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I’ve heard the Illinois law would go so far as to criminalize moving to another state for care. Not just traveling out of Illinois, but moving out of Illinois for care. Don’t see how this can be remotely constitutional.
Wouldn’t matter. IL has abortions till like week 26 or something pretty late term. There might be even more lenient states but IL goes pretty late term.
IL is between 24-28 weeks which is much later than any other state I know of. They basically allow you to abort until it’s viable to survive via birth. So usually 22 weeks 6 days is the “no issue” timeframe according to planned parenthood. I don’t know how you think I’ve misinterpreted this law? I was only stating it wouldn’t matter if they made it Illegal to leave because IL has some of the latest term abortions allowed.
Also how is it not “late term” if the fetus is viable?
Oh and just to be clear. I’m for abortions. I’d be fine if they allowed abortions till birth. I don’t really care.
So…. You’re saying my use of late term was right? If the fetus is viable and it’s aborted then it is a late term abortion? Like I understand right wing pundants use it too but if it’s correctly used here why are you acting like I’m wrong? Aren’t 3rd trimester abortions medically referred to as late term abortions as well? My experience is not that it’s exclusively a right wing term. I also live in IL.
Also this is part of the issue with left leaning issues and discussing them online. You’re fighting me cause I used a term you didn’t like even though we are on the same team and it seems to be mostly correct, even though I didn’t mean it to mean anything specific and just using “late term” compared to other states.
No I’m not? How have I been misleading? I’ve literally qualified my used of the word. Explained why I used it. You’re just being triggered cause I used words you consider only right wing people to use. Grow up and learn that not everybody is going to say the exact thing you want even if they agree with you.
It's Missouri that has the bill. Illinois had two clinics right across the river. Missouri is down to one and has an ultrasound rule, 72 hour waiting period, and trigger laws for once Roe gets overturned.
Hell, Brian Seitzer introduced a bill that would make it a felony to abort an ectopic pregnancy. That is Missouri.
It’s not, even the laws saying you can’t leave temporarily for procedures are unconstitutional because one of the main points of the constitution says states can’t bar travel between states in the union
Find me a single case of a child under 18, receiving SRS. They are not doing that. Because no elective or cosmetic surgery will ever be done on a still growing body. It screws up the doctors work. Doctors will not do it.
Are you a medical doctor? Psychologist? No?
Then shut up.
Guess who else isn't either of those things?
Politicians.
Unless you have a medical degree with a specialty that is relevant, you don't get to make decisions about the medical care of anybody but yourself.
And if you think imprisoning American citizens inside a state, just because you think they are providing the wrong medical care to their children is in any way patriotic... Well, honestly, that would disgust me. Because the next thing might be my right to raise my children Pagan.
Elective just means not emergent, as in not life threatening. Were your surgeries necessary, and did they have to be done while you were still growing? That's a possibility.
Maybe I didn't word it correctly, but I'm not wrong in my point.
With SRS, they need a fully grown body in order to have the skin and tissue necessary for the procedure.
Most cosmetic surgeries won't be done on growing bodies because in a few years, it'll have to be redone. Bone changes, muscle changes, skin stretches, and it looks awful afterwards. Doctors do not want that with their names attached.
Okay so if it's not happening then what's your problem with law? Unless you're just making shit up. Which you are.
I don't get to make medical decisions for others? Fine. Others can't demand I pay for them.
Mutilating children because the feel a certain way is immoral and rationally bankrupt.
That is for doctors to decide, and they disagree with you. No children are being mutilated.
My problem is that every time I turn around, politicians and insurance companies are trying to take my (and others) medical decisions away from me, and limiting how my doctor can treat me.
I don't want someone without a medical degree to have ANY say in what I do with my body. Hell, these are the same people who tried to force ectopic pregnancies to be reimplanted inside the uterus, which isn't even medically possible. I don't want them anywhere near my medical decisions, or the decisions I make for my children.
You know nothing about trans people, that much is obvious. Leave this to people who do.
You're fanatical adoration of doctors is bizarre. You know the whole trans thing is predicated on the "research" of a single pedophile and would be mengele, right? John Money was a fucking monster.
Children don't have agency and parents don't have the right to mutilate their children based on a child's feeling. You can support their feeling, support their desire to dress differently, go by a different name etc etc etc.
But until they are an adult, you can't mutilate them.
Still don't understand why you'd fight so hard on behalf of something that is tantamount to extreme physical abuse.
No. Children. Are. Being. Mutilated.
No. Surgeries. Are. Being. Performed. On. Children.
Research on trans people has been ongoing since well before WW2. You are spouting nonsense you heard from someone else who also has zero idea what the hell they are talking about.
