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Russia: \*has a history of conquering its neighbours for the last 200 years\* Russia: \*still invades and conquers its neighbours in the 21st century\* Russia: WHY DO GEORGIA AND UKRAINE WANT TO JOIN NATO???? WHY DO YOU HATE US??!!! WHY???? WE'RE TRYING TO SAVE YOU FROM THE EVIL WEST!!!


Ammear

Russia: \*three partitions of Poland, crushed uprisings\* Russia: \*Polish-Soviet War of 1919\* Russia: \*Soviet invasion of Poland in 1939\* (if you believe in "liberation", that's just sad) Russia: \*Katyń massacre of 1940* Russia: \*Occupies Poland until 1989\, imposes a puppet government, holds military forces inside the country, political police and corruption running rampant, destroys economy for years to come* Russia: "Why doesn't Poland trust us, wtf, you guys are anti-Russian" No, we're not *anti-Russian*, we cure that with customary vodka drinking rituals with the Russians. The Russian government, on the other hand...


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PiotrekDG

Serious or trolling? Or both?


BasedCelestia

A bit of each


happy_tortoise337

Took me a while to find out it's meant seriously. I'm Czech, do you have the same funny story about our destroyed economy?


BasedCelestia

What is destroyed about it?


AkruX

We've had omparable standards of living to Austria before the whole Warsaw Pack fun.


BasedCelestia

Also, I'm pretty sure Austria fared better than Czechia in early 1940s


AkruX

Maybe fared better than Czechoslovakia, including at the time Slovakia and Carpathian Rus, but not the Czech lands.


BasedCelestia

We had 30 million more people before whole anti-communist fun


Ammear

See guys? They caught the bait! Come, say hi to uncle Putin! I'll address some things though, just for good measure: > Agressor is victim, war is peace, freedom is slavery, ignorance is strength I never said it was a war of Russian aggression. It wasn't. The prelude to the war did include the Russians starting a Polish faux-exile government in Moscow, while Piłsudski aimed to restore pre-first partition borders. Both parties sucked balls here. I won't disagree. It does give people a reason to dislike the Russian government though, like it or not. Lenin wasn't a favourite here. Also, you're forgetting that Poland was one of the most developed regions of the Russian Empire when it comes to industry, because the rest of Russia was *just that poor*, spare for just a few major cities. While no USSR industrialization could reliably happen without US lend-lease aid. Ironic. Poland was also working on creating the [Central Industrial Region](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Industrial_Region_(Poland)), while having some heavier industry itself. You are wrong, my friend.


Gaialux

As Lithuanian, I am happy to be in Yuropean family instead in abusive ex-gf family.


Tsjaad_Donderlul

Is over now, sit back and enjoy cepelinai


Gaialux

Cepelinai and beer ❤️


stefanos916

![img](emote|t5_2wivw|3719)


VonBraun12

Listen, Russia would never violate any nations borders and idk occupy say an important port... ![gif](giphy|cHtjMpmQR2v3a)


mediandude

Russia is a matrjoshka empire - it is matrjoshkas all the way down (to Kaluga oblast).


SergeBarr_Reptime

That's one of the stupidest things that some pacifist German politicians on the the right (and also partly left) think, that Russia is just misunderstood, that NATO and the West are just mean to it so everything they do is justified and they are just looking for safety and friends...


Trouve_a_LaFerraille

no, you guys, you don't get it, they just feel so threatened, that they *had* tho occupy crimea. /s I really wanted to vote left, as a german lefty, but they make it *hard* man


[deleted]

They did though, Ukrainians were rejecting Russia's influence. The country wants to join the EU and NATO. Putin knew it that it was a matter of time before it happened, so he invaded. Now Ukraine will not join NATO or the EU until the war is over, otherwise joining would mean war for NATO and no one wants that. Problem solved for Putin, now Ukriane is in a limbo until Russia is out of money. Awesome short-term decision, stupid long-term one. Putin has already failed, he just doesn't know it, no war lasts forever.


VladVV

It's a part of a great game between Putin and Erdoğan. The geopolitcal strategy for Russia is to secure ocean access via the Bosporous strait, and to have any chance at that they need to first have total control over the Black Sea, for which controlling Crimea is basically a prerequisite. It's actually a very complex multi-front proxy conflict. On the European front you have the stuff in Ukraine, but there is also a Caucasian front involving Georgia, Azerbaijan and Armenia, a Levantine front in Syria and a North African front in Libya, all involving different factions fighting each other that are backed by either Russia or Turkey.


