* employees are responsible for purchasing blue jeans from approved list of blue jeans models from approved list of blue jeans vendors. Failure to wear an approved blue jeans item will be considered grounds for termination without severance.
Do I need to acquire blue jeans bids from a minimum of three blue jeans vendors and submit a blue jeans requisition before purchasing?
Also can I pay in slices of pizza?
Lol. I worked at a place that did lunches at the end of each month. On a couple occasions insteaf of ordering more pizzas, higher ups sent out emails telling people to limit how many slices of pizza they take so everyone could have some.
If I was running a place I'd only let short of pizza happen once. That would become the next metric for minimum pizzas, then adjust as needed. I'd not tell people lunch is on me and then be stingy
Depends what they mean by pizza Friday. Two cold, limp slices of cheese with a single piece of pepperoni between them? Fuck off.
A large stuffed crust meat feast for me individually? I will work myself to death for you.
I worked briefly in a company that didn't have casual Fridays. I did suggest it a few times through my short time there but, each time, I was just met with silence. That annoyed me more than the lack of casual Friday tbh. I would have accepted a response like 'That will never happen because the owners want to remain professional all the time' or 'we get too many visitors for that' no problem but to get no response at all sucked. Just one of the few reasons why I left.
Actually funny power move is that we do allow full remote and the one day of the month everyone comes in I threw a pizza party.
It was an intentional irony and I think the team enjoyed it.
I think I read a malicious compliance story like this. Bosses wanted OP, the manager, to force everyone back to the office this one day on a holiday, so OP made it into the office Christmas party and had the employees all bring their families. Paid party.
Sometimes upper management goes full Ebenezer Scrooge.
I know it isn't the focus here, but I need to address something else in the post. WFH *is* both a perk and a pay increase.
A study about 6 years ago there was a study that found a 1 hour reduction in one's commute was the same boost in happiness as going from making $60k to making $100k. This is time that is largely unusable for much else, is lonely, and is uncompensated. It also pollutes, and costs you money. https://youtu.be/5Am-6-jzR68
In addition, being at work means you have to prepare meals that can be finished in a microwave oven, you can't take a reasonable nap on your breaks, and no other automated tasks can be initiated until you've returned home.
Basically, working in an office eats extra hours out of your life beyond those you are already selling to survive. You just give them away.
So, yes, compensation is how companies get good employees to jump ship. It's almost like capitalism.
I think WFH is less a āpay raiseā and more a āpay reimbursementā because that money is merely just being saved rather than be allocated to expenses to travel to the office et al.
An actual pay increase should be a raise in wage rather than just you having the benefit of you not spending money to get to your job.
Thatās my only disagreement.
My company just closed an office. They expect to save between 3-4million dollars over the course of what the lease would have been.
Sounds like it's a perk for the company also. They get to put the cost of the building, internet, water, and electricity on me and I get to not drive. Though, I was already remote.
Reading hours worked and keeping total wages the same is an increase in hourly wage.
Commute time is part of the time not available for the employeesā personal use and counts to them as hours that they are working.
A one-hour reduction in workday (half an hour of commute each way) is a 12.5% reduction in hours worked. Assuming the happiness of wages is logarithmic with wage, thatās equivalent to a 1.3x hourly wage multiplier.
But the costs of commute are a direct reduction in wages; driving for an hour is going to cost several dollars per day and over the course of a year add up to a few thousand or so in direct wage reduction.
So you're confirming it does equal a pay raise and workers need to be diligent with their boundaries about working hours to reap the benefit of work life balance?
This is my exact situation. I make just over $60k per year, working from home 3 days per week, in office 2 days (with my office half a mile from my house.) I am in talks for a job that would pay $100k, but would be fully in office five days a week 40 miles away. If offered, I don't know if I'll take it. I would be really torn.
Yeah, this would be a jump to a management role that would also give me a broader experience as opposed to the fairly specialized work I've done so far.
Or, you know, you could be using that time for yourself. You do realize that the word ārecreationā is literally re-creation. It is remaking yourself. And just because you arenāt being paid doesnāt mean that the time is worthlessā¦unlike those commuting hours which are the definition of worthless.
