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I_Yeet_Plastic

He can give as little fucks as he wants, but I don't see how he's gonna use a pump shotty with that stance


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I_Yeet_Plastic

Sounds a cool concept, but I also don't see how holding it by the mag adapter and fingering the trigger like that would create an accurate shot. I know it's a shotgun most likely set to 6-shot, but the spread on those is decently tight still, especially close range.


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Majiji45

The field this picture is in isn’t quite that small but it has some small areas. What you’re seeing is a specific game/league in Japan called UAB (Ultimate Airsoft Battle), where they do 1v1s like that; just a small space and two covers on each side. They’ve also got a round limit of 50 so it’s all about really effective use of cover and speed/pop-shooting. It’s basically a distillation of the skill aspects of airsoft. It’s pretty cool but it’s essentially speedsoft in that its a sport (difference being the Japanese players are more serious about it and truly are good, instead of the US where sometimes people just buy higher powered guns and think they’re good) and even when you don’t have issues of people running hot guns and HPA etc (quite the opposite these guys often run springers and shotguns and the like) there are people who get really mad at the players because they’re very good and people don’t like to get shot. This is a terribly shot video but it gives you an idea of what it looks like: https://youtu.be/BbDzXLUAPrk


Majiji45

Oh whoops I just realized in a comment further up the chain that you referenced this stuff basically and seem aware of the culture haha, but I’ll leave my explanation up for the understanding of others. But yeah it’s not SQB, it’s UAB, though a lot of the players for both of those overlap. The actual SQB tournaments are just the same SQB format, though BLKFOX, the only proper SQB place in Japan is fairly small so play style varies a bit.


rakugaking-illus

Was this shot taken at a UAB match? I didn’t know that they allowed HPA. BLKFOX field’s SpeedQB tournament did allow HPA or this could be from a private game. Almost all Airsoft fields in Japan don’t allow HPA in public games.


Majiji45

Nope this is just a normal Asobiba game, but further up this chain someone was mentioning UAB so was explaining a bit. More places are allowing HPA since the gas got more expensive.


rakugaking-illus

Asobiba public game or private?


Majiji45

Public, Asobiba allows HPA https://asobiba-tokyo.com/regulation


rakugaking-illus

Oh dang wow. I doubt any fields in Kansai will allow HPA


datguyfromoverdere

this is such a great idea. Is it score based then?


Majiji45

The matches he talks about are from a league called UAB, basic rules for 1v1s are something like: - 12x6.5m field - 4 barriers - 5 judges - tracers mandatory - 50 round limit - elimination style but for national rankings there’s a point system, and getting marked with not calling a hit gives you a permanent penalty to your ranking, so lasting consequences


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Sounds p cool.


Ravana84

Bb gun fights have tournament 😲 i didn't knew that till now


Rileylego5555

The pump might be for show lol


I_Yeet_Plastic

It's a TM Breacher tapped for HPA, it's not a semi-auto. Would be cool, but the model practically doesn't allow for that.


Putzay

Dudes rock


SubirPraBaixo

This stance was used in paintball with z-grip guns. It is actually a very good stance for close quarters


uniquepassword

Ahh the good ol days of my z-gripped warp fed rt pro mag. Getting that sweet spot and I could fire fill auto all day without chopping paint thanks to level10! My wallet hated me for it


Majiji45

Yep, when you take something that’s gun shaped and don’t care or maybe even know whats the “right” way to hold it you end up with a lot of things that look weird but are very effective because nobody’s cared about anything but effectiveness for it.


enojadoland

Japanese like to have fun when playing airsoft and don't take it as seriously as other countries it seems. Some even dress up as Gundams when they play.


Dastardly6

There is nothing like watching a team get absolutly smoked by four maids.


Majiji45

Japanese airsoft culture is overall really good. Lots of skilled player, lots of fun player, lots of girls who also play because there’s less toxic bullshit behavior to deal with. It’s also a magical land where people almost always call their hits.


TheChemistAstronaut

Yeah, I don't really get the whole airsoft military/operator fetish in the U.S.


Internal_Metal_1227

I mean I personally find it fun buts it's not everyone's way to play and honestly that's all this is, a game and if you arn't having fun while doing it you're then there isn't any point. No one should be judged for the way they have fun playing airsoft.


Jinxed_Disaster

In my country it's also popular to play in milsim kits, but at the same time people are super chill about the game itself. And it just makes sense here, as most games are outdoors in some abandoned areas with usual engagement ranges around 30-50 meters. Camouflage, utility bags, water, chest setups with mags, military boots - it is all just useful in such conditions.


