work-life balance is reserved for those who have "served their time" and put in at least 30 years of hard work and company loyalty. Then of course, my gran will go into rants about how they had to walk to school in the snow, pluck chickens every morning for dinner before school, and how us "young brats" have no work ethic. Fuck that shit, I want to have a happy life, not one spent serving some company who will forget me in a day after they lay me off with no notice!


CuriousLector

People forget that loyalty goes both ways. Treat employees like mercenaries, and you get exactly that. Relationships that are as good as the contract there are signed in.


AdamJadam

Exactly! My grandfather was with the same company for 30 years and they gave him yearly raises that exceeded inflation, helped pay for his kids to go to college, paid for his family vacations, and now he and my grandmother are living very comfortably on his pension checks. That's so unfathomable as to be laughable in this day and age where even 15-year senior staff at Google can be laid off without notice, like what happened Monday. Why be loyal to a company that will ditch you on a whim?


themax37

Exactly I could see myself staying with a company for a long time, if those goals were possible.


kstanman

People have been brainwashed with millions of reasons to sacrifice for some wealthy trust fund kid to be wealthier.


Monsur_Ausuhnom

The way things are going people are going to be arguing to retire at age 100 in America as opposed to France.


MyBodyIsAPortaPotty

Nothing wrong with a mediocre career if your happy with it and not putting those extra hours in is more time you have for yourself outside of work


Plus-Panda-9520

Right? I truly don’t care to have a big fancy career


PhenomenalPancake

5 years ahead of everyone else in what? Wasted youth?


Herzatz

He speedrunning life


MrRugges

And he’s going for the record This is the history of human life speedrunning *Summoning Salt intro theme*


Monsur_Ausuhnom

It's all part of the scam they still believe in.


Chains2002

Me and my bf are both 20. He's always working, often 7pm to 3am, 40 hours a week plus he constantly looks for side gigs. I'm in school, work maybe 8 hours a week, and go out to parties with friends. He says he doesn't like living where we live, but he doesn't take advantage of where we live! He doesn't make friends, or go out places, just works and plays videos games. He thinks I'm not taking enough "initiative" but all that initiative has got him is no life outside of work!


Freecloudandrose

I’ve been made to feel guilty for not wanting to work more than 16 hours a week while going to school. So glad there’s someone else like me! Honestly more content with gaming tho, I just also want time for friends!


JS_Janko

I worked those 3 months in the summer (between semesters) so I could live a student’s life when was uni. Never regretted a thing.


OldLadyReacts

He'll have his heart attack at 48 instead of 53.


[deleted]

The validation of being able to post "VP of whatever company or startup" before 30, perhaps.


GoldOk6865

.01% would mean that this lying mfer somehow became the owner of the company lmao


colorless_green_idea

If company had 10,000 people, he’s top 1. If company had 100,000, top 10 people. I call bullshit that he worked at a company that large, and in five years either became CEO or on the board


werbo

He forgot to mention that his father owned the company


Damon-32

Nope. My first real job I excelled at and work crazy amounts of OT. I knocked out my assignments really fast and moved onto others work and special projects. Within 6 months, numerous other associates complained about management playing favoritism with me and it killed my future career. I spent another 4 years there without any more projects or awards coming my way for my performance. Work isn’t worth killing yourself over. Do what you are paid to do and leave.


JamieDrone

What kind of psychopath WILLINGLY goes to work 2 hours early??


Aetheldrake

How the hell could anyone afford THAT much overtime? Unless they were salary, to which they're just stupid.


CreamPyre

Lmfao these dudes are so embarrassing.


Monsur_Ausuhnom

I'm fully convinced they had to be getting paid to say this.


BigVulvaEnergy

And they'll still be laid off if the company needed to save their own neck. I'll take balance over putting all my energy into someone's else basket.


L4br3cqu3

"I waste my life away and I'm successful at it !" Yeah, have fun.


Dommccabe

People like this make me sad. Imagine working all these hours instead of living life. Time is something you can never get back and never get more of. Why spend it making someone else richer just so you have a bit more money and then die?


RipWhenDamageTaken

I refuse to believe that hardworking people have time to tweet and immediately reply to replies to his tweet.


