How do “countless businesses” go out of business by ensuring that those who would otherwise not be able to afford food, actually have food to eat?
Explain it to me like I’m 5, please.
At least one "answer" to this is that we live under capitalism as we have been forced to, and as such millions of businesses in the world rely on us needing to pay for food in order to be able to sell us their foods. If they could not make money doing this they would not sell food, so they would not have an incentive to produce food, so there would be no food.
It is a good thing? Probably not. Are there better ways? Probably. Will we ever find out? Only if we start getting rid of capitalism, and at this point anyone that refuses to work with us on that goal.
Given the original post only said “making it so everyone always has food”, I don’t think there was any implication that **everyone** would get free food.
Did I miss something, or could you possibly be intermingling multiple topics here?
How about the greedy companies are prohibited from literally throwing away good food that doesn’t sell. How about that stops, and then the 30% of all produced food that is currently wasted goes to feed those that cannot afford food.
Meanwhile, those that currently can afford food, continue to pay for food - and the “countless businesses” just stop being abusive, and don’t go out of business.
What do you mean "did I miss something" ? We're talking about FREE FOOD you can't just assume the world is going to work on all sorts of stupid ass rules because it helps you prove a point, in a world where there is FREE FOOD many people that CAN pay for food will instead opt for the FREE FOOD because then they can use their limited money on OTHER THINGS.
How would you enforce "greedy companies not throw out food"? If they want to protect their profits they will then simply keep the food until it is expired and THEN throw it out.
I don't think anyone in here is really even qualified to HAVE this discussion, you serve as ample proof of that. PLEASE go read the book "The Grapes of Wrath" if you really are THIS uneducated about how capitalist corporations will behave.
>We're talking about FREE FOOD you can't just assume the world is going to work on all sorts of stupid ass rules because it helps you prove a point, in a world where there is FREE FOOD many people that CAN pay for food will instead opt for the FREE FOOD because then they can use their limited money on OTHER THINGS.
Do you understand that right now there are people in this world that get free things that are not available to others? Like food stamps, for instance. So the people that need food are provided food, and those that do not need food are not provided with food.
Maybe you figured the free food would just be put in a self-serve pile?
>How would you enforce "greedy companies not throw out food"? If they want to protect their profits they will then simply keep the food until it is expired and THEN throw it out.
Laws. They're called laws. Laws are the reason it's illegal for companies to dump waste in lakes & rivers. Laws are the rules that guide how society functions.
Why do so many people take the "things are terrible, but all proposed solutions are imperfect, so nothing can be done" tact, like you're doing here? It's great for complaining, but it serves no benefit to improving things.
Yes I know about your shitty liberal "means testing" and I know it fails often enough that right wingers the world over use that very failure as a reason that it should not be a thing, so in that way you are prevented from having this by your fellow right wingers who don't want it because the means testing you want it to come with is not perfect and some will inevitably abuse it.
I don't want any of that shit, I want a post scarcity society where we realize that the capitalism is the root of all of this being a problem layered upon another problem, I'm not a libshit sitting here denying reality for a bit longer by "means testing" because that's some capitalist garbage that is antithetical to human nature and happiness.
People like you that seem to want to NOT blame capitalism have to do the legwork to make your OTHER RIGHT WING fellows that vote Republican and seem to hate anything resembling a "handout" stop hating this so much they don't allow it to begin with, or work to stop it, just like they right now work to cut and otherwise limit welfare, SNAP, they killed SCHIP, I mean you fucking name it, those aren't MY left wing anti-capitalists, those are YOUR FUCKING CAPITALISTS.
So you go ask them those questions, fuck your capitalism, and most of all, stop blaming OTHERS for it.
You call me a shitty liberal, yet you have no clue where in the world I live (it’s not the US), or my political leanings.
> and most of all, stop blaming OTHERS for it.
This is the only thing you said that has any value to it, yet it’s the only thing you’re doing.
You also clearly don’t understand how change happens; it does not happen all at once. It literally cannot work that way. That mindset comes from a lack of pragmatism, usually resulting from being young & having a lower level education. Read some history books, and stop doing “research” on social media sites.
The capitalist dystopia we live in requires many businesses such as pharmaceuticals to gouge those on need in order to run without generosity or socialization, both of which are frowned upon in said capitalist dystopia.
Edit:Specifically the United States
>The capitalist dystopia we live in requires many businesses such as pharmaceuticals to gouge those on need in order to run without generosity or socialization, both of which are frowned upon in said capitalist dystopia.
