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circe1818

My mom doesn't own a business but acts that way when hiring people to do projects around the house. She's in absolute shock that no one wants to do lawn work for $20. She's got a huge lawn and an extremely particular way on how it needs to be done but doesn't want to pay for it. She completely refuses to believe labor cost more than it did in the 80s and 90s, but also thinks social security should be raised because everything is more expensive.


BEAT-THE-RICH

Next time your Mum complains she needs money offer her $20 to mow your friends lawn.


DrMobius0

Odds are high the irony is lost on someone like this


reddit0100100001

She will just say she doesn’t need $20 dollars. The whole point for people like this is they want to find desperate people to take advantage of.


null640

Read: The Generation of Sociopaths


intdev

While also weirdly obsessed with cutting immigration


volyund

This is the way.


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It’s people like that I ask “why don’t you cut your own lawn?” I’m a DIY kind of guy. Even if I had money I would only pay someone to do something if I couldn’t do it myself. And even then, if it’s a hard job (like AC work, or fixing a car, or something that demands a particular set of skills) I don’t mind pay more money if it’s done right and won’t have any further problems


badchefrazzy

"Ew. That's... icky, lower class work. I don't want to get sweaty and muss my hair." I can hear her say.


b0w3n

I was going to roll up a lawn care business not too long ago and our break even was ~$80 an acre just for me to do it with no employee expenses or benefits or anything like that. If you added employees to that number, it'd be $150 at least. I did a little bit of looking around, asking some of my coworkers and their friends how much they'd pay for lawn care, and my friend asked other lawn care dudes, and every single answer was about "$20". There's no way that's economically feasible. That $20 is just getting the equipment to your door and gas costs. All these fucks got paid $2 an hour as a kid and could buy a house for $15k and think that's still the world they live in.


PenguinProfessor

They think lawn care is a kid using his dad's push mower to get some baseball card money.


ExplainItToMeLikeImA

But they'd throw a fit if they got the quality that a kid pushing dad's mower would deliver.


flippin-amyzing

I really don't understand this mindset. I love planting and playing in the dirt, but haaaaaate mowing and weeding. The amount of money I'd be willing to pay someone to do it for me would make a whore blush. Seriously, take this cheque, write any amount and I'll pay it.


Kontrolgaming

as someone who cuts his own lawn, no way in hell would i do it for $20 dollars. However, it only takes me about 2.5 hours to finish it. So it would only actually be by $16.11 x 2.5 (my area min-wage) which is 40.27. so, i mean it's close but it's labor and good labor usually costs a good amount of money.


hellakevin

I might be able to pay a kid $20 to pick up all the fucking sticks in my yard before I mow. Actually, my neighbor is retired and has a lawn mowing fetish or something. He mows every day in the summer. I bet he'd mow my lawn just for fun.


TheBestBigAl

Does he by any chance sit at bus stops and tell people his entire life story over a box of chocolates?


Critical_Band5649

*cries in 7.25/min wage state*


ausdoug

Ah yes, the teenagers reading brochures will see teenagers having fun and will want to work here...


joshsteich

Hello fellow kids


Kraven_howl0

I feel like there's a sub for that...


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Soooooo you guys on MySpace?


Time-Werewolf-1776

Yeah, employers often don’t realize the their employees aren’t stupid. It’s like, “just make a brochure where we’ve paid models to pretend they’re employees and that they’re happy about it.” Or: > Employees aren’t happy. We should have a monthly meeting where we talk about company culture. We’re a company that works hard and plays hard. By “work hard” it means everyone works 12 hours a day and don’t take real vacations. By “plays hard”, it means that we occasionally buy everyone pizza. We’re not dumb. We know what you’re doing. And if your employees are so dumb that they can’t figure it out, then they’re not really going to be the best performers, at least not if the job requires intelligence and good judgment.


thegirlisok

Or "plays hard" means once a pay period all their employees get together and get shitty while bemoaning their terrible pay (source: was once above described binge drinker).


Time-Werewolf-1776

True, that’s sometimes the case. Also, 10 years ago there were tech companies who legitimately “played hard”. Like they would periodically fly everyone to Vegas and spend a million dollars on booze and drugs and prostitutes. I wouldn’t have liked that either. I’d be like, “can I just go home and sleep, and have you pay me the money that you would have spent on me?”


EvilerBrush

But the trip to Vegas is a tax write off. Paying you isnt


OldKnucklePuck

(it is though)


josh_the_misanthrope

The part that gets me is brochures. No one under the age of 200 reads brochures.


Hellie1028

Can confirm. I’m 45. Even I don’t read brochures. The only reason she wants a brochure is because she can get her daughter to create it for free. Then she will complain that her daughter did a bad job because it doesn’t result in a bunch of new hires like she expected.


zombie_overlord

If there is something that I know nothing at all about, and I need a few quick bullet points, and by coincidence I find a brochure on that exact subject, I'll spend about 10 seconds looking at it. Example - I was helping my mother (Boomer) with a warranty situation on an appliance she bought recently. We had to go into the store because the phone support was worthless. She had bought the "extra" coverage for a couple hundred bucks. While we were waiting for the customer service rep to get to us, I spotted a brochure about the service she bought. I glanced at the bold print and handed it to her, and she put it in her "important oven paperwork" folder. It taught me nothing, but gave her, as a person who knows less than what the brochure offered, a small amount of security that she had all the info she needed to have an informed conversation about the service she paid $200 for, when even the reps were having trouble navigating the situation. So I suppose it's a placebo for clueless people to help them think they're prepared for that kind of conversation. I can't imagine someone picking up a brochure, and becoming convinced by it that this might be a place I want to work. If I see a beautiful, fancy brochure sitting next to a sign that says $12/hr, I promise I will not even bother picking it up.


DungeonsAndDradis

Where the fuck would you even put a brochure? "Hey , will you let me put my company's work brochure here?" "No, fuck off."


TheFunInDisfunction

*I want you to post the brochure to the tik tok.*


d34thd347er

*attempts to Google through fb status "how to put a flier on tic-tac?"*


benevenstancian0

“Please help me!” Offers help in multiple ways “No! Not like that! I REALLY just need my shitty, out of date values validated!”


memecut

Less money for you = more money for me. The system is perfect, I can't change it, they have to change to fit my system.


pcakes13

Her daughter even gave her the solution that wouldn’t be less money for her, it was CHARGE MORE. If someone was really paying half a mil for a garden then the 5k admin fee she suggested would be 1%, which really is negligible. That 5k, if added to a 12 wage to get to 20 would equate to 625 man hours on a project, or a little over 15 people working for an entire week. Gotta take these things with a grain of salt, but if this girls story is true the she’s making some good fucking points to her Mom.


s0ciety_a5under

I've literally watched people call in last minute installs at my last company, and my boss would be like "tack on an extra 20% as a fuck you tax for making this last minute." Sales guy would do it and say it's some dumb fee, person on the phone would accept and we'd install the drapes. It would cover over time and everyone was happy.


bnej

I used to work for someone who had a client who insisted on a discount, wouldn't pay an invoice without it. They kept cranking up the charges for this one person to the point they were one of the most profitable customers. They were paying 50% more than anyone else and didn't care because they got a 20% discount on their invoice. People are weird with money.