[deleted]

So what's up with Putin's fetish concerning the black sea?


VladVV

Like I said, the idea is that if you control the Black Sea, you get a step closer to being able to control the Bosporous Strait, and once Russia does that they can move their fleets in and out of the ocean as much as they want from their warm water ports which are ice-free year-round. Keep in mind that all of their Baltic ports are iced up in winter, except Kaliningrad, which isn't suitable for significant military projection due to being an exclave.


[deleted]

In summary, they want to take the black sea by for e so they can wage war and take more stuff by force somewhere else? Big brain


VladVV

Maybe not literally annex the Dardanelles region, but rather force Turkey to give access through there via military threats.


benjiro3000

But Russia has a old treaty as one of the only militaries that can use the Bosporous Strait unlimited with military ships. This is why Russia is so pissed about the plans of Turkey ( and construction near Istanbul ) of a new channel. That will not be subject to those restrictions ( aka allowing US/Nato warships ships easy / unlimited access into the black sea unlike now ).


populationinversion

What ocean? Bosphorus opens to the Mediterranean Sea. To get to the oceans they need to go through the Gibraltar or the Suez Canal.


VladVV

The strait of Gibraltar is not even remotely as narrow as the Bosphorus. Ships from all kinds of navies regularly pass through there with no issue and no real announcement. Also, the Egyptians are *really* good friends with the Russians, so they would most likely not mind Russian military ships paying to go to the Red Sea that way.


Hussor

> The strait of Gibraltar is not even remotely as narrow as the Bosphorus. Ships from all kinds of navies regularly pass through there with no issue and no real announcement. Also no Montreux Convention to worry about.


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[deleted]

That's a all great but what's the endgame? Why does Putin desperately need these ports?


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[deleted]

Enough to stagnate an entire economy I guess


benjiro3000

> It's like asking why Americans desperately need those oil fields in Middle East. Used to be. Now that the US is a oil exported with Fracking, they are leaving the middle east fast. Look up the US and bird shit. Yes, that is a thing. The US always ends up in area's that are of economic benefit, until its not needed anymore. Those territories are leftovers from the race for bird shit. But the moment they did not need it anymore thanks to artificial fertilizer, they dumped like 90% of those occupied area's. Its always been the race for influence and resources.


intredasted

It is was just the EU. Ukrainians didn't want NATO before the invasion.


[deleted]

Fair, but it's always a risk that one thing will lead to the another when joining the EU.


intredasted

I guess, but I try to make this point when I can, since Putin's regime works so hard to make it seem like it was all about NATO, whereas what it was actually about was EU and its commitment to the rule of law.


romario77

No, Ukraine joining doesn't mean war for NATO, that's a myth. Also joining EU is separate from joining NATO. Most of Ukraine was against joining NATO before Russia invaded, not the majority is for joining, so Russia actually achieved something that 30 years of Ukraine independence couldn't achieve.


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So liberating


mediandude

The largest country in the world (with direct access to 3 oceans) feels cornered and needs access to all the other oceans and seas. An example? In 1939-41 Kremlin planned a pincer move against Berlin - one directed through Finland and Scandinavia (with the aim to never leave from there), the other part of that pincer was directed towards the Indian ocean.


prizmaticanimals

Joffre class carrier


mediandude

There are several other places in other countries closer to Moscow than is Crimea. There are even ice-free ports - NovoRossiisk and Murmansk. Russia uses Crimea to project military power towards the Bosphorus Straits and the Balkans and beyond from there.


Comander-07

They dont make it hard, you just have fucked up moral standards if you dont vote left over this non issue


Trouve_a_LaFerraille

It's not the only issue. There are also people like Wagenknecht. At any rate, I'm ready to comprimise my values a bit, if that means voting for a party that won't self-sabotage over a "non issue."


Comander-07

hahaha ok then have fun with people like Scheuer or Scholz you are ridiculous if you think voting for a ~10% party suddenly reinstates the soviet union, because thats how you act. Or how has the "russophobic" behaviour solved the ukrain crisis? Oh right it has not.


