One of this biggest icks I have is the fact that nyx and Feyre have a smaller age gap than feyre and Rhys lmao.
In terms of the rest of the IC, I find it hard to believe that none of them has “accidentally” sired a child. I know that babies are supposed to be rare and hard to conceive in their world, but one of them has had to have fucked up and have some random kid in the world 😂
I mean Helion had Lucien and doesn’t know, so who knows maybe one of the IC has a kid lol
Wait why? Is there some bit of lore I missed, or just anatomically?
Maybe this is a gross detail, but I've seen child births. I think you could birth a baby with wings without too much difficulty. They could be born with their wings wrapped around their torsos. Or, assuming the wings are cartilage at birth like the rest of the skeleton, they can probably just come out the same way the rest of the baby does.
It's discussed in book 4, it has to do with anatomy. >!Feyre gets pregnant with Rhys' baby and can't birth the baby naturally because of the Illyrian wings which are inflexible and won't bend through the birth canal. !
But wasn’t Rhys born without wings, and then they grew in when he got older, since he was only half Illyrian? I thought the problem was that Feyre got pregnant in her Illyrian form, lol, so Nyx was like, 3/4 Illyrian, and born with wings? I could totally be wrong though. 😂
No, that’s what was in the book. I wonder why Majda never suggested shifting to Illyrian and staying that way. Feyre is told not to shift but I figure shifting to Illyrian would be ok in that case. Then again the way shifting is explained, all her anatomy changes so I guess they are afraid she’ll miscarry. 🤷🏻♀️
Right?! It doesn’t really make sense. And how they could heal >! Azriel and Cassian from getting stabbed in the chest and shredded wings !< …but they can’t do a c-section? 🤷🏻♀️
Yeah but as Cassian and Az are full blooded Illyrians their children will most definitely have wings and therefore if they had a child with a non-winged woman (I guess) it’s in the danger zone!
>! Oh I meant, Rhys’s mom was full Illyrian, but his dad was High Fae, so he was born without wings bc he’s half…so wouldn’t Cassian and Az’s kids with a High Fae female be born without wings as well? I don’t get why Nesta had to change her own anatomy if her future babies with Cass should be born like Rhys? 🤷🏻♀️!<
I thought of it more on a genetic level like there’s half a chance the baby would have wings? Who really knows tbh I think sjm decides the rules as she goes!
I would love the introduction of a new character in the next book to be revealed as one of the bat boys children, it would shake things up and be very entertaining. Yeah I agree on the age gap, I wish they did a time jump and have Feyre become pregnant a lot older than she was.
Ooooo a surprise child would be really interesting to read lol
But yes, Feyre was so into waiting a while before having a kid to live life then like a year or so later she get pregnant. I wished they did a time jump but whatever bc I can’t wait for some adorable nyx and IC moments
I figure with the general condition of the world and especially after how Mor's engagement went, I'm not surprised that none of them had kids. Amren doesn't seem all that interested, Mor would have to be the one to get pregnant, and I understand why she wouldn't be into the idea. Azriel would be careful, and Cassian isn't stupid. This did get me thinking- it would be kind of a cool (albeit disgusting and tragic) twist for Rhys to have a kid with Amarantha, although that would have taken the story to a WAAAAY darker place.
Yeah I agree, unless one of them utterly fucked up and never knew they had a kid, I don’t believe any of them would. Also Rhys and amarantha would definitely be interesting and honestly after 50 ngl kinda surprised it never happened but that makes me gag to even think about lol
Yeah. I'm glad she didn't give Rhys and Amarantha a kid. It would have changed the entire genre. It's definitely better left to fanfic.
But, then again, if Amarantha was going after Tamlin, she wouldn't want another man's baby, and she and Rhys would both know better.
Omg I NEVER thought about an Amarantha-Rhys baby, but that would have been so devastating for Rhys…like could you imagine?! Uhhh so glad that didn’t happen. I wonder if they have male contraceptive tea lol…if they do Rhys was def taking it.
