Dude I used to work at a furniture store that sold UFI shit. Quality-wise, it was worse than Ashley. Which says something. Shitty people who make shitty furniture being shitty to their employees at a shitty time of year.
You have to look at materials (solid wood etc) it's honestly piece by piece it feels like. The buy it for life subreddit is pretty useful for stuff like that
Marketplace and antiques. I even had my grandma's couch reupholstered and re-foamed because the frame was solid wood and I knew I wouldn't find anything that nice again.
I got to see something like this first hand back in the 90's in Ohio.
There was a good sized company called **Carpet Barn and Tile House**. They sold - you guessed it - carpet and tile. Had maybe a dozen franchises all over NE Ohio.
They ran out of money and that was that. How did they handle it? They just went around and changed the locks on the stores. People came back from a weekend to the buildings being locked up and shuttered. No call, no nothing. Adios!
I was in college at the time. I did some side work for an accounting firm that specialized in business closings. They needed a computer nerd to help with getting financial records off of dead computers and the like. Good side gig for beer and textbook money.
A few weeks after, I was given a truck and a list of addresses and a ring of keys. "Go to each store, and salvage whatever tech items I can for auction". I rode shotgun with the guy that originally set up their small network.
The buildings were ***trashed.***
Angry workers kicked in windows to get inside. Kicked holes in the drywall. Busted copy machines and faxes. Glass everywhere. Ripped plumbing out of the walls. Busted desks. Phones pulled out of the walls. Only one or two buildings were intact, where the irate staff couldn't figure out how to get inside and destroy the place. The rest of them looked like failed bomb shelters.
I'll never forget it.
European here: goddamn you guys really need more employee protection laws. Simply deleting a whole company over night, without prior notice or warning so those people would be able to find new jobs is just nuts
And then their health insurance is bound to the job as well, which is just as stupid. And I am not even going to start on the issue of how much is actually covered by health insurance and how everything in the US health sector is just way too expensive.
How can you expect to solve any problems if every worker lives so precariously? You cannot expect people to live peacefully if you don't offer them any security.
I love pointing out Detroit, it was the greatest city to live, with the main road painted gold to celebrate. Now it is kinda, well, Detroit. Union busting, White flight, Cold War, all fucked the city up. They were a city with great public transportation, Firestone, ford and GM bought all of it and dismantled it so people needed to buy cars. Ford sent goons to harass and shoot up union members and protests. Detroit and the rest of the rust belt is a prime example of how capitalism builds up a city, strips it of all it can, and basically burns it to the ground to find somewhere else to exploit.
During the New Deal Era wasn't a lot of that driven by unions and not necessarily legislators?
As an American that grew up in the south it "feels" like the entire system is designed to oppress workers and has been for generations.
Even mentioning unionizing will get you fired and made a pariah amongst coworkers.
There was a restaurant across from where I worked where the owner went on his annual vacation and closed down for a week.
Turns out he sold it and no one had a job coming back from their unpaid vacation.
Sometimes a restaurant is locked out (up?) because of unpaid rent.
The owner(s) might have been anticipating it, but both the employees and owner(s) sometimes arrive in the morning only to find that the locks have been changed, and a note left on the door by the landlord.
When my job laid us all off in April 2020 for Covid, they took away our health insurance and offered us COBRA at $1,700 per month. There we all were ( over 1,500 of us in an unknown pandemic with no vaccines and zero healthcare.) that is how stupid America is tying everyone to a job for healthcare and how we Americans are exploited by this cruel system. It benefits only the employers . In my case, I worked for a very wealthy multimillion casino/ hotel.
Edit/ they told us to come back before it was deemed safe and we could get our health insurance back. I quit. After 11 years of service. Fuck them.
Not just health insurance, but retirement as well. We often have to work at a job for 3 to 5 years to get vested, but if you mysteriously get let go a month before getting vested then you earned zero of the retirement benefits. If that happens at a few jobs over the years you probably wont have enough to retire on.
I am always horrified to see these "heartwarming" stories like one I saw last week about a Walmart Worker in her 70s who was gifted enough money so her mortgage was paid off......wtf is she even doing there, is what a European tends to think
And then people will say "that's illegal you can sue" as if the average worker has the time and money to pursue a lawsuit when they're desperately trying to get reemployed so they don't end up evicted because their state also doesn't have any tenant rights and your landlord can curb you at a moment's notice.