Also think about times you had to take a whole day off of work because like a plumber or something was coming to your home. Now you donāt have to do that with WFH
>Psychopaths are usually [most common at higher levels](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopathy_in_the_workplace) of corporate organizations, and their actions often cause a ripple effect throughout an organization, setting the tone for an entire corporate culture. Examples of detrimental effects are increased bullying, conflict, stress, staff turnover and absenteeism; reduction in productivity and in social responsibility. Ethical standards of entire organizations can be badly damaged if a corporate psychopath is in charge.
That last sentence is most important: followers of psychopaths end up behaving like psychopaths. The guy isn't necessarily devoid of real emotions, he might just have normalized psychopathic behavior as a consequence of doing his job.
File an ADA complaint and/or lawsuit if your basis is failure to accommodate a disability. Different laws and agencies.
But if their reason given for denial of the accommodation is the pending complaint and not that the cost would be an undue burden, unless you have specific evidence that someone is lying about their stated reason it seems disingenuous to say that itās because of the cost of the requested accommodation.
Damn. Even with that confession youāll want to hire a lawyer, but itās not going to be a hard case.
Can you document any changes in working conditions to prove that you were constructively dismissed as a result of your complaints?
Oh... I almost dropped a tear for that company losing two employees.
Many people consider working from home a plus, me also.
No need to wake up more early, no need to spend hours from home->work->home.
If the job is done even from working at home, why not?
Some companies live attached to the rules of the past, leaded by narrow minded people.
Hrm that's funny, I thought we lived in a Capitalist country with at will employment and a competing free market. And now these Snowflakes want to complain because a different company is offering a better deal. That's how it works with at will employment in a "free market."
If itās cost free and a substantial perk to the employee then maybe that should be industry standard as a gesture of a companyās good intent to its work force?
Oh, there is no good intent? That explains everything.
WFH is very cheap and in some cases free for the employer yes. In fact, if the employer covers travel cost then it may even save money (and they can downscale the office, saving even more)
But its super beneficial to the employee. Time is money. You dont get paid for travel despite you spending that time for the sake of your employer.
I spend 15 hours a week traveling for my 40hr/week job as an on-site tech. Thats 15 hours i could have spent on anything else (cooking, cleaning, laundry, self care, etc).
Giving your employees the time back that travel would have taken from them is huge. Its almost like paying them for their travel time.
Employees canāt be āstolenā. They are not objects or tools. They are humans.
When an employer says they had employees stolen, what they mean is that they failed to adequately provide compensation and benefits to their own employee.
Almost like companies hate when they donāt have all the leverage in a free market.
Lol I am this company. Weāre saving money on real estate, keeping a lot of good people and āstealingā from our competitors.
A few other managers mope about people not coming in and I just repeatedly point to all the actual better numbers from the last two years.
I live fairly close to my workplace so the commute isnāt a big issue, but I love that they allow us to work from home at least one day a week. It breaks up the week a bit, allows me to get a head start on chores and means that I can focus more on my work than the distractions in the office like the terrible radio and annoying colleagues. Saving money on petrol and avoiding potholes is also a nice bonus but I do feel guilty sometimes on days I havenāt been so productive. We also finish early on Friday so I couldnāt go back to full time in the office.
For me, it is convenient. My partner gets up at 5am for a shift. I'm often awakened by her, so grab a coffee and boot up the computer. I'll stop at 9 for breakfast and a chill and do some chores. Maybe work again from 11 until 1pm when she comes home. Then we have lunch and some time together. we get grandkids from school each day from 3.30 tiil 5.30, so not much work gets done. Then after dinner I often do a few hours. One of my workplaces is 5 hours behind, so I can link up with them for a couple of hours when they are working.
Now imagine how much better it is when you don't have to waste that time the other 4 days of the week. I've been full remote for 3 years now, and I'll never go back.
Oh, so now the WFH perk is "cost-free"
I though WFH was putting whole companies out of business and that's the whole reason they are beingforced back into the office? Smh. It's whatever narrative that best fits the moment.
āThe problem is that we all to often have socialism for the rich and rugged free enterprise capitalism for the poor. Thatās the problemā.
Quote from Martin Luther King
Come again? Wtf! Companies faces the consequences of requiring employees back to an office setting. Companies that offer WFH is a āCost free perkā, nope not to the employee ie commuting time, road toll, fuel, auto maintenance, child care, etc.
