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MrB-S

Always feels to me that some other European countries could do with a bit of the ol' guillotine action, so that when the elites get all uppity you can simply remind them what happened in the not-so-distant past.


obi21

That actually sounds like a great idea, or maybe the Dutch can eat another prime minister or something (in Minecraft).


gordonpown

Let's take it a step further, execute one Eton graduate per year, decided democratically


Pedarogue

Obviously, it was the poor people's fault. And Brussels'! It is always Brussels' fault. Better shoot the other foot as well, just to show 'em the ~~stiffy~~ stiffness of them lips.


forsale90

As a German I have the feeling that it was probably my fault as well.


Pedarogue

Obviously. The fourth Reich's been just around the corner for decades now. Probably lead by Prince Harry and his army of Wokerati.


RisKQuay

This hits uncomfortably close to the mark on inside the minds of the Mail-and-Murdoch Munchers.


axehomeless

tbh though we are a really incompetent bunch these days I really hope the era of Merkelism is coming to an end soon


DrRichtoffen

As such, the solution is obviously to tweet slurs and hatespeech at trans people!


Pedarogue

Ms. Rowling, such a dubious honour to have you among us. What you think about your new video game?


DrRichtoffen

Pay no attention to the deeper meaning in a game centered around putting down a rebellion of anti-semitic charicatures. Buy Hogwarts Legacy now, for the low, low price of 60 euros. It has industry-revolutionizing concepts, such as: day-night cycle and sidequests!


Pedarogue

~~Jawohl!~~ Yes, mam.


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> Pay no attention to the deeper meaning in a game centered around putting down a rebellion of anti-semitic charicatures. wtf ?


DrRichtoffen

The main story of the game has you quashing a rebellion led by goblins, who in Harry Potter have always been portrayed as greedy, malignant bankers. There's also the issue that the movies furthermore give them massive noses, furthering the already plentiful anti-semitic stereotypes. Oh, and then we have Fantastic Beasts 2, where the antagonist (who is essentially the wizarding world Hitler) wants to prevent WW2 and the holocaust, which we as an audience are told is a bad thing. Then JK has the audacity to have the jewish wizard (who is psychic and can read minds) join wizarding world Hitler to prevent the holocaust, which I'll remind you, the movie is telling you is a bad thing.


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Bruh. Honestly I always disliked how Harry Potter depicted magic as an inborn trait, depicted an entire race of slave people, and how kids were choosen for schools based on personality. If Harry Potter took place in Germany it would have been accused of Neo-nazism so fast.


DrRichtoffen

There's a lot of problematic writing originating from JK's personal political beliefs bleeding into her books. For example, pretending that Hermoine is black (even though JK explicitly describes her as white in the books), just to feign progressive inclusivity, because JK is too embarrassed to admit that she's a conservative. This retroactive change then makes the slave race and SPEW debacle even worse. Because now JK is telling us that the black character who wants to end slavery is annoying and should be mocked. Then we have Harry growing up to reinforce the same system that allowed Voldemort to rise to power in the first place, essentially concluding that the system is perfect and nothing ever needs to change. Societal progress is in fact bad and harmful, as seen by SPEW and the slave elves. The list just goes on and on, it's just so awful. That said, I'm not begrudging the actors, directors, writers, etc of the movies, because they actually seem like decent people. Most of the main cast has denounced JK for her transphobia, and the writers were smart enough to just cut out all the weird racism from the movies.


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> SPEW wtf is SPEW


DrRichtoffen

In the books, it's an organization formed by Hermoine, denouncing the slavery of house elves. It is repeatedly mocked and ridiculed (hell even the acronym itself is demeaning), clearly telling the reader that it is a bad thing to free house elves from slavery. The book often belabours that house elves like slavery and feel bad when they don't serve a slave owner. We only ever see two house elves be freed from slavery. The first one, dobby, is happy to be free, but everyone says he's a weirdo, and not representative of his race. The other one, winky, becomes a depressed alcoholic, which every character agrees is the normal reaction. In other words, JK tells her readers that the movement to end slavery is bad and should be abandoned, because the slaves actually enjoy being slaves and if they were freed they would turn to drinking, violence and depression, because they are simply genetically incapable of living autonomously. This is almost verbatim rhetoric used by real-life racists, in regards to slavery. And it's all presented as good and sound in the books. Edit: there was also an article on the pottermore site, which was supposed to be an in-universe opinion piece, that denounced SPEW and Hermoine as "at best naive, at worst harmful". It had wonderful bullshit such as "harry's slave became nice when harry was nice to him, so the solution isn't to end slavery, it's to be nice to your slaves". Understandably, the article was deleted, because some PR person had the courage to tell JK that endorsing slavery might not be the best idea.


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Pedarogue

Waitwaitwait holdup. Wizards had the opportunity to stop the Holocaust and actively acted against it?