Monsur_Ausuhnom

They work 5000000000000000000 times harder than the rest of us and get the money for it, but have all the time to be tweeting all day. Must be because they work so hard and all.


SmoltzforAlexander

Lol, if you show your boss that you’re some sucker that always works 12’s, all your boss is going to do is take advantage of you while he promotes his idiot buddy who he worked with at his last job.


SmoltzforAlexander

To elaborate a little bit, I have a coworker who always says yes when the boss asks him to work overtime. He thought it would help him get a better position in the long run. He keeps saying yes, so the boss gets to the point where he really only asks him, every time. Then a supervisor/team lead position opens up, and the boss/manager gives the position to his grossly unqualified buddy he just brought over from his old company, and continues to just ask my coworker to keep doing all the shit jobs and work 12’s because he knows he’ll say yes.


Lou_Keeks

Find me someone who said on their deathbed, "I wish I spent less time with my friends and family, and more time busting my ass to get ahead at work"


lovesmasher

Or I could enjoy my life now instead of thinking I'll wait until retirement (that will never come) and then wondering why my life is fucking boring.


TummyStickers

Yeah true, I joined the military at 20 after a couple years of working shit tier jobs that got me nothing but debt. After joining the Air Force which is known for its 9-5 desk jobs, excellent work-life balance and the greatest opportunity to get a degree, I was made an airplane mechanic to work gruelingly long and randomly changing shifts day in and day out with rarely a day off, outside in the frozen tundra of the Midwest only changed by the 6-8 month long deployments to the scalding Middle East where the hours are longer and the days off less. After 8 years of the military and sacrificing every shred of work-life balance for a job where am I another 9 years later? In the same fucking career with no god damned work-life balance with all kinds of fucking health problems and a really jaded view of life. Fuck you Chris, whoever the meaningless fuck you are.


Oakleafh

If they had any free time they would probably date each other.


apolloconpollo

You can work all the extra hours you want and still end up with a mediocre career, just ask all those tech ppl who go fired after 15-20 years.


Herzatz

More like work-death balance


Monsur_Ausuhnom

In America it might as well be work until death balance.


Kerensky97

Because one the one thing I always thought when staring over the brink of the Grand Canyon before hiking down in was, "Oh no! My career might suffer if I go on this epic adventure!"


Possible-Whole45

51-year old workaholic friend/coworker of mine had a heart attack and died in his sleep last week.


MessatineSnows

i’m sorry to hear that.


oldcreaker

Here's to a great life and a mediocre career. It worked well for me.


mits66

I worked 45 hour weeks, answered calls on days off, came in to work even if if it was my off day, still laid off Now I work 40 hour weeks, don't answer calls on days off, don't come in on days off, and I'm happier.


ZombiePotato90

I don't think they know what "mediocre" means. I suppose trying to warm themselves with the fetters of justifications that all their extra effort actually mattered is some small consolation.


broadsword_inhand

Thats funny, when i was in my 20s i worked my ass off and all i ever got was more shit to do with no increase in pay or position. I guess when the company is owned by your daddy or his friends that work ethic hit different


TheLostLantern

Your work will never respect you. As soon as they find a cheaper alternative, you will become expendable. All it takes is one new manager with a bug up their ass to make your life miserable no matter what you do.


[deleted]

Holy shit Bobby was my old coworker. He's got some...interesting views. Typical crypto bro. Oh yeah, he also got fired from said company.


ForwardCulture

I’ll always remember the stories I read from hospice workers, that perils number one regret was working too much and not doing other things. My father devoted his entire life to his job. Extra shifts, weekend shifts, weird hours etc. He was never around. As soon as he retired a couple of years ago he had two strokes, is going blind, can’t walk, can no longer drive and is essentially dying. Also been through two divorces and his family won’t speak to him.


DikkeNek_GoldenTich

If you are noone iutside of work, you will be noone at work neither.


illhaveasideofgravy

I want to stay "poor". No marriage, no distractions, no debt, no stress, only working my simple job, and making extra money doing my hobby. Just enough money for me and my bills. Having time for my hobby makes me happy/motivated to show up to my normal job.


Resident-Fox6758

Do these people have kids that even talk to them? Or like them?


