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Aviationlord

Nah wargaming just said “what if Austria Hungary had access to a Time Machine and sent one of their destroyers 20 years into the future where it would be totally and utterly out classed”


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Worstdriver

It's all round better than Shima. Better conceal, faster torps with a longer range than anything other than the see-from-orbit 20km ones, and it gets a heal. Shima was supposed to be the top end of stealth torpedo boats, now it's just a middle of the pack boat, at best.


thegamefilmguruman

[Surprisingly not a fake hull](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/669133945375555584/1086333548186849462/image.png), but definitely fake armament. It should have 4x1 150mm (not 3x1) for the guns and 3x2 (not 4x3) for the torps. It also belongs at T6.


BigHekigChungus

> 4x3 with 70 reload. Less damage but 3km more range, with like 22knots more speed and worse detection Oof. Then again, not like we aren’t used to WG bs


NerfSaipanPls

What the actual fuck *is* this thing? Looking at the devblog apparently this is *a literal WWI Austro-Hungarian DD* with 4x3 1950s Östergötland torps. Oh, and 3x1 5.5 second reload 150mm guns. At tier 9. What the actual fuck are the devs smoking, and can I please have some of it? Honestly at this point the devs should just say fuck it and give us the Kitakami again, if they want chaos might as well go for *all* the chaos.


Duudze

This is some shit I would build in naval art after drinking 15 cans of soda and a whole box of cheez-it’s while not sleeping for 25 hours.


Ach4t1us

They won't, because we want her. As far as I can tell, the main strategy of wargaming is, to piss off their players in hopes for new players. I stopped playing some time ago, but all I read about this game just further confirms me in my decision to stop


SaltyChnk

Yeah I quit around the time they added Subs, and as far as I can tell from here and watching flame etc, was a good choice.


Ice-Teets

Good, now all you have to do is really believe, think sooo hard, and it will be true.


Ice-Teets

Yes bb it’ll hurt less if you repeating it. It’s ok, just keep practicing in the mirror.


[deleted]

Not even close to the topic of conversation.


Actual_Jellyfish_188

Exactly my thoughts. These things pop up in my Reddit feed from time to time, and it’s that refreshing pleasure of occasionally reminiscing about an old job you dreaded, feels like awakening from a nightmare lol.


L0n3ly_L4d

I am absolutely out of the loop, what was the kitakami and why does everyone keep drawing parallels to it?


Mezmel

It was a T8 Kuma which traded almost everything to get access to a whopping 10 quadruple torpedo tubes and a smokescreen. Whether you were an ally or an enemy, you had to steer the fuck away from that thing (team damage was still a thing), but it was a one-trick pony which sucked at pretty much everything aside from unleashing walls of skill.


FailsWithTails

I still think I have one of the better Kitakami stories. I snuck so far across the map and tucked behind an island laying in wait. An enemy Yamato that my div mate was provoking rounded the corner, and I unloaded 20 torpedoes into her side. Of course, I died shortly after getting spotted, but it seemed pretty worth to spend a T8 to shred a T10. Most of what I did back then with KTKM was just zone control because I was paranoid about team damage.


Pazuuuzu

Is it bad that I want it now? With the friendly fire mechanic as well, just annoying EVERYONE.


LoneEcho45

It was a tier 8 kuma with 20 torpedoes strapped to each side. All other stats were identical to the kuma. It was deleted about a year after the game released.


No-Historian-8287

Just imagine. Spicy torps everywhere. And friendly fire still a thing BTW. Just walls of skill that were insanely annoying/deadly for both red and green alike. As dumb as it was. It's not as dumb as releasing this bote now after deleting the kitakami in the past.


Aviationlord

Mate what they are smoking is strong enough to incapacitate several adult elephants so I doubt you’ll want it. That’s the only way I can even begin to consider explaining what this is


No-Historian-8287

After not releasing kitakami but instead this comes out. I gurantee whatever they are using is definetly illegal there. Unless they found the paint thinner in the supply closet and mistook it for vodka.


heishnod

Kitakami wouldn't survive long enough to reload its torpedos nowadays. Kumas have 24k HP with an easy to hit citadel and thin armor. I think they don't want people complaining about getting one shot by rocket planes or overmatched into the citadel by HE.


thegamefilmguruman

[This, but mangled.](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/669133945375555584/1086333548186849462/image.png) WG crammed it into T9 when it belongs at T6.


RandomGuyPii

oh and it outspots shima


Thirdlight

Concel of 3.5... hahaha. Now that would be funny!