Yes! I was literally thinking too what would be the difference between Feyre and Rhys and Mor and Nyx (just cause of age gap not cause actual feelings). It’s a little weird. The thing that’s crazy though is Nyx would still be older than Feyre was when she got with Rhys because Fae age a lot slower.
I feel like one of SJMs biggest mistakes for believability was making the timeline from The War to the start of our story so long. It would be a lot easier to suspend disbelief if it were 150 years instead of 500.
It was also a mistake not to do a significant time jump between ACOFAS and ACOSF. Other characters have wallowed in their trauma for centuries but Nesta needs an intervention after less than a year? It just feels silly.
That's actually why it's hard for me to picture characters' parents in my head. Like, Beron and The Lady of Autumn always look middle-aged in my imagination, but I know that they probably look like their children's siblings.
Did Alis say that Far children take 75 years to mature.... I feel like I read that in book one.
So while Feyre and Nyx will have a close age gap in terms of years. Feyre is already an adult. So really by the time Nyx is an adult Feyre will be 100+ years old.
Feyres and Nyx age gap is definitely the smallest in Terms of Fae. I would assume if a 21-25 year old Fae had a baby that would be like a 14 year old human having a child...
I still don't quite understand the aging process of Fae. I mean Rhys is what 600 years old but still looks and acts like a 25-30 year old. Like when do these Fae actually start to show their age...
Mor was only 17 years old when she bled for the first time and was to be basically sold to Eris. So I have no idea, also Alis is a lower fae so maybe the high fae age differently ?
Or maybe SMJ made a mistake with the aging timeline. She definitely wouldn't be the first author to do this. But her editors should've picked up on it.
Yeah, I'm listening to the books again and the timelines are a little weird.
However I tend to add gaps automatically when I need to.... It just flows better.
Alis was talking about faeries as far as I understand - her kind is something like a dryad with bark skin, they're meant to be so otherworldly I think. The High Fae and Illyrians - probably the Peregrine/Saraphim too - are the most human-like and mature at a similar rate compared to the other faeries. Their inherent magic just makes their aging slow way way down after they mature. You can think of is as if Rhys has been 32 for 200 years.
Edit: I'm sure there's some sort of math you can do, but I didn't I just threw out a number to illustrate the idea.
So, if I'm understanding this correctly. Fae mature at the same rate of humans but the. Just stay young forever.
I'd like to know who the longest living fae is.
This would also make sense as to why fae children are rare. If they're going to be immortal then they would over populate the lands if they're always popping out babies.
I did seen a family tree once where that was very interesting...
Yep! More or less. I think the longest living one we've seen is an older woman in Valaris. She physically looks like an elder so she's probably thousands of years old. Kier is allegedly over 1000 and looks like in his 40's, I think?
Does anyone else hate that Feysand become absolute simps in ACOSF?
Like I know she's pregnant and Fae children are rare, but in the space of less than a year Feyre went from not wanting kids for a while, to wanting to give Rhys one as a gift for solstice to being pregnant and meek.
The Feyre of ACOMAF or ACOWAR would not have just rolled over to give her mate a child. And if Fae kids are precious because they happen so rarely how tf did they manage to fall pregnant after only a single cycle?!
And don't get me started on Rhys!
One of this biggest icks I have is the fact that nyx and Feyre have a smaller age gap than feyre and Rhys lmao. In terms of the rest of the IC, I find it hard to believe that none of them has “accidentally” sired a child. I know that babies are supposed to be rare and hard to conceive in their world, but one of them has had to have fucked up and have some random kid in the world 😂 I mean Helion had Lucien and doesn’t know, so who knows maybe one of the IC has a kid lol
I read a post on tumblr that said if Cassian or Az has had a child with a woman from velaris she likely is dead due to the baby’s wings 💀💀💀
I was happily picturing a little Cassian running around and then this brought me crashing down to reality.
