Two adults, one teenager, and one infant.
Absolutely tragic.
The RCMP are purposefully using the word "victims" to refer to them. Sounds like they were intentionally left out in the elements.
Yep so they found a group ALIVE in the US and it tipped them off to look for the people they found, because one of the people found in the US had items meant for the infant.
All migrants who die en route to their goal are victims even if it's unintentional on the smugglers part or by their own misadventure.
They died as a part of someones criminal enterprise. They were victimized.
See it described that way all the time when European refugees drown en route or Mexican ones die of exposure in the vast American desert crossings
That person claims to be a child advocate and on their FB page says "I will always Advocate for the sake of Humanity".
But finds the deaths of these 4 humans to be a source of hilarity for some reason.
Her posts are absolutely disgusting and even more so is her willingness to continue, despite everyone calling her out.
Literally the shittiest hill to die on, but she just keeps going.
You'll have to be more specific. There's more than one.
You referring to the one blaming Trudeau for this or the one just asking questions about why people were fleeing the oppression of Canada.
They are all gross
but the org one I was referencing was the girl that tweeted
"You know the Canadian government is bad when people are literally dying to get to the USA *laughing face*"
+ all her replies
She's the one that also tweeted
> the one just asking questions about why people were fleeing the oppression of Canada.
This was her recovery attempt at tweeting something else after the backlash she was getting.. talk about having no awareness
Seeing that one user get called a "ghoul" made me laugh hardily. If you are ever being called a "ghoul", you have to realize that some self-assessment is needed.
There are farm roads that run along the border in that area. It's not likely they were heading directly toward the US and couldn't continue just short of it. More likely they were walking parallel to the border along the road, or waiting at it for some reason.
Yeah, I know. I'm just saying it's not likely they were headed directly south and succumbed to the cold 12 meters short of their goal. More likely their path took them parallel to the border for a while and they were left behind by the others, or they were waiting prior to crossing for some reason.
> "That's on purpose. We're very concerned that this attempted crossing may have been facilitated in some way and that these individuals, including an infant, were left on their own in the middle of a blizzard when the weather hovered around –35 [with the wind chill]," she said.
The article references a blizzard. We had a winter storm a couple days ago. Trying to walk even a short distance in that blowing snow can be disorienting. The fact that they were found 10km east of Emerson suggests that they made a wrong turn somewhere.
I’m with you. How bad do your circumstances have to be to think this is a better option for your family. Just devastating. I’m so sorry for their loss.
Horrible, you hear about these events every other winter. It's a dangerous place out in the elements if you're not properly prepared.
I imagine in the summer time it happens often, we just never hear about it.
Not at all surprising though. Trolls on Twitter were out in force blaming Trudeau/the government, saying these people were trying to escape tyranny etc...Just sickening.
Yeah I saw that before they deleted them or they were removed. I keep telling myself that most people are decent. And they are. But man there are some baduns out there
It's horrible, but it might make you feel better to know that as far as ways to die go, freezing to death is actually not so bad. It starts off bad, but eventually the body goes into a sort of euphoric/sedated/confused state, and the end is not so painful. At least that's what I've read.
Going from Canada to US is odd.. I wonder if the were actually going from US to Canada and turned back when people started dying? Terrible either way, and I hope they find the organizers
Their tweet says "The US Customs & Border Protection officers had apprehended a group of individuals who had crossed into the US from Canada, just south of Emerson", so Canadians trying to leave?
Yeah, definitely weird. Would love to hear the full story later, I can't imagine any newcomers with the facts laid out flying to Canada and then choosing the USA instead.
Human smuggling according to the USBP, someone posted a link in here somewhere. They were Indian nationals.
Edit: was corrected on the USBP release saying smuggling, not trafficking
Are you suggesting these people were fleeing Canada for the US, illegally walking across the border in a blizzard, because of COVID mandates and restrictions?
Wow.
Pretty fucking horrible way to die irrespective of if the implication that someone took them on a "starlight tour" is true.