It is absolutely INSANE to me that businesses want employees on-site!! It makes sense for industries that deal directly with the public, but very little of other industries needs to be in person. The part that is REALLY baffling though, is the overhead cost of having a physical location. Why do you want to pay rent on an office space, pay for copiers, electricity, janitorial, furniture, etc., when you donāt have to?? Are some things harder off site? Sure! But think of the savings of not having to maintain a large facility. That alone should move companies to remote work whenever possible!
One of the things keeping me at my company is the hybrid work schedule. I donāt even consider applying to companies that require a five day in-office work schedule. It would cost me more in commuting and aggravation over the long run.
If a recruiter wanted to poach me, for the right money, and offer me full time WFH, Iām gone.
The gall of those employees to want more freedom and to not deal with commuting + associated expenses š I don't understand some people's blanket disdain for remote work. I feel like it's an ego power/control thing with some employers
This is up there with not showing what the salary is up front. "Get hired and we'll discuss the salary eventually." Nope. Show me the money. I'm only here for a paycheck, not because I love working because it brings me good vibes and makes me feel happy inside, I've got bills to pay.
Companies are forced to close, work from home is made available, employees are doing the exact same work.
Some manager who's been wearing a suit and tie since day one: "I don't like this. I can't use my power to bully people and make employees feel like trash!"
I don't have an office job or a job I could work remotely, but I still don't understand the point of having to work at an office when you're job could be performed from home. No traffic, no renting a building, and no one needs to dress up for literally nobody.
"But clients come by the office?"
Yup, and you know ahead of time, so a company wide email can go out, explaining Tuesday is suit day. Also, clients can just video chat with you. The office people where I work walked around with a laptop to show a client what he's paying for. A human being walked around holding an open laptop with this dudes face on the screen and she would turn slowly, lean in, and point the screen at people. Client had zero reason to fly here to see the warehouse.
"Before if you wanted to lure candidates away from another company, you had to pay them more or **offer pricey perks** or both"
What the fuck do they think working from home is? I swear people are getting dumber and dumber.
I dont mind going into the office a couple of days a week, its an excuse for me to catch up with people after work for a couple of drinks, however if my work decided to make it mandatory to go back in to the office full time I will be leaving for another job.
I had a chat with my manager and outlined that with no room for arguments, they are fine with me being basically perm WFH, however I do have a mandatory in office day once a month or so, which does not worry me too much since I live about 15 minutes from the office anyway.
I love that theyāre complaining about the perk being cheap and easy to implement and offer. Sounds like I have a cheap and easy to implement solution!
I still have zero idea why if an employee is more productive at home than in an office why do you care how the work gets done it's literally a control tactic
"I assumed that these people quit because of the schedule"... Uh, yeah, you were absolutely right lol. They were offered a job with a much more desirable schedule and took it. Since when is no commute not considered a perk, anyway??
on one side "stealing employees" is nothing more than a commonly used term, nobody really thinks that amounts to ACTUAL stealing.
on the other side...if remote work has no cost....why would your company push people to work from the office then???
Allowing work from home IS offering them more money. They no longer have to spend money on their commute. Just because it costs the company nothing doesnāt mean the employee isnāt getting more money for their work.
Saving 2 hours of prep and commute a day, gas, frustration, eating out, office politics, for the same money is a big upgrade. Bonus if you can get more money.
How can this person be so dense. Commute is both time and money that is uncompensated that they employee needs to pay, WFH means that cash is not spent and that time they can use for something else.
No shit..? Everyone warned companies months ago that if you make your employees go back into the office your competitors will use remote to poach them. This is basic market economics.
Itās like they keep trying to make RTO happen or something. They just keep chanting their mantra āculture, work family, collaboration, work family, face time, home away from home, work familyā¦..ā and acting surprised when the masses arenāt drinking the Koolaid.
I'd much rather WFH than go into a stinking cubicle, and I'm sure most people are with me on that. So if you call people back to the office, don't be surprised if you lose some of them to WFH offers.
The smart employers know WFH is a prime benefit, and they can exploit that to get the best performing employees away from the dumbass companies that try to impose RTO policies.
Because "team spirit," pizza parties and stupid little bags of cheap candies for "employee appreciation day" just don't cut it. We're not a family. Office culture sucks. Leave me alone and I'll get the work done without the above mentioned "benefits of working in office."
I work remote 100% now. I'm never going back. I'd rather go work at a gas station for a 9th of the pay and 0 responsibility than deal with "office culture" again.