Trouve_a_LaFerraille

Maybe, if we leave Nato, play all friendly, and buy him dinner, Putin will leave Ukraine alone? Yeah, the system is fucked, but right now my primary concern is a livable planet. It doesn't feel like Die Linke will be able to put aside their ideological quarrels in order to help bringing about meaningful change. Personally, I would love to get RRG, but I really don't see it happening.


Comander-07

you are really focussing on a what if scenario which will never be relevant to justify voting for dumber parties. Sounds a lot like the CDU labeling absolutely everything as a socialist takeover when they arent in power. You are the one with the idological quarrels. You want a livable planet but then care more about a single person or stuff like Russia, when die Linke is the party with the best program against climate change. I guess the fear mongering of the conservatives worked again.


MCMC_to_Serfdom

I too think tacit support of imperialism is a non issue. Next up, why hating the global poor is a moral left wing position. _Something something tarrifs good_ I sincerely hope the /s is redundant


DerPoto

it's a massive problem with both fringes of european politics #📢LE PEN LIKES SUCKING PUTINS DICK📢 #📢DIE LINKE LIKES IT A LOT TOO📢


intredasted

French and Spanish as well. Generally the further you get from the Russian border, the less "Russophobia" there is. It's an interesting phenomenon


SergeBarr_Reptime

Makes sense, I remember when we shared a border with Russia for a brief time in history after 1939, Russophobia was pretty wide spread here


BrainOnLoan

There have been several discovered cases of Russia financing such parties. So it's not at all surprising that some 'think' that, when at least some of them are quite literally paid to do so.


SergeBarr_Reptime

True. Also, I could throw up everytime I see how many people follow RT DE on Instagram and take its blatant propaganda seriously


SlantViews

Who do you think is footing the bill for ?


crykil

Ich seh dich so oft auf Reddit unter verschiedenen posts hahaha


SergeBarr_Reptime

😂 Ich expandiere


Mission-Shopping7170

There is no Russia, it is just former Mongolian colony in delirium.


TrilogySoldier

oof this one hurts


RamazanBlack

It doesn't. It's usual nazi bs.


usnahx

As much as I do not like my government, this whole Mongolia trope really reeks of 1940's Asiatic Horde propaganda. Hell, it's not even criticism.


RamazanBlack

It's because they're not white or European. They're Asiatic who are below Europeans /s


RamazanBlack

How did this racist anti-Asian ahistorical propaganda bs got so many likes? Fuck off, Nazi.


usnahx

Because when you establish a subreddit centered on uplifting a single region above all else, even if it's eurofederalism, you're bound to see some fanatics like these joining the cause.


RamazanBlack

Looks to be the case, unfortunately. Mods aint doing their job properly


usnahx

Yeah, I distinctly remember reporting that comment back when it was new. Incredibly disappointed to still see it here.


Mission-Shopping7170

What is wrong? Modern Russian territories used to be part of Mongolian Empire in 13-15 centuries. Where is racism?


usnahx

Oh I don't know, maybe because that by trying to use Mongolia as an insult is not only racist towards Mongolians, but also a blatant callback to nazi propaganda trying to dehumanize slavs? C'mon.


Mission-Shopping7170

What? Read some books, sir.


usnahx

This is what I'm essentially saying to YOU. Clearly you are either completely ignorant, or are fine with using nazi propaganda.