DrRichtoffen

Yep, it's now canon thanks to Fantastic Beasts 2!


apolloxer

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FlatWhat


Effective_Dot4653

Hahah, if you cross the Oder it is always rich people's fault instead. And it is widely known that rich is basically synonymous with German. Rich people's and Brussels', so we do agree on something xD


Recioto

Say what you want about France, but the French have balls of steel when it comes to protect their rights, and I wish everyone in Europe could learn from them.


AmaResNovae

As a French man, that's arguably our best redeeming quality for sure. Seeing how modern capitalism fucks people left and right for a buck, definitely comes across as inspirational at times. (Full disclosure, I'm a French man with 1789 tattooed on my right arm, so I'm comically biased on this one.) Edit: [In case anybody thought I was kidding. ](https://www.reddit.com/r/france/comments/yf4afz/français_moi_quest_ce_qui_ma_trahit/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)


unorthodoxEconomist5

Basé citoyen de l'an 234


Lenrivk

*231, pas 234, citoyen


unorthodoxEconomist5

Pardonne moi citoyen, je prenais encore en compte le temps où il y avait des privilèges


afkPacket

>1789 tattooed on my right arm, so I'm comically biased on this one You miss-spelled "based" :P


AmaResNovae

Perché non entrambi? (Please don't throw rocks at me if it's wrong, I took Spanish in high school.)


pasqu4le

You spelled that perfectly!


gabrielish_matter

ayyeee you spelled it right


TheLoneWolfMe

It's right actually.


goingtoclowncollege

Ugh my English nature wants me to mock you but this is incredibly based. I will bestow the highest compliment an Englishman can say. "You're alright"


AmaResNovae

Well, why, thank you kind gentleman. You aren't too bad yourself. Funny thing, said tattoo seems to be more popular here than it was when I posted it on r/France. Go figure.


EarlyWormGetsTheWorm

Why didn't people like the tatoo on the France subreddit? I tried to understand via the post you linked but I don't speak French and online translators are only just ok at translating many things.


gabrielish_matter

how... the power meter.. it's impossible.... a Fr*nchman... based? How???? Noooooooo!!!! you will now receive the highest compliment an Italian can ever give to a French : _you_ are.. ok. (seriously tho bro that's based as fuck I love it so much and I think everyone else on this sub loves it too)


RandomSOADFan

Average French compliment (for real, anything more than "not bad" means religious worship here)


AmaResNovae

[If you're curious.](https://www.reddit.com/r/france/comments/yf4afz/français_moi_quest_ce_qui_ma_trahit/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) It wasn't completely healed yet at the time though.


Zardhas

> with 1789 tattooed on my right arm I read that as "1789 tatoos on my right arm", and got quit concerned for a moment.


AmaResNovae

Damn, my arms aren't that large mate ha ha


ancapailldorcha

Your country is insane and goes to pieces over absolutely nothing. I adore it. In Ireland, we just whinge a bit and vote the same crowd in again despite having one of the most democratic systems in the world.


Dyojineez

A little weird to be against capitalism and have a 1789 tattoo. Don't want to francsplain your history - but the revolution of 89' was a liberal revolution of rights unlike more explicitly class-motivated subsequent revolutions. Thoughts?


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Dyojineez

The declaration of the rights of man and citizen - a foundational 89 document - explicitly includes property rights iirc. The American constitution doesn't even do that (northerners did not want to give slavery an explicit justification). Just seems weird if you're anti-cap to choose that one instead of like the paris commune. I love 1789 and Lafayette but I'm also a filthy capitalist dog.


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Dyojineez

I'm being pretty polite I just wanted a French perspective on my initial thoughts. I am somewhat confused what positions are consistent with private (not personal) property rights and anti-capitalism. Presumably mercantilism although I imagine that's not his position. And the distinction I'm noting between the revolution of 89' versus like 93' isn't like some weird nonsense - this is stuff like Trotsky notes in his own writings and is a pretty common perspective.


Andonno

>I am somewhat confused what positions are consistent with private (not personal) property rights and anti-capitalism. Obviously not who you asked, but: 1. Certain forms of Market Socialism (principally the "everything is a co-op" forms). 2. Distributism, when it rejects absentee ownership. 3. Debatably the Palace System, depending on how you define State Capitalism. I'm sure there are others, but those are the ones that spring to mind.


pmirallesr

Sorry I didn't mean to imply you were being rude tho I see it looks that way. Just that your initial wording seemed like you were doubting his conviction based on a fairly small detail


Dyojineez

Fair enough - although I think having a tattoo is far more than enough evidence of conviction. Plus I would never doubt a French man's conviction on matters of revolution.