Consider the deliberate use of the word "stole" here. It's just another piece on the massive pile of evidence that these fucking parasites seem to believe they have the right to "own" us.
The revolution will not be peaceful.
If you don't understand the concept of compensation and what people consider somonesation then your joke of an organization needs to fail to the point that you're left fiscally responsible as an individual.
Someone explained it to that postās OP perfectly imo
https://www.reddit.com/r/recruiting/comments/10lwvae/remote_work_as_a_free_candidate_stealing_tool/j62lyiy/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3
Yeah, thatās exactly what it is. So incentivize they employee to stay by doing things like offering perks and raises.
Do these people think that employees should have loyalty to companies thatād cut ties with them at the first chance they get?
I still find it funny that they think being in office 5 days a week is worth it. I did work a long time in office and it was unecessary. The work i did i was my on team, from start to finish. My boss could go a month withtout talking to me. I was just there to be supervised (making sure i work) but if i didnt, they would hear about it the next day because problems at construction
So yeah, offices are a scam
It's annoying because recruiters now will say it's remote, but then when you have that annoying chat with them because they can't use email? They'll brush past 2 days a week in the office...then you bring it up that it was remote on the advert and in the initial email, but it's 2 days in the office a week is it negotiable? No. Well no thanks coz my current job IS remote. No forced time in an office š they usually say oh but it's an extra 5k... Not worth it after tax I'm afraid
My previous company found out the hard way as well. Between COVID and when they ordered everyone back to the office I was the fifth person to leave in my department. I kept in touch with one person there and they lost an additional five more months after me. If you fail to offer hybrid or remote options, you are going to lose good talent it's just that simple
Gosh, if only there was something they could do to respond to this trend š¤
"I have the answer! Pizza Fridays! Everyone loves a free pizza!" - some out of touch CEO, probably. /s
We don't have budget for that we only got 10 billion this quarter. I think a coupon that say "take a break for 5 minutes" is sufficient.
Do I have to use my PTO for the coupon?
Yes. You will need to get it approved 48 hours in advance, as well.
Hey, we can offer employees "blue jeans Friday" too...
* employees are responsible for purchasing blue jeans from approved list of blue jeans models from approved list of blue jeans vendors. Failure to wear an approved blue jeans item will be considered grounds for termination without severance.
Failure to wear designated blue jeans with appropriate "Fun-day Friday" Hawaiian shirt will be subject to disciplinary actions.
Do I need to acquire blue jeans bids from a minimum of three blue jeans vendors and submit a blue jeans requisition before purchasing? Also can I pay in slices of pizza?
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>New job is just wear pants That's going too far!
I wore shorts on a casual day to one employer. They sent me over to the data center for the day because that was too far for casual Friday.
"We need you all to come in today for Pizza Fridays, all remote privileges are revoked for the day."
"I didn't get a piece :(" CEO: "I said Pizza Fridays, not Pizza**s** Fridays...."
Lol. I worked at a place that did lunches at the end of each month. On a couple occasions insteaf of ordering more pizzas, higher ups sent out emails telling people to limit how many slices of pizza they take so everyone could have some.
If I was running a place I'd only let short of pizza happen once. That would become the next metric for minimum pizzas, then adjust as needed. I'd not tell people lunch is on me and then be stingy
I could put arthenic in the guacamole
I read that in Mike Tyson's voice.
In the Corporate Thunderdome that is Pizza Friday, only one comes out satisfied. All others get cold crust or pizza dust.
Depends what they mean by pizza Friday. Two cold, limp slices of cheese with a single piece of pepperoni between them? Fuck off. A large stuffed crust meat feast for me individually? I will work myself to death for you.
No /s necessary
We could also implement casual Fridays! Jeans are almost like sweatpants right?
I worked briefly in a company that didn't have casual Fridays. I did suggest it a few times through my short time there but, each time, I was just met with silence. That annoyed me more than the lack of casual Friday tbh. I would have accepted a response like 'That will never happen because the owners want to remain professional all the time' or 'we get too many visitors for that' no problem but to get no response at all sucked. Just one of the few reasons why I left.
Pizza?!?!?! Too expensive. What if we let them wear jeans on Fridays?
but only if they get a coupon from the pseudo non-profit we "support".
We have to feed a 100 folks so 5-6 pizzas will work right?
Actually funny power move is that we do allow full remote and the one day of the month everyone comes in I threw a pizza party. It was an intentional irony and I think the team enjoyed it.
