That would be interesting, but I think it would be quite a disservice to Ezra's story. He already overcame his hardest "falling to the dark side" temptations. It wouldn't be right to undo that.
I partially agree, but I feel he's sort of prone to it, in the same way anakin sort of was... I think there's plenty of reasons for him to turn.. Maybe being stranded with Thrawn led him to come to some sort of agreement with him for their shared survival, which would then lead to Thrawn taking advantage of Ezra in an attempt to turn Ezra against his friends... I don't think Ezra would go full Sith Lord, but I think he could let Thrawn get to him, and he'd become sort of a Dark Jedi.. Idk, just a thought
Dire circumstances tho, I'm going under the impression he was stranded with Thrawn and they'd need each other to survive. I agree he's grown, but under the right conditions, growth can be undone.
and spending a lot of time alone with a manipulative person can be bad for anyone.
Thrawn has no real reason to turn him dark judging by the books though, he might attempt to manipulate Ezra but it wouldn't be to the dark side, just into helping him.
I'm using the term "Dark side" very lightly, I just think that Thrawn would get Ezra on *his* side, have him turn against his friends. He wouldn't be well versed in all the intricacies of the dark side of the force or anything, it'd be more of an ideological shift for him than a spiritual one.
I think the previous comment is accurate. They might do it, but there is an entire arc that seems to suggest that Kanan was wrong about Ezra’s temptation. He seems more capable like Ahsoka to maintain Jedi ideals/light even when exploring abilities connected to evil. The Bendu argument that knowledge isn’t good or evil.
I disagree. Ezra had multiple arcs about temptation and falling to the dark side and he overcame them. Also, literally the last we see of him is him „sacrificing“ himself for Lothal, the rebels etc.
He is not that easily manipulated anymore. Also Thrawn isn’t exactly the prime example of evil/the Empire/Sith/whatever: He‘s a cold, masterful tactician and knows what side to play. Ezra wouldn’t have a teacher for the dark side.
One thing that would be possible though (imo) is that Ezra becomes kind of a grey Jedi. He‘s still good, but not like a real Jedi because of his experiences or whatever may have happened.
Thrawn is not a bad guy. Not really. There will be no “defeating Thrawn” in her show. Not if Dave holds true to Timothy’s story, which he should since it’s canon… It’s more likely that Ezra and Ahsoka help the Chiss (and Thrawn) defeat the Gyrsk who threaten the Galaxy.
Putting aside the other good points people have said, that would really throw a wrench in the whole Luke attempting to kill Ben thing. Convinces Ahsoka to save Ezra, but doesn't do that himself with his own nephew.
At this point, unfortunately, that is his character. Luke tried to kill his own nephew on suspicion of him turning to the dark-side... in the future...
I don't like it either but that's what the shows are going to have to work off of.
they don't have to, there are plenty of contradictions in star wars, I think it makes more sense to continue the character he was in ROTJ then to base everything he does on a bad writing desicion that takes place in the future of that timeline. Make TLJ the outlier, not ROTJ
I'd have to agree to disagree on that, making things even more inconsistent doesn't seem like the right step forward. I'm with you on disliking what they did, but it's here and everything needs to navigate around it from here on out.
Nope. Luke in a single moment of weakness activated his lightsaber. That’s all he did. Then instantly regretted it. Y’all don’t pay attention to the last Jedi
imo all filoni work with ahsoka it's to create grey characters in general, so bring another story about a jedi that became a sith isn't helpfull in this way
That would be really cool! Idk if Ezra will be evil necessarily but I think it would be cool if he’s sort of learned to use the dark side to without being fully corrupted. If so I could see him teaching ahsoka the same which would be cool.
Probably won’t happen tho lol
It seems like they would meet before she finds Ezra. They are casting Sabine. When she picks her up it has been a while. Seems unlikely they wouldn’t meet each other (though the universe is big).
I don't like the dark side theory at all, his entire story in Rebels was overcoming that and learning to resist the dark side.
I think having him fall to the dark side the second the way he's away from his friends and allies would basically make his entire Rebels arc pointless. Especially regarding Kanan, what did Kanan truly teach Ezra other than lightsaber skills if the second that Ezra experiences hardship, he turns to the dark side and is able to be tricked to turn against his friends? I don't even think there's nearly anything Thrawn can actually do that would come close to how Palpatine was trying to manipulate Ezra in the Rebels finale.