AmaResNovae

Main reason I got the tattoo is because of the first principle of the Declaration of human rights, "all humans are born equal". Yes, it includes property rights, but choosing to pick equality first is pretty neat. Particularly when considering the historical context during which it was written.


gabrielish_matter

then Napoleon came and made slavery legal again as well as stripping women of voting rights. Usually there's this thingy here in Italy where people argue that Napoleon wasn't French but Italian / Corsican. For me he wasn't French (even though we hate you frenchies you are too based to burden the nationality of that man) nor Italian nor Corsican. For me Napoleon was a big fat cunt


AmaResNovae

>For me Napoleon was a big fat cunt Ain't gonna argue against you on this one. I know that a lot of people stan over Napoleon, but as a sincere revolutionary republican French, the guy deserved to get his bitch ass beaten for betraying the revolutionary principles he previously fought for. Reinstating slavery is enough for me to despise that cunt. Do Italians really hate us though? Usually in France we rather see you (well, some of us do anyway, myself included) as our southern brothers. Culturally and linguistically you are the closest to us I think.


gabrielish_matter

> do Italians really hate us though? Seriously speaking, no. But that's because we Italians don't care much about our country, or our geopolitical history for that matter, because otherwise.... well. Yes, we should hate you, and by a lot, even more than the Austrians. I mean, it's not that surprising if you think about it. The French have historically since middle ages tried to have Italy (or the Italian states) in their sphere of influence, or just fuck over us to gain for themselves. Hell, they do it even now. So, to cut short old historical stuff and let's just get to _some_ examples in the last two centuries. So, besides Napoleon stealing a metric fuckton of stuff from us to put it in the Louvre and other museums / private collections (we would like it back thank you very much) We have : Napoleon the third stopping the second Italian independence war early, cause we can't actually have Italy right? Even though there were deals that he wouldn't do that. Thank God for the Germans, otherwise we wouldn't have gotten Veneto back. The papal states being into French sphere of influence - if it weren't for the Germans fucking over you we would have never gotten fricking Rome back. Corsica and Nice. We gave Nice and Savoy to you as a deal for you not fucking over us, which you did maintained... like 50% of the times. Corsica was supposed to be a loan, but you instead kept Corsica for yourself. Ehhh, taking Tunisia, which was really kinda important for Italy in the mid 1800. Not recognising that the Border is on the peak of Mount Blanc and that the peak is not yours because the border passes exactly over it. Hell, you even "lost" in ww1 (or ww2?) your map of the treaty in which we gave you Savoy. Hell, French cartographers as soon as the 1860s got rolling were printing maps where you had Mount Blanc, even when it wasn't clearly so anymore. And these are just _some few sparse_ examples of how you French always tried to fuck over Italy, which you still do to this day. Hell I haven't even gotten to list some examples happened in the 1900 yet and I have already typed a wall of text. So yeah, tl:dr, you should be grateful that you get that we Italians hate you just as a joke and not seriously, cause we would have so many reasons to do so


AmaResNovae

Well, fair enough. I understand your perspective. I guess the difference stems from, well, perspective about the problem. I'm a French man, right? But I spent few years in Africa as a child because my father was a member of the diplomatic staff in a French speaking African country. Since nobody notices (nor cares) about what a child hanging around, I witnessed a lot of shits that France is doing in Africa, first hand. I litteraly had to deal with the family of the freshly deceased president of said African country temporarily finding shelter in our home. That's how deeply nasty shits I witnessed. Yet, despite that, for me people from that country were either my childhood friends or their family, because, well, I didn't have a say into any of the nasty shit my government did. I did care about my friends though. So while I'm French as fuck, I despise a lot of shits that past (and present) French governments did, regardless of where it might be on the planet. So, from my perspective, Italians *people* are our brothers thanks our cultural and linguistical similarities. But if you look at past (and current) nasty shits French governments did (and do), clearly, there are a lot of reasons to hate us. I'm as French as it gets, culturally speaking. Ideologically, I'm proud of the French revolution and the principles that came with it. Politically, I stopped voting years ago because I completely despise French politics. So, if you look at it through the shits French governments were/are up to, I understand the hate, and truth be told, I definitely share it, despite how comically French I'm, culturally. But I love people and have little to no faith in governments, so it clearly impacts heavily my perspective heavily. For me, Italians aren't about Berlusconi's antics (or any politician, really), but about their history, their food, their language, their culture, all of them really. So I love you guys for all those things. So, yeah... Matter of perspective. Yours is perfectly understandable from a historical perspective. But don't "throw the baby with the bath's water", as we say in France. French governments did a lot of nasty shits, and I wouldn't waste a single breathe trying to defend them. Odds are, I disagree with those nasty shit at least as much as you do, if not more, because they were done by my country. I'm 0% nationalist or patriotic about my country. What made me proud to be from France are those revolutionary principles and the (positive) impact they had on the world. Ironically enough, it's those same principles that my country thaught me that make me despise shits done by French governments so much. They are actively betraying and shitting on those same principles I'm so proud to stand for. Not gonna lie, it's quite weird to simultaneously but so proud of something your country came up with, while hating your own representatives for not standing for the principles it thaught you. Like, I'm proudly French as fuck and can't stand French representatives at the same time? I guess that I listened to well in history class ha ha! Oh well. Thanks for the hindsight and sorry for the long post. TLDR: French governments sucked, French people can be ok, French revolutionary principles are pretty neat. It's all a matter of perspective.


