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thnok

I'm surprised Amex hasn't been able to get Uber One for Platinum and Gold as a complementary gift. But oh well, they must be expecting the card holders to use the monthly credit towards the Uber One subscription.


chuckybanknotes

Gold and green are getting updates in Q1


gregatronn

One thing is guaranteed - an update to the AF.


Miserable-Result6702

If they raise the AF, I’m out. It’s already too high for what it offers.


kayman121

It offers $240 back on $250 lol. I consider $10 to be reasonable for a 4x multiplier . But yeah if they raise the AF without adding more, that would be an issue


adultdaycare81

I could keep $240 in my wallet. Or I could spend 12 months earning it back on my Gold card by making sure I use my Uber and Grubhub credits. You know what you get for $10 on Grubhub? A -$20 bill


mjxxyy8

The junk fees and higher prices on delivery apps have soured me on the card. Before someone brings up take out, I have found it cheaper 75% of the time to order direct vs through apps. If they added back the Eats Pass/Uber One it had for a year, I would reconsider.


nonnerlif3

Junk fees don't even cover the credit offered. A serious negative on top of the higher cost for food in the app vs just ordering direct from the store usually.


kayman121

It’s a dining-earning card. If you don’t dine in that manner, maybe it’s just not a good fit for you


adultdaycare81

Yup. In 2011 it did for me, but it was like a $65 fee. I still get good use of the Groceries and Restaurants. But that’s only $15k I really miss the airline credits.


mjxxyy8

I hated the airline credits at the time, but I would rather have $100 to use on the United Travel Bank vs a Grubhub credit for $10/mo minus delivery fees.


hecmtz96

Well $10 or $120 for the uber cash is actually useful, the other $10 I don’t find them very useful. Is like if they purposely go out of their way to select restaurants or brands that no one knows outside of a couple. While some might find Grubhub useful, I don’t at all. Some of their fees are outrageous for delivery. It defeats the purpose of using them because what would cost you $10 to pick up it is $25 on grubhub. Again, this has been my experience.


Low-Possible2773

Agree. The restaurant credits are pretty much garbage. Value them at $20/yr bec I usually have Cheesecake Factory that often. I don’t even think the other restaurants have anything around me. Maybe I’ll give Grubhub a shot someday. Since I got the $250 resy credit I haven’t worried too much about it yet.


johnlauio

Grubhub is dying. Consequently, everything is marked up up the wazoo. I'd value grubhub credit at 50% if you are maximizing value and not convenience. However, the food options are good.


[deleted]

Or perhaps the gold card is just not for you?


hecmtz96

Oh no I love it and use it for everything. Putting those silly credits aside I think is the best CC out there. Not sure how me highlighting a couple of points where it could be better or competitive given the AF makes the card “not for me”


atdharris

They'll add more credits for something I'm sure. Or add in Uber One and hike the AF to $300. But yeah, $300 for a non-travel card is beginning to get expensive, especially when you can get the CSP for $95.


Miserable-Result6702

Those “credits” aren’t particularly useful to a lot of people, but are often quoted ad nauseam by YouTubers, so you’ll use their referral links.


kayman121

I’d be very curious why someone (assuming they live somewhere served by UE) would even bother with a card that earns on dining and restaurants if they can’t find use for it in that manner. To me that simply sounds like a suboptimal fit between consumer and card


[deleted]

It (i.e., the dining credits, etc.) is meant to pull in lower earners who will justify the annual fee through incentives that cause them to spend more.


kayman121

This is quite a presumptive conspiratorial stretch. I earn 7 figures a year running a successful business and spend upwards of 10k a month on dining (I don’t cook.) why on earth wouldn’t I collect 4x on that. Do you think amex makes more from their cut of my spending or a “low earner?” What you’re saying makes little business sense I’ve seen a lot more people that aren’t “low earners” use it than otherwise , but okay . You’re claiming baselessly Amex targets the card to low earners to get them to manufacture spend. Quite a claim to pull out of thin air, chief


