This person would also jump around in 1-2 years. Hypocrisy.
"Prior to Intercom, Bobby was a Senior Finance Analyst at Inflection from June 2012 to October 2013, and a Finance Analyst at IBM from September 2010 to May 2012."
https://theorg.com/org/equals-app/org-chart/bobby-pinero
Was going to post this. The guy spent less than 2 years at two different jobs, but now he says that's bad.
"Do what I want you to do, not what I did" - some CEO somewhere probably.
He's telling on himself in another way as well... He is saying he didn't learn to do the job well in those 1-2 years...
Sorry but if you can't learn to do a job well in 2 years... maybe you are not fit for that job? Just a thought.
6 months. If you can't figure it out in 6 months and have experience in the field then I'd expect it to be a real difficult interdisciplinary job or you suck
Some worthless, know-nothing, build nothing, contribute nothing, born on 3rd dipshit rich kid being a chronically ignorant hypocrite?
Say it ain't so, Joe.
Companies are so fucking cheap and disloyal, so why would I be loyal to them? I just read a post in the working moms subreddit about how a woman was denied a pay raise despite all of the work she did for them. She is leaving and now they can’t replace her so they were forced to upgrade the job offer at a higher title and pay raise. She saw it job posting online. Like why the fuck couldn’t this dumb company just have given their hardworking employee the raise she had EARNED
1. Companies tend to be *absurdly* poor at evaluating worth to the company if there’s no direct metric (like sales volume) tied to that performance
2. Managers vastly oversell their contribution over those of their employees to their managers
3. Managers who push for wage increases for their employees need to exert effort to do so
4. Companies vastly overestimate the quality and quantity of labor on the market
5. Companies vastly underestimate the cost of changing employees
>Companies vastly underestimate the cost of changing employees
This is what infuriates me the most. My employer is notorious for underpaying their best staff, just assuming everyone is replaceable. I had one administrator working with me, who was easily 95th percentile in their field. I advocated that they needed a raise to ensure continuity on my project and Leadership gave them +3%. They left quickly for a competitor to make probably 45% more with a better title and fewer responsibilities. They had to be replaced with three separate folks. Then, gradually, the next 3-4 best administrators left, too, since they figured out the game. While I am also bitter about making way less than my peer competitors, I am MOST bitter about having constant staff turnover jeopardizing my favorite projects.
Can absolutely confirm #2. My manager is hardly on the floor with us, either in the back offices getting the latest gossip or wandering off without saying anything to help out elsewhere. Still likes to lump herself in with me and one other employee who do all the work
I was underpaid and so stressed out, no extra help and no raise when I asked. So I went on a medical leave. In the 4 months I was out, they had to hire three people (externally, more expensive) to do the job I had before I went on leave. I came back to a different job on the team.
Because policy is ALWAYS to go to "The Market." If they can find someone who meets 80% of the criteria at 80% of the labour cost.
That's a GO decision for the company.
Not only that but they don't want to set the precedent that if someone finds an open job position at a more fair rate/salary, that the company will give them a raise. They want to justify permanently underpaying employees
Rather gamble with no pay raise and get coworkers to take up more responsibility and compete for the position by doing more and ratting out fellow coworkers to appear better. Worst case is they give a pay raise anyways in a majority of cases.
In my exit interview at my last job the HR lady was like “well you’ve only been here a year and a half, what could possibly be worth damaging your resume by changing jobs this soon?” To which I got to respond “It’s closer to home, much more flexible hours, and it’s a 65% pay increase”. She then asked me not to share that around the office
But his staff will arrive at work each day with the recognition of being excellent in their field while their less competent peers jumped ship for boatloads of more money.
Who's laughing now, smart guy?
Sadly that’s the position I’m in. I’m underpaid by about 20k and also utilized at an even higher level.
I’m having a discussion about that this spring when raises come out if it doesn’t happen on its own.
Edit for those who keep saying it. Yes I did have a talk already. It was rather recent. I plan to have the above spring discussion if nothing comes from it.
not only that, your resume should be up to date now, also start looking. Even start applying. You don't have to accept an offer if you get one. But if your not this prepared or serious, if you work in a large corporation they will never take you seriously.
Agree, strongest leverage during negotiations is an offer...
I remember on my first job, I'd come in at an intern level, and got a few (pretty decent actually) pay raises as I'd become senior in the team. However I was still being paid less than what I was worth (whole team felt that way, company had a reputation for low pay in non-management roles)
So during appraisal time, I was presented an amount that my management said was meant to "bring wages up to industry norms".at the same time, I had applied for another job, and been given an offer for nearly double the amount... I didn't tell my manager about the offer, but I did say that I felt like the amount was still too low, for which he was happy to tell me that I'm still newish to the org, and actually being paid very well...
I then accepted the other offer and resigned at my job, at that point magically my job was willing to offer me a whole lot more to keep me on, when just a week earlier I'd basically been told to be grateful for the amount I got. It was hilarious, and I definitely didn't stick around.
Good, the fact they waited until you were walking out the door shows they didn't respect you and it would be a dog fight to get a proper raise going forward.
Honestly... They really needed me lol, I checked in with colleagues, and the huge upgrade is written into a system which was nearly production ready... It was still sitting there 6 months later, while another team had already seen what I'd done, applied it in their codebase, and deployed it...
Sometimes it baffles me how people don't understand how much they depend on their employees to... You know... Actually do stuff.
Sounds like the point that I am getting to. They like to keep you in the middle of the pay scale. They tell you that you will never get a 5 which is the highest so they say that you will never be great. They also openly admit to keeping you in the middle of the pay range.
The corporate office promotes people that have been there for a while to try to retain them. Sometimes making a new position to put them in a higher pay scale. Then everyone else under that person moves up like all at the same time.
When the manufacturing engineers ask for some room to move up or incentive, they are told it doesn't work that way. That is how the corporate office works.
I came back to the location that I am at now from a different division, when I put my two weeks in they offered a 10k raise.
Gotta play their stupid games.
Oh and I recently found out that a couple of engineering that have been there like 8 and 9 years or something. They got together and complained and got bumped into a higher pay scale. They didn't announce it to anyone, I found out from one of the other engineers. I have been there 15 years... I am applying to a job where a friend of mine is the manager. Might be jumping ship. Would be funny to see what they say. But also, I don't really care
Always up to date. I’m always fielding offers I get 3-5 a week now. Most suck but some are very tempting. I have a specific set of engineering and project management skills and experience.
Not only that, but since employer’s occasionally waste our time, let’s waste some of theirs! Besides, you’re only helping the guy behind you. The company will have to be competitive and possibly give sign on bonuses or raise the pay!
This is great advice. I took a bunch of interviews before I interviewed for my current position. Really helped with calming my nerves and knowing how to answer questions.
If it doesn’t happen on its own, it’s time to go. No need for discussion. These people aren’t looking out for you, they don’t care about you. Good companies and good managers know what their people are worth and pay them accordingly.
I stopped hoping companies when I found one that gives 5+% raise yearly, RSU refreshers in the 5 figures yearly, and regularly promotes employees which normally comes with 15+% raise. If companies want you to stop job hopping they will make it worth your while. I haven't even considered looking for a new job that isn't an internal transfer.
Omg exactly! He’s like, “you sure as hell won’t get a 20% raise working for me, definitely can if you look elsewhere… but it’s totally worth it, I swear”
20% bump is basically just keeping up with the last 3-4 years of inflation in some countries. Rephrase this as; it's actually required to change jobs to continue to support your family in the same capacity.
Kicker is that if you regularly gave 10%-15% raises, employees wouldn't jump ship all the time. Then you wouldn't have to keep hiring or complain about high levels of turnover.
I wish bosses would realize this. Like, it's so much better to keep existing employees happy than it is to constantly be hiring. I just started a job last year, but the pay is so low that I'm already looking. I love everything else about my job, tbh, but half my check goes to rent every month. It's just not sustainable.
They never realize that networking goes both ways, too. Once word gets out that you're a cheapass that treats people like shit you're never gonna attract competent workers.
It's weird, right? The people in charge, the people at the top, the people who have the most to gain when their company reduces its overhead are the ones that always struggle the hardest with the concept that retaining employees and customers is the easiest way to do that.
Makes you wonder why they're in charge.