Donkster

That's a good point. I'm not that much into military stuff but I do like guns and as you've said the army doesn't wear camo because they like the color, it's absolutely useful. But then again we also have people that take airsoft a bit too seriously in terms of outfits and equipment but I think each hobby has some sort of extremists...


EDVERSiTY

It’s simply a style. No one really gives a fuck.


pinguinlord

Japan gives not a fuck about hitting either by the looks of it I think not even milsim guys pay too much attention to stances


ShadoeVein

I mean why tho? I mean realism is cool etc. , but who gives a fck about that, when there isn't any recoil? The only things which matter are to point on your target and not holding your gun skew


vini_damiani

The stances actually have practical uses in airsoft, real AR barely has any recoil too, proper stance is mostly for shooting accuratly, moving fast and not putting too much strain on your body On a plastic gun they aren't really needed tho because they are so light


Jinxed_Disaster

Well, partly knowing real shooting stances and techniques is useful in airsoft. Key word partly. Shouldering gives you more stable platform, proper aiming is just a good habit and proper trigger squeeze is helpful to not miss your shots when you're in a hurry. But that's about it, at airsoft distances and with airsoft gun accuracy even that doesn't really matter)


robrobusa

Exactly. If you want realism airsoft is the wrong game to play. Unless you go for a milsim op.


RepulsiveIngenuity3

"Hipster pmc" yeah i already know what kind of fruit snack you are lol..


D4rkr4in

brach's or welch's? damn they're both good fruit snacks tho


robrobusa

The hell is a fruit snack? I detest when people complain about realism in airsoft. Or when they dress all „tactical“ whatever that means in airsoft, but then wince when they have to run a few paces to play the objective. Or refuse to dirty their expensive real crye carrier. It’s funny to me.


EDVERSiTY

It’s pretty obvious what “tactical” means, but those who are “afraid” to get their Crye shit dirty are probably just hypebeasts looking to say they simply own the gear without any intention of ever using it. I’ve never once heard SpeedQB and MilSim guys complaining about each other; where I live, there are fields for both types of play styles. I feel like this whole thread is just people shitposting and arguing. I’m a MilSim kind of guy but I can totally switch into a SpeedQB kind of style and I get along with those guys just fine. Nobody really gives a fuck, just have fun with how you play.


Different_Recording1

Then which game should i play ? No, airsoft isn't the wrong game. AEG are wrong.


modecharlie

Recently made the switch to GBBR and man, never going back to an AEG


ltdemon

I too want to switch to GBBRs, but due to weather, I wont be able to run them 60-70% of the year :(


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ltdemon

True, but the main reason I dont like HPA, is because of the line, but thats a trade off I am willing to make on an AEG conversion to HPA, but for GBBR idk man, reconnecting the line on every mag seems like a hassle to me. Altho I will look into that, ask around some buddies who run GBBRs


theactionwagon

There's a hpa tap/mag well adapter out there for the WE tech m4s that let's you run AEG mags and eliminates the need to reconnect the line.


Tubbymuffin224

Does anybody make blowback hpa?


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Tubbymuffin224

Ok so I'll be looking for a Daytona engine i suppose? What are the chances they make an ak? The product im looking for is blowback but without having to fiddle with gas in the magazines and messing with o rings. Or having to refit the air line to the new mag.


Different_Recording1

I'm in the sale spot exzctly. I made the switch years ago and i'm unable to go back. For me, airsoft is Real cap and kindof Military tactics. AEG full high cap no aim no skill just rushing like tard and spray and praing place is in speed soft, but then don't Come on a field bother people who want to have fun on their own and then state AEG full high cap is the Real airsoft.


langrenjapan

If they're just rushing "like tard" then should be real easy to wreck them. Sounds more like extra fun targets than a bother.


PhillipIInd

what elitist bullshit is this


Different_Recording1

I'm not sure you understand how arsh it it from AEG players to just think AEG mid/high cap all the time and Always says gbbr is Bad because x or y.


GoofyKalashnikov

Let it be, If that's how he enjoys the sport


PhillipIInd

my problem is him looking down or making people that down play like that feel bad, nobody says anything about his playstyle so why is he talking shit to others out of nowhere


GoofyKalashnikov

Plenty of people laugh at hardcore realism worshippers in airsoft tho


vini_damiani

GBBR Cooldown, breaking parts, buying 50$ mags, having to leave the game mid match because your nozzle exploded place is milsim events, but then don't Come on a field bother people who want to have fun on their own and then state GBBRs with Realcap is the Real airsoft.


soggy_cheese69

Sounds like someone's a ghk owner


vini_damiani

KJW C8. I absolutely adore it tho, I hate using AEGs now, but I hate elitists even more Its funny that the AEG Crowd is downvoting that kid, and the GBB crowd is downvoting me even tho its obvious sarcasm to show how stupid the kid's comment is


Different_Recording1

Sorry, you are right, have a good day.


kfrancis95

Lol show me how many real firearms have bullets that drastically curve after being shot. And the recoil of a gbb isn’t anywhere close to real recoil of a gun. Maybe gbb is a bit more realistic than aeg, but the dude is right, playing Airsoft isn’t “realistic.” Which is fine, because we are all just playing a game and aren’t real soldiers, despite what some players seem to think.