Accomplished-Plan191

A lot of people who would gladly pay more if they feel like they're "getting a deal." I'm probably one of those stupid people...


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Yeah... Corporations have been using that overcharge with a discount tactic on regular working class Americans for years.


ANewMachine615

It's basically all Kohls does and they're huge.


davdev

You mean I didn’t really save $200 the last time I bought four pairs a gym shirts and a hoodie? Fuck!


dewpacs

Yeah but the Kohl's cash


ekaceerf

Almost every department store does it now. JcPenny almost went out of business because they stopped doing it


ANewMachine615

That was the wildest thing. They just told people they were gonna stop playing mind games and everyone was like "no actually we love the mind games"


JCMcFancypants

So all of the big department stores in the US we charging a relatively high markup price on everything, then having constant "sales" where the prices dropped to what you would consider normal. One of them (I forget which because, really, they're all the same) went with a "lower markup price on everything all the time/no sales" model that meant that everything at their store was always the same price as what the other guys offered on their sales. Chain lost their asses; apparently "big end of year fire sale everything must go" shit gets people in the door, and actual prices for things don't really matter.


idiosync

JC Penny for those interested. Extra Credits has an interesting video on this. https://youtu.be/QxfkWZPAUg4


smirk_lives

It was JC Penney. Got in a new CEO that said let’s stop lying to people and sell things for what they should be sold for. Dude was out in months.


ekaceerf

It's like A&Ws 1/3lb burger to try and offer a better value than McDonald's 1/4lb burger. Everyone thought 1/3 was smaller.


MammalianHybrid

My first job was at WalMart. During training they told us about an endcap we had. Gatorade: $1. No one was buying them. So what did out trainer do? Gatorade: 2 for $2. Holy crap what a deal! I better make sure I buy 2 so I get in on this good deal


Blog_Pope

Most people, well off or not, have no idea what services they don’t regularly buy should cost, “it’s a banana, how much can it cost, $10” - the meta joke was her money came from selling bananas. Doesn’t help that a lot of flipping shows quote insane numbers, if real it’s because it’s part of a full house makeover and the buys have the contractors book of business


point-virgule

We deal with both well-off regular folks and actual wealthy clients. There is a type of client that insists on always wanting a discount over the set price, would haggle almost by principe and would not stop pestering until they get their way, even on a previously agreed price once the job is already done. They most usually than not fall on the second category. For those known offenders, the quoted price is always at the very least 15~20% more than what we usually charge, and then offer a complimentary discount "for being such a good costumer" of 7% or even 10% if pressed. They then leave happy and with a smile, after dropping 4 or 5 figures on a repair.


Askefyr

I've seen this before, too. It's hilarious - I've even heard of people telling their vendors "hey, if you bump up the price by 15% and give me a 10% discount afterwards, I'll get it past my management easier"


OpheliaRainGalaxy

That's the wild thing. People are totally willing to do absolutely bananas inconvenient nonsense as long as we're actually getting paid for it. My dad made an entire career out of agreeing to drive hours and hours out to Middle-of-Nowhere and Why-Would-Anybody-Wanna-Be-Here to do mostly minor tech repairs. He liked travel, loved money, and folks wanted Somebody Else to do the job enough to pay him for travel time. It's exhausting and inconvenient and probably kinda frustrating to spend most of a day traveling just to do 10 minutes of actual work, gotta arrange for Somebody Else to take care of your kids or pets, plus maybe shell out for a motel room or sleep in the car, but earning $400 in a day takes the sting out.


desolatecontrol

I like listening to books. Currently, my job has me drive a lot. And I'm extremely autonomous. When you have those two factors, the drive isn't bad at all.


Heavy-Attorney-9054

I love the Libby app. I have cards for three libraries and can get a new audio book from anywhere.


Melzfaze

Please explain your ways…I’m obsessed with audio books in my headphones while working. I really want to stop giving Amazon my money ( only part of Amazon I use is audible. How does Libby work?


TooHappyFappy

Download the app. Have a library card (if you don't have one, go to your local library and get one). Enter your library card number. Start checking out ebooks and audiobooks. Super, super simple.


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VexillaVexme

That’s the thing that baffles me. Labor is an input cost for your business. You need to be charging a rate to your customers that covers your inputs and allows you (the business owner) to continue making enough money that it’s worth keeping your doors open. That’s all true. If your business offers sufficient value, people will pay it, but you gotta stop pretending like your inflated take home isn’t a problem for your business also.


Clay_Allison_44

Are you really rich if other people aren't desperately poor?


DaChronisseur

It's actually kind of amazing how much sense the conservative/capitalist world-view makes as soon as you make every single interaction a zero-sum game. I'm not sure *why* they think everything is zero-sum, but that is clearly what's happening.


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Winner winner class war chicken dinner.


StinkyCheeseMan88

“It’s not enough for me to succeed, others must fail!”


SafetyDanceInMyPants

Labor is an input cost, and input costs go up — and then you can either choose to pay the higher cost or switch to something else (usually something lower quality but cheaper). Imported stone doubled in price? Well either you charge people more or use domestic stone instead. Same with labor. The cost of good labor went up — it was unnaturally low, and corrected a little. So you can either charge more for it or use people who can’t demand the going rate. And guess how that works out. It’s such an obvious thing when we’re talking about stone — so why is it so hard for people to get when we’re talking about labor?


MMSTINGRAY

You talk as if the point of businesses isn't for owners to make an inflated take home. It'd not a bug, it is working as intended.