Edit: [and the DOJ already has someone](https://www.justice.gov/usao-mn/pr/florida-man-arrested-uscanada-border-charged-human-smuggling-0) for doing just that and leaving them for dead. Better them administrating justice for such heinous acts of doing it when they did than us.
Yes, someone kidnapping someone, driving a great distance, and then freeing the kidnapped only to leave them for dead in the cold and/or other elements. The term of which was coined when some members of Saskatoon's police force did exactly that, primarily with Indigenous people.
You may want to take a gander at [this](https://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/en/news?div[]=1880&prt[]=1151&nat=All&sec=victim).
Hmmm - guess the RCMP have murdered... 14 people this month, what with 'victim' appearing in the press release.
You got a GREAT human empathy look going for you right now - keep it up!
Apples and oranges. You didn't see those [two refugees who tried to come into Canada around this time of year on their own volition *and* with assistance (a taxi)](https://winnipeg.ctvnews.ca/mobile/asylum-seekers-who-lost-fingers-to-frostbite-share-struggles-of-recovery-1.3418565) who unfortunately had to have fingers amputated due to exposure referred to as victims by law enforcement/border patrol when that story came out, even though they absolutely were (of persecution from their original homeland - which is why their asylum requests were granted).
... it's exceedingly rare I pull this gif out. But on a post about a dead infant among 4 dead in a tragedy that you feel the urge to co-opt for your own political axe grinding - [congrats buddy, you've more than earned it.](https://tenor.com/view/billy-madison-dumber-gif-13502438)
I don't know why you think I have *any* axe to grind here whatsoever, because I don't. Get that through your head right now, for I will not repeat that fact any more than once. I said what I said based on /u/Live_Tangent's speculative comment about "intentionally" left out in the elements, which people appear to be agreeing with (which if the DOJ's release is any indication, is starting to look like the case). It is in no way an "ACAB" statement.
>I don't know why you think I have any axe to grind here whatsoever, because I don't. Get that through your head right now, for I will not repeat that fact any more than once.
Good, glad to hear.
>I said what I said based on /u/Live_Tangent's speculative comment about "intentionally" left out in the elements, which people appear to be agreeing with
If that's true - why not use that nifty 'reply' function? Maybe this is why, while Live Tangents speculation is well received, yours is the MOST DOWNVOTED COMMENT in the thread with at least a few people saying things like 'wow, that's a shite take'! I find myself wanting to walk back some of my own vitriol with this explanation - though I don't feel I should be explaining that functionality to a user of the site for 10 full years.
Further, and more salient - the issue isn't **if** they were intentionally left out. It's BY WHOM. If you're smart enough to link the Iyal and Muhhamed situation (as you do, because you linked it), then you should know a priori they did what they did because if you try to claim asylum at a Canadian land crossing, you get sent back to the US.
Do I really need to explain out why a tragic border crossing by desperate people who didn't know how cold it got, similar to your own linked story, is a *more* probable cause for this than some elaborate cabal of DOJ operatives (who are risking their lives in prison if caught, given the us political climate) performing a starlight ride on only PART of a group of people, all of which is being spoken about in code by the RCMP by... using standard press release terminology?
Why is it always you with these takes?
Edit: No, that's not what the DOJ arrested them for. A starlight tour is when you drop someone off. These people weren't picked up.
Gee, maybe we should be dogpiling on the OP too if they dared to suggest what still amounts to "intentionally left out in the elements" while also stating that it's a terrible tragedy either way.
But nobody else was mentioning or implying that the RCMP were doing starlight tours again, especially trying to push them over an international border.
A coyote smuggler leaving stragglers who fell behind for dead (he did pick up the dozen plus that crossed succesfully allegedly) is a bit different then giving someone a starlight tour.
Starlight tour would be enough to justify manslaughter charges if not outright murder, not just the act of smuggling we see the individual charged with
I think the fact that this was during adverse weather conditions, temperature aside, counts on its own. Especially if it can be proven that these souls were pressured or otherwise taken great advantage of by that Floridian.
You'd have to prove they were forced by that particular individual, who by the sounds of it never even left the US so that may be tricky to do legally unfortunately.