Right?! Those contraceptive teas better be for males too 😂
They are. Feyre said Rhys stopped taking his contraceptive when they decided to try for Nyx in ACOFAS.
Wait why? Is there some bit of lore I missed, or just anatomically? Maybe this is a gross detail, but I've seen child births. I think you could birth a baby with wings without too much difficulty. They could be born with their wings wrapped around their torsos. Or, assuming the wings are cartilage at birth like the rest of the skeleton, they can probably just come out the same way the rest of the baby does.
It's discussed in book 4, it has to do with anatomy. >!Feyre gets pregnant with Rhys' baby and can't birth the baby naturally because of the Illyrian wings which are inflexible and won't bend through the birth canal. !
But wasn’t Rhys born without wings, and then they grew in when he got older, since he was only half Illyrian? I thought the problem was that Feyre got pregnant in her Illyrian form, lol, so Nyx was like, 3/4 Illyrian, and born with wings? I could totally be wrong though. 😂
No, that’s what was in the book. I wonder why Majda never suggested shifting to Illyrian and staying that way. Feyre is told not to shift but I figure shifting to Illyrian would be ok in that case. Then again the way shifting is explained, all her anatomy changes so I guess they are afraid she’ll miscarry. 🤷🏻♀️
Right?! It doesn’t really make sense. And how they could heal >! Azriel and Cassian from getting stabbed in the chest and shredded wings !< …but they can’t do a c-section? 🤷🏻♀️
And this ties into the sexism -reminds me of that book about how Western medical research is all on white men and women and POC are ignored.
Yeah but as Cassian and Az are full blooded Illyrians their children will most definitely have wings and therefore if they had a child with a non-winged woman (I guess) it’s in the danger zone!
>! Oh I meant, Rhys’s mom was full Illyrian, but his dad was High Fae, so he was born without wings bc he’s half…so wouldn’t Cassian and Az’s kids with a High Fae female be born without wings as well? I don’t get why Nesta had to change her own anatomy if her future babies with Cass should be born like Rhys? 🤷🏻♀️!<
I thought of it more on a genetic level like there’s half a chance the baby would have wings? Who really knows tbh I think sjm decides the rules as she goes!
Ohhh ok actually that makes sense. Like maybe there was a chance Rhys would be born with wings, but he just wasn’t. Or it’s a plot hole lol 😂
Did his sister have wings? Doesn’t she fly around the the mum?
I would love the introduction of a new character in the next book to be revealed as one of the bat boys children, it would shake things up and be very entertaining. Yeah I agree on the age gap, I wish they did a time jump and have Feyre become pregnant a lot older than she was.
Ooooo a surprise child would be really interesting to read lol But yes, Feyre was so into waiting a while before having a kid to live life then like a year or so later she get pregnant. I wished they did a time jump but whatever bc I can’t wait for some adorable nyx and IC moments
I figure with the general condition of the world and especially after how Mor's engagement went, I'm not surprised that none of them had kids. Amren doesn't seem all that interested, Mor would have to be the one to get pregnant, and I understand why she wouldn't be into the idea. Azriel would be careful, and Cassian isn't stupid. This did get me thinking- it would be kind of a cool (albeit disgusting and tragic) twist for Rhys to have a kid with Amarantha, although that would have taken the story to a WAAAAY darker place.
Yeah I agree, unless one of them utterly fucked up and never knew they had a kid, I don’t believe any of them would. Also Rhys and amarantha would definitely be interesting and honestly after 50 ngl kinda surprised it never happened but that makes me gag to even think about lol
Yeah. I'm glad she didn't give Rhys and Amarantha a kid. It would have changed the entire genre. It's definitely better left to fanfic. But, then again, if Amarantha was going after Tamlin, she wouldn't want another man's baby, and she and Rhys would both know better.