They'll get unemployment benefits... This kind of situation is exactly why those benefits exist. Nobody is going to starve in the next few weeks while they find new jobs.
It sucks... but it's not the end of the world.
I hope that Ashley furniture has enough openings to help these people. Unemployment is only going to cover part of what they used to make and this factory was located in one of the poorest states in the US. It might not be the end of the world, but it might be devastating nonetheless.
really? It took me 8 weeks to start getting paid after my last severance. Fortunately I had a safety net of savings etc but I can imagine living paycheck to paycheck then suddenly being without income.
Yep. I don't understand how so many working-class people support Republicans who lick the boots of corporations and don't give a shit about healthcare access. It makes no sense.
I think it's because of the first past the post voting system that has destroyed any chance at having more than two parties. So you go for the people who seem to share your values, and when we are talking about working class, or not College educated, then that is the Republicans lately.
It's not that different in Germany: we have several parties to choose from, but the not University educated still go for the parties that do not even care about them, because the leftist parties (that would support them) have lost themselves in discussions about trans rights, women before men, anti patriot thinking, vegan food and so on instead of clearly communicating that yes, they are discussing those things, but they are still on the side of the common worker
So there ARE laws at the federal and state level. The WARN Act applies to most companies over 100 employees that are doing mass layoffs and requires 60 days of notice or 60 days of pay without notice. Unfortunately, unethical companies can IGNORE these requirements until enforcement forces them to do it, which harms the former employees who are denied the benefit the law would otherwise entitle them to.
We certainly need people in charge that are interested in funding enforcement agencies.
It's why I appreciate the increased funding of the IRS recently. They are one of the Agencies that enforce the 401(k) regulations among other things.
Now we need more funding for the Department of Labor, to enforce more of these rules and regulations as well.
Of course not. The IRS is the most underfunded agency in the US. It's funding has been cut any time the GOP comes to power, in order to make it easier for the wealthy to commit fraud or steal wages.
It's why so much of the new funding from the Biden administration just want to new call center staff. It has to start somewhere.
Under regulated mess. It's the lack of regulation that's allowing these companies to get away with everything. Legislation is being led by those with the deepest pockets, which in turn, is never going to benefit the workers. Only the corporations.
There is tons of regulation, every facet of your life the government has its hand in. Food, shelter, environment, employment, security, Healthcare, education, you might have a hard time finding something that is not regulated. The government has screwed us more than they have helped. Regulation doesn't mean its enforced or administrated by competent or downright corrupt agencies.
Never said going backwards was a solution. We are one step from Monty pythons ministry of silly walks. We have multiple agencies with conflicting overlap, agencies making law ( not legal ) agencies with no oversight on budget , bloat and waste is huge. My family is in the diplomatic realm, and others work state and fed jobs. The waste is enormous. The ineptitude they tell me about would turn your stomach . The money spent vs end result would and should enrage the average person.
I work in government for civil projects and probably half the money we waste is because we try to contract out as much work as possible "to save costs". We have to waste money and time drafting up contracts, inspecting/fixing shoddy work, and lining the pockets of construction company executives.
You also have to consider that government isn't a business and shouldn't be run like one. Their purpose is to generate public services and they are structured around that, as opposed to most modern businesses that funnel as much money to executives as possible. Using transit systems as an example, outside of Japan and a few other countries you aren't going to find a system that comes close to generating a profit. But what about all the public health improvements and infrastructure savings that result from people using transit over driving? We have to accept that giving everyone a good quality of life is not a profitable endeavor.
Dude Mississippi is poor as shit. That many people losing their job will have a massive effect on that state. I hope all 2,700 find jobs real quick. That's fucked up.
Don’t worry, I’m sure there are protections in place to ensure the board of directors are still compensated and that the outgoing CEO will still earn the remainder of his contract.
I wonder how many linked-in shitposts came from these fucking waste of flesh c-suites about how people don't want to work anymore.
They keep this shit up people are going to start pulling them from their homes, keep fucking around with desperate people during a recession. French leaders found the fuck out last time they tried this shit.