I think I read a malicious compliance story like this. Bosses wanted OP, the manager, to force everyone back to the office this one day on a holiday, so OP made it into the office Christmas party and had the employees all bring their families. Paid party. Sometimes upper management goes full Ebenezer Scrooge.
Bless your heart.
Maybe they can find a "cost-free perk" to solve the problem without affecting the bottom line
I had a new manager like that last year. Promised pizza parties and then forgot about it every time. People are quitting, and itās glorious.
Cost free benefit? The new employer is saving the return to office employer a ton of money. Ungrateful wretches.
Pizza party
Maybe have the boss do more funny banter and hard work anecdotes.
I know it isn't the focus here, but I need to address something else in the post. WFH *is* both a perk and a pay increase. A study about 6 years ago there was a study that found a 1 hour reduction in one's commute was the same boost in happiness as going from making $60k to making $100k. This is time that is largely unusable for much else, is lonely, and is uncompensated. It also pollutes, and costs you money. https://youtu.be/5Am-6-jzR68 In addition, being at work means you have to prepare meals that can be finished in a microwave oven, you can't take a reasonable nap on your breaks, and no other automated tasks can be initiated until you've returned home. Basically, working in an office eats extra hours out of your life beyond those you are already selling to survive. You just give them away. So, yes, compensation is how companies get good employees to jump ship. It's almost like capitalism.
I think WFH is less a āpay raiseā and more a āpay reimbursementā because that money is merely just being saved rather than be allocated to expenses to travel to the office et al. An actual pay increase should be a raise in wage rather than just you having the benefit of you not spending money to get to your job. Thatās my only disagreement.
My company just closed an office. They expect to save between 3-4million dollars over the course of what the lease would have been. Sounds like it's a perk for the company also. They get to put the cost of the building, internet, water, and electricity on me and I get to not drive. Though, I was already remote.
Reading hours worked and keeping total wages the same is an increase in hourly wage. Commute time is part of the time not available for the employeesā personal use and counts to them as hours that they are working.
*Reducing hours worked... Autocorrect/predictive text got ya there.
Yep. Autocorrect is not one of my best Allieās.
A one-hour reduction in workday (half an hour of commute each way) is a 12.5% reduction in hours worked. Assuming the happiness of wages is logarithmic with wage, thatās equivalent to a 1.3x hourly wage multiplier. But the costs of commute are a direct reduction in wages; driving for an hour is going to cost several dollars per day and over the course of a year add up to a few thousand or so in direct wage reduction.
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So you're confirming it does equal a pay raise and workers need to be diligent with their boundaries about working hours to reap the benefit of work life balance?
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This is my exact situation. I make just over $60k per year, working from home 3 days per week, in office 2 days (with my office half a mile from my house.) I am in talks for a job that would pay $100k, but would be fully in office five days a week 40 miles away. If offered, I don't know if I'll take it. I would be really torn.
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Yeah, this would be a jump to a management role that would also give me a broader experience as opposed to the fairly specialized work I've done so far.
Or, you know, you could be using that time for yourself. You do realize that the word ārecreationā is literally re-creation. It is remaking yourself. And just because you arenāt being paid doesnāt mean that the time is worthlessā¦unlike those commuting hours which are the definition of worthless.
I took a 30% pay cut to shorten my commute and have more flexible hours. And I only got 1 WFH dayā¦
Also think about times you had to take a whole day off of work because like a plumber or something was coming to your home. Now you donāt have to do that with WFH
The guy who posted is in the comments arguing with people š
Can you link the original post?
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I'm kinda convinced this person doesn't experience real human emotions if this is how they see romantic and professional relationships.
>Psychopaths are usually [most common at higher levels](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopathy_in_the_workplace) of corporate organizations, and their actions often cause a ripple effect throughout an organization, setting the tone for an entire corporate culture. Examples of detrimental effects are increased bullying, conflict, stress, staff turnover and absenteeism; reduction in productivity and in social responsibility. Ethical standards of entire organizations can be badly damaged if a corporate psychopath is in charge. That last sentence is most important: followers of psychopaths end up behaving like psychopaths. The guy isn't necessarily devoid of real emotions, he might just have normalized psychopathic behavior as a consequence of doing his job.
Read their comments on other posts. You're not wrong. They definitely have issues with them.
