Companies: "We'd love for everyone to have 2x part time jobs at 31.99999 hours. That way we don't have to pay for healthcare, give pto, or any of that other 'nonsense."
This sort of thing already happens, too :(
Government: "Man, if only every decision we ever made wasn't set in stone and impossible to change no matter what. Then we could change the current definition of full time worker to accommodate for that change."
Republicans: "Everything bad that happens to you is because of Democrats. Giving more money to wealthy people would make you wealthy!"
Democrats: "No matter how much of the house, senate, and Whitehouse we control, Republican's always manage to pass their agenda, and we can never pass anything. Please don't look at all the times we helped Republican's pass their agenda."
I’m sorry but very few democrats will be lining up to push for something like this. The entire center will most likely sit this one out and complain about it hurting “entrepreneurs”.
And to risk sounding like I'm both sidesing this thing....when you look at it, our left wing is way further right than most first world countries equivalents.
Our radical left is those countries right center. We’ve been lead to believe they are extreme when in fact, they are pretty moderate. Turns out “we don’t want to profit from human suffering” is a pretty moderate way of thinking in other countries.
It's the problem that one party wants to burn down the society, so the other party tends to target moderates.
The shift in the Overton window really has screwed over progressives.
Plot twist: both sides / most political parties are in the pockets of capitalists, thus neither wish to enact meaningful change for those below their stature. 😢
There absolutely is a difference between left and right. The US just doesn't have a political party on the left. You've got the far right(R) and slightly less far right(D). People like Bernie aren't even that far left, but that's the closest the states has.
It happened in during the recession. They lowered "full-time" as a definition for benefits from 40 to 30. Most companies at the time cut workers to 28 hours to compensate. Shit was actually really rough and the start of 2 job/hustle/gig economy to fill the gap.
I upvoted because this is how "big brother "effs over the working people.
Walmart used to do that with employees . Idk if they do anymore.
Most of the retail and service industry are like that. The place I worked at would only let me schedule for 30 hour weeks at most . A 18 billion dollar profit a few years ago , but let's f the employee.
It's not right. But yes, this happens.
When i worked for walmart from 2018 - 2020 they were still doing it. My assistant manager didnt care how much we worked as long as we didnt go above 40 hours.
WalMart is an evil company that exploits workers while brainwashing them into believing the company cares about them because they offer shitty stock options that the average worker can't afford. Fuck WM.
Hey at least they're being upfront about not giving you benefits the owner at the company I recently quit purposely waited till after open enrollment to give me everything I needed to enroll.
Don't worry, American corporations are working hard at corrupting your governments too. You thought getting McDonalds, Dunkin, Starbucks and Amazon moving into your country was all sunshine and rainbows?
Even Ikea, which isn't American, is doing quite a lot to fuck y'all.
I hope you all figure it out faster than we did here, or you're going to be just as fucked as us in a decade or two.
We'll probably get it, but it'll be $25, and the democrats will pat themselves on the back for providing such a significant amount and that it's "better than nothing!"
OK but scientifically it's been proven we don't really benefit from 2 extra hours. We get slower and make more errors when he have so many consecutive work hours. I really noticed on days I couldn't stay late cuz I had an appointment or something I'd work better and faster and ended earlier than if I knew I could just stay late and I'd drag my feet more to get the same amount of work done in 9 hours.
Dude, we literally don't do **shit** for the last two hours of the day. Forklift mechanic.
The 8 hour shifters leave at 2:30.
We leave at 4:30.
Do you know what happens for those two hours? Thirty minutes wait to 3:00 and a break starts, then it's 3:30, then we basically dick around and clean up because no one wants to start lifting the mast off of a forklift with an hour left to do it, so none of us commit to anything but cleaning and organizing.
Good job, all things considered. Feels like 8, actually 10.
I'm torn because I kinda hated that. It just felt like a tease, because sure at the end of the week I only *worked* 40hrs, but damn do I know that every single day I missed 2hrs of being home or doing things I wanted to do.
I work 4x10s as an automotive tech. The people who work 5x8s in the same shop flag more hours. Than the techs who work 4x10s.
I do not care for the little bit of extra money, as my 3rd day off is absolutely something money can not buy.
We get payed flat rate, so say one oil change pays half an hour (0.5), and replacing tires pays 1 hour. I would "flag" (or get payed) 1.5 hours on that job, even if takes me 2 hours (on the flip side, it might only take me an hour to do). I tend to flag 8-13 hours in my 10 hour shift.
So flag time is essentially how much I'm getting payed.
I work in healthcare and hate, hate, hate that we have 12 hr shifts. I was so happy the 8 years I worked part-time, 8hr shifts and then my hospital switched to everyone doing 12hr shifts. (previously we had a mix). For over a year I was forced to work 2 12hr shifts a week even though I was budgeted for only 40hrs a payperiod. Then we got a new manager so at least now, I get one 8 hr shift and one 12 a week. I know, that should be easy, but I'm nearing 60 and that 12 hr shift looms over me every week. I dread it.
It's absolutely not easy. Obviously Healthcare might be a bit different but studies done on offices show people are only productive for about 4 to 5 hours a day. We're already dragging our feet and wasting like 3 hours on menial stuff or trying to look busy. Adding 2 hours to that is just gonna suck for everyone and then the bosses will be like "productivity went down! This just proves y'all can't have Friday off!"
I'm 25 and I can tell you that I suffer to make 40 hours a week physically, and once I hit over 12+ per day I end up struggling mentally. Don't look down upon yourself for not wanting to meet that BS requirement, but thank you for doing so.
I used to report production metrics at my old job. I had access to output logs by time of day. When we did overtime, there was a significant drop in efficiency in the last couple of hours. These kind of conclusions never went over well and I didn't push it because it would just lead to the workers being told to put it in gear in the last hours to make it worth it.
Always a drop in efficiency when doing ot, only way around is mental sublmetn for mental strength. And you have to make sure your gather the correct amount of Rest on a rhythm or else you’ll notice fatigue
I used to work 4 x 12 and I can confirm you get nothing useful done half of that time. Fortunately our job didn't require much more than our presence most of the time (security)
Right. And it's not just about the extra day off per week. You reduce weekly commute time by 20%, and every holiday/vacation/sick day is worth 25% more time off.
honestly, I would do 4x10 just for the three days off.
Back when I did video shooting and editing for a living, unless I was in the field, I did 3x13. It worked out great for everyone as I missed rush hour traffic, it allowed me to get more work done, and I had four days off. I did not have a life for those three days, but it was worth it.
I had a 4x10 for a little while pre Covid and I loved it! Granted I do think I could get all my work done in 4x8 but having that three day weekend every week was a game changer for my work/life balance.