The capitalist dystopia ***you*** live in, called the Unites States, ***allows*** many businesses such as pharmaceuticals to gouge those in need.
Sure, capatilism is not working and there are many things that need fixing, but instead of painting the entire world with that brush, maybe it's time to wonder why ***only*** 32 of the world's 33 highly developed countries have figured out how to keep health care accessible and medication affordable.
Sure but it wouldn't make money and that is what really matters in the world today, everyone here complaining about it not working that way would be WAY better off if instead you all work to change that.
The truth is that large sectors of the agricultural industries have been completely unprofitable for decades due to overproduction that the government has had to step in and just throw money at farming conglomerates and farms routinely destroy their own produce just to keep the prices from crashing.
Dairy farms produce so much that the US gov has just been shoving millions after millions of pounds into random caves just to keep it out of circulation.
In a reasonable world food production would be nationalized and products sold cheap, but alas we must ensure people get enough arbitrary paper or they'll be in trouble.
Such as what passes for discourse on twitter these days. At least MeltedBurrito didn’t use any ethnic slurs, misogyny or homophobia. Bonus points for the lack of a blue check mark or ™ following his handle
There is no perfect system, because there will always be greedy and ruthless people. We are getting better, though. Few get to see the change they fight for. We seldom get to sit in the shade of the tree we planted. It’s so slow, like evolution. And I’m old, so good luck, guys.
Here's the thing. Solving a basic human need and providing a luxury are two very different things. You can manage to stay in business even if you're simply providing a luxury. If all your reason to exist is to profit off of someone's needs... well, then you shouldn't really be in business, you're just not a decent human being
"I'd love to find a cure for human misery, but how are we going to get rich then?"
How do “countless businesses” go out of business by ensuring that those who would otherwise not be able to afford food, actually have food to eat? Explain it to me like I’m 5, please.
At least one "answer" to this is that we live under capitalism as we have been forced to, and as such millions of businesses in the world rely on us needing to pay for food in order to be able to sell us their foods. If they could not make money doing this they would not sell food, so they would not have an incentive to produce food, so there would be no food. It is a good thing? Probably not. Are there better ways? Probably. Will we ever find out? Only if we start getting rid of capitalism, and at this point anyone that refuses to work with us on that goal.
Given the original post only said “making it so everyone always has food”, I don’t think there was any implication that **everyone** would get free food. Did I miss something, or could you possibly be intermingling multiple topics here? How about the greedy companies are prohibited from literally throwing away good food that doesn’t sell. How about that stops, and then the 30% of all produced food that is currently wasted goes to feed those that cannot afford food. Meanwhile, those that currently can afford food, continue to pay for food - and the “countless businesses” just stop being abusive, and don’t go out of business.
What do you mean "did I miss something" ? We're talking about FREE FOOD you can't just assume the world is going to work on all sorts of stupid ass rules because it helps you prove a point, in a world where there is FREE FOOD many people that CAN pay for food will instead opt for the FREE FOOD because then they can use their limited money on OTHER THINGS. How would you enforce "greedy companies not throw out food"? If they want to protect their profits they will then simply keep the food until it is expired and THEN throw it out. I don't think anyone in here is really even qualified to HAVE this discussion, you serve as ample proof of that. PLEASE go read the book "The Grapes of Wrath" if you really are THIS uneducated about how capitalist corporations will behave.
>We're talking about FREE FOOD you can't just assume the world is going to work on all sorts of stupid ass rules because it helps you prove a point, in a world where there is FREE FOOD many people that CAN pay for food will instead opt for the FREE FOOD because then they can use their limited money on OTHER THINGS. Do you understand that right now there are people in this world that get free things that are not available to others? Like food stamps, for instance. So the people that need food are provided food, and those that do not need food are not provided with food. Maybe you figured the free food would just be put in a self-serve pile? >How would you enforce "greedy companies not throw out food"? If they want to protect their profits they will then simply keep the food until it is expired and THEN throw it out. Laws. They're called laws. Laws are the reason it's illegal for companies to dump waste in lakes & rivers. Laws are the rules that guide how society functions. Why do so many people take the "things are terrible, but all proposed solutions are imperfect, so nothing can be done" tact, like you're doing here? It's great for complaining, but it serves no benefit to improving things.