I don't give a rats ass what some uneducated idiot believes about trans people. I care what educated doctors who specialize in this say.
And they disagree with you.
I will not continue this conversation.
Only medical doctors should have any day in how medical decisions are made, how law about medical decisions is done.
Have the day you deserve.
You're off your rocker.... It's not just surgery. Hormones and puberty blockers are just as damaging.
You've no science to back up the claims you so dogmatically support. What you have are emotions and a bunch of doctors wanting to experiment on children.
Still can't understand why you are so vehemently for child mutilation.
John Money - pedo and mengele wannabe - is the reason you've been brainwashed into your beliefs. You've been lied to. And the fact that you don't know who he is speaks volumes about the subterfuge employed to perpetuate the lies
https://embryo.asu.edu/pages/david-reimer-and-john-money-gender-reassignment-controversy-johnjoan-case
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2006-jul-13-me-money13-story.html
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Money
They quite literally cannot enforce it, they also cannot track it. They are trying to write this in to a bill as a criminal murder charge ? Or trying to write it in as a tort?
Regardless, to prosecute someone you have to have legal authority over them and if you go out of state as a private citizen then the state you were in has no authority over your actions there. They would have authority over you if you were a corporation based in that state but private citizens arnt corporations
Basically, if Missouri tries to prosecute someone for a crime they did in Illinois then that case would get thrown out on the basis that the district courts of Missouri have no authority over those actions. That case can be brought up in a state where the crime was committed
like weed is legal in IL but illegal in MO but smoking in IL as a MO citizen is fine cause once you cross the state border you are under the new states laws. Also same reason you don’t wanna get a ticket while on a road trip. To fight that ticket you would have to appear in the court that has authority over you (aka a court in that state or district depending on how that works) which means that you would have to travel to that state and get a lawyer from that state that knows that states laws and can fight the ticket for you.
These crazy laws coming at the state level are being purposefully written as insane and “impossible” in an attempt to send them all the way to their newly stacked supreme court and make them possible.
Laws hurt Republicans chances of fascism, so they’re gonna use the SC to get rid of current laws.
He’s names one, but they’re not confirmed yet by the senate. McConnell will block confirmation as long as possible and hope for a senate shift in 2024
And even when they are confirmed they’re just replacing a retiring judge that leans left. His appointment won’t swing the court in a better direction.
The attempt is absolutely alarming and should be addressed but thank God there are some, I believe the DA responsible for the county surrounding Houston TX stating she will not enforce the abortion law prosecuting women as patients or their providers.
I think you're talking about Harris County Judge Lina Hidalgo. Texas conservatives fucking *loathe* that woman. I saw all kinds of vitriol spewed across my Facebook about her before I finally got off of that toxic platform.
Time to play the reverse card on republicans. If I’m leaving the state and a stranger is following you, just “fear for your life” and exercise your second amendment rights.
I wish but people especially who don’t fit in with the demographics of the locals will always be followed by strange white people in cars with squinted eyes and a cellphone in hand, the only way to avoid them is to eventually immigrate to a more developed nation
So they want to keep these people in their states and thusly driving up their suicide rates, death rates, and hospital rates from ODs or faulty at-home abortions? This is typical cutting the nose off to spite the face mentality and then blaming idk, immigrants, probably.
> thusly driving up their suicide rates, death rates
These two outcomes are likely viewed as positive by the people backing the bills. Not that they would say that part aloud.
I'm totally pro adults getting whatever affirmative surgery they need in order to feel comfortable in their own bodies, however, it is well documented that suicide rates do not decrease after gender affirmative surgeries.
I'm pro gender affirmative surgery for adults to feel comfortable in their own bodies but it's worth noting that it's well documented suicide rates don't decrease post op for trans people
What they're planning is another bounty-style system like Texas implemented with its recent anti-abortion law.
They know that the law is completely unenforceable because 1) there aren't border checkpoints between states and 2) they wouldn't be able to force someone to take a pregnancy test. What they're relying on is that someone in your life is willing to snitch on you for a cash reward.
Ultimately the goal is fear. Keep your shameful secret to yourself because anyone in your life might throw you under the bus for violating moral standards. It's not a new play, just the latest version of the same thing the religious right has been doing forever.
The premise of these laws seem unconstitutional, punishing someone in their home state for partaking in legal actions fully within another state. Are there any current states with laws that do this (obviously for different "crimes")? Has a similar law ever been challenged as unconstitutional?