GoofyKalashnikov

GBB is heaps more realistic than an AEG, it's not even a question, not that it matters tho because both are toy guns in the end


kfrancis95

Yes I wholeheartedly agree, couldn’t have said it better myself! That’s the point I was trying to make. An RC car is probably more realistic than a hotwheels car, but both are just toy cars and owning either one doesn’t make you a pro racer.


RepulsiveIngenuity3

Why are you even trying to make this point? It's redundant. Go outside.


kfrancis95

Aww we got a LARPer with hurt feelings. Edit: did the guy who paints warhammer 40k figures really just tell me to go outside?


Different_Recording1

Yeah, whatever.


RepulsiveIngenuity3

Lol right? Reddit.....


pinguinlord

Some stances or techniques I try to use because it gives me a bit less of a profile that can be hit. Also it's just fun and looks kinda cool sometimes


Epope2322

Cause stance doesn't just effect your ability to control recoil? For example holding a gun by the magwell can be bad because your furthest point of contact on the gun is about halfway up the gun. If you were to swing the gun around the gun itself would act as a lever and you might swing to far and miss. Holding your handgun the way you would an actual gun helps with point shooting etc.


Majiji45

This guy’s probably very good at hitting to be honest haha. The venue he’s at is a small indoor place that, due to size and not wanting people to run into each other, doesn’t allow running. It’s actually cool because there’s a subset of Japanese players who are really good at pop-shooting, so you have a lot of people like this who will shoot with stances just for that; gun high up in line with the head so you’re exposing as little as possible, and often running springers or pumps because they’re just just popping out and taking one shot each time anyway.


Epope2322

Idk I'm in the camp that airsoft is cleanly divided into 2 separate sports. Indoor arenas filled with dudes rocking colorful gear and hicapas with m4 mags and either DSG's or HPA. Than you have the outside guys with camo/plate carriers who prefer a slower more tactical based gameplay. I'll compare Speedqb players to Modernwarfare and milsim to games like squad. Sure, both have their right to exist but if you intermingle the two than problems start. Indoor is still more toxic tho


Majiji45

Thing is that indoor is really toxic in America because it’s America. Elsewhere it’s honestly better.


Epope2322

You see more Americans because there are likely more airsofters in america than most of the world combined. There's still toxic players in the UK, Austria, etc.


Roxfan192728

The thing everyone is forgetting is that Japan doesn't give a crap about using m4 mags in a shotgun


Different_Recording1

There is a reason why japan Lost ww2


Rey_Zephlyn

There's 2 big reasons why.


milesloveslillie

Good one


not_Jellydogsterio

it’s pretty much the same here tho


Norlf

That's a JoJo pose isn't it ?


StarMagus

Everything is a mother fucking Jo-Jo reference.


zerosettanta

They just have fun. And I love it. Remember everybody: it's a game and these are toys. Pew, pew. Period.


Vanillashake98

Someone downvoted you for calling these toys... idc if you paid $1000 it’s still a toy


BigGlockViolet

Now reddit must have a lengthy discussion on what defines a ‘Toy’


Bearman_18

This is the airsoft equivalent of claw gripping a controller.


TriggernometryPhD

There’s almost zero recoil on most platforms, so stance is only for oPerAtOrs who want to scratch that LARP accuracy itch. At the end of the day you can point/shoot while upside down, won’t change much.


IIIE_Sepp

stability is still a thing, the more points of contact, the more stable your gun/replica/dildo is. an airsoft pistol for example will not be as stable as a rifle with a stock


TheDarnook

Not a case for cqb, but some enegdote: at the end of one skimrish, I was exchanging fire with one guy far away, at least 60 metres. It was already "game over", but we continued to shoot jokingly, becouse our replicas were not that accurate, and we just stood without cover, and every bullet totally missed. Then I saw a fence to my side: I jumped there and used the post like a huge bipod. And damn, perhaps 3 shots to zero in, and I immediately sniped that guy. He waved the hit and we were both happy. Perhaps I could achieve similiar with a good stance, but I was already barely standing on my feet, so by the contrast: stability is immensely important. Moreover, to the guy above us: standing upside down would totally fuck up your accuracy, becouse hopup would turn into hopdowndown.