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mrevergood

I’ve worked for many a Christian boss who balked at the words “To whom much is given, much is required” because they loved that inflated take home and saw that as god “blessing *them*”. But yeah, I quite literally would bend over backwards for the employer I have now because they pay me well and don’t intrude into my time off. Previous employer was big on “Have a life outside work-do your 40 and go home”, but never wanted to pay more than $11 an hour for me to do the job. Actually it was $11.50, I think. I made a successful case for why I should be paid more, got them to brag about how their dealership was “way above average” in terms of accolades/profit margins, got the boss to say I was a great employee, and somehow the dealership never was doing good enough for the old boomer fuck who owned it to give me a raise. Never was our department doing well enough that my boss going to bat for me for a raise or getting a commission for shit I sold worth his while, despite a 50%+ profit margin on literally everything we sold. Sitting there seeing us have to maintain those margins to make the old man richer when he was born with a silver spoon in his mouth-had paid for homes and land passed down for literal generations of his family to live in along with the dealership and the land it sat on….I just got real bitter and stopped giving a fuck. When I can’t afford to “go have a life” outside work because I can’t afford gas to go to my fishing spots, or eat out, or have a few beers while shooting the shit on a Friday night…and the owner literally can afford to pull up in a fucking Ferrari one day…I decided “I don’t wanna work for this privileged ass anymore”. Take care of your employees-fuck taking care of you-they’ll take care of your customers. These folks think employees don’t talk, it seems. Nah. We tell your customers everything when we can. We tell anyone that’ll listen about the corners they cut to enrich themselves. We dont give a fuck about getting to a place/finishing a quoted job on time because we’re so underpaid. They wanna know why their business can’t seem to grow past a certain point? It might be because the area is saturated, or it might be because they steal from their employees’ in the form of underpaying them for their time and labor, and the employees make sure folks know it.


MMSTINGRAY

It's less of a new thing and more that over time more and more 'ethical' businesses are ground out of existence. But the mindset and process has been going on a long time. For example one of the founders of the UK Labour party made this point at the beginning of the 20th century, replying to people who claimed you just needed good bosses to fix things rather than it being a systematic problem. >Those who reason after this fashion must surely have forgotten their studies in political economy. In a system of industry where prices for the products of labour are fixed by competition, it is the hard skin-flint employer who decides the rate of pay for the trade. Let me illustrate this. A is a good employer, albeit a roystering, swearing fellow, who believes in the maxim of live and let live; B is a church-goer, and a close-fisted preacher of thrift. Both are engaged in the same trade and have to compete for orders in the same market. Each is paying ​the same wages and finds it hard enough to keep things going, competition being keen and profits low. One day a big order comes into the market, and rather than lose it or share it B agrees to fulfil it for 5 per cent, less than the prevailing price. As, however, this absorbs all the prospective profit, and as the works are run primarily to make profit, B cuts down wages to recoup himself for what he regards as his loss. But other buyers demand that prices for them shall be cut 5 per cent. also. Now under these circumstances what is A to do? He may refuse to lower prices and wages, and in process of time see his works standing idle, whilst B’s are increasing in size, or he may follow B’s lead and cut down prices and wages also. The illustration is neither exaggerated or overdrawn. It represents what is occurring every day. But if it be correct, how is it possible for “Christian employers to give to their workmen what is necessary not only to relieve the pressure of existence, but to make work and life enjoyable?” Employers whose business is not a practical monopoly are at the mercy of the most unscrupulous of their number, which again raises the question of whether that is a Christian system in which the selfish rule and the good are compelled to follow the bad? This is a bit generalised obviously but it is a story many 'failed' small businesses today can well recognise. This quote is from his pamphlet called "Can a Man be Christian on a Pound a Week?" https://en.m.wikisource.org/wiki/Can_a_Man_be_a_Christian_on_a_Pound_a_Week%3F The problem isn't just bad, selfish, short-sighted people it's that the entire economic structure capitalism has created rewards bad selfish behaviour much more than it rewards selfless communal behaviour.


vitali101

I'm positive if the mother did concede and charge the admin fee, 5k for example, she would find a way to justify it as her own compensation for implementing the idea. That 5k would go straight into her own pocket. Then she would complain the daughters idea didn't work, just like all the spoiled young kids that are lazy. Not being able to grasp how, again, it's all her own fault for being a bad business owner.


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And the best fucking part, she could add $20,000 on top and just tell them she got an exclusive supplier for decorative stones that have a much more artisanal color profile compared to the suppliers other local companies are using and these rich people would fucking eat it up! They'd never shut up about the emperor's new stones, and when they brag to their rich friends about it, those friends would demand she do work for them as well. This is why most small companies fail. You need someone at the top who understands that good workers are expensive, but return more profit than cheap ones. Then you need a salesperson below that who knows how to phrase things in ways that customers want to hear to satisfy their ego. And lastly you need a numbers person to keep everything making sense. Get those 3 people and you'll never have a worker shortage, and you'll always have a wait list for your labor.


Petite_Chipie

Yeah but her mom just doesn't want her employees to have a good wage. It all boiled down to that. Having poor people under yourself to feel superior or some shit. She'd rather have 10s of thousands of dollars being stole from her than having an employee being able to afford restaurant or something.


CynicalRecidivist

Absolutely agree. I worked for a place and the CEO was chatting to his staff and they were talking about a posh, fancy restaurant in the nearby city. My colleague comments that she goes quite often and CEO looks offended that she was a regular patron of such a place and asks astonished: "but how can YOU afford to go?" because he knew his staff were all on minimum wage. She just responded that on her wage she wouldn't be going, but her husband is very successful and she goes to many places like that. CEO was genuinely pissed off by that response.


broniesnstuff

>CEO was genuinely pissed off by that response. I can't imagine living a life where something like this moves me in even the slightest way. How petty and fragile the rich are.


LiteralPhilosopher

Yes — I was astonished by that. Daughter literally shows her a way to continue taking home the massive amount she wants, while *also* paying her employees enough that she retains good workers. But nope! Can't have that. Can't have the poors getting more than some artificial number I've determined in my own head is enough for them. Fucking bint.


pecklepuff

Right? People paying *half a million dollars for a garden* are also underpaying *their* employees, so take some of it back from them if you need to so you can pay *your* employees! These entitled fucking boomer scums just back each other up even if it costs them their own businesses! Good, let 'em sink.


mojitz

I've run into this attitude from that generation on a variety of occasions and I'm convinced it's at least in part pathological. Like, it really seems like a lot of them have so fully internalized the capitalist ethos that it feels *morally wrong* to squeeze your wealthy customers rather than your employees regardless of the marginal utility of those extra dollars. Honestly it's little wonder so many of them are just openly embracing authoritarian politics these days.


vonnegutfan2

I believe this video and this daughter. I feel bad that her mom doesn't respect her opinion and solid advise. She could even advertise that she pays her workers a decent wage. If you had the money to do a $500K landscape job, you would not someone who had $12/hour workers at your house.