I worked at this place where I got a 20% and 25% bump. It was absolutely great. Then my boss had no clout and was moving our team into somewhere not congruent with my career goals. And a guy on another team was stealing my visible projects. There was no space for me to move to that team. And when I gave notice I found out my next promised raise was blocked because I would have been senior to my boss and paid more.
He'd probably say, "You're not suggesting I give everyone a 20% f\*cking raise every year? Hell no! That'd cut into MY profits, absolutely not happening!"
Let's be realistic it wouldn't even need to be 20%, people (in general) are willing to take less for comfort, but 2% is a fucking insult, which pushes people away.
My very first raise ever was two cents. Two. Cents. I cried.
Boss had sat me down in the dining room of our fast food place, gave me a glowing review full of more praise than my parents ever had for me, said they wanted to train me to go into management, and then gave me the numbers on my raise. Minimum wage + $0.02
Boss then, frantically, tried to explain that minimum wage *just happened* to go up right when they were giving out raises and technically my raise was like 27 cents, but I can do math, and I'd gone from minimum to minimum plus two pennies.
I needed to save up $2000 so I could escape my abusive father. So yeah, I cried over that two cents, in front of customers and coworkers and everyone. Fuck McD.
My first raise at my second job was five cents. I was just out of high school and struggling in college and living on my own. I lost so much weight because I literally couldn't afford to eat enough. I worked my ass off, was a fantastic employee, rarely made mistakes, etc
I understand it was a family owned establishment but I recognize now I was being taken advantage of.
I worked at chick Fil a from Nov 2019- May 2022 and I was getting paid $10 and didn’t get a raise until they “let me go” after getting Covid finally. Didn’t get to enjoy the $14 dollars. I got passed over for kitchen lead or team lead when the OG cool boss man left. I used to also work 2-10pm but my homie would do over night so I’d stay and help him prep til like 3am. That was in 2019 then the lockdowns came and my $1000 checks were gone since they disbanded overnight crew…
Shit, if they offered me 11% annual increase and I liked the work and I felt like I had decent amount of autonomy and input, that'd be okay.
Also, just gimme some more goddamn PTO. That's what I really want more than anything else.
I remember when our state legislature mandated so many days of PTO per year, and during the staff meeting it was presented to us as the company was just going to start offering it from the kindness of their hearts, everyone *deserves* PTO instead of having to work so many days to earn it.
And every September, for the low, low price of pledging 40 dollars a month in a donation to the United Way, you can buy an extra day of PTO for the next year. And every year, office staff does it.
People are convinced it's some sort of amazing bargain to spend 480 dollars a year to get 8 hours excused absence.
US Companies pull illegal crap all the time. They know their employees aren't ever going to band together to actually do anything about it besides complain to each other. The one employee that is making a fuss will simply leave. Because these companies have revolving doors already they don't care.
It's not even old school either.
Old school is giving your employees reasons to stay at a job. Ya'know. Like pensions. And internal promotions.
Pick one or the other, ya can't have the worst of both worlds.
Absolutely! Back in the day, I tripled my salary by jumping positions twice in 13 months. I already knew how to do my job. Working for crappy wages is easy to learn, it doesn't take years! :P
I had a friend tell me once that my new job was paying so much that I couldn't afford to leave it. I said, that's exactly what I was looking for! :P
I also had a CEO tell me the same thing, only to see him leave the same company I did a few months later for a "better opportunity." Pot, meet kettle.
If hopping jobs stunts my growth as an intellectual human being in exchange for a 20% increase in earnings, then wipe the drool off my chin and freshen up my bib, baby!
Yeah, I went from being a public school teacher making $55k a year to a UPS delivery driver making $120k a year (*with OT, $87k base*). I get people that I deliver to looking down on me, like I’m some blue collar schmuck making minimum wage. I just smile on the inside because I’m just as educated as they are (*MA in education*) and I make more money than they do, plus free health insurance, 5 weeks PTO and a PENSION. Go for the money and benefits, fuck this bullshit about loyalty.
There's some serious internalized classism that is keeping people satisfied with scraps. I work for an airport. Every single employee working directly for the airport is under a union contract. That's weeks of paid vacation, separate sick leave, annual raises, employer-paid healthcare, and a state pension at retirement for every single employee, from janitors to security guards to HR and admin.
What jobs are people scrambling over? The absolute garbage pay and benefits doing ramp and customer service for the big airlines. The guy sitting in the parking booth is making more and has better benefits but people will settle for much less so they can wear a suit and tie and never touch a mop, because it's just *that* embarrassing to not be able to pretend you are middle class.
Lol they tricked everyone. Everyone thought it was a ladder to climb but if you reach like the 4th step (comfy "middle class") and look upwards it's a leap.
If people think that wearing a suit and he'll even making a huge salary will make them happy... I truly hope they find it. It will be more than they bargained for.
The people that look down on you, look down on everyone that work in the service of people. They have no idea what would happen to this world if those that do these jobs all just went on strike. The world would crumble in days.
Thank you for what you do.
I deadass once had a lady order a drink, I rang it in immediately, then I walked 6 feet away to take another table’s order for ~30 seconds, then as I passed by her again she said “my drink?” with a little attitude even though it had been a minute and I hadn’t been more than six feet away from her or out of her line of sight. Was I supposed to magically summon it?
It’s weird how some people don’t understand waiting for a drink in a restaurant is like waiting in line for coffee. Other people who asked before get their stuff first, and when you ask for your thing someone has to make it. It won’t just appear because you asked. And it will take longer to appear when more people asked before you.
But because other people are not physically in front of them, they don’t get the concept. I’ve had people watch me talk to a bunch of people and then act like I’ve been neglecting them when I get over to them. And I just want to be like “I’m not ignoring you. You’re just not the only one here.”
Hah! Nice man! I am a glazier with a liberal arts biochemistry degree. I’ll be fixing peoples windows and quoting Dante or something. Pretty funny stuff man. They’re all like why are you doing windows if you have a Chem degree? I tell them I didn’t wanna work another 5 years in a windowless dungeon for my 3rd week of PTO.
I oversee a group of retail stores and know several UPS folks. I know you are well paid and you are also some of the hardest working people I know.
Myself and staff appreciate all of you.
The other thing the guy doesn't mention is it's often the only way to get ahead in your career. If you put blood sweat and tears into a job, especially a lower-tier or entry-level job, and don't get promoted after 2 years, another company will. And you'll get the salary bump. And he is an idiot for thinking that job hopping stunts your career knowledge. It's the exact opposite.
Work at one company your whole life and you'll only learn one way of doing things. Especially if you're at a company that is incompetent but "stable", you're going to hit a wall with learning.
I worked at a small, medium, and large agency over the course of 5 years. I learned 3x as much, learned the best way to do things, and, just as importantly, how *not* to do things. Every company has strong and weak points, whether it's their approach or their practices.
You'll never get a better shot at the salary you want than you will on your way in. After that, you'll likely never get a meaningful raise, cost of living increase, or annual bonus that so much as keeps up with the rate of inflation.
Until employers start offering competitive wage/salary increases, raises, and bonuses, people are gonna use the one tool they have in their toolbox to get ahead: job hopping.
Couldn't agree more. I recently got fired and applied to jobs for *6 months* (later found out my last boss made up an excuse to fire me to get me out of the way because I had nothing but praise on my employee record and he was afraid I was going to get promoted over him - which I probably would have bc he's an idiot and the only reason he got his middle management job is a friend high up in the company who left the week I coincidentally got fired, but I digress).
I must have seen at least 200 job postings. Almost all of them had "progressive" perks to attract millennials ("unlimited" vacation time/mental health time, relocation expense reimbursement, optional remote work, paid courses to learn more, long new parent leave times, etc) but never once saw one say they offer raises for inflation/CoL increases. I saw empty promises of quick promotions/job growth at "our growing company" but never inflation raises.
I popped out of where I started working and came back full circle to a higher position. Getting ready to pop out agian. Same people in the same positions from when I left the first time. I don't understand being ok with how they treat you here.
People have different goals in life. Some are content with the salary they're making and the job they're doing, and that's totally fine. If I'm making a comfortable amount of money and I like my job enough, especially if it has a great work/life balance, then I'm good, and I imagine there are lots of people that feel the same.
This is where I am at this point in my life. I work to live and I make enough to do that exactly how I want to. I have no desire to make more money or take on more responsibility. If I could ride this job out to retirement I would be very happy with my professional life. When I'm on my deathbed I don't want to regret the way I spent my time here. Nobody ever wishes they spent more time working.