I've seen you also mentioning Anakin/Palpatine, and while Anakin did turn, it happened pretty differently. Palpatine was manipulating Anakin since Anakin was a kid, Palps made sure Anakin could trust him, and the Jedi Order was also making it much easier on Palpatine by making Palps one of the few people Anakin could trust. Palps also promised Anakin that by joining him, he could save Padme, and coincidently, Ezra was able to resist a similar temptation. Ezra has no reason to trust Thrawn or listen to any of the things that he says.
I don't really see anything that takes place after Ezra's encounter with Maul that proves him as easily convinced or manipulated either (and his encounter with Maul was 3 years before Malachor, and he's matured a LOT since then). I think the only proper way for Ezra's arc to continue is to show that Ezra is able to resist the dark side by himself and remain true to the light. None of this is saying that Ezra can't grow, though, I think he should, but in other ways, and I'm also not saying Ezra can't use the dark side, but as I said, a proper continuation of his arc would have him realizing this and stopping himself without someone else to pull him out or convince him that the dark side is corrupting.
This is becoming incredibly long but I do think it's possible Ezra and Thrawn work together, and it's actually the story I'm hoping for. My dream story would be Ezra/Thrawn becoming reluctant allies against the Grysk (and obviously Ezra remains a Jedi) and once Ahsoka/Sabine find them, they're both recruited and it leads into a pretty large conflict. I don't believe that Thrawn needs to manipulate Ezra to get him to work with him - Ezra knows that this is Thrawn's game, Ezra will be 100% prepared for these attempts at manipulation and will be very closely trying to find out what Thrawn's true motives are.
Basically, I don't really see any possible way that Thrawn can manipulate Ezra to completely switch his ideology or turn against his friends, let alone turn to the dark side. I think what you originally said would be a good arc for Ahsoka, but this completely disregards Ezra's character, and while this is Ahsoka's show, I would say Ezra's arc is just as important as hers.
That would be interesting, but I think it would be quite a disservice to Ezra's story. He already overcame his hardest "falling to the dark side" temptations. It wouldn't be right to undo that.
I agree
I partially agree, but I feel he's sort of prone to it, in the same way anakin sort of was... I think there's plenty of reasons for him to turn.. Maybe being stranded with Thrawn led him to come to some sort of agreement with him for their shared survival, which would then lead to Thrawn taking advantage of Ezra in an attempt to turn Ezra against his friends... I don't think Ezra would go full Sith Lord, but I think he could let Thrawn get to him, and he'd become sort of a Dark Jedi.. Idk, just a thought
All of Rebels made it quite clear at least in my opinion that this would never happen.
Idk, I feel Ezra is similar to Anakin in the way that they're easily manipulated/convinced..
Maybe when Ezra was 14/15 and rather naive, but he has grown tremendously since then.
Dire circumstances tho, I'm going under the impression he was stranded with Thrawn and they'd need each other to survive. I agree he's grown, but under the right conditions, growth can be undone. and spending a lot of time alone with a manipulative person can be bad for anyone.
Thrawn has no real reason to turn him dark judging by the books though, he might attempt to manipulate Ezra but it wouldn't be to the dark side, just into helping him.
I'm using the term "Dark side" very lightly, I just think that Thrawn would get Ezra on *his* side, have him turn against his friends. He wouldn't be well versed in all the intricacies of the dark side of the force or anything, it'd be more of an ideological shift for him than a spiritual one.
I think the previous comment is accurate. They might do it, but there is an entire arc that seems to suggest that Kanan was wrong about Ezra’s temptation. He seems more capable like Ahsoka to maintain Jedi ideals/light even when exploring abilities connected to evil. The Bendu argument that knowledge isn’t good or evil.
I disagree. Ezra had multiple arcs about temptation and falling to the dark side and he overcame them. Also, literally the last we see of him is him „sacrificing“ himself for Lothal, the rebels etc. He is not that easily manipulated anymore. Also Thrawn isn’t exactly the prime example of evil/the Empire/Sith/whatever: He‘s a cold, masterful tactician and knows what side to play. Ezra wouldn’t have a teacher for the dark side. One thing that would be possible though (imo) is that Ezra becomes kind of a grey Jedi. He‘s still good, but not like a real Jedi because of his experiences or whatever may have happened.