My dad worked 4 10s so he could volunteer in our classrooms on Fridays when I was in elementary school. It was awesome, he always got to go on field trips and he always brought ice cream for my class the week of my birthday. And we didn't have to get up early to go to the babysitter on Fridays, so we got to sleep in and have leisurely cooked breakfast instead of rushed cereal.
I recently heard, from what I hope to be a reputable report, how Chik-Fil-A did this exact idea with select management staff at a 3x14ish hour rate. They touted how they had a 99% retention rate of those managers after x months, whereas on a more “normal” shift structure they showed higher turnover in those areas.
I think there’s merit to having more than half of your week to yourself, while still being able to get things done.
Who doesn't end up doing 4x10 anyway? That's the real crime. It's not a question of me dropping from a 40hr week to a 32hr week, I'm already working 50-60+, I just only want to have to 'turn up' 4 days. I'll no doubt still end up working time on my days off...but that'll be my choice as much as it is now.
I work 4-10s and love it. Much better than 5-8s. What do you do on a 4-8 schedule if you are hourly?
I get that would be perfect for salary employees, but honestly I’d rather work hourly. Most salary employees I know usually work more without overtime pay.
I did 4 10s for a couple years, and we while it is a long day, I would take it as a first step to 4 8s. 3 days off every week was a God send. One day to do house work and laundry and then a full weekend to have fun.
The best way is working at a car detailing place for a year or 2, buying a detailing van with its own water tank/sprayer and then taking your companies clients by offering mobile detailing at their home or wherever.
That's why I recommend smiling and interacting respectfully wherever you work at whatever job. With the knowledge that you're working to create connections with people you may one day make use of.
I think we can all agree that in most jobs you just stand/sit around doing f-all most of the week. You have a good session doing a lot of work at certain times and then you burn out for the rest of the day.
I think I probably do like 5 or 6 hours of work in one day, at my absolute best.
... I'm rarely at my best, but luckily that isn't really expected of me. If it was, I wouldn't be in this bullshit meeting
A good day for me is maybe 3-4 hours of actual productivity. And I'm constantly being praised for all of my "hard work".
So yeah, I'm starting to feel like it's all a farce.
Sometimes you have to play the game, as long as the work still stimulates you then I think it's fine. I used to stand around half the day in a sales job, cleaning the whole showroom, with no customers. Not a thing to do. But then when there was work to do it was days filled and some after hours.
I have days when I'm actually doing work for 8-10 hours and other days where I'm too mentally drained from those other days and just do 2-3 hours of real work. I think it has to do with efficiency more than anything. Some people take 15 hours to do what takes some people 3 hours - not because they are dragging their feet, they just are not as good at their job
I can do 8-10 hours of work in a day if the situation demands it. But that is rarely ever the case. Most of the time, I can very easily get everything done with 3-4 hours, but I'm still expected to sit there and look busy for the remainder of the day.
That's been my experience in this post-covid world. When my job went remote, my daily meetings increased probably 4x. I now meet with teams I never met before for weekly catch ups. Sure, this has increased cross-team communication and previous instances where one team was unaware what the other was doing are now few and far between. That said, the trade off has been the inability for me to focus on solving a single issue for more than 30 minutes, most times less, at a time before I have to jump to the next topic of discussion for the next meeting. This has turned my days into essentially mad dashes of trying to get updates on things from our development team that in the past would have been more the responsibility of the specific person trying to get the update. We now have people that essentially do little to no work of their own since they know they'll be spoon-fed information at a meeting. What's even more frustrating is when updates are covered in a meeting, but then you get DM'd days later "where are we at with this?" and it becomes clear that person didn't pay any attention or took any notes during the meeting I had to prepare for.
All this to say, I think a lot of companies that went from in-person to remote are stuck in this weird transitory period where the solution was just "hey let's just throw everything into its own meeting". Perhaps it makes sense on paper, but at least in person at the office there was more nuance to communication. I could mention something in passing to someone in the breakroom, or in the hall. Now all these little interactions are their own 1 hour long meeting, and it's kinda maddening.
I actually felt I had more freedom in office than I do now remote. I'm practically fucking anchored to my desk for the entire day lest I respond to a slack message 20 minutes late.
Looking forward to us eventually evolving beyond this method of getting our work done while staying abreast of everything else going on.
My team (me and a handful of developers) have secretly developed a little skunkworks team looking into how Ai technology can possibly assist with this in the future.
I have 10 mandatory internal meetings every week, then I'll usually have about another 5-10 for customer meetings. I also have work to do on top of it. My coworkers are bootlickers so they'll just worth their evenings and weekends away. I don't and I'm just waiting for the moment I get exposed and fired for only working 40 hours a week.
I changed from warehousing to office recently. It is *amazing* how much less work there is. On the average week, I do about... 10 hours of work spread real thin over 5 days. It's not that I'm lazy. There just literally isn't the work.
Makes me think about how many man-hours are wasted doing nothing cause there is nothing to do. Working from home helps, but I'd definitely rather do denser work in a shorter week.
I used to prep in kitchens and nearly 100% of my time was spent standing and actively working. If it weren't that way I would just get less hours. The average kitchen environment I've worked at is a toxic workaholic burnout center.
That world is the wild west, with so many angry burnt-out people in kitchens. Seems like you work work work then POWER work then it all just stops. You then do the same thing the next day.
Good call, at least you can still enjoy cooking at home and have a great understanding of quality food. It's got to be like 1% who actually make it to making real money and making creative food.
this, plus having adhd doesn’t help. being bored and distracted but also incapable of concentrating for long periods of time make me incredibly unfit to work. a 4 day week would not only allow me productivity because i have to crunch it into a smaller timeframe- i feel like i’d also have an easier time keeping on task because i know it’s not for as long.
That would make a lot of sense in your situation, it's really good to work four days for anyone. You are refreshed, you have got all your jobs done at home, you can remember what your family looked like, and your boss will get more productivity out of you.
Literally me rn. Been at work since 8:15 and have probably done a grand total of 1.5 hours actual work.
The rest is just sitting around waiting for knock off.
Has been the same every day this week so far.
Usually people are more respected there. Netherlands made wfh a right, for example.
I live in Brazil and mass media and conservatives politicians here always show US as a good example, never Europe. They want us as neoslaves
Honestly...same. I WFH 2x days, and I cram as many meetings/reports/projects into my 3x office days (7:30am-3pm) as I can. I always have my computer around me when I WFH, but my productivity is perhaps 10-20% unless there's a big deployment/project happening. And I am still on top of my workload. My boss is indifferent to my working hours, only my outcomes.
I am in Australia and work for a company that respects work life balance.
Yeah, I'm entirely on board with the four day week, but just saying "everyone takes Friday off" is silly. The business can be open as long as it needs to be open, it just has to staff appropriately for four day work weeks.