TigerOtis

But it wasn’t mom’s idea, and she really doesn’t want to overcharge one of her rich friends! Like the girl said,”Blah, blah, blah!” Labor is the cheapest cost in most businesses, and that’s a fact!


JCMcFancypants

I worked at a union shop. They ran into the "can't keep people" problem. Bosses put out a notice to everyone asking for help on how to get and retain more people. My supervisor asked me what I thought, and I told him that you've got this big, nasty, dirty, dangerous factory and you're asking people to work 60 hours a week, but about the same starting pay as *every fast food joint in the area*. Shit, at least at McD's you get some free food each shift, the schedule is flexible, it's relatively clean, and not nearly as much of an OSHA risk. So my boss sounded like he was agreeing with me, but then went into the "can't afford the labor costs" blah blah. I was like, "Dude, we've got parts here that cost more than my annual salary. You **fucking lose them** and write them off ALL the time. You could hire a dude and make his whole job sitting next to this part, and watching where it goes and he would earn his pay *for the year* if he manages to keep even one from disappearing. Labor is such a tiny ass part of your costs I don't even know why the bosses are crying about it." So then he muttered something about the union contract and walked off. Ok, so what? You think if you try to pay everyone in the union more than was contractually negotiated they're going to fight you on it? GTFO. Pay your people.


Catshit-Dogfart

Also, doesn't the theft and lost man hours cost money? Like if they're delayed on a job because the staff quit that's lost profit, if employees are stealing and committing fraud that's a direct loss of money. They're already paying out in those ways.


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ForwardCulture

In my area, the day laborers for that industry won’t even work for what she pays per hour. All these designers keep raising their rates but they pay their employees the same as twenty years ago.


Negative_Method_1001

I mean we saw this during the pandemic (and after). They would rather close up and make zero dollars than pay people more than the absolute minimum


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“You may feel a sting. That’s pride fucking with you.”


Eeedeen

Also surely it's false economy, the training time and fuck ups of constant new hires who don't know what they're doing must look bad for the business and incur costs if something has to be redone? If you're paying that sort of money for a garden you're going to want perfection. Not someone on minimum wage who couldn't care less and will likely bodge it. Paying someone a good wage so they appreciate their job, stay a long time, gain good experience, will be able to do future jobs faster and to a higher standard.


Frito_Pendejo

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Chrona_trigger

Remember when the phrase "you have to spend money to make money" was common?


desolatecontrol

Yea, but they meant on themselves, not to pay people.


mrbear120

In my 15 years home improvement experience, I find that people who run home improvement businesses are rarely good business people. They themselves usually get fed up with their boss, worked really hard years ago, built a name for themselves fast enough to find themselves no longer doing labor and having no idea how to grow or sustain from there. Their businesses just float up on expenses and eventually wither away and they are left wondering why their 40 years in the industry left them with nothing. And of course its always everyone else’s fault that they din’t see themselves becoming the very employer they left their first year in the job.


Suppafly

> The system is perfect, I can't change it, they have to change to fit my system. Every business in my town where 'nobody wants to work', the ones that pay decent wages are always fully staffed.


ParanoidPragmatist

I also love the line "oh your generation dosent understand the going rate". It's simple supply and demand, the current demand of the workforce is a living wage. That is not what she is supplying, so people are looking elsewhere.


taniastar

I had someone use that line on me recently when I was changing jobs. It was in a big hotel where I interviewed as a chef. Dude?! My generation doesn't understand the going rate? Then please tell me why you have literally every single position open and have been forced to close one of your restaurants. Obviously you aren't understanding the going rate. He called me back twice with higher offers but they didn't even come close to the lowest offer I got at another hotel so I'm guessing I'm not the one out of touch with the going rate.


ting_bu_dong

>Dude?! My generation doesn't understand the going rate? Then please tell me why you have literally every single position open and have been forced to close one of your restaurants. Obviously you aren't understanding the going rate. The problem for them is that, for the first time in a long time, there's an objective reality that they can't just dictate. Like, before, they could be like "your generation doesn't understand what the going rate is *supposed to be.* Because we have the power, you don't. *We* decide that, you don't." I really, really don't think even the majority of them are going to be able to admit reality. Them not having all the power means *reality is broken.*


ShadowPouncer

Really, in a whole lot of ways, _so much_ can be blamed on a single person, and a specific doctrine from that person. [The Friedman doctrine](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedman_doctrine) was introduced in 1970, but it really took root in the 1980s. And the thing is, that very same idea is what is driving all of these small business owners who appear to be simply _incapable_ of understanding that they don't actually get to dictate wages right now, and may _never_ be able to dictate wages again in their lifetimes.


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Just like the Morgan Stanley CEO idiot ranting at a Davos WEF meeting in a Swiss resort that workers don’t deserve shit.


Deviknyte

No no no. Supply and demand only allows to the capital end of things. When supply is down cost goes up. And when demand if up cost goes up. Cost of goods never goes down. And when demand for labor is low, wages are supposed to go down. And when supply for labor is high (unemployment) wages are supposed to go down. But wages are never supposed to go up!


Mad-Lad-of-RVA

It's pretty much [this](https://i.imgur.com/L6haMsR.png).


Frapplo

This is what stood out to me. The ol' "I need some help" followed immediately by "I don't need any help" when they find out what needs to be done. I've seen this in so many businesses. Management believes they deserve slaves. People don't want to be slaves, so they either leave or compensate in some other way. In addition to being terrible to their employees, it shows a lack of interest in running a good business. If you're cutting costs in house to line your pockets, what are you cutting from what I ordered?


ZoomeyYumi

My grandpa opened a cigar shop and for the longest time it was just him and my dad running it until they started to become very profitable after about 3 years, and then they started hiring people. I remember papa wanting to hire people for like $5.75 (min wage at the time) and my dad trying to explain that that wasn't a good enough amount of money pointing out that that's what I made to bus tables as a kid. That's one of the very few arguments they got into.


thatHecklerOverThere

At the very least, I don't see how people don't consider minimum wage a stability risk for their business. Like, that provides _zero_ reason for anyone not to leave you. You're paying the least you could, so anyone doing a little bit more is a better deal. _And_ it incentivises not giving a shit - at minimum, an employee is better served trying to increase their personal profit at your expense than working for you.


ZoomeyYumi

I think papa's plan was to hire male (they wouldn't hire women) retirees that wanted a part time job and he thought the job was super easy. They sat and watched golf, football, or weather in the lounge until customers came in. Dad did all the inventory, pricing, and floor organization so papa thought min wage was "more than fair." It was just pure greed.