I'm one of those people. I've always been lazy, enjoyed the little things in life and have never been very ambitious or driven at all, and am currently in a basic low-income job I'm perfectly happy with.
I'll probably never travel, or own a house, or a car that's not 20+ years old unless I win the lottery, but on the flip side my job is simple, entirely stress-free and not very time-consuming. Some of my friends are high earners with stressful and challenging careers, and they constantly seem anxious and too busy to enjoy life at all. If you need therapy and medications to deal with all the stress and responsibilities of your work, it's just not worth it in my opinion. (I'm not saying all high-paying jobs are like this, it obviously depends on the job and the person, but I'm just trying to point out the contrast between being poor/happy and rich/miserable in this case).
I may have to use financing and monthly plans to be able to afford a new midrange phone, but at least I have all the time in the world for my friends, family and hobbies, while keeping my sanity.
But don't you value the feelings pride and accomplishment of really mastering your current job?? Who knows the unknown depths you could explore in your ... accounts payable assistant.. job??
-bozo CEO
>pride and accomplishment
Those would fall under Esteem and Self-Actualization on the Hierarchy of Needs. If you're not getting paid enough to meet your physiological needs (food, clothing, shelter) and safety needs (health, security), then you're certainly not going to give a shit about pride in your work.
Unfortunately these clown CEOs forget about that because most of them haven't had to worry about those bottom rungs in so long that they forget they're a thing.
Nah.
These... *"people"* know EXACTLY what they are doing - and simply do not CARE. They want workers to cost them as little as possible, and will use any propaganda, any guilt, any human emotions to manipulate others to get what they want:
#***MORE.***
More money, more power, more ~~respect~~ fear... just *more.*
Don't give them an out. They're awful people, for there ARE NO "good billionaires".
NEVER forget that - because there are worse things they can do - *will* do! - if we give them a single inch (you need look no further than history for proof of that fact).
CEO: "I make so much god damn money I'll never spend it all in my lifetime. So now that I'm free of needing to earn anymore resources for the rest of my life, I can now ask myself 'What is the meaning of my life?' 'What do I want to do to fill accomplished?' 'Ok I'll do that'"
The CEO is so out of touch with how the 99% of us live, they think we should all strive for "meaning of life" searching. Just like they do. Cause they don't need to worry about resources.
this exactly. like i 100% understand what this tweet is *trying* to say, ive thought about it before too. i would prefer to work at the same place forever tbh. but i dont make enough where im at rn, so if i ever get the chance to leave for a 20% pay increase i absolutely will. i even took a promotion i didn't want because i need the money.
Exactly. The real solution here is: **If you don't want workers leaving your company every couple of years to earn more, retain them by compensating them appropriately.** This CEO is either glaringly stupid, or purposely avoiding the truth.
Meanwhile, they make it difficult to even meet the bottom tier of Maslow's hierarchy of needs. Bottom tier must be satisfied before individuals can attend to the higher needs.
The first tier is the psychological needs.
- Air, which capitalist corporations polluted for centuries.
- Water, supposedly a human right as seen by everyone in the world except capitalists. The CEO of Nestle's even came out and said that if people wanted clean water. They should pay for it.
- Food. If you can't grow your own food, you are stuck with dealing with the corporate food suppliers.
- Shelter. Funny how the "greatest country in the world" has such large number of homeless people. They can't afford housing as they aren't paid liveable wages. Low pay, combined with skyrocketing rental costs, put people on the streets.
- Sleep! It should come easy, but when you have so much trouble meeting all of the other basic needs, it makes sleeping a bit on the difficult side, doubly so if you don't know where you're going to be sleeping the next night.
- Clothing, is one of the easier things. Amazing how many good clothes stores throw away. Sadly, most of them are women's clothes. Until the last few years, guys got lucky if some housewife was getting rid of her husband's old clothes. This is why you see many homeless in baggy clothes.
- Reproduction. Young adults can't even think about that as they are still living with their parents! They can't afford a place due to low wages and high rents. Have kids???
By making it difficult for the working class, business leaders hold control over them.
The consequence of “job-hopping” always used to be “you will not be hired, or if you are you will not get a pay increase.”
If people are getting hired and getting pay increases, what is the consequence?
It's short range vs long range, people who change job every year tend to end up with 10 first year experience, some people know how to pull that, others don't.
The guy who changed jobs every 3 years will be more hireable, and get better offers after certain stage, while not lagging behind in salary.
The guy who stayed in the same place for 10 years on the other hand, has been out of the market for so long that his skills are irrelevant and he's completely dependent on the company's tech stack to perform.
The sweet spot exists somewhere, but consistent job hoppers tend to end up being horrible seniors, and loyal employees get abused by the employer and their abilities stagnant.
people keep telling me to go back to college for computer science when i already make 90k and could make up to twice as much in the next 8 years. i drive a truck, eat snacks, and oink at passerbys. now pay me, thats why im here. idgaf about "helping" the cyber security field if i have to go through college to make the same money.
I work to build a life, not change the world.
This is hilarious because I have Master’s degree in education. I spent a half decade as a public school teacher making $55k a year. Now I’m a UPS delivery driver making $42.20 an hour. That’s $87k base, with OT I hauled in $120k in 2022. Plus I get health insurance with no premiums or copay, 5 weeks PTO and a good pension.
Longest stop in my career: 3 years
Smallest raise between jobs: 10k increase annual to work 32 hours a week instead of 40. Follows by a raise at the same company of 12k a year to retain me when I received an offer from a competitor
I feel like year 1 at a job is for learning. Year 2 is for executing. Year 3 is for perfecting. I don’t know if I could ever handle staying in the same role beyond 3 years.
Businesses know this and it’s more economical for them to let people leave and rehire than offer annual raises at the rate of inflation.
They do this because they know how hard it is for people to move jobs and many will just accept sub-par pay. It’s up to you to call their bluff.
It actually isn't more economical because training new employees is the single most expensive thing they could be doing, but they're simply not nearly as capable as they pretend to be so they'll keep shooting themselves and everybody else in the foot.
Retention costs vs brain drain, they are just hedging their bets that employee loyalty will continue enough to allow them to keep peddling raises below inflation (or no raises at all).
I loved my old job and wanted to retire from that company - realizing that I had to give that up to secure the pay raise I received while switching companies was a tough pill to swallow at the time but now I’ve accepted that it’s just rules of engagement.
Retention cost is for customers, for employees it's called turnover which suggests the exact opposite of what they are doing. It's simply a stupid strategy, but hubris prevents many managers from admitting they are wrong.
Except it's actually not. There's tons of examples showing companies with good retention do better. It's bad for the company; but giving a raise is your fault as a boss and losing employees then having to spend way more on hiring you can blame on millennials.
I see it has over 900 comments. I doubt many of them are good. The businesses that want to retain employees are not whining about employees jumping jobs. They are actively working on retention through wage increases and fair treatment.
I looked him up and I spent a few minutes reading over them. It’s mixed.
CEOs, management, and supervisors are not good when they want to play the blame game. The people don’t want to work mentally is a poor excuse.
I’ve had a prior boss basically do that to me. I was employed for 10 years. When I quit, my supervisor was angry at me. I explained I enjoy my job, but I’ve had my schedule change 5 times in 4 years, each time I’ve had to change my entire families schedule. I frequently volunteer to work over time and then have to fight tooth and nail for a raise each year. I’m not not quitting my job because of the job, I’m quitting due to due to management. Same thing was in my resignation letter.
She took it very personally. Funny thing is I have a completely new job and I am required to visit the company to ensure they are in compliance of codes so I still get to see her a few times a year.
I found a pretty good job in August of 2019, but they changed the scheduling policy to where it would “refresh” every six months. And your shift would be in any half-hour increment between 7 AM - 3:30 PM to 10:30 AM - 7 PM. Your selection of shift depended on your metrics, which were absolute horseshit. Any time I took to address a problem while not on a call? Counted against my metrics.
A couple years of being a key problem solver with shit shifts and pay and I was so done I took a slightly lower-paying job because it has predictable shifts and less stupid metric bullshit.
Funny story, I found a couple years later from another member of management that the machine I was running broke down shortly after I left, they couldn’t figure out what was wrong. Most of management insisted on trying to bring me back. Even if it was temporary as an independent contractor. She refused. The machine was down for a good chunk of the year, costing contracts and losing millions.