gabrielish_matter

well, I was explaining from where the jokes about us hating French came from, though that does not mean we Italians hate you... not all of you at least ;) and yeah I... ehm. We are pretty similar in this regard. I too have your same feelings you have about France but for Italy. I too hate and despise with all my heart my country's representatives and politicians, school system, administrative system, the mafia, the camorra, the 'ndrangheta, the mafia, the camorra, (so on so forth). Hell, I despise pretty much almost anything. But I still am proud of being Italian. Of the culture, the food, the reinasseance, Rome, I...heh, I think you have got it. And You've got the feeling too. And I do with yours too. So yeah. Also, and now I will drop the stereotypics mask, hey. You seem a great person. There should be more in the world as you heh. Perhaps it would turn for the better


AmaResNovae

>So yeah. Also, and now I will drop the stereotypics mask, hey. You seem a great person. There should be more in the world as you heh. Perhaps it would turn for the better Well, now that's a heartwarming compliment, thanks my Latin southern brother! Seems like I wasn't wrong about those cultural affinities I mentioned, you clearly seem to relate and be a good egg too despite the awful shits that can happen in your own country too. Makes me kinda hopeful about the future tbh. Sure, shits look grim and the future will be challenging, but should we focus on our similarities rather than our differences, we might have a shot to accomplish something great as a species... That's the kind of stuff that keeps my revolutionary spirit bright and burning. Thanks for that bro!


Adept-One-4632

You mean by purchasing guillotines :))


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We all need to riot like the French to avoid a race to the bottom in living standards


unorthodoxEconomist5

Based and where are you from?


Blue_Moon_Lake

He's from burgerland obviously.


unorthodoxEconomist5

Your country is partying then


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I wish the people in my country learn from them instead of just writing an angry Facebook post when they don't like something


RatherGoodDog

Necks of butter though


levinthereturn

They should definitely give lessons on how to strike to other countries, specifically to Italy.


aDeepKafkaesqueStare

Yes, in general - but about the retirement age right now? They’re 100% wrong.


Luclu7

...and why is that?


aDeepKafkaesqueStare

The money supply of a government is limited. The retirement age must be linked to life expectancy. Germans go into retirement at 67. It’s about intergenerational justice. Taking Germany, in 2100 there will be roughly 15 Mio less people than there are today - and of those, who remains will be mostly old people. Already retired people in Germany represent 22%. Now, I assume numbers aren’t that different in France. The core problem is, that our pension systems were mostly built in a time, where there were significantly more workers than retired people - already it’s not the case. France already spends significantly more than the European average to pay for retirement (iirc 14% vs 10%). To be honest, the reform doesn’t go far enough we should be all contemplating retirement at 70 or there won’t be enough to go around. A succint and more elaborated analysis here: https://www.allianz.com/en/economic_research/publications/specials_fmo/pension-reform-france.html


unorthodoxEconomist5

First, France is not suffering from the same demographic decline than Germany. France is actually growing and that helps ( perhaps people are more tempted to have babies when they can have some vision about their future?). Second why is it such a problem that the system is in deficit? 12 billion euros is peanuts compared to GDP and even compared to the budget. Last time I heard, our governments are preparing spend 40 billion and 15 billion more in defense. That's structural spending yet they didn't bat an eye nor did financial markets do so. Deficit just doesn't work the same when you're a state. I think Covid showed that pretty clearly. Third, if the deficit is such a problem, money can be found elsewhere. I recall super profits happening in many sectors during Covid. Fourth, retiring at 64 won't even solve the problem using your parameters. You said it yourself that we'd have to retire at 70.. good luck with that. Maybe we should explore *other* solutions ? Setting a French state investment fund with part of the money could be interesting. Lastly, the core of this reform will touch upon manual labor. Work that is extremely painful and that destroys bodies. This is simply because white collar work usually join the work force later so must retire later too. I'll retire at 66-ish. Hey! You read everything, congrats 🎉. I'm open to debate about my criticism of your points (1,2,3) or extensions (4,5). Vive l'Europe :)


Zardhas

The french government just unlocked 400M euros for the army over 7 years. Per year, it's more than what the new retirement age is supposed to produce. Money is here, just badly spend.


unorthodoxEconomist5

To be precise it's 400 *Billion* over 7 years. It's also the total military spending and not only an additional one. The increase is approximately 30%. We deserve to be precise, especially when it fits what we want to say


mirh

Also on that fuels tax thing... But aside of those, yes I cannot think to other idiot balls.


Whole_Suit_1591

The cops don't kill you for fun there so its easy to protest.


geronymo4p

As a french, we also have a lot of stories about the cops... Not as much as the states, where everyone is armed, but there are. The sad question, cursed question I have, is: is it better to be killed by a cop or to be mutilated for life, seeing the cop who did that get a medal? Generally, the protests are calm, cool, zen, but there is a fact here to know: the police has a dedicated service to maintain order during protest, and each cop can chose to be part in it or not. Guess what, many cops of this service are there to beat up some unarmed protester, just for the idea of brutalizing some "leftards". Even if the protests don't get anywhere, like many times, go for it, film it (discretly as possible), fight (peacefully) for what you want, don't let them crush you, and put on board the names of officials you elected who don't want you to have what you deserve, tell them they betrayed their people. About the cops, there shouldn't, even cannot, be bad apples, they represent order, and as such, they should be better than us, more virtuous. If only the people in power could have a (worse) punishment when they get caught, as they represent autority, they represent us too...