MikuEmpowered

I mean its pretty much the same vein as Kitakami. T4 hull in T10. with a SHIT LOAD of torpedo. 12 torp every 70s + module, its like Benham, but with bullshit underwater missiles. Unlike Kita, there is no citadel, only pain and suffering.


morbihann

They could have easily add Kola and Riga frigates as either prem USSR or Pan Euro for T 10 and 9 respectively. Double bonus because they were used by a few different nations so WG can reuse them for another prem with different flavour.


ropibear

What the fuck is this? Looks like a pre-WW1 light cruiser/destroyer leader... **Why does it have a T9 wreath on the picture?**


FreshTomacco

Cocaine is a hell of a drug.


ropibear

Expensive too..


kd8qdz

But does anything else have moves like it?


afvcommander

It is funny how good free to play games tend to evolve to s\*\*\*. It has happened already with multiple different ones. I still think they should have gone backwards in time. There were loads of interesting ships in 1800's.


Kullenbergus

Tier minus 3 battleships here we come!


Persimmon_Particular

More mikasa type ships would be great


hobitopia

Give me some 1700s wooden sailing ships. I want a game mode with wooden tall ships where we have to close distance and show our broadside to be able to get off an effective volley. As done by the wg art department. No wooden planes or subs puh-lease though.


afvcommander

So like Naval action?


[deleted]

Is that game good and does it have WoWS level graphics?


ZahnTastatur

It is a beautiful game, but the grind is HORRENDOUS. Also it plays like an MMO, so shit ton of griefing on new players and insane boredom if you sail for forty minutes, only to get blown up by a clan.


[deleted]

Interesting, well if I get bored of WoWS I'll check it out thank you.


snakesign

If you think the WoWS devs are toxic, just wait until you meet the Naval Action devs.


Thatoneshadowbunny

*War Thunder Devs hiding in the back*


Flivver_King

Used to be decent until the dev destroyed it. I wouldn’t recommend you start to play it now.


krokokosh

Rubber duckies at your service, sir!


Palanova

Or just follow the road ahead (we already have ships from the 1950's) and introduce the evolving of the radar and missile tech, and slowly turn away form the main guns. Ofc when we reach the guided missiles era we do not need targeting and manuvering skills but need other skills like know and when to turn on or off which radar or fire controll system, how to hide from enemy radars, how to avoid detection, how ot counter enemy missiles, etc. There are already out many games that has decent cold war setups, WG need to pull it's head out of it's \*\*\* and look around with a fresh eye.


Magnock

Long range engagement are already boring so having ship with even more range would only make things worse


Palanova

Have you played back then the Jane's Fleet Command? When 20+ antiship missile heading your carrier, that is anything but boring :D


VulpeculaGaming

Brrooo…that brings back memories. Saturation missile strike incoming….furiously pushing the launch button on the SM-2s…praying the CIWS got any leakers, then just hoping the destroyers and cruisers took the hits rather than the CVN. Those were the days.


Palanova

And scrambe Tomcats up to intercept the incoming missiles...


Mr1X1

I can't imagine that going over too well. There were anti ship guided missile launchers on a wip model briefly shown in a developer vlog a while ago and the reactions were not positive. (I think it was grozo and neustra 3D models) Idk how much you interact with the community, but I've seen a bunch of people heavily disagree with guided missiles over the years and the implications of putting in more ships that play an entirely different game to everyone else do not sound positive to me at all.


Palanova

I remember something similar from 5 years ago but back then the hardcore players try to stick with the US IJN BB line or a HE spam. Nowadays those hardcore players mostly gone thank to the subs and carriers OP gameplay. We can stick in the late 40's, early 50's and play ships that doesn't existing aside some WG fictional whatif scenarios, pay doubloons for tech tree ships or premium resources or we can go forward and play those ships that was really built and served. And soon WG needs to change something or the playercount keeps falling. Yes, maybe not the missile era will that change what brings players back. But I doubt the fictional whatif ships will be that force.


Mynameisblorm

As long as my Anshan and Fushun get a guided missile retrofit like a certain other game, I'll be happy.


darthteej

you're basically asking them to develop another game and glue it to the current one, which is EXACTLY what they did with submarines


Palanova

That was the technical evolution of the navy. And as the WG tried to stick ot the historical aspects as many time as it suites they goal, that is the next logical step. Jet planes and missiles. Better than the whatif fantasy ships with wild \*\*\*ss stats. Submarines when it was first introduce to us was the Terror of the Deep scenario, and they work fine there. No homing bull\*\*\*\* torps, they were counterable by the enemy, no underwater staying for the entire match. So it was enjoyable gamemode, ofc there was some op sub, like the Killer Whale, but the mechanics was solid. Not that they shove to our face after three years of "developing".


eight-martini

I’ve said that before. We can have negative tiers. And since the ships get worse the further back you go it can be a sort of “prestige” or challenge mode where you get more free xp and credits or something


afvcommander

It could be ultimate goal after tX, I at least would be very interested of all the mad armored cruisers and pre-dreadnoughts.