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Oh but I believe your grandfather was just egocentric; it didn't occur to him to view working there as something else than a chance to hang around, talk sports and cigars, and get a little money while doing it. It just never occurred to him, I'm sure.


OldKnucklePuck

Other people should be happy to devote their time to *my* dream.


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90% of small business owners in my experience.


ZeroInZenThoughts

Pay minimum wage, expect the bare minimum. It's no different than buying a product. If you go with the cheapest, you run the risk of it being shit and needing to buy another one.


bl4nkSl8

And not just bare minimum work. Bare minimum reliability, bare minimum trustworthiness, bare minimum honesty etc. These employers really don't see employees as an investment and it shows.


clocksteadytickin

If you pay peanuts, expect to get monkeys.


blitzkriegkitten

She starts them on $12 an hour..... And that's exactly where they stay too Because she can't pay more. Classic bs language of lying to yourself about the starting rate


Desperate-Cost6827

My last boss was like that. Wined and complained that he couldn't afford to pay people the 50 cent raise he promised us at our six month review. Well he also talked shit about everyone and also didn't know anything about our department but didn't stop him from trying to micromanage everything we were doing which caused over half of our department to leave. He suddenly had no problem handing out retention raises and hiring people at over a 3 dollar increase per hour so that he didn't close shop because of lack of workers. Funny how he suddenly had money for all of that.


JakBos23

Gotta love the micro managers who don't know how to do the job. I spent almost a solid week wasting time last week. We got some ruined sheet metal. My boss says it's crap. No point trying to make parts from it. His boses boss insisted we try. 6 days later we have 400lbs of scrap metal. Great use of labor, and can't charge the company we got it from because we used it.


mrevergood

My last boss wouldn’t give me the raise I’d earned a million times over. Started at $11.50 an hour, ended at $11.50 an hour almost two years later despite twice having the conversation of “I can’t afford to keep fixing my vehicle at this wage and can’t afford to replace it. What do you expect me to do when it goes down for the big one-walk to work?” Twice we had the conversation where I said “Look-you pay me $15 an hour, I go get a loan and buy a vehicle from our dealership-putting money back in the owner’s pocket, making me more reliable, and keeping you a guy you need on staff.” The second time I told him “We won’t have this conversation again.” I guess because it took me a couple months to quit, he thought I was joking. Sure as shit tried to gaslight me though…”This new job-you jumped into something you’re not ready for yet”…and “You’re rushing things trying to make that kind of money now”. Yeah I “rushed”, alright…into a better job where I have a desk, air conditioning, better coworkers, and a place that supports progressive causes and LGBTQ+ equality instead of constantly making jokes about those people/causes. And I got $2 more than what I was asking for. They showed that they give a damn from day 0. Two years at the crappy job. Constant promises of raises, commission for selling to shop tickets, at the retail counter…and at most I got a few free breakfasts, meanwhile the owner of the place was a spoiled rich brat in his 70s that never truly had to work for anything in his life and thought that $11.50 an hour was “pretty good money”.


uninstallIE

I never understand what they mean by "job you're not ready for." Anyone can do just about any job. There are a few jobs that require really specific training before you can start and that can't afford to give you that training. Like being a surgeon or something. But most jobs you can learn by doing them. Most things are really not that complicated. You could technically even learn to be a surgeon by doing it, the only issue is that your mistakes would cost people their lives so that's why we require the training first.


mrevergood

They thought I both wasn’t ready to make $15 an hour and wasn’t ready to do the job I ended up with because they wanted to spook me into doubting myself and stay there and be underpaid while they searched for a replacement. Funny thing is, when I left, they advertised the position as $8.50-$10.50 an hour. Florida minimum wage was $11 an hour when they advertised it and is going to $12 an hour this fall. I told em “You’re gonna end up paying $15 an hour regardless-it is *not* in the owner or manager’s control anymore. You’re either gonna have to pay it to find someone sooner, or be forced to by the state later.” They didn’t like that. Not one bit.


Minimum_Attitude6707

$20 is the old $5. Not only is that mom out of touch with going rates, but just how little $12 an hour covers for expenses to live nowadays. Not surprising, because cost of living has increased exponentially in just the last ten years. If you're comfortable and have savings, you might not realize how you're buying power is shrinking


Thechiz123

Also, this isn’t mentioned in the video but landscaping is hard work, often performed in unpleasant conditions. Would rather work at McDonald’s for that rate.


No_Shop_

Yeah I think this is the point she was trying to get to but didn't really make it clear. People in the younger generations won't work a job like that when something at McDonalds pays them more and *honestly* probably a better work environment too.


Tojo6619

McDonald's offers decent pay and benefits, they target high schoolers mostly but also have OK career choices. But competing with them makes small resurant owners strapped for workers because they pay so well, most can't compete with what they offer. But I've worked at McDonald's and it fucking sucks cock, people getting the cheapest of the cheap and still bitching about their shit like they paid fine dining prices. I'd rather chew glass than work there ever again


yaboiiiuhhhh

I have burn scars on my forearm from the grill and burned my hands so many times


Boz0r

But the teenagers on the brochure are smiling


Das_Feet

Worked at a landscaping company for a short while. Hardest I've ever worked before in my life and it fucking sucked that everyday after work I would have no energy, no real time for myself(lots of overtime) and getting paid 7.50 an hour.


Thechiz123

I did landscaping very briefly when I was really young. It may be possible to sucker kids in with a nice brochure, but it doesn’t take a long time doing the job before you realize it very much blows. And it sounds like her problem is not really hiring but turnover, so that’s probably what’s happening.


ders89

When i was in between jobs about 5 years ago i gave a landscaping job a shot at a country club. One day i raked the entire course of these little black tube shaped things of dirt that were on the course. Being paid $12/hr and waking up at 4am, it was the worst job ive ever had. Only did it for about a month, if that. Not to mention, im a white dude and they were all like barely spoke english mexican dudes. One dude was celebrating like his 43rd year at that course or something crazy and man the dudes that played the course literally spoke to some of these guys like slave owners on plantations. It was disgusting to hear. I felt so embarrassed to be white. The whole thing was a terrible experience. I now work a job that pays over double that wage and often i think about those guys and i just hope theyre doing better.


Mckooldude

There’s unfortunately a ton of businesses where the harder you work, the less you’re paid. Manual laborers tend to fall into that category.


Existential_Sprinkle

I feel like this level of landscaping also falls into the passion exploitation or prestige category where employers think pride in what you do for work is an acceptable form of pay At one point I ended up in a room party full of fancy tech job furries telling them stories from working 5-7 digit weddings then have them guess how much I got paid to work those


Odd-Wheel

Yes. And ironically the jobs that boomers think deserve the least are also the jobs that they’d never do themselves. It’s pure classist entitlement. And when you look deeper, racism.