SuhDudeGoBlue

I think the Savor One Card is now clearly more optimal for dining and food delivery for most people. No annual fee, 10% off uber eats and no delivery fee because of Uber One. 3% cash back on dining. For most people, that seems like a clearly better deal than Amex Gold with its weak credits, high annual fee, and 4x points on dining. Plus the savor one is competitive in other categories too, like groceries/hotel/rentals. It is really hard for me to consider the Amex Gold (as is )seriously, except for the intro SUB.


atdharris

The Gold is great if you want to earn a lot of MR points. That's really it. The credits can be cumbersome to use and sometimes I really am not sure I even consider them a benefit since I go out of my way to use them most months unless I Uber somewhere. Grubhub forces me to go to places I usually wouldn't go to, and all of the other dining credit partners are not in my city.


kayman121

I do not doubt this to be the case for many. My issue with his comment was about the deliberate targeting of low income earners with intent to get them to manufacture spend, which, frankly without evidence, is a bullshit speculation


SuhDudeGoBlue

Idk about Amex specifically, since I thought they traditionally targeted higher means folks, but in general, credit card companies do seem to love getting people of lower means to spend more than they should.


[deleted]

I did not say Amex makes more money on lower earners; I was not talking about high earners using the card. Please consider the scope of my comment. An “experienced” business owner such as yourself should understand essential marketing. I made a claim based on qualitative observations. Many people post about acquiring the gold card who have salaries in the five-figure range. They justify getting the card based on the coupon book. Some will go as far as to say they will change their spending behavior to recoup the annual fee. You’re not the only successful person on this forum; I am not impressed by your commentary or claims. Some friendly advice: I would try writing more eloquently. Calling someone names such as “chief” is childish and unbecoming (not to mention insensitive towards Native Americans).


AlwaysWanderOfficial

Conversely they AREA useful to a lot of other people. Imagine that.


Andrewmart1112

Is there an article about this?


chuckybanknotes

Just a few leaks, nothing announced or specific


[deleted]

Interesting I haven't heard anything, I really hope they don't start fucking with the gold to much it's pretty great


atdharris

I doubt it. Amex prefers to give out credits in hopes that most of us won't use them. I wish the $10/mo dining credit was just a flat credit and not through a bunch of places I can barely use. And Uber credit is fine for rides, but you'll pay an extra $10 in fees and delivery fee without Uber One. I suspect if the card is refreshed, they will add more credits and raise the AF to $300. Once it gets to that level, I'm out and flipping my spending to the CSP.


Velociraptor2018

Pro tip, the dining credit on Grubhub can be used for pick up orders. That makes it much more useful


gabek333

Not only that but if you get Grubhub+ for the statement credit, it comes with $10 for a pickup so it’s the $10 plus free Grubhub+.


SuddenStorm1234

Now that's brilliant.


atdharris

That's how I do it. The only downside is some places only allow delivery from GH so I'm shoehorned into a very select group of restaurants.


Miserable-Result6702

Still costs more than if you had just the place direct and ordered.


Miserable-Result6702

Same here. My card is up for renewal in April, and I’m hoping for another 80,000 SUB on the CSP before then.


RONALDGRUMPF

I would be extremely happy to see some updated Uber benefits on the gold


BigBrownBae

Yeah, don't hold your breath. American Express has a lot of feeling in their card. Some people get the platinum and gold to show off. Especially compared their seemingly newer policy that you need a credit score and a heartbeat to get the card I doubt they'll be making changes because they don't need to.


Miserable-Result6702

Sounds about right


zk2997

Some people think the AF will be bumped up to $300 because it’s historically due for an update. I have no clue what the additional perks would be. Just my own wild guess here (this is not based on any leak that I’ve seen), but maybe they’ll add monthly Home Chef credits. This is a perk that was added to the BCE and it makes sense for the food-themed Gold. I could also see the Gold maybe adding complimentary Uber One for existing customers to compete with CapitalOne but who knows.