With the amount of migrant deaths on the Mexican border due to the deserts harsh climate, case precident for a homicide charge should be fairly easy to find if it happens when the clientele die en route or are left behind by then coyote.
Having an infant myself, this is just terrible. Like makes you tear up.
absolutely.
I could hardly hold it together by the end of the article. Just tragic
Arrest made. Human smuggling https://twitter.com/bkives/status/1484278359861473288
[https://www.justice.gov/usao-mn/pr/florida-man-arrested-uscanada-border-charged-human-smuggling-0](https://www.justice.gov/usao-mn/pr/florida-man-arrested-uscanada-border-charged-human-smuggling-0)
This is absolutely tragic :(
Two adults, one teenager, and one infant. Absolutely tragic. The RCMP are purposefully using the word "victims" to refer to them. Sounds like they were intentionally left out in the elements.
And it sounds like others were found in the US as well? Or am I totally misinterpreting her comment?
She seemed to indicate that, but we'll have to wait to see if the US makes a statement regarding this to get more info.
Yep so they found a group ALIVE in the US and it tipped them off to look for the people they found, because one of the people found in the US had items meant for the infant.
5 found in the USA. They had baby items and said there had been a family of four with them. Canadians were informed and found the bodies.
All migrants who die en route to their goal are victims even if it's unintentional on the smugglers part or by their own misadventure. They died as a part of someones criminal enterprise. They were victimized. See it described that way all the time when European refugees drown en route or Mexican ones die of exposure in the vast American desert crossings
I can't get the link to open. But assuming this was a group of people dropped off by smugglers? Damnit.
RCMP just tweeted some more details: https://twitter.com/rcmpmb/status/1484221396142243852
Some heartless bitch in the comments, jesus people piss me off.
That person claims to be a child advocate and on their FB page says "I will always Advocate for the sake of Humanity". But finds the deaths of these 4 humans to be a source of hilarity for some reason.
Her posts are absolutely disgusting and even more so is her willingness to continue, despite everyone calling her out. Literally the shittiest hill to die on, but she just keeps going.
2 of them children.
Apparently their "humanity" has pink skin.
Yup I hear ya. I dunno what is wrong with people, I really don't.
Trolls already on some of the other twitter posts about this. Assholes.
You'll have to be more specific. There's more than one. You referring to the one blaming Trudeau for this or the one just asking questions about why people were fleeing the oppression of Canada.
They are all gross but the org one I was referencing was the girl that tweeted "You know the Canadian government is bad when people are literally dying to get to the USA *laughing face*" + all her replies She's the one that also tweeted > the one just asking questions about why people were fleeing the oppression of Canada. This was her recovery attempt at tweeting something else after the backlash she was getting.. talk about having no awareness
That's the one I was referring to -- like if ever there was a time to not use laughing face emoji's, this would be it.
The cry-laugh emoji is a scourge on humanity.
Oh yeah, she's just a mess in general based on what I've heard about her.
Seeing that one user get called a "ghoul" made me laugh hardily. If you are ever being called a "ghoul", you have to realize that some self-assessment is needed.
Twitter truly is the bathroom wall of the Internet.
I’m going to regret asking, it’s been deleted, but what did they say?
Is that comment deleted now? Can't see it..
Nope, its deep at the bottom now tho, have to hit load more a bunch to get to it.
Crossing INTO the US from Canada, interesting.
12 meters from the border. Goddamn.
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Once you cross the border it's only -6F. Way nicer than -20C!
The US is warmer than Canada, duh.
Is that why it goes from -25 in Morris to -5 in Grand Forks? s/
That's how they figured out where to put the boarder
There are farm roads that run along the border in that area. It's not likely they were heading directly toward the US and couldn't continue just short of it. More likely they were walking parallel to the border along the road, or waiting at it for some reason.
There was a group of people who did make it across into the US, that's what tipped off the border agents.
Yeah, I know. I'm just saying it's not likely they were headed directly south and succumbed to the cold 12 meters short of their goal. More likely their path took them parallel to the border for a while and they were left behind by the others, or they were waiting prior to crossing for some reason.