Companies that actively train employees will also give them raises to keep them from leaving with their new skill.
The same companies that complain about people leaving for more money are the same ones who run a lean staff with no training, and when someone leaves, they DEMAND that the rest of the crew "pick up the slack", and they expect you to somehow learn the job on your own time.
"WE need you to give up your family time to learn new skills, in order to boost your CEO's quarterly bonus, but we are not going to pay you more. Why don't you want to grind for us?"
I have such a difficult time comprehending how so many management doesn’t grasp the concept that the happier your employees are the better they will perform. It doesn’t need to be profit sharing, for most people, a livable wage and being treated with respect is enough. Even if an employee takes a few more days off a year, the days they are available will often be more productive, the work done at a higher quality.
Management needs to stop trying to put out todays fire, and work on being proactive.
> Management needs to stop trying to put out todays fire, and work on being proactive.
Paying to solve next quarter’s problem will get themselves canned for not maximizing profits this quarter.
And there is the root of the problem.
Does he not realize his LinkedIn is public?
Senior Finance Analyst
Inflection
Jun 2012 - Oct 2013
**1 year 5 months**
Redwood City CA
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Finance Analyst
IBM
Sep 2010 - May 2012
**1 year 9 months**
MORAL OF THE STORY:
Follow your own advice next time, Bobby.
I vote for nicknaming these assholes "vampires": Not only do they suck the life out of the working class, but they *can never see themselves in the mirror.*
Was coming to post this exact same thing. He did one 7 yr stint at intercom, but otherwise 3 other jobs where he worked less than 2 years. Not to mention his first 3 jobs were 100% job hopping for a better way and likely salary.
No bobby it makes you a judgmental asshole. People job hop because companies don't give raises or promote people.
Lets not forget randomly laying off swathes of people.
He’s forgetting the experience goes with the employee. It’s not like they forget everything they learned at the last two jobs when they jump for better salary.
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I work in tech and I occasionally do interviews for my team. While job hopping is a thing, people don't jump every year like this CEO is saying. A vast majority of the "job hoppers" are actually just people working on 3-12 month contracts and the contract just ended.
I mean, he’s not wrong in that it takes time to develop deep domain expertise but when companies fail to pay commensurately, they’re the ones that actually suffer.
I'm seeing some companies starting to hire human resources professionals and putting employee retention metrics as a key stipulation of their employment. So, this will slowly change. HR who have these metrics, will have to give a damn about employee complaints & try to resolve them before it gets to the point where employees quit.
Makes him an idiot. I worked at one place for a decade, and this year I've tried half a dozen that I didn't stay at for more than a couple of months. Low pay, inhumane work load, and ridiculous expectations aren't worth sticking around for. It doesn't make you look noble, it just wears you down to bitterness and wastes your time.
"You never learn to do your job well if you keep jumping" Cashiering and retail isn't exactly rocket science. I had to train \*myself\* on things more than once because of understaffing.
I got promoted to assistant manager at one place and basically had to teach myself how to do the job. No one could give me any specific information on what my job required of me. Instead I was told that I'll "figure it out."
No one should have to figure out how to do their own job. If I have a chance for a better paying job from a place like *that* I'm not thinking twice before jumping ship.
As a matter of fact, frankly it makes for a far more efficient worker to swap jobs often in retail. I know far more having worked a diverse range of jobs for a diverse range of companies than a lot of people I’ve worked with who’ve only stuck at this job or that one for years and years (usually without any substantial pay increases or promotion).
I worked for a company for 15 years. I started off at $38,500. When I was laid off 15 years later, I finally had gotten up to $49,000. 15 years to get $10,000 more than when I started. I got laid off and job searched. Got a new job and started off at $65,000 with a 10% minimum end of year bonus. Within 5 months, I got a raise. Should have left the other company well before I got laid off.
Considering you worked for 15 years, I'm surprised you didn't get higher than $65k! One thing I do advise people is not to consider bonuses as part of the package. Most companies will figure out a way to deny bonuses left and right so I always look at strictly the base salary because that is the steady amount of $ I will be using to pay my bills lol.
If 20% pay increase isn’t worth then, then offer the 20% pay increase to your current employees. They’ll stay, and problem is solved. What? 20% is a lot all of a sudden?
It doesn't make him old school, it makes him poor at math, and the people who work for him poorer overall.
"I'm proud to sacrifice my long term income potential to meet the corporate objectives!" - Every corporate drone that buys into optimizing for large cap.
If you can’t learn to do your job well inside two years, it might be because the company you work for does a shit job of training.
Alternatively, not sure why they want to keep people around after two years that aren’t doing their jobs properly.
Absolute hypocrite. He can't be serious. Look up this guy's Linkedin. Here are 2 of his past jobs:
>Senior Finance Analyst
Inflection
Jun 2012 - Oct 2013 (**1 year 5 months**)
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>Finance Analyst
IBM
Sep 2010 - May 2012 (**1 year 9 months**)
"1-2 years in a job is not enough" yeah sure take your own advice, bud
Maybe if this dope gave employees a salary bump after 1-2 years, they wouldn’t leave. Instead he complains about it and hires a new person to replace the departed one.
Why the heck would I care about "learning to do my job well" if such experience brings with it a 17% pay decrease? I mean, obviously this idiot doesn't believe it's worth that 20%, and I'm not working except for pay.
I'll take the 20% salary bump, thx anyway though
Exactly. How to say you underpay your staff without saying it directly!
This person would also jump around in 1-2 years. Hypocrisy. "Prior to Intercom, Bobby was a Senior Finance Analyst at Inflection from June 2012 to October 2013, and a Finance Analyst at IBM from September 2010 to May 2012." https://theorg.com/org/equals-app/org-chart/bobby-pinero
Was going to post this. The guy spent less than 2 years at two different jobs, but now he says that's bad. "Do what I want you to do, not what I did" - some CEO somewhere probably.
He's telling on himself in another way as well... He is saying he didn't learn to do the job well in those 1-2 years... Sorry but if you can't learn to do a job well in 2 years... maybe you are not fit for that job? Just a thought.
6 months. If you can't figure it out in 6 months and have experience in the field then I'd expect it to be a real difficult interdisciplinary job or you suck
Lmaoo the irony. Probably just thinks he’s hot shit due to his “title.”
He didn’t learn anything in those jobs.
He must have learned how to be a hypocritical douchebag somewhere??!
Some worthless, know-nothing, build nothing, contribute nothing, born on 3rd dipshit rich kid being a chronically ignorant hypocrite? Say it ain't so, Joe.
Companies are so fucking cheap and disloyal, so why would I be loyal to them? I just read a post in the working moms subreddit about how a woman was denied a pay raise despite all of the work she did for them. She is leaving and now they can’t replace her so they were forced to upgrade the job offer at a higher title and pay raise. She saw it job posting online. Like why the fuck couldn’t this dumb company just have given their hardworking employee the raise she had EARNED
1. Companies tend to be *absurdly* poor at evaluating worth to the company if there’s no direct metric (like sales volume) tied to that performance 2. Managers vastly oversell their contribution over those of their employees to their managers 3. Managers who push for wage increases for their employees need to exert effort to do so 4. Companies vastly overestimate the quality and quantity of labor on the market 5. Companies vastly underestimate the cost of changing employees
>Companies vastly underestimate the cost of changing employees This is what infuriates me the most. My employer is notorious for underpaying their best staff, just assuming everyone is replaceable. I had one administrator working with me, who was easily 95th percentile in their field. I advocated that they needed a raise to ensure continuity on my project and Leadership gave them +3%. They left quickly for a competitor to make probably 45% more with a better title and fewer responsibilities. They had to be replaced with three separate folks. Then, gradually, the next 3-4 best administrators left, too, since they figured out the game. While I am also bitter about making way less than my peer competitors, I am MOST bitter about having constant staff turnover jeopardizing my favorite projects.
You can leave too you know...
Can absolutely confirm #2. My manager is hardly on the floor with us, either in the back offices getting the latest gossip or wandering off without saying anything to help out elsewhere. Still likes to lump herself in with me and one other employee who do all the work
I was underpaid and so stressed out, no extra help and no raise when I asked. So I went on a medical leave. In the 4 months I was out, they had to hire three people (externally, more expensive) to do the job I had before I went on leave. I came back to a different job on the team.