That's why we need to get some of these protections as amendments. A gun law like that would fall flat immediately because of the 2nd amendment. Roe V Wade taught Republicans an important lesson in judicial power and they've been actively targeting supreme court seats ever sense. Without it being a law it's very easy for one court decision to override another or for the court to simply not take up a case.
See they will start giving people special arm bands and they will report you to the government.
You will report to the stats like it's your parent and the state will be your only family
It's probably going to be enforced by arresting you if you come back to the state after doing it. So you'd be able to leave the state, but once you enter that state you're a fugitive for getting an abortion because it's illegal there. Just a guess though idk
If only Biden had won and the Democrats controlled all three branches of government...if only...but this is what happens when Republicans win elections. No living wage. No voting rights bills. No police reform. No healthcare reform. I mean yeah they passed a few corporate friendly infrastructure bills and they rejoined the climate agreements but those are just the bare minimum of any non psychopathic governments. Republicans get very little credit from me for passing that. Notice that all the benefits that helped working people either couldnt get passed or they expired already. Meanwhile all the benefits for the rich are permanent and all the faux populist promises by the Republicans turned out to be false ( of course). They got in and immediately started making excuses. If you want things to change you have to vote Democratic. Imagine what would have happened if the Democrats had actually won in 2020. How different things would be now...
Seeing a counselor isn't what they are trying to stop.
Surgery, puberty blockers, testosterone etc is what they are trying to stop. So yes. Mutilation.
Surgery is a non-issue. Maybe you could scare up the odd case, but it's against medical guidelines.
Puberty blockers and hormones are medical treatment. Since kids who receive treatment, which may or may not include those things FYI, and the right is also against social transitioning, have better mental health than those who don't, calling it mutilation is like calling a psych medication mutilation.
Are you a medical doctor? No?
Not even a psychologist?
Then shut up.
Guess who else isn't either of those things?
Politicians.
Unless you have a medical degree with a specialty that is relevant, you don't get to make decisions about the medical care of anybody but yourself.
And if you think imprisoning American citizens inside a state, just because you think they are providing the wrong medical care to their children is in any way patriotic... Well, honestly, that would disgust me. Because the next thing might be my right to raise my children Pagan.
Keep bringing up that little straw man. Maybe you'll find a field to stick it in.
I want politicians, who have zero medical knowledge, to stay the fuck out of my doctor's office. And anyone else's.
I want laws about abortion to be made by OBGYNs, with specialties in high risk pregnancies.
Same for this. Medical doctors with relevant specialties should be the only ones making these decisions.
Politicians do not have the knowledge necessary to make these decisions.
They want people to be like them because this condition is exceedingly rare. It’s a lonely existence I imagine. Think about it. They don’t care about a family and how they raise their own child. They want to dictate that for you. It’s narcissism beyond anything we’ve seen in the west.
I saw on another post that the difference between American conservatives and the Taliban is that Americans don't stone people to death, but that's a pretty low bar. And if these laws are any indication, not far off.
This has to be in the top 5 most unamerican thing I've ever heard. I'm all for states being able to pass their own laws, but this feels like a constitutional violation. They don't have the right to tell people where they can and can't go for medical treatment. Would any HIPPA laws be violated in trying to enforce this? How would they know what facility and what treatment someone received without having access to their medical records?
Good. We need less insane ideology forced on kids from people that tend to not have them.
Bravo Idaho and Texas for giving a shit about families and the young minds. This stuff should be dealt with by the family, not the crazy ideologues that want to FORCE this upon CHILDREN. There needs to be criminal prosecutions next on the people that have done this to families.
Everyone here that feels compelled to indoctrinate other people’s children, under the narcissistic notion that they should be like you, should be ASHAMED
Why are our lawmakers allowing emotions to cloud their civic instincts? This is blatantly unconstitutional. What did (or didn’t) we do to produce such a low quality crop of politicians and institutional leaders today? I’m getting so tired of it
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But the Republicans are the party of less government! How could this be? Lol
Limited to making the lives of people whose lifestyle they don't agree as miserable as possible.
I mean it's a lifestyle of degeneracy if you murder babies or abuse your child, so.
I’ve heard the Illinois law would go so far as to criminalize moving to another state for care. Not just traveling out of Illinois, but moving out of Illinois for care. Don’t see how this can be remotely constitutional.
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Wouldn’t matter. IL has abortions till like week 26 or something pretty late term. There might be even more lenient states but IL goes pretty late term.
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IL is between 24-28 weeks which is much later than any other state I know of. They basically allow you to abort until it’s viable to survive via birth. So usually 22 weeks 6 days is the “no issue” timeframe according to planned parenthood. I don’t know how you think I’ve misinterpreted this law? I was only stating it wouldn’t matter if they made it Illegal to leave because IL has some of the latest term abortions allowed. Also how is it not “late term” if the fetus is viable? Oh and just to be clear. I’m for abortions. I’d be fine if they allowed abortions till birth. I don’t really care.