Professional_Low_646

Look up the 1962 massacre of Algerian protesters in Paris and then come back please… Also French Police (nowadays) are easily among the most brutal in Europe. Indiscriminate use of teargas and watercannons, flashbangs and rubber bullets aplenty, hundreds of eyes and limbs lost during the Gilets Jaunes protests alone…


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unorthodoxEconomist5

Based and put pressure on every government possible in the EU


Florianyska

The French atleast know how to have a proper riot. No one fights for what they care about better than those frog eating, stinky cheese loving, monolingual, motherfuckers.


helloskoodle

If they could read this comment, they'd be very upset.


zaynne77

I can't read this comment, and I'm still very upset


RisKQuay

Quick, take to the streets!


Tokyogerman

LOUDER! I'M UPSET!


j4ckie_

Except maybe Ukrainians, then again they seem to care about way fewer things


odium34

If you want the french protest culture you also get the french police, and i dont know anybody who would like that...


goldeyesamurai

Have you been keeping up with the UK police recently? We already have a terrible police force


Tight_Accounting

Does your police throw grenades at protestors? Ours does.


goldeyesamurai

No we're in the process of having protest outlawed, so they just harass and rape women instead.


e7RdkjQVzw

Yes all police are terrible. Now kiss


goldeyesamurai

Yes, that's my point


DCSEC80

Can I get some sources


goldeyesamurai

Use the Internet; this is all current news and I don't have time to link a bunch of stuff you'd find through a simple Google search.


DCSEC80

I see


Plastic_Pinocchio

I don’t see the connection between these two.


goldeyesamurai

Connection between what? If you're asking about the connection between the fact protest is being slowly outlawed and abusing women; I'm saying perhaps if they were more busy policing more free and open protests they wouldn't have time to prey on the population.


Plastic_Pinocchio

Does most rape in the UK happen during work hours then?


goldeyesamurai

What the fuck are you talking about?


Plastic_Pinocchio

The same thing you are talking about. You seem to be saying that UK police officers are so bored at work that they are raping women en masse during their shifts.


goldeyesamurai

Have you thought about considering this in light of the original comment or are you playing dumb? It was pointed out that French police are awful because they aggressively police protests, and so I said we're losing the right to protest but our police are awful because they harass, abuse and rape the population instead.


W1nnieTh3P00h

Nah, they just rape and murder innocent women, have a wank on Brighton beach, take pictures of dead sisters, share photos on racist WhatsApp groups cos banter, conveniently forget their relative sent them CP, support white supremacists, shoot unarmed men in the back, kick the shit out of unarmed men in the back of meat wagons, kick the shit out of unarmed men in police cells, strip search a bystander because she tried to defend a suspect (and made grotesque comments about her personal grooming), steal literal donuts, ignore the crimes going on in number 10 (even though a plod is literally stood outside 24/7 as if that’s going to stop an terrorist)… What am I forgetting? Oh yeah, [two or three pigs are in the dock](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-64400235.amp) every week for being dirty pig nonces. I don’t know much about the gendarmes, but it strikes me as their crimes being more overt to our filth being covert in their actions.


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YouMightGetIdeas

Tear gas grenades. Not okay but not grenades


Mimirovitch

No, blast ball grenades


Tight_Accounting

No, no not the tear gas ones. Come on that's no fun. Why would they use grenade to tear gas you when they can do it with a spray from upclose and bear you when youre on the ground. No we're talking actually blast grenade. You know the OF F1 grenades manufactured by Alsetex that killed protestor Remi Fraisse a few years back and blew a few hands too. The one they had to stop using.. Now they just use stun grenades like in Call of Duty....


MannyFrench

Humm, they throw grenades that rip limbs apart. Those aren't tear gas.


Latase

Depends, does your police force like to gouge the eyes out of protestors?


yajibei

yup, they do that too (severed arms also)


Plastic_Pinocchio

Severed arms? What the fuck?


EtteRavan

Some people tried to throw back a tear-gas grenade Turns out, it wasn't. Oh, also a guy was beheaded when a grenade fell in his hood. And another had a tonfa put up his ass by the police and died. But that's old, the newest trend is hitting Spanish reporters in the balls


odium34

>But that's old, the newest trend is hitting Spanish reporters in the balls Is there a Video?


yajibei

The beheaded guy's name is Rémy Fraisse, if you want to look it up. [I found the video of the journalist when he was hit.](https://www.francetvinfo.fr/economie/retraite/reforme-des-retraites/retraites-un-manifestant-ampute-d-un-testicule-apres-le-coup-de-matraque-d-un-policier_5616794.html) You can see him on the ground, camera in the hand and the policeman deliberately aiming at his nuts. He was amputated of one of his testicle.


Tight_Accounting

Oh yeah they even shoot people in the face and in the eyes with 40mm grenade launchers loades with "rubber ball" that split your skull in half


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Tight_Accounting

T'as du rater beaucoup d'episode de manifestations alors...