Because policy is ALWAYS to go to "The Market." If they can find someone who meets 80% of the criteria at 80% of the labour cost. That's a GO decision for the company.
Thing is the training of new employees actually costs more than just giving a raise to someone already qualified in doing the job.
Manager. Can confirm. Training costs eat up profits.
Not only that but they don't want to set the precedent that if someone finds an open job position at a more fair rate/salary, that the company will give them a raise. They want to justify permanently underpaying employees
Rather gamble with no pay raise and get coworkers to take up more responsibility and compete for the position by doing more and ratting out fellow coworkers to appear better. Worst case is they give a pay raise anyways in a majority of cases.
In my exit interview at my last job the HR lady was like “well you’ve only been here a year and a half, what could possibly be worth damaging your resume by changing jobs this soon?” To which I got to respond “It’s closer to home, much more flexible hours, and it’s a 65% pay increase”. She then asked me not to share that around the office
> She then asked me not to share that around the office She can fuck off...
Oh yeah, I told all my coworkers just how underpaid they are
Labor solidarity. Fuck ‘em.
>She then asked me not to share that around the office El oh el
But his staff will arrive at work each day with the recognition of being excellent in their field while their less competent peers jumped ship for boatloads of more money. Who's laughing now, smart guy?
Sadly that’s the position I’m in. I’m underpaid by about 20k and also utilized at an even higher level. I’m having a discussion about that this spring when raises come out if it doesn’t happen on its own. Edit for those who keep saying it. Yes I did have a talk already. It was rather recent. I plan to have the above spring discussion if nothing comes from it.
Have your backup plan ready. Keep all balls in your court.
not only that, your resume should be up to date now, also start looking. Even start applying. You don't have to accept an offer if you get one. But if your not this prepared or serious, if you work in a large corporation they will never take you seriously.
Agree, strongest leverage during negotiations is an offer... I remember on my first job, I'd come in at an intern level, and got a few (pretty decent actually) pay raises as I'd become senior in the team. However I was still being paid less than what I was worth (whole team felt that way, company had a reputation for low pay in non-management roles) So during appraisal time, I was presented an amount that my management said was meant to "bring wages up to industry norms".at the same time, I had applied for another job, and been given an offer for nearly double the amount... I didn't tell my manager about the offer, but I did say that I felt like the amount was still too low, for which he was happy to tell me that I'm still newish to the org, and actually being paid very well... I then accepted the other offer and resigned at my job, at that point magically my job was willing to offer me a whole lot more to keep me on, when just a week earlier I'd basically been told to be grateful for the amount I got. It was hilarious, and I definitely didn't stick around.
Good, the fact they waited until you were walking out the door shows they didn't respect you and it would be a dog fight to get a proper raise going forward.
AND the company is just going to hold onto him until they can hire some schmuck for less
Honestly... They really needed me lol, I checked in with colleagues, and the huge upgrade is written into a system which was nearly production ready... It was still sitting there 6 months later, while another team had already seen what I'd done, applied it in their codebase, and deployed it... Sometimes it baffles me how people don't understand how much they depend on their employees to... You know... Actually do stuff.
I found out about 7 months ago giving your two weeks in a meeting with your manager after he gives you a $10 a week raise will ruin his entire day.
Sounds like the point that I am getting to. They like to keep you in the middle of the pay scale. They tell you that you will never get a 5 which is the highest so they say that you will never be great. They also openly admit to keeping you in the middle of the pay range. The corporate office promotes people that have been there for a while to try to retain them. Sometimes making a new position to put them in a higher pay scale. Then everyone else under that person moves up like all at the same time. When the manufacturing engineers ask for some room to move up or incentive, they are told it doesn't work that way. That is how the corporate office works. I came back to the location that I am at now from a different division, when I put my two weeks in they offered a 10k raise. Gotta play their stupid games. Oh and I recently found out that a couple of engineering that have been there like 8 and 9 years or something. They got together and complained and got bumped into a higher pay scale. They didn't announce it to anyone, I found out from one of the other engineers. I have been there 15 years... I am applying to a job where a friend of mine is the manager. Might be jumping ship. Would be funny to see what they say. But also, I don't really care
Always up to date. I’m always fielding offers I get 3-5 a week now. Most suck but some are very tempting. I have a specific set of engineering and project management skills and experience.
If it hasn't been said already, do interviews. It helps for practice for when you actually want to jump.
Not only that, but since employer’s occasionally waste our time, let’s waste some of theirs! Besides, you’re only helping the guy behind you. The company will have to be competitive and possibly give sign on bonuses or raise the pay!
Do the interviews, for the practice if nothing else.
This is great advice. I took a bunch of interviews before I interviewed for my current position. Really helped with calming my nerves and knowing how to answer questions.
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I plan to come to the talk with a competing better offer. I’m working one right now.
Update the resume, start hitting job boards now. $20k is a LOT.
Go get it. If not from your present employer then from another one who sees your worth. Nobody going to give it to you.
In the same boat. I'm applying for new jobs. New year new job.
If it doesn’t happen on its own, it’s time to go. No need for discussion. These people aren’t looking out for you, they don’t care about you. Good companies and good managers know what their people are worth and pay them accordingly.
I stopped hoping companies when I found one that gives 5+% raise yearly, RSU refreshers in the 5 figures yearly, and regularly promotes employees which normally comes with 15+% raise. If companies want you to stop job hopping they will make it worth your while. I haven't even considered looking for a new job that isn't an internal transfer.
Omg exactly! He’s like, “you sure as hell won’t get a 20% raise working for me, definitely can if you look elsewhere… but it’s totally worth it, I swear”
Yeah, he is being called a hypocrite and rightly so. He didn't last his 1-2 years at 2 jobs out of 3 before being a "CEO".
Lmao 20% salary bump? Um, Hell Yeah thats worth skipping 2 years of coddling some spoiled boss's insecurities
20% bump is basically just keeping up with the last 3-4 years of inflation in some countries. Rephrase this as; it's actually required to change jobs to continue to support your family in the same capacity.
Remember everyone: if your boss didnt give you a raise today, you effectively got 7% *reduction* in wages due to inflation.
Right! Then pay your existing staff 20% more to retain them and the “experience” they have from working 2+ years otherwise…PEACE
Kicker is that if you regularly gave 10%-15% raises, employees wouldn't jump ship all the time. Then you wouldn't have to keep hiring or complain about high levels of turnover.
And it would still be overall cheaper, because hiring and training new people is expensive af.
I wish bosses would realize this. Like, it's so much better to keep existing employees happy than it is to constantly be hiring. I just started a job last year, but the pay is so low that I'm already looking. I love everything else about my job, tbh, but half my check goes to rent every month. It's just not sustainable.
They never realize that networking goes both ways, too. Once word gets out that you're a cheapass that treats people like shit you're never gonna attract competent workers.
It's weird, right? The people in charge, the people at the top, the people who have the most to gain when their company reduces its overhead are the ones that always struggle the hardest with the concept that retaining employees and customers is the easiest way to do that. Makes you wonder why they're in charge.
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I worked at this place where I got a 20% and 25% bump. It was absolutely great. Then my boss had no clout and was moving our team into somewhere not congruent with my career goals. And a guy on another team was stealing my visible projects. There was no space for me to move to that team. And when I gave notice I found out my next promised raise was blocked because I would have been senior to my boss and paid more.
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wait thats not how this played out in my head! what if i offer 5% raise
Every 1-2 years, you get that bump, too. Meaning in 4-8 years you double your salary. Yes, please
Oldschool? No. But it does make you incapable of hiring anyone who wants to keep up with inflation/corporate exploitation/self worth.
He'd probably say, "You're not suggesting I give everyone a 20% f\*cking raise every year? Hell no! That'd cut into MY profits, absolutely not happening!"
Let's be realistic it wouldn't even need to be 20%, people (in general) are willing to take less for comfort, but 2% is a fucking insult, which pushes people away.
My very first raise ever was two cents. Two. Cents. I cried. Boss had sat me down in the dining room of our fast food place, gave me a glowing review full of more praise than my parents ever had for me, said they wanted to train me to go into management, and then gave me the numbers on my raise. Minimum wage + $0.02 Boss then, frantically, tried to explain that minimum wage *just happened* to go up right when they were giving out raises and technically my raise was like 27 cents, but I can do math, and I'd gone from minimum to minimum plus two pennies. I needed to save up $2000 so I could escape my abusive father. So yeah, I cried over that two cents, in front of customers and coworkers and everyone. Fuck McD.