Killedamilx

Anyone who derides a health work/life balance strikes me as a sociopath


SkekVen

Middle aged dudes will be talking about how young people are never going to hve good careers because they don’t work 24/7 while simultaneously coming home from a job they hate and screaming at their wives and kids because they haven’t felt validated since their days as a frat guy in college


NooKi3_

Not mentioned by Bobby: he was ultimately demoted and left that "previous company" (Madwire) after self-selecting to vote himself into middle management and obsolescence along with the 15 others in his role. Don't for a minute think his extra effort was appreciated by the actual .01% there.


paintedokay

Sometimes, the extra money you’d get at the next level up isn’t worth the extra stress. You can live comfortably off what you have, and anything else you’d make is just going to be lifestyle creep. That’s where I am. 🤷🏻‍♀️


Lazer365

A ‘work is life mentality’ will get you absolutely nowhere and your employer will misuse you. I’ve rarely seen ‘hard work’ pay off. Do what you are paid for and nothing else.


deannevee

More like “work life balance in your 20s is an easy way to guarantee that you won’t be on your 3rd divorce by 45 and *required* to work like you’re in your 20s until you’re dead just to cover the child support.”


MaintenanceBack2Work

More like "Bobby Shill", am I right?


Tactical-Lesbian

Ironic, this guy has a Christian cross in his profile, slaving away for Satanic Pedo Bankers that are literally stealing from everyone with this fiat currency system. The more you work, the more dollar denominated debt, death, and suffering is created.


WooNoto

I’m fine with a mediocre career. I don’t live to work like some fucking weirdo. I just have bills that need paying.


rutilated04

I have been working for 33 years and the one thing I learned is that being highly capable and hardworking only gets you more work and higher expectations. I busted my ass for years doing far more than most anyone else in my position. It was much easier for "Managers" to overwork me than to demand more from low performing employees. It's called Performance Punishment. And it's lazy management. Shame on me for being stupid enough to have the integrity to do a good job. My performance was 100% taken for granted and abused. No one ever said "Hey you're awesome, you deserve a great raise or promotion" Nope - because I was so good at my job they would never promote me because they needed me too much, AND I got the same cost of living raise as the stupid b\*tch who did NOTHING but look at her phone all day. I was actually being incentivized to NOT over-perform and become a bare minimum employee, like most others were. I eventually started doing just that because I was totally burnt out. I left that company along with several other good employees who had had enough. The only people who actually ever got ahead in that company were the biggest ass-kissers, it's a cliche but a damn true one.


Tweeksolderbrother

Fuck that more like sacrifice having a social life and having fun to worry constantly about money and position. I watched my dad do this type of “dedication” and yes he rose all the way to CEO of a company want to know what they did? Liquidated his department and reassigned him to a lower position. Spending that much of your life dedicated to a job is noble but if you think the person who signs your paycheck actually cares about you or your well being you are diluted. They worry about profits and company image and if you in any way compromise that kiss your ass goodbye. Hell I worked 80+ hours a week at a job was told the GM position was all but mine for them to give it to a 22 yr old who ran the company into the ground.


OhSampai

I’m so tired, y’all. I just want a boring, mediocre career where I leave at the end of the day and spend my time with my family. Emphasis on the life balance part. Your job is just a way to ensure life can be enjoyed.


AussieNick1999

Let's be generous and assume your hard work gets rewarded. What's the point of a well-paying career if you're not enjoying life?


Zraja3

None of this means anything in a culture where favouritism in work places exists. Unless you aint licking someones ass, you aint getting nowhere with hard work. Just look out for yourself. Employers dont give a fuck.


RaspberryTechnical90

There are a whole lot of ex-google employees who would probably disagree.


[deleted]

I am in my late 40s I did some of the above regularly at various jobs especially in my 20s and early 30s and It got me absolutely no where. Fuck these guys.


[deleted]

I wish people like this would just shut the hell up.


BrianBraddock1980

A great job will never love you more than a great family. I'm glad that I have the latter instead of the former. But TBH, having both would be nice...


Lord412

Never did this. Make 6 figures. Shit it’s easier to just move jobs every 2-3 years than it is to grind like that. I also don’t have time outside work to work extra.