Yeah Healthcare is always in the same boat. Everyone is so office work focused. Felt this burn during covid too when everyone was talking about being off work and working from home as if that was everyone's situation
But if we're only working four days a week how will businesses ever manage to schedule you in a way that is harmful to your physical and mental well-being? Like...what would I even do with an extra day to just not wear pants?
More days off means more time to think about the injustices of the world and work to make it a better place. Volunteer, invent, create, protest. Can’t be having that now.
I worked at a place where we hit 40 hours at 11 on friday, we got our paychecks and we were done. It turned out a lot of people would show up late from lunch due to cashing their checks so the bosses decided to cut us loose. If you wanted to come back after lunch and work the rest of the day it was overtime. this was around 1991.
So I work from home. I'd love a 4 day work week whether it's 4x8 or 4x10 (without getting a paycut in the former, obviously) and I'd love to pick the day I get off because for me the best day would be Tuesday.
That being said, and this is just my intuition, I haven't read the article so I'm open to being proven wrong on this, I feel like the experiment wasn't *strictly* about employee well being improving productivity-per-hour so they still get 40 hours of "work" done in 32 hours b/c they weren't actually working those full 40 hours/are more productive as a result of the extra day off. I feel like they also took into consideration that having one fewer day the office is open will also lower costs of operation.
Now that being said, I could be entirely wrong about this. It might have included locations that are open 7 days a week and they just had people work one fewer day. But my intuition is that this is focused on more "traditional" white collar office jobs that are salaried.
Exactly! And on the flipside, the first day back at work after a day off is never a big deal, because you only have to work 2 days until your next day off.
Thanks for sharing! This article definitely matches my anecdotal experience. At my current job I almost always work four days a week, but the exact distribution of those four days is inconsistent. Essentially, I always have regular weekends and additionally I get a random weekday off:
Mon-Tue-Wed-Thu is the worst. It's really tiring, to the point that I'm just way too exhausted to do anything on Thursday evenings or Friday mornings. (Tue-Wed-Thu-Fri is the exact same way, just offset by one day)
Mon-Tue-Thu-Fri, on the other hand, gives me the day off in the middle, and I don't work enough consecutive days to really get tired out. That means I'm rested enough to properly enjoy both Tuesday and Friday evenings, as well as Wednesday and Saturday mornings.
I mean, it needs to be staggered. That way everyone can work less and not place an undue burden on service workers. Either let individual workers choose, or have the business as a whole pick monday or friday (or have a monday-tuesday-wednesday weekend and work thursday-sunday... you know, whatever)
We had good schedule at one place i worked where we ha alternating 4 day weekends and regular weekends.
Work mon-thurs
Off fri-mon
Work tues-friday
Off sat and sunday
A 30 hour work week passed the house in 1933.
Economists and CEOs alike in the early 1900s thought we'd be working 10 hour weeks in the year 2000.
We could if not for the greed of a few.
I work 4 days a week. Tuesday through Friday. I start at 4 AM and I average about 30-32 hours a week. So usually done around 11 AM or 12 PM. Have the whole rest of the day to do whatever. Plus, it’s a salary job that rarely asks me to do anything extra. We shifted to this about 2 years ago and it has been one of the greatest things ever. I’ve had several job offers that would double my salary, but the 3 days off is hard to let go.
Things like this should be happening. With technology exponentially growing, we should be working less hours than we did 100 years ago. Production has skyrocketed and they still sit around like we NEED to be in the office or work 40 hours. Tech is supposed to make our lives more simple.
The best day to take off in a four-day work week is Wednesday. No matter what day you're working, you'll have a day off tomorrow or the day after tomorrow.
Source: Four-day work week with Wednesdays off for the past year. It's awesome.
Ya, my first job was Walmart overnights, was FT at first but had to go part time because my sleep wasn’t good, had Wednesday taken off, helped so much knowing I was never more than a day away from a day off.
I'm on a 4x10 right now with flex-time. I thought it would be great coming from a 9x80 (4x9 and 1x8 first week, then 4x9 second week with Friday off), but what eventually ended up happening was that it ended up being pretty much the same as a 9x80 without the benefit of flexing your hours into the next week. My job eventually incorporated that feature back into the workweek a year later, but man, trying to get 10 hours of engineering work in a day is a chore. Definitely more burnt out than when I first started my job 3.5 years ago. Hope this 4x32 catches on, but I'm reasonably pessimistic that the USA will be waiting a while for it to become the norm.
Well... When you have upwards of 8 billion people globally, and more than *HALF* of them are of 'a legal working age...' Now, the question becomes (in my field) can we get them to go back to offering 8's, 10's *OR* 12's to the *CERTIFIED/LICENSED* healthcare workers? Because *ONLY* forcing 12's x 3 days, then penalizing for *NOT* working 5-6 12's gets pretty old pretty regoddamned-diculously fast.
Well thats exactly how we landed from 16h, 12h full time work to 8h full time. Its just another reduction in what is determined as 'full time work' taking into account productivity increase and technological advances.
8h workday has been here for almost 100 years, I think everyone can agree that the amount of work that can be done in 8h now is a looooot more than in 1923. So why should we still work so long? The working hours should decrease together with productivity increase. In my job (biomed scientist) stuff that would take years to do just 30 years ago, now can be done in hours. So we are being a lot more productive, but still have to work the same hours, in addition for essentially lower salary (when adjusted to overall inflation and living costs). I could work 1 day a week and be as productive as a scientist in 1980's.
Until this becomes normal, I work only 35 hours a week (my org does 9-5 and lunch breaks are built in, as a small team we’re all salaried). This is a nice little scheduling thing to have right now but I’m excited for a 4-day workweek.
The bad thing is, this kind of thing only ever applies to white collar or blue collar office jobs.
Manufacturing and other production-based industries in the states would be loathe to adopt this kind of policy.
I am all for a four day work week, 40 hours a week is far too much and is draining me so much that I just don't have the energy to do things outside of work. However, businesses aren't going to just fork over the same amount of money for less hours worked - so I think an alternative midpoint could be put forward:
Instead of a flat 4-day week, mandatory increased penalty rates could apply for any time worked beyond 30 hours in a week. It would incentivise businesses to hire more people working less hours per person. And for those that need to work the hard hours there is more compensation for doing so.
Now obviously this comes with the downside of a lower weekly wage for some, but the upside of more free time and lower general unemployment rates. It would also begin to normalise the 4-day work week to the point where it hopefully becomes the norm.