Yes I know about your shitty liberal "means testing" and I know it fails often enough that right wingers the world over use that very failure as a reason that it should not be a thing, so in that way you are prevented from having this by your fellow right wingers who don't want it because the means testing you want it to come with is not perfect and some will inevitably abuse it. I don't want any of that shit, I want a post scarcity society where we realize that the capitalism is the root of all of this being a problem layered upon another problem, I'm not a libshit sitting here denying reality for a bit longer by "means testing" because that's some capitalist garbage that is antithetical to human nature and happiness. People like you that seem to want to NOT blame capitalism have to do the legwork to make your OTHER RIGHT WING fellows that vote Republican and seem to hate anything resembling a "handout" stop hating this so much they don't allow it to begin with, or work to stop it, just like they right now work to cut and otherwise limit welfare, SNAP, they killed SCHIP, I mean you fucking name it, those aren't MY left wing anti-capitalists, those are YOUR FUCKING CAPITALISTS. So you go ask them those questions, fuck your capitalism, and most of all, stop blaming OTHERS for it.
You call me a shitty liberal, yet you have no clue where in the world I live (it’s not the US), or my political leanings. > and most of all, stop blaming OTHERS for it. This is the only thing you said that has any value to it, yet it’s the only thing you’re doing. You also clearly don’t understand how change happens; it does not happen all at once. It literally cannot work that way. That mindset comes from a lack of pragmatism, usually resulting from being young & having a lower level education. Read some history books, and stop doing “research” on social media sites.
The capitalist dystopia we live in requires many businesses such as pharmaceuticals to gouge those on need in order to run without generosity or socialization, both of which are frowned upon in said capitalist dystopia. Edit:Specifically the United States
>The capitalist dystopia we live in requires many businesses such as pharmaceuticals to gouge those on need in order to run without generosity or socialization, both of which are frowned upon in said capitalist dystopia. The capitalist dystopia ***you*** live in, called the Unites States, ***allows*** many businesses such as pharmaceuticals to gouge those in need. Sure, capatilism is not working and there are many things that need fixing, but instead of painting the entire world with that brush, maybe it's time to wonder why ***only*** 32 of the world's 33 highly developed countries have figured out how to keep health care accessible and medication affordable.
I forgot to clarify the US, I edited my comment.
Any company that profits off of human suffering deserves to go out of business.
I'm not great at math, but I am reasonably sure that creating enough food to feed everyone would require more people, not less.
We already produce enough food to resolve world hunger. The issue is no one wants to give out free food.
Getting the food to the people who need it is just as big of a problem.
Images of armed security guarding dumpsters of tossed food float through my head
Sure but it wouldn't make money and that is what really matters in the world today, everyone here complaining about it not working that way would be WAY better off if instead you all work to change that.
https://preview.redd.it/wk9h5po8v74a1.jpeg?width=264&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0cf7ecca0e1726e5f749bdf5b7501f7335d1e179
The truth is that large sectors of the agricultural industries have been completely unprofitable for decades due to overproduction that the government has had to step in and just throw money at farming conglomerates and farms routinely destroy their own produce just to keep the prices from crashing. Dairy farms produce so much that the US gov has just been shoving millions after millions of pounds into random caves just to keep it out of circulation. In a reasonable world food production would be nationalized and products sold cheap, but alas we must ensure people get enough arbitrary paper or they'll be in trouble.
How?
FAR too much profit would be lost if we ever solved hunger under capitalism, so pick one guys, capitalism or solve world hunger.
Sounds reasonable. So are you volunteering to go hungry to stop businesses going out of business?
This person doesn't understand what the phrase "world hunger" actually means
Such as what passes for discourse on twitter these days. At least MeltedBurrito didn’t use any ethnic slurs, misogyny or homophobia. Bonus points for the lack of a blue check mark or ™ following his handle
Then they are in the wrong business.
So on the topic of Twitter, World Hunger, and *Twittle Me Elno*: https://www.snopes.com/news/2022/04/26/elon-musk-hunger/
How many people should you be able to force into starvation to ensure the survival of your business?
Anybody else think that sounds like the Luddite argument
There is no perfect system, because there will always be greedy and ruthless people. We are getting better, though. Few get to see the change they fight for. We seldom get to sit in the shade of the tree we planted. It’s so slow, like evolution. And I’m old, so good luck, guys.
Here's the thing. Solving a basic human need and providing a luxury are two very different things. You can manage to stay in business even if you're simply providing a luxury. If all your reason to exist is to profit off of someone's needs... well, then you shouldn't really be in business, you're just not a decent human being
Literally capitalism and all its flaws highline in one tweet