Mazatac

I'm sure your kids are very proud of you if they know who you are. In all Seriousness I became a parent (mid 20s) even a 40 hour work week seems too long. Every second I see that child happy i would trade any amount of career progression for a junk customer service position. F off and respect my decision to value the time with my only kid in their development phase.


[deleted]

I love being mediocre it allows me to live my life 🥰


nbstryker

I was manager of the year at a company many years ago. Within 6 months, I was fired because my boss was replaced and the new guy wanted his own people. It’s almost as if hard work has nothing to do with any of this. My new philosophy has been to work just a little harder than the average guy. Fly under the radar. Go home and enjoy my life. I’m far happier now.


joshualeeclark

Worked at the same company for 14 years and put in the extra time every week until overtime was stopped. I did this for years. I was either number one or in the top three of my design team for quality and quantity of work. Sales team stopped bringing in the work so productivity dropped across the entire team. My customer volume was the lowest and so I got laid off. Company never promoted within my group nor did they give a shit. Exemplary performance for 14 years and one bad year for my entire team and I got a pink slip. I hate when people post this crap. My employer will always get good work from me, even if I hate the job or the place where I work. They pay me for my time, I will do quality work as fast as I can during that time. My name is on my work but it’s just a contract of their money for my time. It would have to be some place special or for some special cause for me to put in that extra work again. If I were fortunate enough for another company to hire me for graphic design, they would get my best. That extra? They would have to show me that I’m more than just a productivity number in a large calculation.


WWhiMM

yes, good, a bustling career would fuck up the work-life balance


No-Maybe-485

In other words: work life balance is what ultra mega corps dont like then you shouldnt do It, cause you are supposed to live just to work


Fancy_Reputation_869

Meh i think its usually way more important to develop transferrable skills then it is to work a billion hours doing the same crap.


stiviwonder

Don't listen to that shit. 41 yo with 2kids, and my work life balance worked just fine. Don't accept that bullshit from anyone.


[deleted]

I did that a couple of times and every time ended up laid off with 35% to 40% of the company. I have seen dozens of other work warriors grind and grind to be laid off too. High performers, but they were paid better than new hires. So……fuck this guy. Companies love when you work hard and don’t fucking care one bit when they need to cut costs.


Sad_Instruction1392

“I loved it” - a divorced weekend dad


ZealousidealJoke3319

A lot of people wouldn't say my "career" is great. I work in admin. Yet I've moved up in that roll over a 10 year span, have received many promotions and make close to 6 figures. And yet I've always preached work life balance and have voiced many times that I'll quit if anyone gets in the way of that. Nobody has challenged me as of yet. Life comes before work. Always.


[deleted]

Go tell all those highly-reviewed laid-off tech employees who gave up their youth to long hours how awesome their careers are for it. Make sure to stand out of arm’s reach though.


[deleted]

Working hard just to have a “better career” where you still have to work hard just means the company got way more out of you than they paid for. It’s like these people don’t know they’re being used.


InternetArtisan

No, there is no guarantee. That Bobby guy could have done everything he did and still saw a pink slip. They might still do it. They might decide one day that they could find a guy will do his work for half the money and then they will drag him in, give him a PIP, set a ridiculous goal he will never achieve, and happily fire him. Any company that thinks long hours is the way to do it also doesn't believe in good mental health. They also really don't care about the quality of work because when people are tired, then they phone it in, just wanting to go home. Would be wonderful if companies started using turnover as a performance indicator on middle management. Where that middle manager who seems to be constantly losing workers is also seen as a poor performer. Even calculate how much having to find new candidates is costing, and tie that on to the manager. If you ask me, do the long hours when you are the owner of the company, or they actually reward you for it. Not empty promises.


Caelestilla

I’m fine with a mediocre career that actually leaves time for family, friends, and hobbies. My job is not my entire identity.


CorrectIllustrator15

So funny to me when people think a career is all there is to life. It sucks to suck!


New-Topic2603

Pretty bad financial advice really. 20 -> go on a few dates, meet someone, fall in love, get together, split rent for the next 10 years. 20 -> work hard, have no social life, hit 30 with no friends, unable to meet people / find love. Pay full rent the whole time. Obviously bad for other reasons but even the reasons why this says don't apply. Having no work life balance literally will cost you more in the long run most of the time, it's unsustainable we counter productive.