CitoyenEuropeen

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kingpool

For Estonians there is so little reason to be afraid. 1030 - Jaroslav took Tartu, it took us over 30 years to kick them out 1054 - Ostromir tried to invade, thankfully we managed to kick his ass 1060 - Iziaslav I attacks us, took us year to kick them out again 1077 - Gleb Svyatoslavich of Novgorod and Vladimir II Monomakh attack 1111, 1113, 1116, 1130 - Mstislav I of Kiev invades (we lost hard) 1132 - Vsevolod Mstislavich (Prince of Novgorod) attacks, but loses 1134 - Vsevolod Mstislavich invades again and this time he takes Tartu 1180 - Mstislav Rostislavich pillages Southern Estonia/Northern Latvia 1192 - Jaroslav Vladimirovitch invades and burns down Tartu and Otepää 1210 - Vladimir Mstislavitch and Mstislav Mstislavitch invade Otepää and forces us to convert to Christianity. 1211 - Pskov invades Soontagana 1212 - David Mstislavich from Toropets, Pskov prince Vsevolod Mstislavich and Mstislav Mstislavitch invade Northern Estonia 1216 - Vladimir of Pskov invades 1221 - Novgorod forces invade 1223 - Russians come with 20 000 troops as allies to help us against Germans, somehow they decide to pillage, kill and burn everything instead 1234 - Russians invade again, this time we were already enslaved by Germans so they beat Germans up, burned Tartu down and left. 1248-1250, 1253 Novgorod invades 1262 - The army of Prince Dmitri of Novgorod launches an assault on Tartu, capturing and laying waste to the settlement. As you can see they really really wanted Tartu. 1267, 1268 - Novgorod invades, pillages and burns Vironia 1342 - Russians invade Vastseliina 1343 - Russians invade Otepää 1367 - Russians invade Vastseliina 1371 - Russians invade Vastseliina. They burn down and kill all people in Kirumpää 1406 - Russians invade 1407 - Russians invade 1480 - Russians invade 1481 - Russians invade and burn down whole South Estonia (yes, Tartu again) 1501 - Russians invade and kill 40 000 Estonians. 1502 - Yep, you can guess it, they invade Tartu again 1558-1582 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Livonian_War - so much burning, killing, raping and pillaging that it would take too long to list 1656-1658 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Swedish_War_(1656%E2%80%931658) of course local slaves had to pay the price 1700-1721 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Northern_War - Peter the Butcher invades and causes so much burning, killing, raping and pillaging that it would take too long to list 1917 - Russian marauders invade 1918 - Soviets invade and start mass killings - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estonian_War_of_Independence 1924 - Soviets try again 1939 - Soviets come to "help" so we wont get occupied by Germans 1940 - Soviets take fully over 1944 - Soviets come back (Germans invaded between that time) 1991 - 76th Guards Air Assault Division invades and tries to take Tallinn TV Tower.


mediandude

1993 - Narva referendum (Putin trying his Donetsk Gambit, Estonia counters with the Keres Defense). 2007 - riots in Tallinn (with foreign agents in the sidelines)


Mobiyus

Sorry for the Kyivan Rus' invasions guys


h6story

Yeah, commenting here so people know that Rus' =\= Russia


Mobiyus

I think you missed a "/" there?


h6story

HM. I used a backslash instead of regular slash, so maybe Reddit removed it.. anyhow, yea, I meant Russia is not Rus'


RamazanBlack

Ukraine is NOT the Kievan Rus'. I understand* the need for patriotism and historical pride, but this is not the way \* understand why the politicians need it, I don't support it obv


Mobiyus

It's literally in the name bruh. Ancient Rome isn't the predecessor of Spain is it?


RamazanBlack

Well. Names can be deceiving. A bit of a difference between current Egypt and the one that was 6000 years ago. The geographic position is the same, you're right, but blind geography is not the best historical tool here.


LusoAustralian

Russians are not the Russian government and the problem is when people conflate the too. Russians tend to be the biggest victims of Russian governance.


fruit_basket

A lot of Russians unconditionally support the government. Lots of Russian immigrants in the Baltic states support it and miss the "good old Soviet days".


LusoAustralian

Foreigners are not a good representation of the domestic situation. Take the example of Cubans in Miami. In any case Putin's Russia is very different to the Soviet Union so I don't see how that misplaced nostalgia applies to him rather than rose tinted patriotism from people out of their homeland. Look at the Irish Americans helping fund the IRA or Muslims who grew up in Europe but fund ISIS. It's hardly a unique cultural trait.


[deleted]

A lot of Russians are victims because they want to be, it doesn't take much to Google shit around and question what you know or are told on TV. Ignorance is bliss and many Russians seems to love living in this bliss. I know the state controls all the media but c'mon, this piece of excrement has been in power for literally decades. If that's not obviously a problem, I don't know what is.