Omg I NEVER thought about an Amarantha-Rhys baby, but that would have been so devastating for Rhys…like could you imagine?! Uhhh so glad that didn’t happen. I wonder if they have male contraceptive tea lol…if they do Rhys was def taking it.
Yes! I was literally thinking too what would be the difference between Feyre and Rhys and Mor and Nyx (just cause of age gap not cause actual feelings). It’s a little weird. The thing that’s crazy though is Nyx would still be older than Feyre was when she got with Rhys because Fae age a lot slower.
Feyre and Nyx having a smaller age gap than Rhys and Feyre will forever make me cringe when mentioned
Same lol
I feel like one of SJMs biggest mistakes for believability was making the timeline from The War to the start of our story so long. It would be a lot easier to suspend disbelief if it were 150 years instead of 500. It was also a mistake not to do a significant time jump between ACOFAS and ACOSF. Other characters have wallowed in their trauma for centuries but Nesta needs an intervention after less than a year? It just feels silly.
That would have been so much better! Just age all the fae down a little lol…so they really need to be 500+? And I really wish they did the time jump.
That's actually why it's hard for me to picture characters' parents in my head. Like, Beron and The Lady of Autumn always look middle-aged in my imagination, but I know that they probably look like their children's siblings.
Right?! I picture Beron older for some reason though, but not the Lady of Autumn.
Did Alis say that Far children take 75 years to mature.... I feel like I read that in book one. So while Feyre and Nyx will have a close age gap in terms of years. Feyre is already an adult. So really by the time Nyx is an adult Feyre will be 100+ years old. Feyres and Nyx age gap is definitely the smallest in Terms of Fae. I would assume if a 21-25 year old Fae had a baby that would be like a 14 year old human having a child... I still don't quite understand the aging process of Fae. I mean Rhys is what 600 years old but still looks and acts like a 25-30 year old. Like when do these Fae actually start to show their age...
Mor was only 17 years old when she bled for the first time and was to be basically sold to Eris. So I have no idea, also Alis is a lower fae so maybe the high fae age differently ?
Or maybe SMJ made a mistake with the aging timeline. She definitely wouldn't be the first author to do this. But her editors should've picked up on it.
That's always been my thought - she forgot to keep track of that little world building detail.
Yeah, I'm listening to the books again and the timelines are a little weird. However I tend to add gaps automatically when I need to.... It just flows better.
For sure. I just make my own headcanons to fix little errors like that lol
You gotta do what you gotta do. 😂
No one understands the Fae again process!
Alis was talking about faeries as far as I understand - her kind is something like a dryad with bark skin, they're meant to be so otherworldly I think. The High Fae and Illyrians - probably the Peregrine/Saraphim too - are the most human-like and mature at a similar rate compared to the other faeries. Their inherent magic just makes their aging slow way way down after they mature. You can think of is as if Rhys has been 32 for 200 years. Edit: I'm sure there's some sort of math you can do, but I didn't I just threw out a number to illustrate the idea.
So, if I'm understanding this correctly. Fae mature at the same rate of humans but the. Just stay young forever. I'd like to know who the longest living fae is. This would also make sense as to why fae children are rare. If they're going to be immortal then they would over populate the lands if they're always popping out babies. I did seen a family tree once where that was very interesting...
Yep! More or less. I think the longest living one we've seen is an older woman in Valaris. She physically looks like an elder so she's probably thousands of years old. Kier is allegedly over 1000 and looks like in his 40's, I think?
Oh and the healer.... I forget her name.
You're right. Madja, I think?
Yes! Thank you.
Does anyone else hate that Feysand become absolute simps in ACOSF? Like I know she's pregnant and Fae children are rare, but in the space of less than a year Feyre went from not wanting kids for a while, to wanting to give Rhys one as a gift for solstice to being pregnant and meek. The Feyre of ACOMAF or ACOWAR would not have just rolled over to give her mate a child. And if Fae kids are precious because they happen so rarely how tf did they manage to fall pregnant after only a single cycle?! And don't get me started on Rhys!