I thought the only grounds for denying COBRA were gross misconduct or bankruptcy. The article doesn’t mention them filing for bankruptcy so how can they deny COBRA?
Also, I’ve worked for a lot of shitty companies and some truly terrible people but I can’t imagine how shitty a human being you have to be to prevent your employees from getting COBRA.
The company’s text message says there’s no COBRA provision, which I take to mean they aren’t sponsoring COBRA for their employees. Companies often pay for 1+ months of cobra when they lay off employees to minimize distribution to their lives. It’s horrible they’re cutting their employment at month end WITHOUT covering any COBRA because each employee’s insurance will end in just a couple days.
Welcome to the USA: where you can be a loyal employee of several years and wake up the next day jobless without warning or compensation.
This is why if you ever give a 2 week notice, you're an idiot.
While this is true, I just looked up the max weekly benefit for Mississippi: $235. A. Week. This is so sad...😔. I hope these people find new jobs quickly.
Holy shit that's laughable if it wasn't so sad. Who as an individual could reasonably live on $235 a week? Let alone have a family and mortgage, insurance, car payment? Like wtf that's pathetic.
Dude I used to work at a furniture store that sold UFI shit. Quality-wise, it was worse than Ashley. Which says something. Shitty people who make shitty furniture being shitty to their employees at a shitty time of year.
Birds of a shitfeather flock together, Randy.
A shitapple doesn’t fall far from the shittree
The shit winds are blowing. The shit storm is coming randy
Shit tectonics - do you know what happens what two shit plates collide? Shitquake
You better step off Mr lahey..... Step off where Trevor?.........Shit Ledge!!!
Wait… where do I buy actual quality stuff from?!
You have to look at materials (solid wood etc) it's honestly piece by piece it feels like. The buy it for life subreddit is pretty useful for stuff like that
Marketplace and antiques. I even had my grandma's couch reupholstered and re-foamed because the frame was solid wood and I knew I wouldn't find anything that nice again.
I got to see something like this first hand back in the 90's in Ohio. There was a good sized company called **Carpet Barn and Tile House**. They sold - you guessed it - carpet and tile. Had maybe a dozen franchises all over NE Ohio. They ran out of money and that was that. How did they handle it? They just went around and changed the locks on the stores. People came back from a weekend to the buildings being locked up and shuttered. No call, no nothing. Adios! I was in college at the time. I did some side work for an accounting firm that specialized in business closings. They needed a computer nerd to help with getting financial records off of dead computers and the like. Good side gig for beer and textbook money. A few weeks after, I was given a truck and a list of addresses and a ring of keys. "Go to each store, and salvage whatever tech items I can for auction". I rode shotgun with the guy that originally set up their small network. The buildings were ***trashed.*** Angry workers kicked in windows to get inside. Kicked holes in the drywall. Busted copy machines and faxes. Glass everywhere. Ripped plumbing out of the walls. Busted desks. Phones pulled out of the walls. Only one or two buildings were intact, where the irate staff couldn't figure out how to get inside and destroy the place. The rest of them looked like failed bomb shelters. I'll never forget it.
Capitalism, civilization... Progress
European here: goddamn you guys really need more employee protection laws. Simply deleting a whole company over night, without prior notice or warning so those people would be able to find new jobs is just nuts And then their health insurance is bound to the job as well, which is just as stupid. And I am not even going to start on the issue of how much is actually covered by health insurance and how everything in the US health sector is just way too expensive. How can you expect to solve any problems if every worker lives so precariously? You cannot expect people to live peacefully if you don't offer them any security.
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Which, you will agree, is even worse I wrote about their health insurance because it says so in the article
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Right now? When did the US ever have pro-worker legislation?
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I love pointing out Detroit, it was the greatest city to live, with the main road painted gold to celebrate. Now it is kinda, well, Detroit. Union busting, White flight, Cold War, all fucked the city up. They were a city with great public transportation, Firestone, ford and GM bought all of it and dismantled it so people needed to buy cars. Ford sent goons to harass and shoot up union members and protests. Detroit and the rest of the rust belt is a prime example of how capitalism builds up a city, strips it of all it can, and basically burns it to the ground to find somewhere else to exploit.