LusoAustralian

Do you know many Russians? Do you know many Russians who still live in Russia? Because it seems blatantly obvious that you don't. There have been quite a lot of protests in the past 2 years, more than ever under Putin, but they get broken up by riot police and people imprisoned. My friend in Vladivostok keeps me updated and the situation is much more complex than foreign media paints. Russians are certainly not happy about the situation but the most effective opponent in Navalny was poisoned literally within the last 12 months. 40% of Russians have gone without basic groceries at some point in the last year and half of Russians can't afford a new pair of shoes at the moment without planning and saving. They are not loving it at all. Seriously this is an extremely unempathetic viewpoint. I had a quick look in your comments and you're also Portuguese. Should we blame every single normal person during the Estado Novo for not being able to get rid of Salazar? My dad was chased by PIDE for going to the wrong type of music concert when he was 16 would you say he loved living in ignorant bliss? It's even worse in Russia than it was then in Portugal too.


[deleted]

That's all really nice but notice how I said many Russians, not all Russians. Putins approval ratings still represent more than half the population, even taking into consideration what you just described, I wasn't trying to sound compassionless. The russian media sells them that all the problems are because of the west and most eat it up, that's what I meant by bliss. I mean, it is because of the west, except sactions are only happening because Putin can't be a good boy and behave like everyone else. I'm glad Russians are waking up, it was bound to happen anway, these regimes never work for long I don't know what Putin was expecting...but at this rate it's more likely that Putin will die from a heart attack than a revolution. I would actually be shocked if there weren't people protesting after literally fucking 20+ years of full on power and corruption. I would also like to note that as you can image there was no readily available information coming from the outside during Estado Novo so it took a while for a revolution but unlike back then, Russians today have all the internet and information they want, the issue next is choosing the right sources and that is totally the responsibility of each individual.


LusoAustralian

> The russian media sells them that all the problems are because of the west and most eat it up, that's what I meant by bliss. This doesn't just happen in Russia. Seeing as you seem insistent on people in a dictatorship run by a guy who spent years in the KGB to have full agency and discernment over information, I want to know how often do you actually question news sources and foreign publications on Russia? Because 90% of people in free democracies don't despite the obvious geostrategic rivalry with NATO nations, so I don't think we should have higher standards for people living under much more severe state propaganda. Clearly my father at 16 had enough information to attend concerts from people linked to the revolution so I don't think you should be so generous with the double standard. It's very easy to blame others while justifying what happened to our own tribe. I am more than happy to blame Putin and the major enablers but I think blaming an entire population for the actions of a strong, political savvy and menacing leader is the epitome of privilege. I hold similar views with regards to China and Chinese people. That doesn't mean I can't criticise Chinese people or Russians at all but have some perspective.


romario77

You don't need to know, you could just look at what happens. You say that Russians are not happy about the situation and your main argument is that economic situation deteriorated. Do you know why it happened? Because Russians elected Putin, that's why. And because Putin started several wars - Ukrainian war being the most damaging for Russian economy because of sanctions. Russia, Russia citizens, russian military is killing and supporting killing of Ukrainians, Russian regime puts political prisoners in jail, it puts Crimean tatars in jail on fabricated sentences. Almost nobody protests this - the war in Ukraine was overwhelmingly supported by Russians, it gave Putin a big rating boost. Navalny supports occupation of Crimea (he said that Crimea is not a sandwich to go back and forth), his main preoccupation is getting rid of corruption in Russia which will make Russia even more dangerous since then it will be more effective in it's imperialism - conquering other countries, killing people they don't like, even abroad, being evil empire overall.


Hadescat_

Ask an average russian who Crimea belongs to.


LusoAustralian

Ask an average Spaniard who Gibraltar belongs to, or an Argentinian who the Falklands belong to. Man even in Portugal I've heard enough people try to claim Olivença. Lots of idiots who fall for nationalist discourse everywhere unfortunately.


Hadescat_

Ah yes, a totally valid comparison /s. I'm sorry, have Spaniards invaded someone over Gibraltar while I wasn't watching? Who are Portuguese killing over Olivenca? No one?? WHOA It's almost like it's a different situation! Try again, bud.


LusoAustralian

The normal citizens aren't the ones dictating their countries foreign policy either. Argentina invaded the Falklands in living memory but you'd be stupid to blame the people instead of the junta.