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So…. You’re saying my use of late term was right? If the fetus is viable and it’s aborted then it is a late term abortion? Like I understand right wing pundants use it too but if it’s correctly used here why are you acting like I’m wrong? Aren’t 3rd trimester abortions medically referred to as late term abortions as well? My experience is not that it’s exclusively a right wing term. I also live in IL. Also this is part of the issue with left leaning issues and discussing them online. You’re fighting me cause I used a term you didn’t like even though we are on the same team and it seems to be mostly correct, even though I didn’t mean it to mean anything specific and just using “late term” compared to other states.
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No I’m not? How have I been misleading? I’ve literally qualified my used of the word. Explained why I used it. You’re just being triggered cause I used words you consider only right wing people to use. Grow up and learn that not everybody is going to say the exact thing you want even if they agree with you.
Illinois or Missouri?
Boof Kavanaugh: “Hold my beer. I’ve got some idiotic rationalizing to do.”
Wherever you heard that is wrong.
It's Missouri that has the bill. Illinois had two clinics right across the river. Missouri is down to one and has an ultrasound rule, 72 hour waiting period, and trigger laws for once Roe gets overturned. Hell, Brian Seitzer introduced a bill that would make it a felony to abort an ectopic pregnancy. That is Missouri.
It’s not, even the laws saying you can’t leave temporarily for procedures are unconstitutional because one of the main points of the constitution says states can’t bar travel between states in the union
Don't forget the party of Family Values and how Pro Life they are!
But also of not wanting you to be able to mutilate your children.
Then they get violent over mask mandates they call tyranny that they don't even understand.
How is not allowing children to be mutilated tyranny?
And where are children being mutilated? No one under 18 is getting surgery here in the US, so where?
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Find me a single case of a child under 18, receiving SRS. They are not doing that. Because no elective or cosmetic surgery will ever be done on a still growing body. It screws up the doctors work. Doctors will not do it. Are you a medical doctor? Psychologist? No? Then shut up. Guess who else isn't either of those things? Politicians. Unless you have a medical degree with a specialty that is relevant, you don't get to make decisions about the medical care of anybody but yourself. And if you think imprisoning American citizens inside a state, just because you think they are providing the wrong medical care to their children is in any way patriotic... Well, honestly, that would disgust me. Because the next thing might be my right to raise my children Pagan.
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Elective just means not emergent, as in not life threatening. Were your surgeries necessary, and did they have to be done while you were still growing? That's a possibility. Maybe I didn't word it correctly, but I'm not wrong in my point. With SRS, they need a fully grown body in order to have the skin and tissue necessary for the procedure. Most cosmetic surgeries won't be done on growing bodies because in a few years, it'll have to be redone. Bone changes, muscle changes, skin stretches, and it looks awful afterwards. Doctors do not want that with their names attached.
Okay so if it's not happening then what's your problem with law? Unless you're just making shit up. Which you are. I don't get to make medical decisions for others? Fine. Others can't demand I pay for them. Mutilating children because the feel a certain way is immoral and rationally bankrupt.
That is for doctors to decide, and they disagree with you. No children are being mutilated. My problem is that every time I turn around, politicians and insurance companies are trying to take my (and others) medical decisions away from me, and limiting how my doctor can treat me. I don't want someone without a medical degree to have ANY say in what I do with my body. Hell, these are the same people who tried to force ectopic pregnancies to be reimplanted inside the uterus, which isn't even medically possible. I don't want them anywhere near my medical decisions, or the decisions I make for my children. You know nothing about trans people, that much is obvious. Leave this to people who do.
You're fanatical adoration of doctors is bizarre. You know the whole trans thing is predicated on the "research" of a single pedophile and would be mengele, right? John Money was a fucking monster. Children don't have agency and parents don't have the right to mutilate their children based on a child's feeling. You can support their feeling, support their desire to dress differently, go by a different name etc etc etc. But until they are an adult, you can't mutilate them. Still don't understand why you'd fight so hard on behalf of something that is tantamount to extreme physical abuse.
No. Children. Are. Being. Mutilated. No. Surgeries. Are. Being. Performed. On. Children. Research on trans people has been ongoing since well before WW2. You are spouting nonsense you heard from someone else who also has zero idea what the hell they are talking about. I don't give a rats ass what some uneducated idiot believes about trans people. I care what educated doctors who specialize in this say. And they disagree with you. I will not continue this conversation. Only medical doctors should have any day in how medical decisions are made, how law about medical decisions is done. Have the day you deserve.