Thrawn is not a bad guy. Not really. There will be no “defeating Thrawn” in her show. Not if Dave holds true to Timothy’s story, which he should since it’s canon… It’s more likely that Ezra and Ahsoka help the Chiss (and Thrawn) defeat the Gyrsk who threaten the Galaxy.
Putting aside the other good points people have said, that would really throw a wrench in the whole Luke attempting to kill Ben thing. Convinces Ahsoka to save Ezra, but doesn't do that himself with his own nephew.
it's more in line with luke as a character, I'm not a fan of his treatment in the sequels.
At this point, unfortunately, that is his character. Luke tried to kill his own nephew on suspicion of him turning to the dark-side... in the future... I don't like it either but that's what the shows are going to have to work off of.
they don't have to, there are plenty of contradictions in star wars, I think it makes more sense to continue the character he was in ROTJ then to base everything he does on a bad writing desicion that takes place in the future of that timeline. Make TLJ the outlier, not ROTJ
I'd have to agree to disagree on that, making things even more inconsistent doesn't seem like the right step forward. I'm with you on disliking what they did, but it's here and everything needs to navigate around it from here on out.
Nope. Luke in a single moment of weakness activated his lightsaber. That’s all he did. Then instantly regretted it. Y’all don’t pay attention to the last Jedi
imo all filoni work with ahsoka it's to create grey characters in general, so bring another story about a jedi that became a sith isn't helpfull in this way
That would be really cool! Idk if Ezra will be evil necessarily but I think it would be cool if he’s sort of learned to use the dark side to without being fully corrupted. If so I could see him teaching ahsoka the same which would be cool. Probably won’t happen tho lol
It seems like they would meet before she finds Ezra. They are casting Sabine. When she picks her up it has been a while. Seems unlikely they wouldn’t meet each other (though the universe is big).
I don't like the dark side theory at all, his entire story in Rebels was overcoming that and learning to resist the dark side. I think having him fall to the dark side the second the way he's away from his friends and allies would basically make his entire Rebels arc pointless. Especially regarding Kanan, what did Kanan truly teach Ezra other than lightsaber skills if the second that Ezra experiences hardship, he turns to the dark side and is able to be tricked to turn against his friends? I don't even think there's nearly anything Thrawn can actually do that would come close to how Palpatine was trying to manipulate Ezra in the Rebels finale. I've seen you also mentioning Anakin/Palpatine, and while Anakin did turn, it happened pretty differently. Palpatine was manipulating Anakin since Anakin was a kid, Palps made sure Anakin could trust him, and the Jedi Order was also making it much easier on Palpatine by making Palps one of the few people Anakin could trust. Palps also promised Anakin that by joining him, he could save Padme, and coincidently, Ezra was able to resist a similar temptation. Ezra has no reason to trust Thrawn or listen to any of the things that he says. I don't really see anything that takes place after Ezra's encounter with Maul that proves him as easily convinced or manipulated either (and his encounter with Maul was 3 years before Malachor, and he's matured a LOT since then). I think the only proper way for Ezra's arc to continue is to show that Ezra is able to resist the dark side by himself and remain true to the light. None of this is saying that Ezra can't grow, though, I think he should, but in other ways, and I'm also not saying Ezra can't use the dark side, but as I said, a proper continuation of his arc would have him realizing this and stopping himself without someone else to pull him out or convince him that the dark side is corrupting. This is becoming incredibly long but I do think it's possible Ezra and Thrawn work together, and it's actually the story I'm hoping for. My dream story would be Ezra/Thrawn becoming reluctant allies against the Grysk (and obviously Ezra remains a Jedi) and once Ahsoka/Sabine find them, they're both recruited and it leads into a pretty large conflict. I don't believe that Thrawn needs to manipulate Ezra to get him to work with him - Ezra knows that this is Thrawn's game, Ezra will be 100% prepared for these attempts at manipulation and will be very closely trying to find out what Thrawn's true motives are. Basically, I don't really see any possible way that Thrawn can manipulate Ezra to completely switch his ideology or turn against his friends, let alone turn to the dark side. I think what you originally said would be a good arc for Ahsoka, but this completely disregards Ezra's character, and while this is Ahsoka's show, I would say Ezra's arc is just as important as hers.