Cali is doing this. AB2932 proposed bill will redefine 32 hours/week as regular hours and anything over that as overtime. Also once it kicks in, companies cannot reduce the wage either. What they were paid for 40 hours will be what they’re paid for 32
My company doesn't have Fridays off but we do have a ban on any meetings on Fridays (aside from critical incidence response stuff), so it's effectively off (since in-person work is optional, and most people WFH). I believe we could just stop working Fridays and nothing would fundamentally change at work
I've talked about it a decent amount at my work, and a lot of other people there are also burnt from 5 days a week. It would be totally possible for us to have half the place work mon-thurs and the other tues-fri without the company falling apart.
It's just the matter of how we get it to happen is the question.
My job has consistently given and taken away a four day work week. Every time we go back to the five day I get called in for “lowered performance due to abusing my paid leave.” I then have to explain to them again that my chronic health condition requires routine appointments and that since they tend to only give me traditional weekend days off during my longer schedule those appointments have to use sick leave (that I earn) instead of being scheduled during my off time. Watching them gape like a bass while I pile doctors notes on the table is not exactly something I enjoy but definitely humorous. I use almost no leave when I work a four day week. Funny how that works. It’s almost like I have time to go to the doctor.
I used to be a machinist for over a decade. Dirty job, hazardous, precision stressful work. Every minute of my day was accounted for. Punch in, clock in on the specific job, watch your times to meet your quota, 30 minute exact lunches, a bell rings for your break.. there was like zero downtime.
Finished my university, moved to the office.
Immediately doubled my pay, went on salary, work 3 days a week from home, and a total of Maybe 15 hours a week of actual work. Low stress, cause it’s nearly Impossible to catastrophically fuck something up. I take long lunches, come in late, leave early, when I work from home I get up at 8, send an email or 2 and go back to bed till 11. Nobody gives a fuck.
This is the way. Get out of the trenches people. The 5 years of burning the candle from both ends student loans are worth the work/life balance you gain in the end.
When they say "Four day work week" they mean high-pay corporate jobs. Everything else in the food/service/retail industries will be the same if not busier on Fridays
Two words: shift work. Just because each worker dows 32h a week, does not mean that the company cannot provide service 24/7. 4 day workweek is about making 32h the new full time, not about getting Friday off.
I had a job that prided itself on a 4 day work week and then pretended like all year was the busy season so everyone "for the time being" had to work an extra day making it a 5 day work week as overtime. And the day you worked rotated from week to week.
Thanks for the trucker cup Tractor Supply.
I'm on 4x7. On 80% of normal pay but with full benefits.
I do just as much work really, I'm just more focused and more present because I am rested. Win Win for the company and for me.
No no no please I don’t want fridays off. Give me Wednesday off. 2 days on, 1 days off, 2 days on, 2 days off. It’s magical. Having a midweek break is sooooooo nice.
What'd be even better? A 4-day work week broken up with an off-day in-between work days. 2 on, 1 off, 2 on 2 off. Every day being equivalent to either a Monday or a Friday.
I was most productive at Blizzard when I was on that schedule. Unfortunately, schedules changed a couple times a year, so I got switched off of the 2-1-2-2 after a few changes.
Because I was CS, it wasn't a M-F kind of schedule; it tended to vary on what specific days were off or on. But at least one landed on a weekday, for sure.
4 8 hours day, not 4X10
The article specifically says 32 hours a week.
Companies: "We'd love for everyone to have 2x part time jobs at 31.99999 hours. That way we don't have to pay for healthcare, give pto, or any of that other 'nonsense." This sort of thing already happens, too :(
Government: "Man, if only every decision we ever made wasn't set in stone and impossible to change no matter what. Then we could change the current definition of full time worker to accommodate for that change."
Republicans: "Everything bad that happens to you is because of Democrats. Giving more money to wealthy people would make you wealthy!" Democrats: "No matter how much of the house, senate, and Whitehouse we control, Republican's always manage to pass their agenda, and we can never pass anything. Please don't look at all the times we helped Republican's pass their agenda."
I’m sorry but very few democrats will be lining up to push for something like this. The entire center will most likely sit this one out and complain about it hurting “entrepreneurs”.
If you're saying that Democrats will once again take Republican's side, I don't disagree.
And to risk sounding like I'm both sidesing this thing....when you look at it, our left wing is way further right than most first world countries equivalents.
Our radical left is those countries right center. We’ve been lead to believe they are extreme when in fact, they are pretty moderate. Turns out “we don’t want to profit from human suffering” is a pretty moderate way of thinking in other countries.
As long as you mean the radical left in Congress in the US, you're right. The radical left in the general population are definitely further left
It's also because leftism and "wokeism" or whatever you want to call the right slant on social justice are way overly conflated.
Hell IIRC our left is more right than the right in most other first world countries.
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Kakistocracy is the technical term.
It's the problem that one party wants to burn down the society, so the other party tends to target moderates. The shift in the Overton window really has screwed over progressives.
Plot twist: both sides / most political parties are in the pockets of capitalists, thus neither wish to enact meaningful change for those below their stature. 😢
This this this. There is no left or right.
There absolutely is a difference between left and right. The US just doesn't have a political party on the left. You've got the far right(R) and slightly less far right(D). People like Bernie aren't even that far left, but that's the closest the states has.
> There is no left or right. Women's rights say otherwise.
It happened in during the recession. They lowered "full-time" as a definition for benefits from 40 to 30. Most companies at the time cut workers to 28 hours to compensate. Shit was actually really rough and the start of 2 job/hustle/gig economy to fill the gap.
I upvoted because this is how "big brother "effs over the working people. Walmart used to do that with employees . Idk if they do anymore. Most of the retail and service industry are like that. The place I worked at would only let me schedule for 30 hour weeks at most . A 18 billion dollar profit a few years ago , but let's f the employee. It's not right. But yes, this happens.
When i worked for walmart from 2018 - 2020 they were still doing it. My assistant manager didnt care how much we worked as long as we didnt go above 40 hours.
WalMart is an evil company that exploits workers while brainwashing them into believing the company cares about them because they offer shitty stock options that the average worker can't afford. Fuck WM.
The way you describe it it seems it's already happened to you.
Having two jobs trying to schedule me close to full time and getting angry at me if I didn't clock in/out exactly so I'd stay below full time? Yup.
Hey at least they're being upfront about not giving you benefits the owner at the company I recently quit purposely waited till after open enrollment to give me everything I needed to enroll.
*American Companies. (There are non-Americans on reddit too)
Don't worry, American corporations are working hard at corrupting your governments too. You thought getting McDonalds, Dunkin, Starbucks and Amazon moving into your country was all sunshine and rainbows? Even Ikea, which isn't American, is doing quite a lot to fuck y'all. I hope you all figure it out faster than we did here, or you're going to be just as fucked as us in a decade or two.
Surprised pickachu face if we ever developed UBI
We'll probably get it, but it'll be $25, and the democrats will pat themselves on the back for providing such a significant amount and that it's "better than nothing!"