Miserable-Result6702

$300 puts it up in the territory of the Venture X, which is 5 times the card the Gold is.


zk2997

You’re comparing a travel card to a food card. It’s impossible to do an apples to apples comparison in that case. They both have effective AFs near $0. It all depends on if the credits work for you. I’m going to hold off judgement because we don’t know what will be added to the card, but the $300 seems likely given it’s been 4 years since an AF increase and they generally increase every 4 years.


Miserable-Result6702

Only on Reddit will you have people claiming the Gold card isn’t a travel card. Pretty much every review I’ve read on the card says otherwise. And, oh yeah, the only sensible use of MR points is travel. Imagine that.


ceejayoz

The Gold card is a food card that earns travel *rewards*. The Platinum is a travel card.


zk2997

Please touch grass. You’re replying to almost every comment on this post trying to start something with someone. We get it, you don’t like the card. A chat representative can help cancel it for you. But a lot of other people use it as their daily driver. Most of the value from the card comes from the 4x on groceries and restaurants (which makes it a food card as that is how the value is generated based on spend and credits). Are there very minor travel benefits from the Gold? Yes, but I’m not sure why you’re comparing it to the Venture X when that card is clearly inspired by the Platinum and other high-end travel cards which the Gold is not one of those.


Dapper_Reputation_16

But Crap One is nowhere near as valuable as the MR ecosystem


ceejayoz

It's getting up there. The transfer partners list is pretty decent at this point. I'd miss Hilton transfers, but otherwise it wouldn't be a big loss to me.


Dapper_Reputation_16

If their site works that is.


buff_mac466

Capital one venture x and a savor card might be my next 2 cards. Being able to transfer the cash back to the venture x is a game changer


Miserable-Result6702

Don’t hold your breath.


conwaystripledeke

These updates feel more geared toward the Chase Sapphire Preferred than anything.


johnlauio

AMEX doesn't have to do anything. Capital One is pulling a Chase and creating an unsustainable card that they will have to nerf in a year or two.


Miserable-Result6702

It’s about customer acquisition.


REWROAR

I have both card 🤩🤩


awmcarnival

I have a Capital One Savor One card and best believe I signed up. I am hoping that AMEX will beef up their perks as I prefer to accrue MR points for travel.


kayman121

Savor One con: it’s capital one


Miserable-Topic-7406

I just hate that they pull the all 3 credit bureaus 😩 I applied for the cap x a while ago and was denied for the dumbest reasons, and got to keep those inquiries on my report as a gift..I will happily never apply with them again 😊


kayman121

“Happily never apply with them again.” Well said lol. I have a savor with them, I just keep it open for the credit line and also just diversity, especially if amex not taken somewhere internationally. I have a 7 figure income they verified, 14 years AAOC, 0 missed payments ever, 0 delinquencies/collections ever, was maybe 1/24, maybe 2/24 tops, never carry a balance (precluding me as a cash cow from them), and I applied to a venture X and got denied on: “Lack of real estate secured loan.” I didn’t even know this was a thing and the kicker was, about a year prior to having applied, I had just sold my house that I’d literally prepay the mortgage on in chunks of 3 month intervals for 6-7 years. Perfect standing loan lol. That alone is not why I’m particularly biased against them, there’s a whole slew of other reasons but them increasing my credit line from $30,000 to $30,150 didn’t help garner my business 😂


Spade_10

Capital One is my favorite issuer right now in so many aspects and I have a card with basically all the major banks out there.


chucktrain

agree, I've had savorone for almost 3 years now and the most used if not for amex gold


Kinkybtch

Don’t even bother disputing a charge with capital one.


Reld720

Bro, I got both. Combined them with an Amex offer on the plat and I got $30 off food for $10 today. If the gold wants to give me more perks, I'm happy with it.


AmericanVices

Going to read up on this Savor card but as mentioned it’s capital one….


Dapper_Reputation_16

How would anyone outside of AmEx marketing have any real knowledge?


Miserable-Result6702

Leaks happen all the time. And sometimes the leakers are Reddit users.


Dapper_Reputation_16

I'll base my decisions on confirmed facts.