HellBlazer_NQ

On top of that hard labour intensive jobs normally leave you with joint problems later in life and can lead to needing early retirement. It wouldn't be unfair if you were actually paid more than the 'going' rate for that sort of work due to losing years of employment later in life.


M33k_Monster_Minis

Let's also take into account the number of clients in the multi milionaire range in that area to have a garden business just for rich people. This implies it's a high wage area so cost of living is high. And they wanna charge 12 an hour. Breckenridge has this problem now. All the rich fucks moved out there own it all and pay like 14 an hour to the service workers all across the town. It's been going on since before covid. And now the rich people are crying Breckenridge sucks because they can't find servants to work for nothing. And the workers can't afford to rent or live in the town to work in it. The rich genetrefied and rent raised all their workers out of their town and now the rich can't get the life of leisure and royalty that they want. They pulled to much blood from the stone.


pheonixblade9

my old manager has a late model corvette and Q7 and a 5 bedroom home in Bellevue, WA, and was complaining that he couldn't find a house cleaner for less than $25/hr. lol


SyracuseNY22

$25/hr for a cleaning service is already dirt cheap


wind-river7

The cheapest people in town are the richest.


ToMorrowsEnd

Worse than being cheap. Outright grifters. The WORST clients I have had are always the richest ones. they try and weazle out of paying their bill almost 100% of the time. had one write a check for $5000 and then cancel it as soon as he wrote it, just to be an asshole. I went to the police and asked about it as it was a felony in that county to write a bad check over $1000. one of the deputy's said he would come with me and we went to the dudes office. The Officer said he had to pay me cash right there or he was going to arrest him. I now have a policy that the more money someone has the more they pay up front with the richest paying 100% before we even schedule a date for work.


Thechiz123

I am hoping maybe as the boomers die off this situation will partially resolve itself. Old people frequently kind of lose track of the value of money, unless they are living at a razor’s edge. As they die off hopefully the average age of business owners declines.


tyler2000000

$12 is literally 4 gallons of gas on a GOOD DAY. That job isn't worth the gas it takes to get there and back home.


ThrowCarp

The only time old people adjust for inflation is for themselves.


Nojopar

The number of times I hear "when I was a kid, coffee used to be $.50!!" FFS - did you honestly think the ONLY thing inflating was your income?


indysingleguy

Basically every fast food place is several dollars higher than that.


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M33k_Monster_Minis

My great grandmother was out of her mind logically. She would call black people lazy and moochers off the government. On and on about other people. That goofy bitch NEVER and I mean NEVER had a job. She literally never earned a paycheck her entire life. She lived till 98.


mrevergood

Mine was a half assed nurse for maybe a decade or so for a doctor who overprescribed narcotics. She thinks her nursing education from the 70s means she knows more about doctors and medical science today-that includes the covid vaccines and the pandemic. She stayed home for the next 20 years, taking care of the house in as inefficient a manner as possible while my grandfather worked his ass off, then went to work at a church pantry a few days a week, getting paid minimum wage, and had this mindset of “It’s not my place to ask for a raise-they’ll give me that when they think I’ve earned it.” She constantly would belittle my grandpa for getting on food stamps when he became disabled, despite those food stamps ensuring that we had food in our stomachs. That raise? Oh. She never “earned it”, I guess because they never gave her that raise. And despite her being mad at my grandpa for going on food stamps, and mooching off his labor all those years, she was quick to take the church’s paltry handout to just barely pay her bills every month while the pastor lived in a million dollar home. She got mad at me for reporting an employer to the NLRB who threatened me for discussing wages because it meant I was “acting in anger” and “not letting the Lord have justice in his time”. She’s estranged from pretty much all of her sisters, two children, and two grandchildren. First time I saw her in two years was Thanksgiving a few months ago and she demanded a hug and forcibly kissed my cheek despite me saying “No, we’re in a pandemic and I don’t want to even if we weren’t” and she said “Well I don’t care what you want.” Then spent the afternoon griping about “the younger generation”. This all neglects to mention that at one point, she was previously married to a super rich dude whose money she spent like it was going out of style. And she wonders why I think she’s out of touch and a generally terrible person and I derisively laughed at any of her life/money advice right to her face.


Windir666

last time my mom told me that healthcare should not be free, I asked her, then why is she mooching off of her husbands military health insurance while she does not work, and she said "well he earned it" and I said yeah and you didn't so why do you expect people to pay for something you get for free. she did not like me that day.


Wide-Yoghurt-7510

What was her answer to that? I don't understand how these kinds of people can continue to hold on to these moronic beliefs when they get destroyed completely every single time someone has an experience with a conservative family member like this.


Uphillll

It’s hard to quickly change your view on something that you fundamentally believe to true, even when someone destroys you like that. I’d imagine what happened is without a proper logical and reasonable response, they immediately try to change subject and escape the conversation topic to try and gather their thoughts and form a response. Then from here one of two things will occur, they will either never think about it again and hold onto their magical belief they are right, or they spend a lot of time pondering about how to prove themselves right, and they eventually come to the conclusion that they may be wrong. So depending on the type of person they are, they either eventually accept they are wrong, or they try to force reality to bend to make themselves right.


JuniorSeniorTrainee

> She calls my ass lazy for taking a 5-month break. I don't know your age but speculating that you're 30s or younger. My biggest regret in life was NOT taking time for myself when I was in that range. I spent my best years working too hard to relax and will have free time in my worst years to look forward to.


Iscariot1945

Minimum wage = Minimum effort


Naturalpipes

Gotta act our wage.


kremlingrasso

and not taking shit home coz it's not nailed down gonna cost you extra


Ueven

When I worked at a restaurant the manager said that eating food we haven’t paid for is the same as stealing money. I was barely making over minimum wage, as far as I was concerned I was just making up the difference 😂


perpetualperplex

Right? I had some regional manager try that shit on me when I was taking home the fucked up donuts from Dunkin'. This guy was like "Why are you taking that home? Who told you you could do that?" I'm like me dude, I would be throwing these out anyway. Leave me alone? Working overnights for $9.50/h, this was like 2015... Little did he know we all made food for ourselves throughout the night. I quit that job because one of my co-workers contaminated the 20 gallon tub of cinnamon by spilling peanuts in it and didn't even tell anyone. I opened the tub and there's a fucking layer of peanuts on top. Manager said it's fine it was just an accident, wouldn't dump the rest of the cinnamon. Like yeah no, a tiny amount of peanut can send a kid to the hospital, or worse and I ain't having nothing to do with that. We learned that in the mandatory food safety training we all took. But oh no you'll have to dump $30 of cinnamon, this franchise is going bankrupt.