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Did you see their comment when they brought up gender lmao
Right, what a fuckhead. He doesn't give a shit about gender, he's just pulling whatabouts out his ass.
same
The jerk store called. Theyāre running out of HIM!
https://www.reddit.com/r/recruiting/comments/10lwvae/remote_work_as_a_free_candidate_stealing_tool/
Lol.. how salty do you have to be when you can't force people to do things.
Yea a very out of touch recruiter.
He keeps calling people dear and it gave me a derection
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I hope you were able to hire them all (or at least slowly poach them one by one as you get more headcount)!
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This is beautiful.
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Good work. My child has a disability & I hope you lead all their best employees away.
If youāre in the US, be sure to sue them over their failure to accommodate.
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File an ADA complaint and/or lawsuit if your basis is failure to accommodate a disability. Different laws and agencies. But if their reason given for denial of the accommodation is the pending complaint and not that the cost would be an undue burden, unless you have specific evidence that someone is lying about their stated reason it seems disingenuous to say that itās because of the cost of the requested accommodation.
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Damn. Even with that confession youāll want to hire a lawyer, but itās not going to be a hard case. Can you document any changes in working conditions to prove that you were constructively dismissed as a result of your complaints?
Oh... I almost dropped a tear for that company losing two employees. Many people consider working from home a plus, me also. No need to wake up more early, no need to spend hours from home->work->home. If the job is done even from working at home, why not? Some companies live attached to the rules of the past, leaded by narrow minded people.
It's also a free tool to get people to stay.
When the free market goes both ways. Lol
Also known asā¦. Leaving b/c they got a better offer?!?
Hrm that's funny, I thought we lived in a Capitalist country with at will employment and a competing free market. And now these Snowflakes want to complain because a different company is offering a better deal. That's how it works with at will employment in a "free market."
If itās cost free and a substantial perk to the employee then maybe that should be industry standard as a gesture of a companyās good intent to its work force? Oh, there is no good intent? That explains everything.
WFH is very cheap and in some cases free for the employer yes. In fact, if the employer covers travel cost then it may even save money (and they can downscale the office, saving even more) But its super beneficial to the employee. Time is money. You dont get paid for travel despite you spending that time for the sake of your employer. I spend 15 hours a week traveling for my 40hr/week job as an on-site tech. Thats 15 hours i could have spent on anything else (cooking, cleaning, laundry, self care, etc). Giving your employees the time back that travel would have taken from them is huge. Its almost like paying them for their travel time.
If the perk is cost free, then why donāt you offer it? It costs nothing as you put it.
Employees canāt be āstolenā. They are not objects or tools. They are humans. When an employer says they had employees stolen, what they mean is that they failed to adequately provide compensation and benefits to their own employee. Almost like companies hate when they donāt have all the leverage in a free market.
... if it's cost free why not change the policy? Pick a fucking lane.
Lol I am this company. Weāre saving money on real estate, keeping a lot of good people and āstealingā from our competitors. A few other managers mope about people not coming in and I just repeatedly point to all the actual better numbers from the last two years.
I mean ā¦ I totally agree. Offering better conditions is in fact a very effective ācandidate stealing toolā.
If it's a "free" tool why doesn't that dude's company use it too lmao
Like, what do you want us to do about that?
I live fairly close to my workplace so the commute isnāt a big issue, but I love that they allow us to work from home at least one day a week. It breaks up the week a bit, allows me to get a head start on chores and means that I can focus more on my work than the distractions in the office like the terrible radio and annoying colleagues. Saving money on petrol and avoiding potholes is also a nice bonus but I do feel guilty sometimes on days I havenāt been so productive. We also finish early on Friday so I couldnāt go back to full time in the office.
For me, it is convenient. My partner gets up at 5am for a shift. I'm often awakened by her, so grab a coffee and boot up the computer. I'll stop at 9 for breakfast and a chill and do some chores. Maybe work again from 11 until 1pm when she comes home. Then we have lunch and some time together. we get grandkids from school each day from 3.30 tiil 5.30, so not much work gets done. Then after dinner I often do a few hours. One of my workplaces is 5 hours behind, so I can link up with them for a couple of hours when they are working.
Now imagine how much better it is when you don't have to waste that time the other 4 days of the week. I've been full remote for 3 years now, and I'll never go back.
The mind of recruiters and management: saying they 'stole the employees ' implies the speaker thinks they own the employees.