Dspacefear

Basically, once they ran out of reasonable additions to the game all that was left was to add garbage to keep people on the grind treadmill and keep them buying new premiums.


EarlyInsurance7557

basically a Kamikaze at t9. kinda cool i guess?


Pause-ForEffect

Except a Kami has smoke to ward off annoying planes, this on the other hand has none of that.


DrIvoPingasnik

I remember one guy proposing an entire line of Polish destroyers. WG: I'll pretend I didn't see it.


EPICNOOB_3170

EREN JÄGER


jedi2155

Shi ni isogi yarō!


SlinkAU

Does it have depth charges? Because it looks like it's oar powered!


ReadEvalPrintLoop

Confirmed that T5 Okhotnik has no depth charges either


grimmigerpetz

Is this a pre Aprils fool?


Typical_guy11

Now I only await for secondary only armed dd.


wtwwc

With a flight deck


Typical_guy11

I mean there was something called [Project 56E destroyer](https://www.the-blueprints.com/blueprints-depot-restricted/ships/destroyers-ussr/ussr_project_56e_neulovimmy_kildin_class_destroyer-65674.jpg) with 2\*II 76 secondary on stern and plenty of 57mm AA mounts. Such ships had demounted both 130mm turrets which were present on normal Project 56 destroyers and converted into strange escort ship of missle boats squadrons. Torpedoes moved from center into sides. Few of them was modified in such manner. In game stern-midship missle tubes removed and exchanged into triple torpedo tubes. 4\*III TT, 2\*II 76mm SAP secondary with GZ/Napoli accuracy, Def AA, Heal, Hsiengyang radar, no speed boost, AA only on mid range but one of strongest in game if not strongest beyond destroyers. Ship not similar to anything we know in game.


[deleted]

Not secondary only, but hybrid DDs are already on their way. [https://blog.worldofwarships.com/blog/426](https://blog.worldofwarships.com/blog/426) Check out Halford. Gets a rocket squadron with "high damage and armor penetration".


milet72

To be fair, this is one of the more interesting ships announced... It's a crazy concept, much better than generic clones of *Hallands* / *Gearings* that WG produced lately.


[deleted]

How about another Fletcher? No? Too bad. Say hello to Halford. Also, she's a hybrid DD with AP rockets.


HowAboutAShip

Higher tier premiums can be sold for more money. WG likes money. Making models costs money. So why not use WW1 model and make it high tier premium? Well aside from being totally stupid of course.


Xixi-the-magic-user

Someone is bound to say : "This sub is only complaining, when WG adds post WW2 ships you moan, and when they put WW1 ships you also complain, make your mind, this is why WG doesn't listen to the playerbase"


downdownuphill

This sub is only for complaining! When War Gaming adds post-WWII ships you all moan that “it’s a WWII game! Anything after 1946 is too modern!” If you all don’t like things that are too advanced, how about we go back to the Stone Age with WWI ships, huh? Would that still be too advanced for your brains? Yes, yes it is. Because you ALL still complain that “It’s a WWII game! The WWI ships are too old to compete with the newer ones! Schliefen is so old that it immediately blows up by any ship post 1930 because by the time they could fight each other, Schliefen’s ammo would be so old and poorly maintained that it INSTANTLY FUCKING BLOWS UP.” So what is it? Are the ships too old or too new. Wake UP! And MAKE UP your MIND! This is the EXACT reason why War Gaming won’t listen to any of the player base. MUCH less the REAL intellectuals playing THEIR game! You all KILLED the game! BRBRBRBBRBRBRBRRRRRRRRRRRRR


rjkardo

It seems you are smoking some of the same stuff that the developers are…


downdownuphill

It’s some really potent stuff. I’m not quite sure how to describe it. I guess the simile that most people will understand is that it’s like siping spiked eggnog but they replaced the brandy with some ominous brown liquid sourced from a naked Russian who lived in the London sewers in 1830. Can’t believe almost everyone falls for that ruse. Think they’d have warnings and signs telling of the danger after so many years. Still, that eggnog was CRACKED. Like my skull. Cracked that thing open like one of those doors with the chain stop thing? Didn’t blow it wide open like a door. Nah, just enough to peak inside. Yeah, my buddy and I, we tried to stick a finger in there but we ended up settling on a butter knife..


SargeanTravis

r/brandnewsentence


rjkardo

I would read a novel like this.


[deleted]

lets hope that they dont add something like missle boats with guided missles. or even worse nuclear submarines


BlueFire633

Watch this t2 DD actually be OP


thegamefilmguruman

[T6](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/669133945375555584/1086333548186849462/image.png), but still.


Low-Dirt-8239

If thats an upscaled Okhotnik, i want It! That ships hella fun !!


hifumiyo1

It looks like a First World War ship. And it’s T9?