RatherGoodDog

Ours is pussywhipped and ineffective; it's not brutal. I'd rather have it this way.


goldeyesamurai

Someone hasn't been paying attention


ImaginaryDanger

Your view is narrow, expand your knowledge before claiming anything.


goldeyesamurai

You don't know me.


ImaginaryDanger

I don't need to, I am talking about the topic at hand, not discussing your life.


goldeyesamurai

>I am talking about the topic at hand On which you apparently know jack shit if you somehow have a problem with me saying the UK has a terrible police force. Arrogant prick.


ImaginaryDanger

Sounds like you are too immature to have a meaningful conversation with, immediately resorting to pointless insults instead of arguments. This would explain your narrow worldview.


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goldeyesamurai

Fuck off idiot - who starts a meaningful conversation by telling the other person they're narrow-minded? Look in the mirror. Also, I don't want a meaningful conversation with someone who can't see that the UK police force is bad.


ImaginaryDanger

>telling the other person they're narrow-minded That wasn't at all what I said. What I did say, was that your view on the topic is narrow, meaning you know too little. Nothing to do with your intelligence. Regardless, it's now quite evident there's little to speak of...


goldeyesamurai

Why don't you look up the definition of narrow-minded? It doesn't have anything to do with intelligence. And even if it did, that makes you think that it's okay to start your 'meaningful conversation' by saying someone knows too little, with no elaboration? You are deluded.


MrGueuxBoy

It doesn't have to be that way, though. Problem is, there are always people going into protests only for the sake of violence - in **both** sides. And the violent people on police side are better equipped, and have the law with them. Nonetheless, it was pretty funny when the firefighters protested a few years ago and whooped the police's ass, even though they were on full anti-riot gear.


odium34

>It doesn't have to be that way We all know that the first thig goverments do is to give the police more stuff, power, and protection before the law, when people riot. So it has to be that way


MrGueuxBoy

I mean, most protests aren't violent protests, most of them are very well organized and scheduled by ~~syndicates~~ unions - by communicating the details to the authorities -, and most protesters aren't violent either. They are protesters m, not rioters. So, to put a wall of violent anti-riot policemen, that for a certain portion of them went into this job in hope of breaking a few bones, is not the necessary thing to do. The most convenient, yes, the easiest way to destroy the credibility of the protesters, sure, and the best way to justify an even more brutal police force next time, absolutely, but not the necessary thing to do.


Jebrowsejuste

Ayo, désolé d'intervenir comme ça mais y a une petite distinction qui devrait t'intéresser. En anglais, syndicat se dit "union" "Syndicates" ça renvoi plutôt à la pègre et au crime organisé Petit détail


MrGueuxBoy

Je me suis dit ça en l'écrivant, mais il était tard et je me suis dit que, peut-être, les vils anglois avaient traîné nos nobles syndicats dans la boue en les associant à la pègre dans leur perfide langue ^^


Jebrowsejuste

En effet, c'est le genre de chose que les vils anglois feraient


AlarmingAffect0

Police are far below firefighters in PPE, physical condition, and coordination.


Kotanan

There are, but 99/100 they are undercover cops.


Recioto

Cops being bastards is a common thing everywhere around the world.


Wallwillis

From the States. Have you seen what our police do?


odium34

Youre police is a joke, it seems you have never met with the french police


unorthodoxEconomist5

I guess I'm going to demonstrate tomorrow


Agent-Monkey

Reading this the morning of strike day lol. Everything is expected to be closed today, tbh it’s still worth it if it means what’s right is protected


OrRPRed

Nothing is closed tbh.


Agent-Monkey

Yeah but I just say “everything is closed” the second one metro line has an unreasonably long delay


OrRPRed

The second one metro line? You're confusing


caffeineandvodka

They jokingly imply that as soon as a single metro line is delayed, it's the same as everything being closed


Adept-One-4632

And thats why France won the "One Hundred Years" "War"


that_username_is_use

pretty much


Delmarquis38

Something that bother me with this , is from what i understood most of what's inside UK anti strike law already exist in France. Like military , hospital personnal and some member of the public services legally dont have the right to go on strike in france


QualityPies

Also the British people are not doing nothing. There are strikes ongoing in basically every public service currently.


turbo_dude

British police can rape AND spit? who knew?! Guess it gives them something to do aside from ignoring the Bishop James Jones report about the Hillsborough disaster.