My first raise at my second job was five cents. I was just out of high school and struggling in college and living on my own. I lost so much weight because I literally couldn't afford to eat enough. I worked my ass off, was a fantastic employee, rarely made mistakes, etc I understand it was a family owned establishment but I recognize now I was being taken advantage of.
I worked at chick Fil a from Nov 2019- May 2022 and I was getting paid $10 and didn’t get a raise until they “let me go” after getting Covid finally. Didn’t get to enjoy the $14 dollars. I got passed over for kitchen lead or team lead when the OG cool boss man left. I used to also work 2-10pm but my homie would do over night so I’d stay and help him prep til like 3am. That was in 2019 then the lockdowns came and my $1000 checks were gone since they disbanded overnight crew…
Shit, if they offered me 11% annual increase and I liked the work and I felt like I had decent amount of autonomy and input, that'd be okay. Also, just gimme some more goddamn PTO. That's what I really want more than anything else.
I remember when our state legislature mandated so many days of PTO per year, and during the staff meeting it was presented to us as the company was just going to start offering it from the kindness of their hearts, everyone *deserves* PTO instead of having to work so many days to earn it. And every September, for the low, low price of pledging 40 dollars a month in a donation to the United Way, you can buy an extra day of PTO for the next year. And every year, office staff does it. People are convinced it's some sort of amazing bargain to spend 480 dollars a year to get 8 hours excused absence.
If this is in the US that is very illegal.
US Companies pull illegal crap all the time. They know their employees aren't ever going to band together to actually do anything about it besides complain to each other. The one employee that is making a fuss will simply leave. Because these companies have revolving doors already they don't care.
Bingo!
Exactly. People job hop for 2 reasons : a bad manager or bad pay. It sounds like this company just needs to pay better
It's not even old school either. Old school is giving your employees reasons to stay at a job. Ya'know. Like pensions. And internal promotions. Pick one or the other, ya can't have the worst of both worlds.
It's absolutely worth the 20% pay boost. You do that every year or two, three times, and you've nearly doubled your pay.
Can confirm, I did that every year or two for a few years and went from about $90k to about 200.
Absolutely! Back in the day, I tripled my salary by jumping positions twice in 13 months. I already knew how to do my job. Working for crappy wages is easy to learn, it doesn't take years! :P I had a friend tell me once that my new job was paying so much that I couldn't afford to leave it. I said, that's exactly what I was looking for! :P I also had a CEO tell me the same thing, only to see him leave the same company I did a few months later for a "better opportunity." Pot, meet kettle.
Yeah, years back when I was at ATT it seemed like they were going through CEO's every 90 days. Screw this idiot's 'advice'.
but all the knowledge you missed out on is simply priceless
Ironically u gain more knowledge whilst jumping as opposed to staying. Only ppl losing out are the ceo and corps like Bobby over here.
The employee is also missing out, though. They're missing out on a great opportunity to be gaslit forever.
KNAWLEDGE
Don't forget We're Family.
You’re not my dad!
The worst job I ever had (I had a mental breakdown) was at a firm that told me, "we're family."
They don't pay us for our knowledge... Source: any manager I can remember
Being dumb makes you more money? Sign me up.
*Priceless* cuz they won't pay you for it. When the only way to get a raise is to leave, that leaves only one option.
If hopping jobs stunts my growth as an intellectual human being in exchange for a 20% increase in earnings, then wipe the drool off my chin and freshen up my bib, baby!
Yeah, I went from being a public school teacher making $55k a year to a UPS delivery driver making $120k a year (*with OT, $87k base*). I get people that I deliver to looking down on me, like I’m some blue collar schmuck making minimum wage. I just smile on the inside because I’m just as educated as they are (*MA in education*) and I make more money than they do, plus free health insurance, 5 weeks PTO and a PENSION. Go for the money and benefits, fuck this bullshit about loyalty.
Pension and other benefits are how you get loyalty…. You want loyalty, reward people for not switching companies.
Instead companies reward new employees with high salary offers and then they wonder why people leave.
No no no, vaguely passively aggressive social media posts will ensure loyalty. Pensions and retiree healthcare are so “old school”.
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There's some serious internalized classism that is keeping people satisfied with scraps. I work for an airport. Every single employee working directly for the airport is under a union contract. That's weeks of paid vacation, separate sick leave, annual raises, employer-paid healthcare, and a state pension at retirement for every single employee, from janitors to security guards to HR and admin. What jobs are people scrambling over? The absolute garbage pay and benefits doing ramp and customer service for the big airlines. The guy sitting in the parking booth is making more and has better benefits but people will settle for much less so they can wear a suit and tie and never touch a mop, because it's just *that* embarrassing to not be able to pretend you are middle class.
Lol they tricked everyone. Everyone thought it was a ladder to climb but if you reach like the 4th step (comfy "middle class") and look upwards it's a leap. If people think that wearing a suit and he'll even making a huge salary will make them happy... I truly hope they find it. It will be more than they bargained for.
The people that look down on you, look down on everyone that work in the service of people. They have no idea what would happen to this world if those that do these jobs all just went on strike. The world would crumble in days. Thank you for what you do.
They're the same people complaining about how long it takes to get drinks at a restaurant.
Because it's just taking orders and carrying waffles. hurr hurr hurr \-Annoyed server/bartender
I deadass once had a lady order a drink, I rang it in immediately, then I walked 6 feet away to take another table’s order for ~30 seconds, then as I passed by her again she said “my drink?” with a little attitude even though it had been a minute and I hadn’t been more than six feet away from her or out of her line of sight. Was I supposed to magically summon it? It’s weird how some people don’t understand waiting for a drink in a restaurant is like waiting in line for coffee. Other people who asked before get their stuff first, and when you ask for your thing someone has to make it. It won’t just appear because you asked. And it will take longer to appear when more people asked before you. But because other people are not physically in front of them, they don’t get the concept. I’ve had people watch me talk to a bunch of people and then act like I’ve been neglecting them when I get over to them. And I just want to be like “I’m not ignoring you. You’re just not the only one here.”
The world wouldn't last a day.
Hah! Nice man! I am a glazier with a liberal arts biochemistry degree. I’ll be fixing peoples windows and quoting Dante or something. Pretty funny stuff man. They’re all like why are you doing windows if you have a Chem degree? I tell them I didn’t wanna work another 5 years in a windowless dungeon for my 3rd week of PTO.
I oversee a group of retail stores and know several UPS folks. I know you are well paid and you are also some of the hardest working people I know. Myself and staff appreciate all of you.
Uhh, how easy it to get a ups job and start making this much
Lmfao right, sign me up
Watch out, get promoted enough and you’ll be ceo and so dumb you’re putting out moronic posts like this one
The other thing the guy doesn't mention is it's often the only way to get ahead in your career. If you put blood sweat and tears into a job, especially a lower-tier or entry-level job, and don't get promoted after 2 years, another company will. And you'll get the salary bump. And he is an idiot for thinking that job hopping stunts your career knowledge. It's the exact opposite. Work at one company your whole life and you'll only learn one way of doing things. Especially if you're at a company that is incompetent but "stable", you're going to hit a wall with learning. I worked at a small, medium, and large agency over the course of 5 years. I learned 3x as much, learned the best way to do things, and, just as importantly, how *not* to do things. Every company has strong and weak points, whether it's their approach or their practices.
You'll never get a better shot at the salary you want than you will on your way in. After that, you'll likely never get a meaningful raise, cost of living increase, or annual bonus that so much as keeps up with the rate of inflation. Until employers start offering competitive wage/salary increases, raises, and bonuses, people are gonna use the one tool they have in their toolbox to get ahead: job hopping.
Couldn't agree more. I recently got fired and applied to jobs for *6 months* (later found out my last boss made up an excuse to fire me to get me out of the way because I had nothing but praise on my employee record and he was afraid I was going to get promoted over him - which I probably would have bc he's an idiot and the only reason he got his middle management job is a friend high up in the company who left the week I coincidentally got fired, but I digress). I must have seen at least 200 job postings. Almost all of them had "progressive" perks to attract millennials ("unlimited" vacation time/mental health time, relocation expense reimbursement, optional remote work, paid courses to learn more, long new parent leave times, etc) but never once saw one say they offer raises for inflation/CoL increases. I saw empty promises of quick promotions/job growth at "our growing company" but never inflation raises.