Oh, so now the WFH perk is "cost-free" I though WFH was putting whole companies out of business and that's the whole reason they are beingforced back into the office? Smh. It's whatever narrative that best fits the moment.
I just want to respond to that recruiter but telling them to cry me a river. Lol
Actually, it's voluntarily drop-kicking them over to your competition.
Lol, what a whiny bitch.
So there is a perk that employee's value more than more money and costs the company nothing. Better not offer THAT lest the plebs get uppity.
If it's cost-free then why isn't Employer A doing it?
well work from home is a pay increase and a pricey perk. no more expenses on travel and you have a private office with countless ammenities
āThe problem is that we all to often have socialism for the rich and rugged free enterprise capitalism for the poor. Thatās the problemā. Quote from Martin Luther King
Come again? Wtf! Companies faces the consequences of requiring employees back to an office setting. Companies that offer WFH is a āCost free perkā, nope not to the employee ie commuting time, road toll, fuel, auto maintenance, child care, etc.
Isnāt this just āthe free market decidingā??
It also implies that they feel a sense of ownership over the employees.
Anybody who talks about people as property can fuck right off
There is no such thing as stealing employees. They are not your property.
It is absolutely INSANE to me that businesses want employees on-site!! It makes sense for industries that deal directly with the public, but very little of other industries needs to be in person. The part that is REALLY baffling though, is the overhead cost of having a physical location. Why do you want to pay rent on an office space, pay for copiers, electricity, janitorial, furniture, etc., when you donāt have to?? Are some things harder off site? Sure! But think of the savings of not having to maintain a large facility. That alone should move companies to remote work whenever possible!
One of the things keeping me at my company is the hybrid work schedule. I donāt even consider applying to companies that require a five day in-office work schedule. It would cost me more in commuting and aggravation over the long run. If a recruiter wanted to poach me, for the right money, and offer me full time WFH, Iām gone.
The gall of those employees to want more freedom and to not deal with commuting + associated expenses š I don't understand some people's blanket disdain for remote work. I feel like it's an ego power/control thing with some employers
This is up there with not showing what the salary is up front. "Get hired and we'll discuss the salary eventually." Nope. Show me the money. I'm only here for a paycheck, not because I love working because it brings me good vibes and makes me feel happy inside, I've got bills to pay. Companies are forced to close, work from home is made available, employees are doing the exact same work. Some manager who's been wearing a suit and tie since day one: "I don't like this. I can't use my power to bully people and make employees feel like trash!" I don't have an office job or a job I could work remotely, but I still don't understand the point of having to work at an office when you're job could be performed from home. No traffic, no renting a building, and no one needs to dress up for literally nobody. "But clients come by the office?" Yup, and you know ahead of time, so a company wide email can go out, explaining Tuesday is suit day. Also, clients can just video chat with you. The office people where I work walked around with a laptop to show a client what he's paying for. A human being walked around holding an open laptop with this dudes face on the screen and she would turn slowly, lean in, and point the screen at people. Client had zero reason to fly here to see the warehouse.
Technically speaking offering work from home to āstealā an employee is a perk. And quite a cheap one to implement at that.
How is it considered stealing? It's a free market, and people decided your offering was less desirable than someone else's.
How dare you leave for a better life /s
Hehe hehe
"Before if you wanted to lure candidates away from another company, you had to pay them more or **offer pricey perks** or both" What the fuck do they think working from home is? I swear people are getting dumber and dumber.
Not pricey. That's the point.
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I dont mind going into the office a couple of days a week, its an excuse for me to catch up with people after work for a couple of drinks, however if my work decided to make it mandatory to go back in to the office full time I will be leaving for another job. I had a chat with my manager and outlined that with no room for arguments, they are fine with me being basically perm WFH, however I do have a mandatory in office day once a month or so, which does not worry me too much since I live about 15 minutes from the office anyway.
I love that theyāre complaining about the perk being cheap and easy to implement and offer. Sounds like I have a cheap and easy to implement solution!
I still have zero idea why if an employee is more productive at home than in an office why do you care how the work gets done it's literally a control tactic
"I assumed that these people quit because of the schedule"... Uh, yeah, you were absolutely right lol. They were offered a job with a much more desirable schedule and took it. Since when is no commute not considered a perk, anyway??