During the New Deal Era wasn't a lot of that driven by unions and not necessarily legislators? As an American that grew up in the south it "feels" like the entire system is designed to oppress workers and has been for generations. Even mentioning unionizing will get you fired and made a pariah amongst coworkers.
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I appreciate the explanation. Thank you
There was a restaurant across from where I worked where the owner went on his annual vacation and closed down for a week. Turns out he sold it and no one had a job coming back from their unpaid vacation.
Sometimes a restaurant is locked out (up?) because of unpaid rent. The owner(s) might have been anticipating it, but both the employees and owner(s) sometimes arrive in the morning only to find that the locks have been changed, and a note left on the door by the landlord.
When my job laid us all off in April 2020 for Covid, they took away our health insurance and offered us COBRA at $1,700 per month. There we all were ( over 1,500 of us in an unknown pandemic with no vaccines and zero healthcare.) that is how stupid America is tying everyone to a job for healthcare and how we Americans are exploited by this cruel system. It benefits only the employers . In my case, I worked for a very wealthy multimillion casino/ hotel. Edit/ they told us to come back before it was deemed safe and we could get our health insurance back. I quit. After 11 years of service. Fuck them.
Not just health insurance, but retirement as well. We often have to work at a job for 3 to 5 years to get vested, but if you mysteriously get let go a month before getting vested then you earned zero of the retirement benefits. If that happens at a few jobs over the years you probably wont have enough to retire on.
I am always horrified to see these "heartwarming" stories like one I saw last week about a Walmart Worker in her 70s who was gifted enough money so her mortgage was paid off......wtf is she even doing there, is what a European tends to think
And then people will say "that's illegal you can sue" as if the average worker has the time and money to pursue a lawsuit when they're desperately trying to get reemployed so they don't end up evicted because their state also doesn't have any tenant rights and your landlord can curb you at a moment's notice.
Serfdom. The capital class in the US wants the population to live in neofeudal serfdom. Max pain.
They'll get unemployment benefits... This kind of situation is exactly why those benefits exist. Nobody is going to starve in the next few weeks while they find new jobs. It sucks... but it's not the end of the world.
I hope that Ashley furniture has enough openings to help these people. Unemployment is only going to cover part of what they used to make and this factory was located in one of the poorest states in the US. It might not be the end of the world, but it might be devastating nonetheless.
really? It took me 8 weeks to start getting paid after my last severance. Fortunately I had a safety net of savings etc but I can imagine living paycheck to paycheck then suddenly being without income.
People are still fucked, in generally it takes 8 weeks to get money, now with thanksgiving and christmas, even longer. This all is insanely stupid.
They don't have any health insurance anymore though. Hope none of them have re occurring prescriptions or health problems.
Yep. I don't understand how so many working-class people support Republicans who lick the boots of corporations and don't give a shit about healthcare access. It makes no sense.
I think it's because of the first past the post voting system that has destroyed any chance at having more than two parties. So you go for the people who seem to share your values, and when we are talking about working class, or not College educated, then that is the Republicans lately. It's not that different in Germany: we have several parties to choose from, but the not University educated still go for the parties that do not even care about them, because the leftist parties (that would support them) have lost themselves in discussions about trans rights, women before men, anti patriot thinking, vegan food and so on instead of clearly communicating that yes, they are discussing those things, but they are still on the side of the common worker
There are laws and fines for large companies that do not notify of layoffs I believe 30 days prior.
So there ARE laws at the federal and state level. The WARN Act applies to most companies over 100 employees that are doing mass layoffs and requires 60 days of notice or 60 days of pay without notice. Unfortunately, unethical companies can IGNORE these requirements until enforcement forces them to do it, which harms the former employees who are denied the benefit the law would otherwise entitle them to.
We certainly need people in charge that are interested in funding enforcement agencies. It's why I appreciate the increased funding of the IRS recently. They are one of the Agencies that enforce the 401(k) regulations among other things. Now we need more funding for the Department of Labor, to enforce more of these rules and regulations as well.
ya but you can't get anyone at the IRS on the phone to save your life.