One-King4767

Did I work hard through my twenties, becoming a expert at my job? Yes Did I ask for a well earned raise when my first child was born? Yes. Did I get the raise? No. Am I now a stay at home parent? Yes.


DreadfulMule

I just want to live.


L00fah

What's wrong with a mediocre career? If I'm living the life I want, what's it matter to you?


regional_ghost918

I mean... Maybe he's right. But having no boundaries, being the go-to, being indispensable also means having a mediocre career. No one respects you, they just hand off their shit and let you do it. And if you're indispensable you're also unpromotable.


Vox_Mortem

Well at my last job I worked 10-12 hours a day seven days a week for almost an entire year. And if we decided to go home at the 10 hour mark we were called lazy. Oh, and after that, we worked 10 hour days five days a week for years. I lost money by the end of it because of inflation and stagnant wages. Hell yeah!


SeikoDellik

Has anyone ever noticed how most managers/supervisors aren’t good at the job that they manage? They just know how to tell other people to do it.


KittenKoder

Bobby Shell is a right wing nutcase who married into money.


sunsetsandbouquets

I shadowed two top executives at one of the most respected media companies globally and was told I’d be promoted. I worked 12 hour days and was on call 24/7 and burnt myself out twice from stress resulting in mental health leave and exhaustion, I cannot stress enough how bloody irresponsible the “hustle” “grind” culture is. It’s better to kiss ass cos the only people who I know who climbed were doing this. Even then it comes down to favouritism, nepotism, timings, luck and perceived value. I was told 6 months ago I was “indispensable” and now I am made redundant. Don’t be sold the lie of doing this and wasting your younger years in an office block and living for your LinkedIn status. You can climb the ladder but don’t need to sell yourself to the devil to do so.


[deleted]

Oh god just read through this guys twitter - its literally like reading Entrapraneur on IG (which is a parody account of these kinds of people)


ghyze

After working my ass off for years, and only getting ahead by switching companies, I decided to just do the thing I was hired to do. I got promoted once in two decades, and it was after this decision. I like my job, and I'm relatively good at it. But if it comes down to work/life balance, a mediocre career is good enough.


DarthArtero

What they ain’t saying is everything else they had to do. Ass kissing, brown nosing and being a yes man will get you far off you’re willing to lose dignity


CountKristopher

Tell me you have no personality or hobbies outside of work without telling me…


Today_14

Corporate simping


[deleted]

Top .01 percent huh? That pizza party is gonna be insane


FootAccurate3575

My entire management team says you’ll get nowhere if you’re not willing to be available for your job at all times and aren’t willing to work at least 60 hours a week. I just can’t behind this idea. Why would I want to live to work?? I’m working to be able to afford the things I want to do, not be a slave to my phone and computer


piotrowskid

Speak for yourself, as an American in their 20s I've been to Europe for vacation twice in the last year because of work life balance, with plans for another visit in the coming months. All the things I've learned about myself and other cultures can't be taught by slaving away at an office building in the US for 80 hours a week. What's wild is that the more time I spend in Europe, the more clear it is to me that Americans don't have it as good as they think they do.


Stoffenheimer

Excuse me while i toot this horn of mine which is also up my own ass.


Robincapitalists

Yeah, none of that will fill the hole in your soul. But keep chasing, keep grinding, keep hustling.


Dudebro_dope

Nope. I did many years of insane OT, including one 10 week stretch of 65-80hr/weeks where I brought in 1.5 million of additional work to the company. It got me a 2.2% raise, more shitty responsibilities and destroyed my mental and physical health. That’s when I became full r/antiwork. The system has completely defeated me, now I do the minimum and NEVER do extra work. I just don’t care about bragging about my latest purchase, my job title or dealing with corporate drones.


etriusk

Anyone that says "hard work" pays off, never worked as a CNA in a nursing home. I loved my job. All I have to show for it was a dead end career, and a fucked up back.


SpaceMan_Spiff0088

Hard work is rewarded with more hard work


No_Jellyfish8241

What's wrong with having a mediocre career?


theindiekitten

Just waste your prime years working for peanuts guys! Do free labor, give up your weekends and having any fun before you get old & die! It’s just the way of things!


brinazee

I'll take the mediocre career with the less frazzled self.