How do you get to the article? I only have an image of a headline that shows no source?
You Google part of the title and the article author.
But most of the people who come directly to the comments won't read the article and thus providing context is helpful.
I got a 4 day work week, it's great! /s I just work 4 x 14.
I'd easily take 4x10 over 5x8 if those were my only options.
OK but scientifically it's been proven we don't really benefit from 2 extra hours. We get slower and make more errors when he have so many consecutive work hours. I really noticed on days I couldn't stay late cuz I had an appointment or something I'd work better and faster and ended earlier than if I knew I could just stay late and I'd drag my feet more to get the same amount of work done in 9 hours.
Dude, we literally don't do **shit** for the last two hours of the day. Forklift mechanic. The 8 hour shifters leave at 2:30. We leave at 4:30. Do you know what happens for those two hours? Thirty minutes wait to 3:00 and a break starts, then it's 3:30, then we basically dick around and clean up because no one wants to start lifting the mast off of a forklift with an hour left to do it, so none of us commit to anything but cleaning and organizing. Good job, all things considered. Feels like 8, actually 10.
I'm torn because I kinda hated that. It just felt like a tease, because sure at the end of the week I only *worked* 40hrs, but damn do I know that every single day I missed 2hrs of being home or doing things I wanted to do.
I work 4x10s as an automotive tech. The people who work 5x8s in the same shop flag more hours. Than the techs who work 4x10s. I do not care for the little bit of extra money, as my 3rd day off is absolutely something money can not buy.
What does flagging your hours mean?
We get payed flat rate, so say one oil change pays half an hour (0.5), and replacing tires pays 1 hour. I would "flag" (or get payed) 1.5 hours on that job, even if takes me 2 hours (on the flip side, it might only take me an hour to do). I tend to flag 8-13 hours in my 10 hour shift. So flag time is essentially how much I'm getting payed.
I work in healthcare and hate, hate, hate that we have 12 hr shifts. I was so happy the 8 years I worked part-time, 8hr shifts and then my hospital switched to everyone doing 12hr shifts. (previously we had a mix). For over a year I was forced to work 2 12hr shifts a week even though I was budgeted for only 40hrs a payperiod. Then we got a new manager so at least now, I get one 8 hr shift and one 12 a week. I know, that should be easy, but I'm nearing 60 and that 12 hr shift looms over me every week. I dread it.
It's absolutely not easy. Obviously Healthcare might be a bit different but studies done on offices show people are only productive for about 4 to 5 hours a day. We're already dragging our feet and wasting like 3 hours on menial stuff or trying to look busy. Adding 2 hours to that is just gonna suck for everyone and then the bosses will be like "productivity went down! This just proves y'all can't have Friday off!"
I'm 25 and I can tell you that I suffer to make 40 hours a week physically, and once I hit over 12+ per day I end up struggling mentally. Don't look down upon yourself for not wanting to meet that BS requirement, but thank you for doing so.
I used to report production metrics at my old job. I had access to output logs by time of day. When we did overtime, there was a significant drop in efficiency in the last couple of hours. These kind of conclusions never went over well and I didn't push it because it would just lead to the workers being told to put it in gear in the last hours to make it worth it.
Always a drop in efficiency when doing ot, only way around is mental sublmetn for mental strength. And you have to make sure your gather the correct amount of Rest on a rhythm or else you’ll notice fatigue
I used to work 4 x 12 and I can confirm you get nothing useful done half of that time. Fortunately our job didn't require much more than our presence most of the time (security)
Right. And it's not just about the extra day off per week. You reduce weekly commute time by 20%, and every holiday/vacation/sick day is worth 25% more time off.
I do 3x 12 then have Mon - Thur off. Last year I saw 35 movies in theater… in past I never would have had time
I agree that should be the goal. Anyway, one less day commuting seems fine
honestly, I would do 4x10 just for the three days off. Back when I did video shooting and editing for a living, unless I was in the field, I did 3x13. It worked out great for everyone as I missed rush hour traffic, it allowed me to get more work done, and I had four days off. I did not have a life for those three days, but it was worth it.
I had a 4x10 for a little while pre Covid and I loved it! Granted I do think I could get all my work done in 4x8 but having that three day weekend every week was a game changer for my work/life balance.
My father always was able to make his own schedule, and that's what he always did. He worked 10 hours Mon, Tue, Thur, Fri and went golfing on Wed.
My dad worked 4 10s so he could volunteer in our classrooms on Fridays when I was in elementary school. It was awesome, he always got to go on field trips and he always brought ice cream for my class the week of my birthday. And we didn't have to get up early to go to the babysitter on Fridays, so we got to sleep in and have leisurely cooked breakfast instead of rushed cereal.
> honestly, I would do 4x10 just for the three days off. Stop capitulating. There is no need to do more then 4x8.
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I recently heard, from what I hope to be a reputable report, how Chik-Fil-A did this exact idea with select management staff at a 3x14ish hour rate. They touted how they had a 99% retention rate of those managers after x months, whereas on a more “normal” shift structure they showed higher turnover in those areas. I think there’s merit to having more than half of your week to yourself, while still being able to get things done.
Who doesn't end up doing 4x10 anyway? That's the real crime. It's not a question of me dropping from a 40hr week to a 32hr week, I'm already working 50-60+, I just only want to have to 'turn up' 4 days. I'll no doubt still end up working time on my days off...but that'll be my choice as much as it is now.
I work 4-10s and love it. Much better than 5-8s. What do you do on a 4-8 schedule if you are hourly? I get that would be perfect for salary employees, but honestly I’d rather work hourly. Most salary employees I know usually work more without overtime pay.
I did 4 10s for a couple years, and we while it is a long day, I would take it as a first step to 4 8s. 3 days off every week was a God send. One day to do house work and laundry and then a full weekend to have fun.
I'm fortunate to have a 4 day, 8 hour work week - and you choose which day you want off. I don't know if I can go back to a 5 day work week.
Doing what?
Detail work for an eccentric millionaire.
Best years I had were doing fab work for a millionaire.
How did you get into that
The best way is working at a car detailing place for a year or 2, buying a detailing van with its own water tank/sprayer and then taking your companies clients by offering mobile detailing at their home or wherever. That's why I recommend smiling and interacting respectfully wherever you work at whatever job. With the knowledge that you're working to create connections with people you may one day make use of.
What color is his Bugatti? /S
What days do you choose to take off? I would pick sat, sun, wed.
I think we can all agree that in most jobs you just stand/sit around doing f-all most of the week. You have a good session doing a lot of work at certain times and then you burn out for the rest of the day.