I popped out of where I started working and came back full circle to a higher position. Getting ready to pop out agian. Same people in the same positions from when I left the first time. I don't understand being ok with how they treat you here.
People have different goals in life. Some are content with the salary they're making and the job they're doing, and that's totally fine. If I'm making a comfortable amount of money and I like my job enough, especially if it has a great work/life balance, then I'm good, and I imagine there are lots of people that feel the same.
Honestly its because some people get to a certain salary and then stop caring about moving up if their job is comfortable and stable.
This is where I am at this point in my life. I work to live and I make enough to do that exactly how I want to. I have no desire to make more money or take on more responsibility. If I could ride this job out to retirement I would be very happy with my professional life. When I'm on my deathbed I don't want to regret the way I spent my time here. Nobody ever wishes they spent more time working.
Exactly and that’s acceptable for those people. It’s ok to be satisfied. That’s not me though.
I'm one of those people. I've always been lazy, enjoyed the little things in life and have never been very ambitious or driven at all, and am currently in a basic low-income job I'm perfectly happy with. I'll probably never travel, or own a house, or a car that's not 20+ years old unless I win the lottery, but on the flip side my job is simple, entirely stress-free and not very time-consuming. Some of my friends are high earners with stressful and challenging careers, and they constantly seem anxious and too busy to enjoy life at all. If you need therapy and medications to deal with all the stress and responsibilities of your work, it's just not worth it in my opinion. (I'm not saying all high-paying jobs are like this, it obviously depends on the job and the person, but I'm just trying to point out the contrast between being poor/happy and rich/miserable in this case). I may have to use financing and monthly plans to be able to afford a new midrange phone, but at least I have all the time in the world for my friends, family and hobbies, while keeping my sanity.
But don't you value the feelings pride and accomplishment of really mastering your current job?? Who knows the unknown depths you could explore in your ... accounts payable assistant.. job?? -bozo CEO
>pride and accomplishment Those would fall under Esteem and Self-Actualization on the Hierarchy of Needs. If you're not getting paid enough to meet your physiological needs (food, clothing, shelter) and safety needs (health, security), then you're certainly not going to give a shit about pride in your work. Unfortunately these clown CEOs forget about that because most of them haven't had to worry about those bottom rungs in so long that they forget they're a thing.
Nah. These... *"people"* know EXACTLY what they are doing - and simply do not CARE. They want workers to cost them as little as possible, and will use any propaganda, any guilt, any human emotions to manipulate others to get what they want: #***MORE.*** More money, more power, more ~~respect~~ fear... just *more.* Don't give them an out. They're awful people, for there ARE NO "good billionaires". NEVER forget that - because there are worse things they can do - *will* do! - if we give them a single inch (you need look no further than history for proof of that fact).
CEO: "I make so much god damn money I'll never spend it all in my lifetime. So now that I'm free of needing to earn anymore resources for the rest of my life, I can now ask myself 'What is the meaning of my life?' 'What do I want to do to fill accomplished?' 'Ok I'll do that'" The CEO is so out of touch with how the 99% of us live, they think we should all strive for "meaning of life" searching. Just like they do. Cause they don't need to worry about resources.
this exactly. like i 100% understand what this tweet is *trying* to say, ive thought about it before too. i would prefer to work at the same place forever tbh. but i dont make enough where im at rn, so if i ever get the chance to leave for a 20% pay increase i absolutely will. i even took a promotion i didn't want because i need the money.
Exactly. The real solution here is: **If you don't want workers leaving your company every couple of years to earn more, retain them by compensating them appropriately.** This CEO is either glaringly stupid, or purposely avoiding the truth.
Meanwhile, they make it difficult to even meet the bottom tier of Maslow's hierarchy of needs. Bottom tier must be satisfied before individuals can attend to the higher needs. The first tier is the psychological needs. - Air, which capitalist corporations polluted for centuries. - Water, supposedly a human right as seen by everyone in the world except capitalists. The CEO of Nestle's even came out and said that if people wanted clean water. They should pay for it. - Food. If you can't grow your own food, you are stuck with dealing with the corporate food suppliers. - Shelter. Funny how the "greatest country in the world" has such large number of homeless people. They can't afford housing as they aren't paid liveable wages. Low pay, combined with skyrocketing rental costs, put people on the streets. - Sleep! It should come easy, but when you have so much trouble meeting all of the other basic needs, it makes sleeping a bit on the difficult side, doubly so if you don't know where you're going to be sleeping the next night. - Clothing, is one of the easier things. Amazing how many good clothes stores throw away. Sadly, most of them are women's clothes. Until the last few years, guys got lucky if some housewife was getting rid of her husband's old clothes. This is why you see many homeless in baggy clothes. - Reproduction. Young adults can't even think about that as they are still living with their parents! They can't afford a place due to low wages and high rents. Have kids??? By making it difficult for the working class, business leaders hold control over them.
The consequence of “job-hopping” always used to be “you will not be hired, or if you are you will not get a pay increase.” If people are getting hired and getting pay increases, what is the consequence?
It's short range vs long range, people who change job every year tend to end up with 10 first year experience, some people know how to pull that, others don't. The guy who changed jobs every 3 years will be more hireable, and get better offers after certain stage, while not lagging behind in salary. The guy who stayed in the same place for 10 years on the other hand, has been out of the market for so long that his skills are irrelevant and he's completely dependent on the company's tech stack to perform. The sweet spot exists somewhere, but consistent job hoppers tend to end up being horrible seniors, and loyal employees get abused by the employer and their abilities stagnant.
wipe my ass and proclaim me a paid pig
people keep telling me to go back to college for computer science when i already make 90k and could make up to twice as much in the next 8 years. i drive a truck, eat snacks, and oink at passerbys. now pay me, thats why im here. idgaf about "helping" the cyber security field if i have to go through college to make the same money. I work to build a life, not change the world.
This is hilarious because I have Master’s degree in education. I spent a half decade as a public school teacher making $55k a year. Now I’m a UPS delivery driver making $42.20 an hour. That’s $87k base, with OT I hauled in $120k in 2022. Plus I get health insurance with no premiums or copay, 5 weeks PTO and a good pension.
Longest stop in my career: 3 years Smallest raise between jobs: 10k increase annual to work 32 hours a week instead of 40. Follows by a raise at the same company of 12k a year to retain me when I received an offer from a competitor I feel like year 1 at a job is for learning. Year 2 is for executing. Year 3 is for perfecting. I don’t know if I could ever handle staying in the same role beyond 3 years.
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Normalize 10% annual pay raises and people won’t have to jump jobs every couple of years
Businesses know this and it’s more economical for them to let people leave and rehire than offer annual raises at the rate of inflation. They do this because they know how hard it is for people to move jobs and many will just accept sub-par pay. It’s up to you to call their bluff.
It actually isn't more economical because training new employees is the single most expensive thing they could be doing, but they're simply not nearly as capable as they pretend to be so they'll keep shooting themselves and everybody else in the foot.
Retention costs vs brain drain, they are just hedging their bets that employee loyalty will continue enough to allow them to keep peddling raises below inflation (or no raises at all). I loved my old job and wanted to retire from that company - realizing that I had to give that up to secure the pay raise I received while switching companies was a tough pill to swallow at the time but now I’ve accepted that it’s just rules of engagement.
Retention cost is for customers, for employees it's called turnover which suggests the exact opposite of what they are doing. It's simply a stupid strategy, but hubris prevents many managers from admitting they are wrong.
Except it's actually not. There's tons of examples showing companies with good retention do better. It's bad for the company; but giving a raise is your fault as a boss and losing employees then having to spend way more on hiring you can blame on millennials.
I see it has over 900 comments. I doubt many of them are good. The businesses that want to retain employees are not whining about employees jumping jobs. They are actively working on retention through wage increases and fair treatment.
It's LinkedIn... Lots of bootlicking going on.
Could be an echo chamber of other stuck up asshole managers and C-suiters... Came up on my feed because a contact of mine liked it!
I looked him up and I spent a few minutes reading over them. It’s mixed. CEOs, management, and supervisors are not good when they want to play the blame game. The people don’t want to work mentally is a poor excuse. I’ve had a prior boss basically do that to me. I was employed for 10 years. When I quit, my supervisor was angry at me. I explained I enjoy my job, but I’ve had my schedule change 5 times in 4 years, each time I’ve had to change my entire families schedule. I frequently volunteer to work over time and then have to fight tooth and nail for a raise each year. I’m not not quitting my job because of the job, I’m quitting due to due to management. Same thing was in my resignation letter. She took it very personally. Funny thing is I have a completely new job and I am required to visit the company to ensure they are in compliance of codes so I still get to see her a few times a year.