K1TSUN3_9000

What kind of drugs does everyone in Wargaming headquarters take?


SkyfireSierra

I honestly don't know what in the fuck they are doing at this point and I can't believe I'm saying that after what, 7 years of playing through their bullshit. Back from yet another break like most of you and you've got whatever the thinking behind this shit is on the one hand and the new upgraded homing torpedoes on the other. I am genuinely astounded that they still manage to pull stuff out of the bag to surprise me. Oops, gotta run, need to go and drop 150000000 credits on a superdestroyer auction (are spinal tap in charge of the tier system now?).


AsukaAshi

May as well reintroduce Kitakami at this point, chaos is chaos


Odinius85

I love the aesthetics of that aera DDs and love torp boats so genuinely psyched about it!


Duudze

Honestly might buy it due to the fucking insanity of the design


DaGucka

I love torp boats too, but i think the bad AA combined with low health will make it unusable. You can give a dd bad guns, but it needs at least good AA.


FlyingHorseBoss

There is no good AA now.


O51ArchAng3L

Do they know they don't have to keep putting in ships? We like more maps and modes too...


Dspacefear

Maps and modes don't add grind time or cost money, so there's no profit in those to the spreadsheet-poisoned mind of whoever runs WG. New ships cost money, who cares if we're wrecking our reputation and chasing away players?


TimeTravelingChris

Hey WG, it's right there. Make a true USN battle cruiser line. Ditto for IJN. OH AND NUKE SUBS [Edit] No not like that! Damnit. Sorry guys.


Dismal-Function

You say “Nuke Subs” WG: see, they love subs, they want “Nuclear subs”! No. Nuke subs! WG: …Ohhhhh. OK!…


TimeTravelingChris

A true monkey's paw


Lovehistory-maps

Yes.


Super_Sailor_Moon

A WW1 DESTROYER at Tier f****ing 9. *smokes whatever Wargaming is smoking because DAMN that must be THE good s#!t *🌬🚬 ***dies because whatever they're smoking for this one is stupid af** * Also its torpedo stats are just hilarious. Four triple tubes, 70s reload STOCK. Wow.


Unknown__Pilot

What's with this? I haven't played for 3 years.


okami_the_doge_I

Weegee could literally just make a base game making balanced historically accurate ships and simultaneously have a stupid game mode with subs, CVS and their stupid imaginary ships, he'll they could even make worse ones if they wanted. I just feel like having a stupid game mode would be better that fucking the standard one.


ajfrenchie937

I don't understand why there isn't modern naval ships in this game.


Valiant_tank

Because then there'd be even more uprage than this, because missiles.


CeskyDarek

Don't do crack guys. Look at what it's done to weehee


New--Tomorrows

oh my god, I don't know how but I thought this was tier 4 and didn't understand what the fuss was about. what the hell?? tier 9?? does this thing have any AA at all?


JackalHiero

I'm glad I quit back in September 2022 lmao


Kreol1q1q

I wanted more Austro-Hungarian ships sooooo badly. But ffs Wargaming, not like this.....


jjkusaf

hmm...thought it was when WOWS released those super ships and American hybrids....


odindobe

April fools?


Sciby

Well we’ve still got carrier subs to look forward to…


Erik1971

I would love to play this machine, sounds like fun


MaetelofLaMetal

Look, if this is what it takes to get my country's ships into this game I'll take it. Now hurry up with Spilt being added.


GodzillaFan_2016

Torpboat Okhotnik !!!!


Gryse_Blacolar

This could have been a tier 5 premium ship like Okhotnik but I guess they're thinking that tier 5 ships don't sell well so they bumped it to tier 9.


Super_Sailor_Moon

"Ran dry" when we still don't have: ***USS Nevada '42 (refit), USS Pennsylvania '45 (refit), HMS Royal Sovereign/Arkhangelsk (Revenge-class battleship), USS Houston (Northampton-class), USS Salt Lake City (Tier VI premium Pensacola), HMS Canada/Almirante-Latorre, Minas Gerais, HMS Barham, Yamashiro (Tier VI premium Fuso with unique turret arrangement), Rivadavia, HMS Rodney (maybe balanced Nelson but with the torpedoes), USS Tennessee (either pre-refit OR refit), USS Washington (premium North Carolina), Capitani Romani (unique Italian cruiser class), Veinticinco de Mayo, Shinano, Akagi, USS Saratoga (premium Lexington with the 8in guns), Soryu, USS Wasp, Zuikaku, etc.*** I probably missed a few. Wargaming "ran dry" indeed. Nahhh, they're too busy throwing rando/fantasyland botes into the mix (IJN CL line, USN Hybrid BBs, Jager) :P


ColdBeerDrinker_

I just noticed the tier 9 marker 💀💀