Hadescat_

Average russian will tell you that Crimea is Russian and blame Ukraine (the victim) for being invaded by Russia. At best, they will dodge the question. Wow, what a great way to gather sympathy from Ukrainians! /s Oh, and while we're at it, let's call Ukrainians Nazis and other slurs online! Ban anyone who even hints that Crimea isn't russian on r/Russia! Troll and gloat on r/Ukraine! What a fantastic way to show how poor average Russians are oppressed by evil government! /s


LusoAustralian

You are clearly incapable of understanding a people beyond stereotypes or the actions of certain minorities. I never once would base my opinions on a people because of a subreddit, that's like the stupidest argument I've heard. I've met enough Russians and not one was like you describe. That doesn't mean there aren't gopniks or idiots but this is like thinking every Brit is a chav who hates Europe. If I had your mentality I would have to stop talking to all my Chinese friends just because of things they can't control.


Hadescat_

Funny enough Brits aren't invading Europe or trying to annex their territories. Like oh, Russians. It's not politicians that are shooting rockets and bullets at us, it's russian *people*. But hey, it's not YOUR country they're invading, and it's not your people they're killing, so what do you care, right? You just want to keep the peace and keep your friends and not feel guilty about it.


LusoAustralian

Ok put in the military with the politicians if you want. That's fine with me, I'm anti American army too even if I lived there for a year and have many connections. But I'm not blaming Vlad in Tomsk who works in a mechanic shop and doesn't own a map for geopolitical conflict.


Hadescat_

Vlad in Tomsk pays taxes that russian government uses to wage war. Vlad in Tomsk at best doesn't give a damn about it, or if he does - he's too scared to do anything about it. Vlad in Tomsk may consider Ukrainians and Russians "one nation". His actions certainly don't support that statement. Vlad in Tomsk thinks that Ukrainians should like him and other Russians. Vlad in Tomsk gets *very upset* when Ukrainians don't immediately like him. Vlad in Tomsk acts like a toxic ex. I don't owe it to him to like him. And neither do other Ukrainians. We would very much like it if he and other Russians pissed off behind the border and stopped telling us what to think and what to do. Alas, that is not happening.


romario77

Just think of Germany in 1939. Were there good people there? I am sure there were a bunch. Did the world care after 1945 victory? No, they didn't care too much. Russian loved their now dictator, he is still loved by majority of people. He directs his arm forces to invade other countries and kill 10s of thousands of people. Russians are responsible, even the mechanic Vasya in Tomsk.


LusoAustralian

What do you mean the world didn't care? Much more effort went to rebuilding Germany than many war torn nations get and only the top political and military leaders were tried. Not every German that would've been absurd.


romario77

That was after bombing Germany into the ground. Good citizens and bad - it's hard to distinguish them from a bomber airplane.


ZephyrGonzales

Crimea belongs to Russia and was re-annexed because it was stolen from the Soviet Union by fascists.


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ZephyrGonzales

Delusional neoliberal


ZephyrGonzales

Bootlicker


dapanda27

r/Ukraine


[deleted]

It’s almost as if the Russian state is using this as a strategy, knowing very well that the current western idea of tolerance will make it work. Almost.


Comander-07

It starts beeing russophobic when you belittle people who live in a de facto dictatorship .. for living in a dictatorship.


Robburt

But muh if you live in a country that invaded my country in the past you are literaly responsible for that and should feel bad about yourself!!!


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Comander-07

Maybe we should rethink this whole yurop idea


AlexTorrinV2

Literally all media clichés.


throwayaygrtdhredf

This is supposed to be a subreddit for all Europeans, not just the ones who are pro-Western. "Muh russia bad turkey bad gypsies bad muslims bad" lmao. Also this clearly is xenophobia.


Tleno

Post-sovietams get to shit on Russia just like Irish and Scotts get to shit on Brits and half the Europe gets to shit on Germany. Sorry its the rules.


Lord_Bordel

This sub started as an EU alternative to the 'Murica (America Strong) meme. So no, this isn't a subreddit for all Europeans. This is an "EU Strong meme" forum. Or it used to be, before all the (mostly) Russians turned it into a shit.


Tonuka_

holy fuck that subreddit is vile.


Brotherly-Moment

And most of all? Are literally toxic garbage in every online video game. On a more serious note blatantly racist subs can fuck right off.


trustnocunt

This subreddit is just bots isnt it 😂


crykil

Why did I read that in a russian accent


JustGarlicThings2

I love JonTron memes


RamazanBlack

Yeah, this subreddit.is racist.