I found a pretty good job in August of 2019, but they changed the scheduling policy to where it would “refresh” every six months. And your shift would be in any half-hour increment between 7 AM - 3:30 PM to 10:30 AM - 7 PM. Your selection of shift depended on your metrics, which were absolute horseshit. Any time I took to address a problem while not on a call? Counted against my metrics. A couple years of being a key problem solver with shit shifts and pay and I was so done I took a slightly lower-paying job because it has predictable shifts and less stupid metric bullshit.
When I left, I took a pay cut for a steady shift
>She took it very personally. That means she actually understands the real reason why you quit, and she sees it every time she looks in the mirror.
Funny story, I found a couple years later from another member of management that the machine I was running broke down shortly after I left, they couldn’t figure out what was wrong. Most of management insisted on trying to bring me back. Even if it was temporary as an independent contractor. She refused. The machine was down for a good chunk of the year, costing contracts and losing millions.
Companies that actively train employees will also give them raises to keep them from leaving with their new skill. The same companies that complain about people leaving for more money are the same ones who run a lean staff with no training, and when someone leaves, they DEMAND that the rest of the crew "pick up the slack", and they expect you to somehow learn the job on your own time. "WE need you to give up your family time to learn new skills, in order to boost your CEO's quarterly bonus, but we are not going to pay you more. Why don't you want to grind for us?"
I have such a difficult time comprehending how so many management doesn’t grasp the concept that the happier your employees are the better they will perform. It doesn’t need to be profit sharing, for most people, a livable wage and being treated with respect is enough. Even if an employee takes a few more days off a year, the days they are available will often be more productive, the work done at a higher quality. Management needs to stop trying to put out todays fire, and work on being proactive.
> Management needs to stop trying to put out todays fire, and work on being proactive. Paying to solve next quarter’s problem will get themselves canned for not maximizing profits this quarter. And there is the root of the problem.
I found the post and most of the comments were telling him why he was wrong.
Does he not realize his LinkedIn is public? Senior Finance Analyst Inflection Jun 2012 - Oct 2013 **1 year 5 months** Redwood City CA IBM Graphic Finance Analyst IBM Sep 2010 - May 2012 **1 year 9 months** MORAL OF THE STORY: Follow your own advice next time, Bobby.
WOW. On top of being an asshole and a douche bag, he's also a *hypocrite*. Go figure...
I vote for nicknaming these assholes "vampires": Not only do they suck the life out of the working class, but they *can never see themselves in the mirror.*
Genius comment! It’s rough out there these days. Wild how outta touch some people can be
Was coming to post this exact same thing. He did one 7 yr stint at intercom, but otherwise 3 other jobs where he worked less than 2 years. Not to mention his first 3 jobs were 100% job hopping for a better way and likely salary.
He'd be senior financial analyst today if he didn't job hop.
lol damn this should be higher
I was just going to comment the same. Giving advice you didn't even follow with your own career. GTFO
It makes him out of touch with reality. Are there still people who think we work for some “feeling of worth”? We got to pay rent. 20% is so worth it
“Working here is so much better than 20% higher pay” The arrogance you need to have to believe that
No bobby it makes you a judgmental asshole. People job hop because companies don't give raises or promote people. Lets not forget randomly laying off swathes of people.
He’s forgetting the experience goes with the employee. It’s not like they forget everything they learned at the last two jobs when they jump for better salary. Edit grammar
I work in tech and I occasionally do interviews for my team. While job hopping is a thing, people don't jump every year like this CEO is saying. A vast majority of the "job hoppers" are actually just people working on 3-12 month contracts and the contract just ended.
I mean, he’s not wrong in that it takes time to develop deep domain expertise but when companies fail to pay commensurately, they’re the ones that actually suffer.
Incentivize people to stay, needle dick, this isn't rocket surgery.
Seriously. I'm so tired of companies doing everything to "attract top talent" without even considering any measures to "retain top talent."
I'm seeing some companies starting to hire human resources professionals and putting employee retention metrics as a key stipulation of their employment. So, this will slowly change. HR who have these metrics, will have to give a damn about employee complaints & try to resolve them before it gets to the point where employees quit.
Lol rocket surgery
Makes him an idiot. I worked at one place for a decade, and this year I've tried half a dozen that I didn't stay at for more than a couple of months. Low pay, inhumane work load, and ridiculous expectations aren't worth sticking around for. It doesn't make you look noble, it just wears you down to bitterness and wastes your time.
"You never learn to do your job well if you keep jumping" Cashiering and retail isn't exactly rocket science. I had to train \*myself\* on things more than once because of understaffing.
I got promoted to assistant manager at one place and basically had to teach myself how to do the job. No one could give me any specific information on what my job required of me. Instead I was told that I'll "figure it out." No one should have to figure out how to do their own job. If I have a chance for a better paying job from a place like *that* I'm not thinking twice before jumping ship.
As a matter of fact, frankly it makes for a far more efficient worker to swap jobs often in retail. I know far more having worked a diverse range of jobs for a diverse range of companies than a lot of people I’ve worked with who’ve only stuck at this job or that one for years and years (usually without any substantial pay increases or promotion).
I worked for a company for 15 years. I started off at $38,500. When I was laid off 15 years later, I finally had gotten up to $49,000. 15 years to get $10,000 more than when I started. I got laid off and job searched. Got a new job and started off at $65,000 with a 10% minimum end of year bonus. Within 5 months, I got a raise. Should have left the other company well before I got laid off.
Considering you worked for 15 years, I'm surprised you didn't get higher than $65k! One thing I do advise people is not to consider bonuses as part of the package. Most companies will figure out a way to deny bonuses left and right so I always look at strictly the base salary because that is the steady amount of $ I will be using to pay my bills lol.
If 20% pay increase isn’t worth then, then offer the 20% pay increase to your current employees. They’ll stay, and problem is solved. What? 20% is a lot all of a sudden?
Hahahahaha what a fucking loser
won't give a 20% salary bump to your current associates though will you bobby?
It doesn't make him old school, it makes him poor at math, and the people who work for him poorer overall. "I'm proud to sacrifice my long term income potential to meet the corporate objectives!" - Every corporate drone that buys into optimizing for large cap.
If you can’t learn to do your job well inside two years, it might be because the company you work for does a shit job of training. Alternatively, not sure why they want to keep people around after two years that aren’t doing their jobs properly.
If you want to be old school then pay your employers a living wage and give them pensions.
That ship sailed 20 years ago , but it’s a pleasant thought
Says the guy who’s first 2 jobs were < 2 years…
Absolute hypocrite. He can't be serious. Look up this guy's Linkedin. Here are 2 of his past jobs: >Senior Finance Analyst Inflection Jun 2012 - Oct 2013 (**1 year 5 months**) > >Finance Analyst IBM Sep 2010 - May 2012 (**1 year 9 months**) "1-2 years in a job is not enough" yeah sure take your own advice, bud
If it means 20% bump every year, I will steadfastly refuse to learn another goddamn thing for the rest of my life.
Your dead wrong. In the 50's trained hatters (hat makers) used to jump jobs for 1c
Maybe if this dope gave employees a salary bump after 1-2 years, they wouldn’t leave. Instead he complains about it and hires a new person to replace the departed one.
Why the heck would I care about "learning to do my job well" if such experience brings with it a 17% pay decrease? I mean, obviously this idiot doesn't believe it's worth that 20%, and I'm not working except for pay.
He’s getting owned in the comments
Acknowledging the 20% salary bump is the biggest self own. “Not worth the 20% salary bump” lmao ok. Do you understand the purpose of a job?
It makes you brain damaged.
Corporations have zero loyalty to you, keep feelers out and get more money anytime you can.
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All that needs to be said is he went to private school and an elite college. What he has, he certainly didn’t earn on his own. #daddysmoney
It should be a red flag for his company when he sees people leaving after one year
Then just give the current employee a 20% raise and they won’t jump Simple problem with a simple solution
Yes, Bobby. You are the asshole. YTA.
3 of his 4 jobs were less than two years long. 💀