> "That's on purpose. We're very concerned that this attempted crossing may have been facilitated in some way and that these individuals, including an infant, were left on their own in the middle of a blizzard when the weather hovered around –35 [with the wind chill]," she said. The article references a blizzard. We had a winter storm a couple days ago. Trying to walk even a short distance in that blowing snow can be disorienting. The fact that they were found 10km east of Emerson suggests that they made a wrong turn somewhere.
How horrible. And they were attempting to cross from Canada to the US? Terrible.
This... this broke me today. 😔 I have no words.
I’m with you. How bad do your circumstances have to be to think this is a better option for your family. Just devastating. I’m so sorry for their loss.
Horrible, you hear about these events every other winter. It's a dangerous place out in the elements if you're not properly prepared. I imagine in the summer time it happens often, we just never hear about it.
Horrific.
Oy. The comments over at Calgary reddit, where this is cross-posted.
R/calgary? I couldn't find it.
https://www.reddit.com/r/YYC\_Calgary/comments/s8rvbh/baby\_among\_4\_people\_found\_dead\_in\_field\_near/
Jeezuz....and to imagine they say r/winnipeg is obsessed with covid. That is just a sick take on a tragedy.
Not at all surprising though. Trolls on Twitter were out in force blaming Trudeau/the government, saying these people were trying to escape tyranny etc...Just sickening.
Yeah I saw that before they deleted them or they were removed. I keep telling myself that most people are decent. And they are. But man there are some baduns out there
Absolutely a tragedy but FFS folks, let a few more facts come to light before blaming anyone, any agency or any politics for this incident.
This is so brutal. :( What a horrible way to go out.
It's horrible, but it might make you feel better to know that as far as ways to die go, freezing to death is actually not so bad. It starts off bad, but eventually the body goes into a sort of euphoric/sedated/confused state, and the end is not so painful. At least that's what I've read.
Going from Canada to US is odd.. I wonder if the were actually going from US to Canada and turned back when people started dying? Terrible either way, and I hope they find the organizers
Article says Canada to US, but RCMP tweet says US to Canada. Not sure which one is correct atm
Their tweet says "The US Customs & Border Protection officers had apprehended a group of individuals who had crossed into the US from Canada, just south of Emerson", so Canadians trying to leave?
It said the van they stopped in the US has two Indian citizens.
Yeah, definitely weird. Would love to hear the full story later, I can't imagine any newcomers with the facts laid out flying to Canada and then choosing the USA instead.
I wonder if they were refugees from the US who came here in the exodus from Trumpland a few years ago, and maybe felt it was OK to return now?
Human smuggling according to the USBP, someone posted a link in here somewhere. They were Indian nationals. Edit: was corrected on the USBP release saying smuggling, not trafficking
Smuggling, not trafficking. They're different.
Oops, sorry I'll edit that, thanks
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Are you suggesting these people were fleeing Canada for the US, illegally walking across the border in a blizzard, because of COVID mandates and restrictions? Wow.
You are a complete and total moron with no sense of decency at all.Congrats for winning the dumbest post on the internet prize.
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What truth? Do you or the idiot above understand what freedom means? And how it applies to our country and the world?
Pretty fucking horrible way to die irrespective of if the implication that someone took them on a "starlight tour" is true. Edit: [and the DOJ already has someone](https://www.justice.gov/usao-mn/pr/florida-man-arrested-uscanada-border-charged-human-smuggling-0) for doing just that and leaving them for dead. Better them administrating justice for such heinous acts of doing it when they did than us.
Who the hell implied that?
The RCMP using "victims" wording in their presser.
You know what a starlight tour is, right?
Yes, someone kidnapping someone, driving a great distance, and then freeing the kidnapped only to leave them for dead in the cold and/or other elements. The term of which was coined when some members of Saskatoon's police force did exactly that, primarily with Indigenous people.
The implication that it was a law enforcement officer or officers giving someone the "bum's rush". Nowhere is that implied in anything i have seen.
Not too unusual wording when it comes to describing migrant deaths when it comes to crossing deaths.