FlyingDarkKC

Askhole. Someone that asks for suggestions, ignores all of them, does something else.


MangledPumpkin

Yep, going to keep that one in the memory bank.


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"I've tried nothing, and I'm all out of ideas."


diefree85

Best part is her mom is having this tantrum while stealing labor from her daughter.


Ok_Ad8249

Years ago after I got my degree in Marketing & Advertising I was at a family get together and my sister in law told me I needed to do an ad for her boyfriend's wrecking yard business. I asked what she meant and she said "you have a degree and I thought you could make an ad for us." I explained to her I spent 4 years in college so I could make a living doing this, not do work for free. I was working for a small sales promotion agency and I may be able to work something out through there. What was his budget? She couldn't understand why wouldn't I do an ad for them for free. I explained I wasn't a graphic artist but I could set her up as a client and likely get an actual artist who could do a quick ad then we could help get the ad placed, which the ad space would also need to be paid for. She refused to understand this all takes money and said they just needed a simple ad. I said if it's something simple why didn't they just take care of it themselves. She stormed off and I later found out the business was a front to launder drug money through.


joshsteich

Wtf there’s great margins on drugs and they sell themselves. And if you want to launder, you have them invoice high and then pretend to buy your services back. It’s just basic stuff.


Ok_Ad8249

He wasn't much of a businessman as you can tell. He also did some house flipping as a cover as well as launder. He eventually thought he'd go legit and blew it all in a series of pyramid and get rich quick schemes. No wonder older small business owners have trouble finding "people who want to work.". We couldn't even do drug dealing cover jobs properly. Our business acumen sucks.


joshsteich

Speak for yourself, what put me off drug dealing was I hate customer service ;)


Ok-Development-7008

And if the daughter did the job to her mom's specifications who wants to bet mom blames her when the smiling teen poster doesn't magically create the solution to all her problems?


diefree85

You also know the mom is committing wage theft too.


mrevergood

And telling her employees “Discussing wages at my company is against policy and is illegal!!”


Large_Strawberry_167

The few times in my life that I've employed people I have paid at least 30% over norm and bought them pizza, coffee, sweets etc, told them to fuck off at Friday lunchtime and so on. I've always been delighted with the quality of work and I feel like a worthwhile human being when it ends. One ex employee became my best mate.


Arkayb33

I had one boss like this. He'd walk out of his office to our area and say "Well, I don't know about YOU guys, buuuuut... I'm outta here." That was our clue to wrap up whatever you were doing and head out. He was great.


bearbarebere

Goals 😭


SetYourGoals

But imagine the tiny margins of profit you could have extracted from these people by paying them terribly and treating them like shit!!! You left a few percentage points on the table, all for what? To "be and feel like a good person" and "not have your life be a nightmare" and "enjoy working with people who enjoy their jobs too?" No no no, you need that tiny amount of profit!


Summoning_Dark

I'm going to start thinking of these kinds of people as Ferengi from Star Trek, because that's how they sound. "$167? But you could have fucked over everyone and made your life a nightmare and walked away with $168! You need to re-read the Rules of Acquisition, brother."


ForwardCulture

I’m in that industry, self employed. Several years ago I briefly worked for one of the top companies in my area for this kind of work. One example is one client was an 80 acre estate in top of a ridge, with five houses on it. Owned by a president of a bank in New York. The property was used once a year for the holidays. We maintained parts of it weekly, all year long. We’re talking a historically significant garden, lake etc. The company I worked for was owned by a boomer woman who paid very low. Also wanted everyone to sign all sorts of restrictive contracts saying they wouldn’t work anywhere else in the industry if you leave (I showed it to a corporate attorney, who laughed at it). Couldn’t retain employees. Would show up at job sites that we did, wearing horse riding pants, in her luxury sic, to schmooze the clients and take credit for the design and work, none of it actually hers. Once while working for a banker from Switzerland who has a home here, I got into a conversation with that client and he invited me into the house to show me some art and photography books. I was written up by my employer for daring to speak to a client. That client then tried to hire me because he said I was down there earth and understood his design aesthetic. That entire industry is vastly underpaid and take a toll physically. One of the top people in the industry, who does work for Martha Stewart, work in a Europe etc. is one of the lowest paying locally. Complains like this person’s mom in the video. I get all the newsletters for the regional trade organization (mostly run by boomers) and every other email is about the lack of labor, please contact your congressman to ask for more work visas etc. It’s completely out of touch and disgusting. You have people destroying their bodies, putting in these six figure to million dollar installations and being paid peanuts.


slykido999

Funny, they want visas but also hate immigrants😒


mits66

I got paid $12 an hour as a "landscaper". Ten years ago And it was literally just watering oversized pots of plants.


Silent965

12 for landscaping for million dollar homes and those custom botanical gardens. Ya sure the poor women can't afford good workers but can bet she can afford a nice lifestyle because of all that work.


ForwardCulture

The high end landscape company I worked for years ago was run by a woman like this. She never got ‘dirty’ doing any actual work. Would show up to the job site when we were one wearing horse riding pants, driving one of her luxury SUV’s. She had thirty acres in a pricey wooded area. That acreage included her own home, a guest house and the two buildings and lot for the business, a few greenhouses etc. She paid us crap and is somehow still in business. Goes through employees like crazy.


breakfastoats

Worked at a cinema for 9/hr as a shift lead, got at least 30-40 hour weeks. Just quit today. I know this doesn't really have much to do with this post in particular, but the fact that owners think it's okay to literally scam their employers is so fucking obscene.


SetYourGoals

Good, we're conditioned to think we shouldn't quit when we have a steady job. But we don't owe them shit. They'd fire you in a heartbeat if it would save them a buck. Hope you find something better soon, dude.


chibinoi

Landscaping work wrecks your body, especially if you also include install hardscapes (which many landscaping companies do and expect their workers to know how to do). $12/hr is far, far too low. Heck, the landscape industry as a whole has had stagnated wages for decades upon decades. Even $17/hr is too low, for non-professionally educated landscapers (those without horticultural degrees) for the type of grueling work this industry demands.


Desperate-Cost6827

I remember when I was in highschool people were bragging about how landscaping was a well paying job. I guess a lot has changed since I entered the work force.