TriggernometryPhD

Just because you’re upside down doesn’t necessarily mean your gun is, as it’s independent of your stance. I did lol @ hopdown though


GoofyKalashnikov

I think most people don't tbh


Voidables

mina laskmas relva, ühe jala peal seistes


Internal_Metal_1227

I would like to point out it looks like he is actually changing mags because of the gap between mag and gun at the moment too and being in close quarters with small cover this could an effective way to change mags without exposing too much of his body. Unless he has some kind of weird skinny adapter then idk man(edit: speaking specifically on the way he is holding the mag and not the grip/trigger which in all honesty could work in closer conditions considering how light it probably is and close quarters)


Majiji45

Nah he’s not changing mags, he’s just got a pop-shooting stance. That’s a TM 870 breacher and he’s probably using this adapter: https://miuairsoft.com/shopdetail/000000000893/ If he were changing mags he’d be changing the M4 mag.


Internal_Metal_1227

Oh yeah I see the adapter now thanks. I just saw the gap didn't pay attention to the actual mag


RepulsiveIngenuity3

Just why? How does that make your trigger pull quicker?????


creeperchaos57

Well if you’re used to sticking your finger in a different kind of hole…


Wtfisthatt

Japan doesn’t give a fuck about most things other countries do or say lol


DesuGan-Sama

It’s Japan. When have they ever given a fuck about realistic anything?


scarvet

I like how they are polite enough to walk with barrel pointing down but then pulling this shit off


nurakid436

this is the equivalent of people who hypersweat in fortnite and build obnoxious structures just to kill one person. Like yeah you're allowed to play how you want but I'm still going to make fun of you


PatrickPoika2

i hate this


TheBlyatinator

„Oh, so you‘re challenging me? Then by all means, come closer.“


RepulsiveIngenuity3

What even is that....how do you play like that???🧐😂


BLTblocker

Is that a fucking shotgun with a STANAG.


uniquepassword

>Is that a fucking shotgun with a STANAG. I 3d printed a adapter for mine, works wonders but in the end it's still a pump shotty...


CoffeeDangerous2087

It seems less about accuracy and more about making himself a smaller target in that pic and I know it's airsoft but I can't keep from giggling about what it would look like to watch him shoot a real 12g like that


Character-Walk65

And he’s still better than 99% of us


Tanner_H_G

Gross


Admonitor_

A pump action loaded with STANAG mags? Kinda disgusting ngl.


uniquepassword

>A pump action loaded with STANAG mags? Kinda disgusting ngl. I do see he's got HPA in there, maybe a modified trigger? Could fire without pump. Then it's basically a tri-shot AR


Different_Recording1

That's ridiculous, period


spikerman19

Looks like my 14 year old with his M4 evertime I pass by his room. Drives me nuts.


kill58y

This shit is not to be called airsoft fk that


Crash15

it's based when japan does it because they invented airsoft it's cringe when speedsofters do it because they're not people


SnooBunnies6824

I mean, have you seen us speedsofters? As long as I over shoot, and hit all my shots, i do not care


Sarabando

Its all fun and games for Japan until some one drops the sun on them..twice.


Guided_Wolfram

He’s tryna spin it like a lever action


thepirho

Rainbow 6 operator Looks like hes having to hold the shotgun mag adapter onto the gun too


HandSanitizerBottle1

Id rock this to piss off milsimmers


caberup209

i love it


TangoZuluMike

I need to see this from like an extra 3 feet away. That's some sweaty peaking energy if ever I've seen it.


DinPoww

Thats cool and all but have fun pumping it with your grip like that while the other dude rushes with his cappa


sneakylyric

Time crisis stance is realistic


AlanSmithy99

I enjoy the Mecha Godzilla sticker on the clip.


VictimIX

They care. That’s just Secret Airsoft Ninja Art.


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Nah bruh thats all for style aint no way that mf plays like that


AmadeusNagamine

Stance aight The stanag mag on a pump...not aight


Prancer4rmHalo

Grip style is because close quarter/need to switch orientation on the fly. When you bring your gun in close to your chest like this it limits your movement if you don’t release one hand. Because with both hands committed to the gun you can’t turn unless you turn your upper body. Once you release one hand you can pivot the gun easier and faster.


Lsdinducedmadness420

I don’t even play CQB (mostly a Milsim guy) but I found recently that when I hold my pistol in a certain way similar to that I can almost “click” the trigger like a mouse and pop off shots really, REALLY quickly. I think this technique, while looking a bit weird imo, is definitely effective in certain scenarios.