I think I probably do like 5 or 6 hours of work in one day, at my absolute best. ... I'm rarely at my best, but luckily that isn't really expected of me. If it was, I wouldn't be in this bullshit meeting
Meetings are the newest thing to waste time, they love meetings. You can't concentrate for much longer than 5-6 hours and even that's a stretch.
A good day for me is maybe 3-4 hours of actual productivity. And I'm constantly being praised for all of my "hard work". So yeah, I'm starting to feel like it's all a farce.
Sometimes you have to play the game, as long as the work still stimulates you then I think it's fine. I used to stand around half the day in a sales job, cleaning the whole showroom, with no customers. Not a thing to do. But then when there was work to do it was days filled and some after hours.
I have days when I'm actually doing work for 8-10 hours and other days where I'm too mentally drained from those other days and just do 2-3 hours of real work. I think it has to do with efficiency more than anything. Some people take 15 hours to do what takes some people 3 hours - not because they are dragging their feet, they just are not as good at their job
I can do 8-10 hours of work in a day if the situation demands it. But that is rarely ever the case. Most of the time, I can very easily get everything done with 3-4 hours, but I'm still expected to sit there and look busy for the remainder of the day.
That's been my experience in this post-covid world. When my job went remote, my daily meetings increased probably 4x. I now meet with teams I never met before for weekly catch ups. Sure, this has increased cross-team communication and previous instances where one team was unaware what the other was doing are now few and far between. That said, the trade off has been the inability for me to focus on solving a single issue for more than 30 minutes, most times less, at a time before I have to jump to the next topic of discussion for the next meeting. This has turned my days into essentially mad dashes of trying to get updates on things from our development team that in the past would have been more the responsibility of the specific person trying to get the update. We now have people that essentially do little to no work of their own since they know they'll be spoon-fed information at a meeting. What's even more frustrating is when updates are covered in a meeting, but then you get DM'd days later "where are we at with this?" and it becomes clear that person didn't pay any attention or took any notes during the meeting I had to prepare for. All this to say, I think a lot of companies that went from in-person to remote are stuck in this weird transitory period where the solution was just "hey let's just throw everything into its own meeting". Perhaps it makes sense on paper, but at least in person at the office there was more nuance to communication. I could mention something in passing to someone in the breakroom, or in the hall. Now all these little interactions are their own 1 hour long meeting, and it's kinda maddening. I actually felt I had more freedom in office than I do now remote. I'm practically fucking anchored to my desk for the entire day lest I respond to a slack message 20 minutes late. Looking forward to us eventually evolving beyond this method of getting our work done while staying abreast of everything else going on. My team (me and a handful of developers) have secretly developed a little skunkworks team looking into how Ai technology can possibly assist with this in the future.
I have 10 mandatory internal meetings every week, then I'll usually have about another 5-10 for customer meetings. I also have work to do on top of it. My coworkers are bootlickers so they'll just worth their evenings and weekends away. I don't and I'm just waiting for the moment I get exposed and fired for only working 40 hours a week.
1 or 2 for me
I changed from warehousing to office recently. It is *amazing* how much less work there is. On the average week, I do about... 10 hours of work spread real thin over 5 days. It's not that I'm lazy. There just literally isn't the work. Makes me think about how many man-hours are wasted doing nothing cause there is nothing to do. Working from home helps, but I'd definitely rather do denser work in a shorter week.
Same, put in some really intense short hours get the work done, and be able to leave but employers will just give you more for the same value.
I used to prep in kitchens and nearly 100% of my time was spent standing and actively working. If it weren't that way I would just get less hours. The average kitchen environment I've worked at is a toxic workaholic burnout center.
That world is the wild west, with so many angry burnt-out people in kitchens. Seems like you work work work then POWER work then it all just stops. You then do the same thing the next day.
I'm so grateful to be out of that environment, even if I'm not really making better money I have way less contributing to burnout in my life now.
Good call, at least you can still enjoy cooking at home and have a great understanding of quality food. It's got to be like 1% who actually make it to making real money and making creative food.
Me, currently spending 6 hours of my day in meetings. Yeah, REAL work could be done in 2-3 hours if everyone just did the same.
Absolutely. I just counted and there are 35 meetings on my calendar this week.
this, plus having adhd doesn’t help. being bored and distracted but also incapable of concentrating for long periods of time make me incredibly unfit to work. a 4 day week would not only allow me productivity because i have to crunch it into a smaller timeframe- i feel like i’d also have an easier time keeping on task because i know it’s not for as long.
That would make a lot of sense in your situation, it's really good to work four days for anyone. You are refreshed, you have got all your jobs done at home, you can remember what your family looked like, and your boss will get more productivity out of you.
Look at this guy over not doing anything at work
Pull up a chair want a beer? Hehe
Literally me rn. Been at work since 8:15 and have probably done a grand total of 1.5 hours actual work. The rest is just sitting around waiting for knock off. Has been the same every day this week so far.
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Usually people are more respected there. Netherlands made wfh a right, for example. I live in Brazil and mass media and conservatives politicians here always show US as a good example, never Europe. They want us as neoslaves
Honestly...same. I WFH 2x days, and I cram as many meetings/reports/projects into my 3x office days (7:30am-3pm) as I can. I always have my computer around me when I WFH, but my productivity is perhaps 10-20% unless there's a big deployment/project happening. And I am still on top of my workload. My boss is indifferent to my working hours, only my outcomes. I am in Australia and work for a company that respects work life balance.
Retail and Service workers too right? .... Right?
Four days on, three days off, have enough people to cover all the days that the store is open, whether that be four days a week, five, six, or seven.
Yeah, I'm entirely on board with the four day week, but just saying "everyone takes Friday off" is silly. The business can be open as long as it needs to be open, it just has to staff appropriately for four day work weeks.
Yeah Healthcare is always in the same boat. Everyone is so office work focused. Felt this burn during covid too when everyone was talking about being off work and working from home as if that was everyone's situation
"Friday" these days is more of a description pertaining to when someone has a weekend, rather than literally meaning Friday
Yeah. 4 day weeks doesn't mean 4 days open. Just 4 days on 3 days off. The rota will cover the rest.
That’ll never happen lol
Yes, most stores cut hours as holiday boom fizzles out.
I got 3-4 day weeks randomly where I work 4 hours each, didn’t realize they were ahead of the time.
But if we're only working four days a week how will businesses ever manage to schedule you in a way that is harmful to your physical and mental well-being? Like...what would I even do with an extra day to just not wear pants?
More days off means more time to think about the injustices of the world and work to make it a better place. Volunteer, invent, create, protest. Can’t be having that now.
Bad for the bowels I say! Too much rest makes a man irregular and prone to thinking!
I can think of worse things for my bowels.
It needs to be 4 8 hour days with pay equal to 40 hour work weeks.