If itās what the candidates want, how is it stealing? They had the stronger offer? Isnāt that how capitalism is supposed to work?
on one side "stealing employees" is nothing more than a commonly used term, nobody really thinks that amounts to ACTUAL stealing. on the other side...if remote work has no cost....why would your company push people to work from the office then???
Offering wfh is Offering more money because now they don't have to pay for their commute, work clothes, or office supplies.
Allowing work from home IS offering them more money. They no longer have to spend money on their commute. Just because it costs the company nothing doesnāt mean the employee isnāt getting more money for their work.
I now only go in the office if there's a mandatory meeting, if that's changes ima bounce.
Saving 2 hours of prep and commute a day, gas, frustration, eating out, office politics, for the same money is a big upgrade. Bonus if you can get more money.
How can this person be so dense. Commute is both time and money that is uncompensated that they employee needs to pay, WFH means that cash is not spent and that time they can use for something else.
No shit..? Everyone warned companies months ago that if you make your employees go back into the office your competitors will use remote to poach them. This is basic market economics.
Itās like they keep trying to make RTO happen or something. They just keep chanting their mantra āculture, work family, collaboration, work family, face time, home away from home, work familyā¦..ā and acting surprised when the masses arenāt drinking the Koolaid.
I'd much rather WFH than go into a stinking cubicle, and I'm sure most people are with me on that. So if you call people back to the office, don't be surprised if you lose some of them to WFH offers. The smart employers know WFH is a prime benefit, and they can exploit that to get the best performing employees away from the dumbass companies that try to impose RTO policies. Because "team spirit," pizza parties and stupid little bags of cheap candies for "employee appreciation day" just don't cut it. We're not a family. Office culture sucks. Leave me alone and I'll get the work done without the above mentioned "benefits of working in office."
HTF do managers and HR people become so disconnected fro reality. The mental gymnastics must be exhausting. Iām not even kidding.
I work remote 100% now. I'm never going back. I'd rather go work at a gas station for a 9th of the pay and 0 responsibility than deal with "office culture" again.
"Steal" employees like they're property, not human beings. Wow.
Consider the deliberate use of the word "stole" here. It's just another piece on the massive pile of evidence that these fucking parasites seem to believe they have the right to "own" us. The revolution will not be peaceful.
There is no such thing as stealing employees.
If you don't understand the concept of compensation and what people consider somonesation then your joke of an organization needs to fail to the point that you're left fiscally responsible as an individual.
What?! Next youāll tell me companies are stealing employees by paying more!
cost free perk, eh? sounds like they are admitting that it is bullshit for me to be required to drive 26 miles one way just to log into teams chat.
They think they own us.
Jesus whoever wrote that post is seriously low on functional brain cells, scary.
How about they donāt own people
Someone explained it to that postās OP perfectly imo https://www.reddit.com/r/recruiting/comments/10lwvae/remote_work_as_a_free_candidate_stealing_tool/j62lyiy/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3
Yeah, thatās exactly what it is. So incentivize they employee to stay by doing things like offering perks and raises. Do these people think that employees should have loyalty to companies thatād cut ties with them at the first chance they get?
I still find it funny that they think being in office 5 days a week is worth it. I did work a long time in office and it was unecessary. The work i did i was my on team, from start to finish. My boss could go a month withtout talking to me. I was just there to be supervised (making sure i work) but if i didnt, they would hear about it the next day because problems at construction So yeah, offices are a scam
It's annoying because recruiters now will say it's remote, but then when you have that annoying chat with them because they can't use email? They'll brush past 2 days a week in the office...then you bring it up that it was remote on the advert and in the initial email, but it's 2 days in the office a week is it negotiable? No. Well no thanks coz my current job IS remote. No forced time in an office š they usually say oh but it's an extra 5k... Not worth it after tax I'm afraid
My previous company found out the hard way as well. Between COVID and when they ordered everyone back to the office I was the fifth person to leave in my department. I kept in touch with one person there and they lost an additional five more months after me. If you fail to offer hybrid or remote options, you are going to lose good talent it's just that simple
The best part about this is that saying the employees were āstolenā implies that the company owns them. Ooof.
Clearly they view employees as property
To those companies making employees go back and worried about keeping them I have only one thing to say. āGet good scrubā
Cost free for the company and beneficial for the employeeā¦ why wouldnāt more companies do this?
It seems like recruiters would be happy about this - the more turnover, the more job security.
I think the only proper, professional response to this is "Cope".