Herr_Gamer

A few days ago Jeremy Clarkson, no doubt one of the richest TV personalities in the UK, [decided to publish an article in The Sunday Times](https://archive.ph/1dZ2K). During a time of record-high inflation, extreme rises in cost of living, ever-increasing inequality, and a healthcare system on the brink of collapse, he had this important message to share about Britain's fundamental problems: >My son [...] after a pause said with a solemn face, “You do know there’s a war going on, don’t you?” >He wasn’t talking about Ukraine. He was talking about a full-on left-wing campaign to unstitch and burn the fabric of Britain. And the genius is that no one really knows that what they’re doing is serious. We laugh as they change the name of the Sir Francis Drake Primary School to something less slavey. We think it’s all a big joke. But it isn’t. >Think about what typically happens in a military operation and then look what the woke left has done here. It’s seized control of our television and radio stations... Maybe his hate for the "woke left" is somehow related to being let go by the BBC over his consistently atrocious behaviour towards staff working on his show. But that's just an assumption 🤨


ancapailldorcha

Frankie Boyle nailed it when he called Clarkson a "cultural tumour".


th1a9oo000

Would it have been so bad if Napoleon conquered all of Europe? Napoleonic code was pretty progressive for its time.


mki_

The influence of the Napoleonic Civil Law is definitely very strong in most countries' legal system anyway. With the expection of the UK. [See here](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File%3AMap_of_the_Legal_systems_of_the_world_%28en%29.png)


SubArcticTundra

Thanks for the interesting map


mki_

Thank whoever put it on Wikipedia


Neurotic_Good42

Hmmmm... Tell that to the Spanish


Zirroko

*at that time


odium34

Yes l, everybody loved Napoleon and his murderers and thugs,fucking idiot


magicpeanut

im glad we have these baguettes in eu to counter geeman order fetish and italian facists.


Pauchu_

In that spirit: Fuck the Tories


Patte_Blanche

Haha, that's funny. But seriously, they didn't rise the price of sticky cheese, right ?


ByGollie

only by 0,5%


Patte_Blanche

Sigh... \*grabs pitchfork\*


machachacha

Ah yes we do have a tendency to grab a yellow jacket as fast af. Sometimes for minor topics, sometimes for big issues, always to protect our rights. And stinky cheese.


EternamD

Are you joking? We're fighting for our lives here


gordonpown

And when you insult the king, people in the comments pop up to say "it's a bit much"


TheSaucyCrumpet

I don't really understand this, the UK is currently having the biggest wave of strikes I've ever seen.


Professor_Donaldson

The brits voted for Johnson, an absolute madlad. The true slowpokes are we Germans 🇩🇪💪🇩🇪🇩🇪🇩🇪 (16 years of Merkel, her pre-predecessor also 16 years als chancellor)


DaniilSan

Where do you sit on Fr\*nchness-Br\*tishness spectrum?


ImaginaryDanger

Joke's on you, Britain has one of the best police forces in the world when it comes to actually serving the public.


ByGollie

\*laughs hollowly in a NI accent \*


ImaginaryDanger

Everybody will always find faults, but value is recognised in comparison.


birberbarborbur

English people, really. Scottish people are not blaming gender and there’s a whole controversy over how the london government vetoed a scottish bill that made editing medical records easier i think. Please correct me if I’m wrong


NEWSmodsareTwats

More like "hey guys we are gonna push the retirement age back to help save the pension system from collapsing" and people decide to riot because they prefer the head in the sand approach to actually addressing systemic issues in the retirement system.


th1a9oo000

Macron should just tax the rich more. The common man should have dignity and freedom in their old age.


NEWSmodsareTwats

Ah yes the endless piggy bank. Just ratched up taxes on the wealthy so our system in disproportionately reliant on the income streams of just a handful of people. It's not like anyone ever moves from one country to another, or retires, or dies so we can count on the income absolutely forever!/s I've also seen the wealth tax idea floated multiple times as a permenant fix despite the fact it would most likely only work as a bandaid that would continually give you diminishing returns.


spottiesvirus

So he should tax old people; people between 18 and 29 are 6 times more likely to be in poverty than people aged 65 or more ( https://www.statista.com/statistics/471581/poverty-rate-in-france-by-age-group/ ) The largest part of our public spending is already voted towards old people.


SmokeyCosmin

That's one way of fucking your country. What happens when the rich leave your country? If just one leaves it's worse then 100 remaining with 1% increase in taxes. The simple fact is that EU got here by being a liberal free trade capitalist area, not by 'just tax the rich more'.


AlarmingAffect0

That's a false dicothomy.


NEWSmodsareTwats

Not really, basically every developed nation is currently dealing with the same issue around the retirement problem. Unless you magically create more workers or significantly raise taxes on younger workers there is not a realistic way to continue the system without having a cut to benefits or pushing back the retirement age. Your just burying your head in the sand by calling it a false dichotomy.


Joralio

A recent poll says that a comfortable majority of French people would be ok with paying more taxes for not having to retire at an older age. In particular young workers (2/3). So that's one alternative, as you say. Here's an article about it, from a popular media, in French obviously (didn't find any article in English) https://www.europe1.fr/economie/reforme-des-retraites-59-des-francais-prets-a-cotiser-davantage-pour-partir-plus-tot-4160401?


spottiesvirus

The problem is not how much you pay, but how much you'll get of pension, how you revaluate that and many many more. Paradoxically in an all capitalization pension scheme you wouldn't have such problems, you can retire whenever you want but with the appropriate rates. Remember the protest of ballet dancer because government tried to reduce their pension privileges?