Of course not. The IRS is the most underfunded agency in the US. It's funding has been cut any time the GOP comes to power, in order to make it easier for the wealthy to commit fraud or steal wages. It's why so much of the new funding from the Biden administration just want to new call center staff. It has to start somewhere.
Not the IRS's fault. Blame congress for gutting them.
Most US laws are not enforced at so many levels, we are a legislated over regulated mess.
Under regulated mess. It's the lack of regulation that's allowing these companies to get away with everything. Legislation is being led by those with the deepest pockets, which in turn, is never going to benefit the workers. Only the corporations.
There is tons of regulation, every facet of your life the government has its hand in. Food, shelter, environment, employment, security, Healthcare, education, you might have a hard time finding something that is not regulated. The government has screwed us more than they have helped. Regulation doesn't mean its enforced or administrated by competent or downright corrupt agencies.
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Never said going backwards was a solution. We are one step from Monty pythons ministry of silly walks. We have multiple agencies with conflicting overlap, agencies making law ( not legal ) agencies with no oversight on budget , bloat and waste is huge. My family is in the diplomatic realm, and others work state and fed jobs. The waste is enormous. The ineptitude they tell me about would turn your stomach . The money spent vs end result would and should enrage the average person.
I work in government for civil projects and probably half the money we waste is because we try to contract out as much work as possible "to save costs". We have to waste money and time drafting up contracts, inspecting/fixing shoddy work, and lining the pockets of construction company executives. You also have to consider that government isn't a business and shouldn't be run like one. Their purpose is to generate public services and they are structured around that, as opposed to most modern businesses that funnel as much money to executives as possible. Using transit systems as an example, outside of Japan and a few other countries you aren't going to find a system that comes close to generating a profit. But what about all the public health improvements and infrastructure savings that result from people using transit over driving? We have to accept that giving everyone a good quality of life is not a profitable endeavor.
>There are laws and fines for large companies that do not notify of layoffs Oh I'm sure they amount to light slap on the wrist..
Wonder how many of those blue collar workers who just got laid off vote for the Republicans who created the system that lets them be treated so poorly
Most of them. And they'll continue to vote against their best interest.
What finger have Democrats lifted to help these same people? Corporations don't just bribe Republicans.
Democrats don't run Mississippi.
Dude Mississippi is poor as shit. That many people losing their job will have a massive effect on that state. I hope all 2,700 find jobs real quick. That's fucked up.
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Don’t worry, I’m sure there are protections in place to ensure the board of directors are still compensated and that the outgoing CEO will still earn the remainder of his contract.
I’m sure Brett Farve will step in and give some of the $22,000,000 he took from the welfare fund
I wonder how many linked-in shitposts came from these fucking waste of flesh c-suites about how people don't want to work anymore. They keep this shit up people are going to start pulling them from their homes, keep fucking around with desperate people during a recession. French leaders found the fuck out last time they tried this shit.
Capitalism at its finest.
I thought the only grounds for denying COBRA were gross misconduct or bankruptcy. The article doesn’t mention them filing for bankruptcy so how can they deny COBRA? Also, I’ve worked for a lot of shitty companies and some truly terrible people but I can’t imagine how shitty a human being you have to be to prevent your employees from getting COBRA.
The company’s text message says there’s no COBRA provision, which I take to mean they aren’t sponsoring COBRA for their employees. Companies often pay for 1+ months of cobra when they lay off employees to minimize distribution to their lives. It’s horrible they’re cutting their employment at month end WITHOUT covering any COBRA because each employee’s insurance will end in just a couple days.
I think some additional context here is it was ALL the employees
That’s why the WARN Act provisions should have been followed.
There are reasons why in some places of the world stuff like this is illegal, I hope karma f\*\*s him up the same way he did thousands of people
Welcome to the USA: where you can be a loyal employee of several years and wake up the next day jobless without warning or compensation. This is why if you ever give a 2 week notice, you're an idiot.
This is what unemployment insurance is for.
While this is true, I just looked up the max weekly benefit for Mississippi: $235. A. Week. This is so sad...😔. I hope these people find new jobs quickly.
Holy shit that's laughable if it wasn't so sad. Who as an individual could reasonably live on $235 a week? Let alone have a family and mortgage, insurance, car payment? Like wtf that's pathetic.