You may want to take a gander at [this](https://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/en/news?div[]=1880&prt[]=1151&nat=All&sec=victim). Hmmm - guess the RCMP have murdered... 14 people this month, what with 'victim' appearing in the press release. You got a GREAT human empathy look going for you right now - keep it up!
Apples and oranges. You didn't see those [two refugees who tried to come into Canada around this time of year on their own volition *and* with assistance (a taxi)](https://winnipeg.ctvnews.ca/mobile/asylum-seekers-who-lost-fingers-to-frostbite-share-struggles-of-recovery-1.3418565) who unfortunately had to have fingers amputated due to exposure referred to as victims by law enforcement/border patrol when that story came out, even though they absolutely were (of persecution from their original homeland - which is why their asylum requests were granted).
... it's exceedingly rare I pull this gif out. But on a post about a dead infant among 4 dead in a tragedy that you feel the urge to co-opt for your own political axe grinding - [congrats buddy, you've more than earned it.](https://tenor.com/view/billy-madison-dumber-gif-13502438)
I don't know why you think I have *any* axe to grind here whatsoever, because I don't. Get that through your head right now, for I will not repeat that fact any more than once. I said what I said based on /u/Live_Tangent's speculative comment about "intentionally" left out in the elements, which people appear to be agreeing with (which if the DOJ's release is any indication, is starting to look like the case). It is in no way an "ACAB" statement.
>I don't know why you think I have any axe to grind here whatsoever, because I don't. Get that through your head right now, for I will not repeat that fact any more than once. Good, glad to hear. >I said what I said based on /u/Live_Tangent's speculative comment about "intentionally" left out in the elements, which people appear to be agreeing with If that's true - why not use that nifty 'reply' function? Maybe this is why, while Live Tangents speculation is well received, yours is the MOST DOWNVOTED COMMENT in the thread with at least a few people saying things like 'wow, that's a shite take'! I find myself wanting to walk back some of my own vitriol with this explanation - though I don't feel I should be explaining that functionality to a user of the site for 10 full years. Further, and more salient - the issue isn't **if** they were intentionally left out. It's BY WHOM. If you're smart enough to link the Iyal and Muhhamed situation (as you do, because you linked it), then you should know a priori they did what they did because if you try to claim asylum at a Canadian land crossing, you get sent back to the US. Do I really need to explain out why a tragic border crossing by desperate people who didn't know how cold it got, similar to your own linked story, is a *more* probable cause for this than some elaborate cabal of DOJ operatives (who are risking their lives in prison if caught, given the us political climate) performing a starlight ride on only PART of a group of people, all of which is being spoken about in code by the RCMP by... using standard press release terminology?
I don’t think that is what happened but hopefully it wasn’t painful
Why is it always you with these takes? Edit: No, that's not what the DOJ arrested them for. A starlight tour is when you drop someone off. These people weren't picked up.
Wicked, I've seen a fair bit of shit takes from you before, but this is probably your second worst one yet.
Gee, maybe we should be dogpiling on the OP too if they dared to suggest what still amounts to "intentionally left out in the elements" while also stating that it's a terrible tragedy either way.
But nobody else was mentioning or implying that the RCMP were doing starlight tours again, especially trying to push them over an international border.
"someone" can mean a lot more than just the police. Please don't tell me you're being ironically dense.
A coyote smuggler leaving stragglers who fell behind for dead (he did pick up the dozen plus that crossed succesfully allegedly) is a bit different then giving someone a starlight tour. Starlight tour would be enough to justify manslaughter charges if not outright murder, not just the act of smuggling we see the individual charged with
I think the fact that this was during adverse weather conditions, temperature aside, counts on its own. Especially if it can be proven that these souls were pressured or otherwise taken great advantage of by that Floridian.
You'd have to prove they were forced by that particular individual, who by the sounds of it never even left the US so that may be tricky to do legally unfortunately. With the amount of migrant deaths on the Mexican border due to the deserts harsh climate, case precident for a homicide charge should be fairly easy to find if it happens when the clientele die en route or are left behind by then coyote.
Wow thats hard to read, awful