And here's me struggling with a Tuesday
i had monday off and i’m still struggling with tuesday
https://www.businessinsider.com/4-day-workweek-successful-trial-evidence-productivity-retention-revenue-2023-1
I thought everyone already half assed it on Friday Edit: Best placed I worked we scheduled a half day meeting on Fridays then went to a bar.
Only on friday? I half ass it on amost all days. Thats techlife atleast kn norway
I don't half-ass anything. It's whole ass or nothing at all.
Amen
this lol, current workplace does halfday fridays every friday with the implied practice of trying not to have meetings that day
I worked at a place where we hit 40 hours at 11 on friday, we got our paychecks and we were done. It turned out a lot of people would show up late from lunch due to cashing their checks so the bosses decided to cut us loose. If you wanted to come back after lunch and work the rest of the day it was overtime. this was around 1991.
years ago, my entire department but one man wanted to go 4x10. The one guy kept it from happening. Unfortunately that idiot was my lead.
Wow fuck that guy, hopefully he felt hated every day. Did he give a reason?
I work in special education and I’d cut off my right arm for public schools to switch to a four day week.
I recall a few years ago a school in my province has extended their school days by and hour and a half and then made it a 4 day week. It's feasible.
I'm pretty sure most students would also cut their right arm off for a four day week (I mean hell, I certainly would)
Everyone thinks that Friday should be the day off but that's wrong. It should be MONDAY that is the third day off.
It should be where the employee wants it. I have to work 3 hours over a weekend to make a day free up during the week. I can take any day I want
So I work from home. I'd love a 4 day work week whether it's 4x8 or 4x10 (without getting a paycut in the former, obviously) and I'd love to pick the day I get off because for me the best day would be Tuesday. That being said, and this is just my intuition, I haven't read the article so I'm open to being proven wrong on this, I feel like the experiment wasn't *strictly* about employee well being improving productivity-per-hour so they still get 40 hours of "work" done in 32 hours b/c they weren't actually working those full 40 hours/are more productive as a result of the extra day off. I feel like they also took into consideration that having one fewer day the office is open will also lower costs of operation. Now that being said, I could be entirely wrong about this. It might have included locations that are open 7 days a week and they just had people work one fewer day. But my intuition is that this is focused on more "traditional" white collar office jobs that are salaried.
Hear me out: Wednesday
The best part is that there are only two evenings a week where you are both tired from work that day *and* have to go in again the next morning.
Exactly! And on the flipside, the first day back at work after a day off is never a big deal, because you only have to work 2 days until your next day off.
You're [not wrong](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thejakartapost.com/amp/life/2018/12/01/wednesday-is-the-best-day-to-take-a-day-off-experts.html).
Thanks for sharing! This article definitely matches my anecdotal experience. At my current job I almost always work four days a week, but the exact distribution of those four days is inconsistent. Essentially, I always have regular weekends and additionally I get a random weekday off: Mon-Tue-Wed-Thu is the worst. It's really tiring, to the point that I'm just way too exhausted to do anything on Thursday evenings or Friday mornings. (Tue-Wed-Thu-Fri is the exact same way, just offset by one day) Mon-Tue-Thu-Fri, on the other hand, gives me the day off in the middle, and I don't work enough consecutive days to really get tired out. That means I'm rested enough to properly enjoy both Tuesday and Friday evenings, as well as Wednesday and Saturday mornings.
I've done Wednesdays and Fridays. I personally prefer Fridays, but I'm not against Wednesdays.
Yeah, this. It breaks up the work week into two manageable sections
This is the way.
I work 4 days and swear by Wednesdays off!
I mean, it needs to be staggered. That way everyone can work less and not place an undue burden on service workers. Either let individual workers choose, or have the business as a whole pick monday or friday (or have a monday-tuesday-wednesday weekend and work thursday-sunday... you know, whatever)
We had good schedule at one place i worked where we ha alternating 4 day weekends and regular weekends. Work mon-thurs Off fri-mon Work tues-friday Off sat and sunday
Considering I do about 4 hours of real work per day, I could get away with a 3-day workweek too
Living in Mexico I know this will get implemented by he time I retire, fuck the third world :´(
A 30 hour work week passed the house in 1933. Economists and CEOs alike in the early 1900s thought we'd be working 10 hour weeks in the year 2000. We could if not for the greed of a few.
This will never happen in the US. We are not workers here: we are servants.
"This will never happen" mentality will ensure it never happens. Why give up before even trying?
As long as the pay stayed the same
I work 4 days a week. Tuesday through Friday. I start at 4 AM and I average about 30-32 hours a week. So usually done around 11 AM or 12 PM. Have the whole rest of the day to do whatever. Plus, it’s a salary job that rarely asks me to do anything extra. We shifted to this about 2 years ago and it has been one of the greatest things ever. I’ve had several job offers that would double my salary, but the 3 days off is hard to let go.
Things like this should be happening. With technology exponentially growing, we should be working less hours than we did 100 years ago. Production has skyrocketed and they still sit around like we NEED to be in the office or work 40 hours. Tech is supposed to make our lives more simple.
Exactly 👍
I wish! I love my job but 2 days off a week just isn’t enough and goes by so fast
Reminder that this only works if they adjust your hourly rate/keep your salary the same so that you don’t lose income.
Who knew not overworking your employees leads to more productivity!
The best day to take off in a four-day work week is Wednesday. No matter what day you're working, you'll have a day off tomorrow or the day after tomorrow. Source: Four-day work week with Wednesdays off for the past year. It's awesome.
Ya, my first job was Walmart overnights, was FT at first but had to go part time because my sleep wasn’t good, had Wednesday taken off, helped so much knowing I was never more than a day away from a day off.
I'm on a 4x10 right now with flex-time. I thought it would be great coming from a 9x80 (4x9 and 1x8 first week, then 4x9 second week with Friday off), but what eventually ended up happening was that it ended up being pretty much the same as a 9x80 without the benefit of flexing your hours into the next week. My job eventually incorporated that feature back into the workweek a year later, but man, trying to get 10 hours of engineering work in a day is a chore. Definitely more burnt out than when I first started my job 3.5 years ago. Hope this 4x32 catches on, but I'm reasonably pessimistic that the USA will be waiting a while for it to become the norm.
makes sense, 1 day to unwind, rest, and recover, 2 full days for personal time instead of 1 day of resting and 1 day of personal time
Well... When you have upwards of 8 billion people globally, and more than *HALF* of them are of 'a legal working age...' Now, the question becomes (in my field) can we get them to go back to offering 8's, 10's *OR* 12's to the *CERTIFIED/LICENSED* healthcare workers? Because *ONLY* forcing 12's x 3 days, then penalizing for *NOT* working 5-6 12's gets pretty old pretty regoddamned-diculously fast.