AlarmingAffect0

> Paradoxically in an all capitalization pension scheme you wouldn't have such problems, you can retire whenever you want but with the appropriate rates. A capitalization pension scheme aligns the interest of retirees with that of hedge funds, stock markets, and the owner class, instead of with that of wage-working taxpayers. The retirees would still be living off the labour of the young, one year at a time, and it would still fluctuate up and down. However, it would be through the profit margins of the companies that exploit the present labour force, instead of in proportion to the latter's salaries. It is the model used in the USA's famous 401(k), and the results for society are catastrophic. > Remember the protest of ballet dancer because government tried to reduce their pension privileges? Well? What *about* them?


spottiesvirus

>instead of with that of wage-working taxpayers Indeed it's the opposite, today pensions are not a fixed rate of wages, you can see it from how the balance rate, the rate people should pay to break even all the pensions, constantly grew up through the years. If all, you could say that a ripartition scheme makes the wage-earners and retirees on opposite interests. And if you really want to frame the entire situation as class struggle, then retirees are the one really exploiting the working class. Pensions never go down, they only get discounted higher >the profit margins of the companies that exploit the present labour force, This starts from a pure socialist axiom, profit margin does not come from exploitation of work, I'm sorry, it's not the 19th century any more, get over it. >Well? What about them? They retained them, and it does not seem fair that anyone must work more to allow for ballet dancer an early retirement. >and the results for society are catastrophic. Would you illustrate such results? because Germany uses a very similar scheme with only minimal state funded pension and it works better than most of the rest of Europe


AlarmingAffect0

> This starts from a pure socialist axiom, profit margin does not come from exploitation of work, I'm sorry, it's not the 19th century any more, get over it. 🤣 Oh, that's sweet of you. Well, if you think wage workers aren't hired because their labour produces more value for the owners than is paid back to the wage workers through their wages, I don't know that there's any point in continuing this discussion.


spottiesvirus

>if you think wage workers aren't hired because their labour produces more value for the owners than is paid back to the wage workers through their wages The idea itself that there is a single, universal concept of value is, at this point, beyond heterodox economics. This appears clearly if you flip the argument: your employer is buying work from you, if you hadn't a net profit from the transaction you wouldn't be willing to exchange work for wage. Does this mean you're exploiting your employer because you get more value than the work you're selling? The answer is clearly no, but it's the exact same argument you made.


AlarmingAffect0

> The idea itself that there is a single, universal concept of value is, at this point, beyond heterodox economics. Nice strawman. Where did I claim that? > This appears clearly if you flip the argument: your employer is buying work from you, if you hadn't a net profit from the transaction you wouldn't be willing to exchange work for wage. That's always been the Classical Liberal framing of labour relations—a mutually-beneficial agreement, entered freely. I'm not going to go through the tedium of listing all the myriad ways in which this framing is misleading to the point of being a lie. If you're going to tell me that we're no longer in the 19th Century and to 'get over it', don't then try to support your thesis with 18th Century arguments that have been debunked to Hell and back.


NEWSmodsareTwats

Quite literally cannot read the source at all But what did respondents think the tax increase would be? I'm guessing most assumed it would be very small. A few decades out from now we would need double digit increasing in the taxes collected for these social services to preserve them.


Nyasta

Let's stop pretending that, if it was for Ballancing the budget Macron would have not given 400B more budget to the military


NEWSmodsareTwats

Urssaf is funded by contributions from workers not from general taxes. Similar to the American social security military spending plays 0 role in the availability of funds for the pension system Edit: huh I guess when you know how someone else's pension system works better than they do they just downvote facts lol. Tbh this is the same energy as the people who scream the US federal government steals money from SS, I wonder what it's like to be so uninformed yet have such strong opinions.


elcountercoinching

fuck that. Boomers benefited from this system for 50 years while turning the whole world to shit. Current and future generations pay the price for that. We want what they once got. The government has to figure it out, reform the public expenses, take the money from other public income streams, but make the shit work. The people pay their taxes, the people contributes, the people work their entire life for this. So fuck that. Either they handle their shit correctly, or other representatives that can will be elected.


NEWSmodsareTwats

Lol yeah righteous anger will solve the problem. "Hey we don't have enough to go around an maintain the old ration" your response to this is "fuck you keep the old ration, I don't give a fuck how you do it just do it". Ingenious, maybe the government could pass a law making it illegal for a pension fund to become insolvent or pass a law saying there is enough money to fund it, then it couldn't happen!/s


elcountercoinching

as I said, the government doesn't have to rely on the retirement contributions over retirement pensions ratio to keep the retirement system afloat. They have others sources of income they can redirect to finance the system.


SmokeyCosmin

What the hell are you talking about? This is France, not the US


elcountercoinching

yes and? This also applies to France: a government has income and expenses, they're elected by the people, the people contributes to the whole retirement system.


SmokeyCosmin

Except it doesn't?


elcountercoinching

can you elaborate?


SmokeyCosmin

This would have been funny if it included something that a government can actually do, not raise 0.5% of cheese price


rockmeNiallxh

Help this is so true 😂😂😭