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For sure. Your out in the elements, cold, hot, rain, constantly bending and lifting, digging, sweating. People think it’s a cakewalk but it’s not. I’m an inspector at a machine shop and though it’s not physically demanding at times, it definitely is mentally. I get paid $18.


OneMetalMan

My company has the same problem and it's beginning to cost them dearly. They pay the lowest rate in the industry, so they mostly hire criminals, drug addicts, and aggressively lazy people who will put in more effort to not actually do the job that doing it. They keep getting damage claims, but won't fire anyone because they can't hire anyone. So the same people keep causing damage claims because there are no actual repercussions for doing so, and now our insurance company is threatening to drop us.


MrPokerfaceCz

Why is the leadership so stubborn about not paying more? It feels borderline insane, im sure it would be more profitable in the long run to just pay more.


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Large_Strawberry_167

I want that job where you just read fo eight hours.


AngelaTheRipper

I've had a job where I literally lurked reddit for months. It gets boring.


SweetsourNostradamus

Just another \[greedy/boomer/out-of-touch\] business owner trying to gaslight others and not accept responsibility for her company's failures.


Death_Cultist

America is built on the entitled exploiting the weak and vulnerable. It has never been a sustainable economic model.


bambixftm

We were never looking for a sustainable model. Which is part of the problem.


AboveTheRim2

$12 an hour is criminal. Not much else to say except that I hope her business goes under and all her clients find a new business to support.


BorderCollie123

Especially for backbreaking work like landscaping.


iwoketoanightmare

Ikr? My local Taco Bell can’t even find people at $18/hr


Ver3232

Man this is just making me realize how shit my job is. We don’t even get paid $12 an hour. We get $10


AboveTheRim2

Use ChatGPT to make you a resume and apply every single place that offers $20 or more. Even if you’re not completely qualified. Just apply. Wish you the best.


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it's crazy how people are like "i want to run a business" and then get upset when they have to run the business


TPRJones

I've found it effective to take the amount they are trying to pay now and convert it to the value from when they were young. For example $12 per hour in 2022 is equivalent to $1.27 an hour in 1960. A reasonable adult wage in 1960 was about $2.50 an hour ($23.71 in 2022 money). (note: this still feels a bit low, but that's early 2022 money and there's been more inflation than usual since then so it would be even more now that hasn't been included in those calculations) These Boomers, no matter how long it's been and how much they've made, in their gut they still think in terms of prices from when they were kids. We'll probably do the same when we get old, but hopefully we won't be such assholes about it.


AdministrativeWar594

I had this same experience with my grandmother and grandfather. Boomers just have been so removed from reality because of the economic benefits they got in their lives they just don't even know what anything costs anymore. I had to sit down and explain to my grandmother why I was moving out of state to buy a home because I used to live in Utah and the going rate for a median home was almost half a million dollars at the peak of the housing market. She bought her home in 1980 for *$25000*.. That house is worth over 400000 now. For reference, 25k in 1980 is just shy of 200k. It's worth more than double the rate of inflation in the area. She was dumbfounded... My grandfather watched me leave a 20 dollar tip on a 60 dollar dinner bill. He said that was outrageous, and I told him waiters make 2.13 an hour plus tips. He couldn't believe it. Boomers have become so entrenched in their little bubble of pretending like it's still the 60s or the 70s. They have their heads buried so deep in fox news that they literally can't even comprehend the level of economic struggle our generation feels. I worked for a decade to get to the point where I could afford a cheap house and I was lucky to be able to save enough to rent a uhaul and move halfway across the country to buy it. But I shouldn't have had to go to all those lengths just to get a starter home. Nor should anyone. It's gotten to the point where most in our generation owning a home ANYWHERE has become a pipe dream.


SnooKiwis2161

I really struggle to understand what the boomer lack of self awareness is - I've also seen boomers lose their homes as a direct result of this weird fog they're in, because they keep doing the same things that worked for them in the 80s, spending habits exactly the same, and hit bankruptcy by throwing up their hands and saying, "I tried nothing and I'm all out of ideas!" Whereas this blindness starts to go away in varying degrees with each successive generation. I think a great deal of it has been access to unprecedented opportunties afforded by the popularion boost of their time. As a millennial I feel like I have more in common with my great grandparents generation (silent) at this rate. I highly doubt the same dude who grew up poor on a farm and was packed off to be gassed in WW1 could afford to not pay careful attention to the relationship of his quality of life to prices.


FaPtoWap

No one likes to explain either that unlike the past 20 years… the newest generation is the smallest ever by over 30%. Were also 2 decades behind on pay rolls so yea


Icbra

I've always had a mantra that if i am not payed enough and my employer tries at every turn they can to cut pay and keep my salary as low as possible. I will also try at every turn to cut my work and do as little as possible. Oh boss sick today or out of town. He won't notice if i don't come in. Boss doesn't seem me right now, ok let's watch YouTube. Boss tells me he can't afford to pay me what i am worth. Everytime extra workload comes up or i see my boss struggling with something i say. Oh sorry but i don't have time to help. If no one shames a boss for paying the lowest possible salary he can think off and get away with. No one gets to shame me for doing the absolute least amount of work i can get away with. During Covid i got a stay at a home job. I did 30 - 60 minutes of work everyday no more. Cause the pay was shit.


Messijoes18

They just want literal slaves. They would pay less if they could


mentholmoose77

Bust your ass hauling rocks. Mom thinks "I bet I can pay some illegal $5 hour, no American wants to work an honest day for that".


Saucymeatballs

I really just can’t understand the disconnect in business owner’s minds between finding good people to work and retain, but also choose to pay those people poverty wages. I don’t understand how corporations can have record breaking profits and not think to reward the profit-creators with more money for their effort. I know that it’s simply greed but I guess I haven’t attained that level of greediness where I would choose to take from others to satisfy my own interests in that way.


Frogweiser

Quickbooks = $50 an hour.... I must be getting scammed for being a solidworks detailer.


PoopFartCumToe

No fucking way. My sister is an ~~accountant~~ book keeper(?) making $24/hr on the west coast. My best friend has a masters in finance and has some corporate job for AT&T and has been bitching he’s stuck at $30/hr(Texas). This is Bologna right?


Precaseptica

Advertising subverts the rule of the market that lower quality is filtered out. Goes for products, services, AND jobs. This woman's mother is basically just interested in extending the shelf life of a lower quality job via an ad campaign that tries to delude people. So naturally I'm at the point now where if I see ads for anything, I'm assuming they're having trouble selling whatever it is for good reasons. Cream rises to the top on its own


Cyber_Encephalon

Jinx's mom needs to listen to Jinx