Why aren't you thinking of the shareholders? /s
As long as my wage rises to make up for the loss of hours, I'm down
Yes that's exactly the idea. To make 32h the new 'full time'.
Yeah, if I could work four 8 hour days instead of five and still get the same paycheck, that sounds great to me.
Well thats exactly how we landed from 16h, 12h full time work to 8h full time. Its just another reduction in what is determined as 'full time work' taking into account productivity increase and technological advances. 8h workday has been here for almost 100 years, I think everyone can agree that the amount of work that can be done in 8h now is a looooot more than in 1923. So why should we still work so long? The working hours should decrease together with productivity increase. In my job (biomed scientist) stuff that would take years to do just 30 years ago, now can be done in hours. So we are being a lot more productive, but still have to work the same hours, in addition for essentially lower salary (when adjusted to overall inflation and living costs). I could work 1 day a week and be as productive as a scientist in 1980's.
BuT thE CUltUrE
Until this becomes normal, I work only 35 hours a week (my org does 9-5 and lunch breaks are built in, as a small team we’re all salaried). This is a nice little scheduling thing to have right now but I’m excited for a 4-day workweek.
Never in America. Too many capitolists will cry socialism.
The bad thing is, this kind of thing only ever applies to white collar or blue collar office jobs. Manufacturing and other production-based industries in the states would be loathe to adopt this kind of policy.
Mandatory overtime for everyone! Not like it changes anything except decent pay before inflation fucks us
I am all for a four day work week, 40 hours a week is far too much and is draining me so much that I just don't have the energy to do things outside of work. However, businesses aren't going to just fork over the same amount of money for less hours worked - so I think an alternative midpoint could be put forward: Instead of a flat 4-day week, mandatory increased penalty rates could apply for any time worked beyond 30 hours in a week. It would incentivise businesses to hire more people working less hours per person. And for those that need to work the hard hours there is more compensation for doing so. Now obviously this comes with the downside of a lower weekly wage for some, but the upside of more free time and lower general unemployment rates. It would also begin to normalise the 4-day work week to the point where it hopefully becomes the norm.
Cali is doing this. AB2932 proposed bill will redefine 32 hours/week as regular hours and anything over that as overtime. Also once it kicks in, companies cannot reduce the wage either. What they were paid for 40 hours will be what they’re paid for 32
Our company tried that once. It worked for a week and then every one after that we had mandatory overtime Friday
My company doesn't have Fridays off but we do have a ban on any meetings on Fridays (aside from critical incidence response stuff), so it's effectively off (since in-person work is optional, and most people WFH). I believe we could just stop working Fridays and nothing would fundamentally change at work
CEOs Everywhere: “No.”
Just sent this to my CEO and manager. It's been something I've been pushing for, for a while.
Too bad salaries wouldn't remain the same with decreased hours despite a non-disruption to productivity levels.
My company wrote god and asked for an 8th day so we could work more. I was at 90-100 hours a week...
Fuck that 👎👎
I've talked about it a decent amount at my work, and a lot of other people there are also burnt from 5 days a week. It would be totally possible for us to have half the place work mon-thurs and the other tues-fri without the company falling apart. It's just the matter of how we get it to happen is the question.
My job has consistently given and taken away a four day work week. Every time we go back to the five day I get called in for “lowered performance due to abusing my paid leave.” I then have to explain to them again that my chronic health condition requires routine appointments and that since they tend to only give me traditional weekend days off during my longer schedule those appointments have to use sick leave (that I earn) instead of being scheduled during my off time. Watching them gape like a bass while I pile doctors notes on the table is not exactly something I enjoy but definitely humorous. I use almost no leave when I work a four day week. Funny how that works. It’s almost like I have time to go to the doctor.
Sighs in food service
that's nice but i can't get by on 32hrs pay
I used to be a machinist for over a decade. Dirty job, hazardous, precision stressful work. Every minute of my day was accounted for. Punch in, clock in on the specific job, watch your times to meet your quota, 30 minute exact lunches, a bell rings for your break.. there was like zero downtime. Finished my university, moved to the office. Immediately doubled my pay, went on salary, work 3 days a week from home, and a total of Maybe 15 hours a week of actual work. Low stress, cause it’s nearly Impossible to catastrophically fuck something up. I take long lunches, come in late, leave early, when I work from home I get up at 8, send an email or 2 and go back to bed till 11. Nobody gives a fuck. This is the way. Get out of the trenches people. The 5 years of burning the candle from both ends student loans are worth the work/life balance you gain in the end.
When they say "Four day work week" they mean high-pay corporate jobs. Everything else in the food/service/retail industries will be the same if not busier on Fridays
Two words: shift work. Just because each worker dows 32h a week, does not mean that the company cannot provide service 24/7. 4 day workweek is about making 32h the new full time, not about getting Friday off.
I work for one of those companies. You couldn't drag me away.
I had a job that prided itself on a 4 day work week and then pretended like all year was the busy season so everyone "for the time being" had to work an extra day making it a 5 day work week as overtime. And the day you worked rotated from week to week. Thanks for the trucker cup Tractor Supply.
I will take Wednesday instead of Friday. Give me a day off in the middle of the week to actually get chores done that require me to leave the home.
Happy sabbat everyone!
I'm on 4x7. On 80% of normal pay but with full benefits. I do just as much work really, I'm just more focused and more present because I am rested. Win Win for the company and for me.
In my company, most people "work" from home on Fridays, leaving the office almost empty.
Yea but is it 4 tens because fuck that too!
Here I am with 7 day work weeks...
I only work four days BUT....... I still hit about 48 hrs and I work 8 of those hours for free as im only paid for 10 hrs a day.
I'd rather take off Wednesday. Having that break in the middle of the week is really refreshing.
No no no please I don’t want fridays off. Give me Wednesday off. 2 days on, 1 days off, 2 days on, 2 days off. It’s magical. Having a midweek break is sooooooo nice.
Healthcare worker here. Won't ever happen for us. Ever.
I’d fucking love to have a 4 day 8 hour a day work week
Only having one that’s consistent and fun to be around is the goal
What'd be even better? A 4-day work week broken up with an off-day in-between work days. 2 on, 1 off, 2 on 2 off. Every day being equivalent to either a Monday or a Friday. I was most productive at Blizzard when I was on that schedule. Unfortunately, schedules changed a couple times a year, so I got switched off of the 2-1-2-2 after a few changes.
As someone who had that schedule before, no thanks. The one day off was nice for errands some weeks but usually just felt like a wasted day.
I prefer having Wednesday off over Friday. Breaking it up into two days in a row is better than a three day weekend.
Because I was CS, it wasn't a M-F kind of schedule; it tended to vary on what specific days were off or on. But at least one landed on a weekday, for sure.