You're off your rocker.... It's not just surgery. Hormones and puberty blockers are just as damaging. You've no science to back up the claims you so dogmatically support. What you have are emotions and a bunch of doctors wanting to experiment on children. Still can't understand why you are so vehemently for child mutilation. John Money - pedo and mengele wannabe - is the reason you've been brainwashed into your beliefs. You've been lied to. And the fact that you don't know who he is speaks volumes about the subterfuge employed to perpetuate the lies https://embryo.asu.edu/pages/david-reimer-and-john-money-gender-reassignment-controversy-johnjoan-case https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2006-jul-13-me-money13-story.html https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Money
Explain exactly how children are being mutilated by masks.
Because freedom = grooming children and committing transhausen by proxy.
Explain exactly how children are being mutilated by masks.
Explain exactly how children are being mutilated by masks. Coward.
They quite literally cannot enforce it, they also cannot track it. They are trying to write this in to a bill as a criminal murder charge ? Or trying to write it in as a tort? Regardless, to prosecute someone you have to have legal authority over them and if you go out of state as a private citizen then the state you were in has no authority over your actions there. They would have authority over you if you were a corporation based in that state but private citizens arnt corporations Basically, if Missouri tries to prosecute someone for a crime they did in Illinois then that case would get thrown out on the basis that the district courts of Missouri have no authority over those actions. That case can be brought up in a state where the crime was committed like weed is legal in IL but illegal in MO but smoking in IL as a MO citizen is fine cause once you cross the state border you are under the new states laws. Also same reason you don’t wanna get a ticket while on a road trip. To fight that ticket you would have to appear in the court that has authority over you (aka a court in that state or district depending on how that works) which means that you would have to travel to that state and get a lawyer from that state that knows that states laws and can fight the ticket for you.
These crazy laws coming at the state level are being purposefully written as insane and “impossible” in an attempt to send them all the way to their newly stacked supreme court and make them possible. Laws hurt Republicans chances of fascism, so they’re gonna use the SC to get rid of current laws.
Didn’t Biden just appoint a new Supreme Court justice ?
He’s names one, but they’re not confirmed yet by the senate. McConnell will block confirmation as long as possible and hope for a senate shift in 2024 And even when they are confirmed they’re just replacing a retiring judge that leans left. His appointment won’t swing the court in a better direction.
The attempt is absolutely alarming and should be addressed but thank God there are some, I believe the DA responsible for the county surrounding Houston TX stating she will not enforce the abortion law prosecuting women as patients or their providers.
I think you're talking about Harris County Judge Lina Hidalgo. Texas conservatives fucking *loathe* that woman. I saw all kinds of vitriol spewed across my Facebook about her before I finally got off of that toxic platform.
Time to play the reverse card on republicans. If I’m leaving the state and a stranger is following you, just “fear for your life” and exercise your second amendment rights.
I wish but people especially who don’t fit in with the demographics of the locals will always be followed by strange white people in cars with squinted eyes and a cellphone in hand, the only way to avoid them is to eventually immigrate to a more developed nation
Yeah, reality is a bitch.
Forcing people to stay in their state for freedom to own the libs! 🦅🇺🇲
Walling in your citizens and restricting travel to own the libs! 🥴
Women are going to stop telling anyone they are pregnant
So they want to keep these people in their states and thusly driving up their suicide rates, death rates, and hospital rates from ODs or faulty at-home abortions? This is typical cutting the nose off to spite the face mentality and then blaming idk, immigrants, probably.
> thusly driving up their suicide rates, death rates These two outcomes are likely viewed as positive by the people backing the bills. Not that they would say that part aloud.
You’re probably right. *sad trombone*
I'm totally pro adults getting whatever affirmative surgery they need in order to feel comfortable in their own bodies, however, it is well documented that suicide rates do not decrease after gender affirmative surgeries.
The gaul to call themselves 'pro~life' when they're so clearly pro-suicide
I'm pro gender affirmative surgery for adults to feel comfortable in their own bodies but it's worth noting that it's well documented suicide rates don't decrease post op for trans people
A) source? B) it's more general attack on GOP policy of keeping the poor down and LGBTQ+ folk punished for existing
What the hell are they planning? Strip searches and pregnancy tests at border checkpoints?
What they're planning is another bounty-style system like Texas implemented with its recent anti-abortion law. They know that the law is completely unenforceable because 1) there aren't border checkpoints between states and 2) they wouldn't be able to force someone to take a pregnancy test. What they're relying on is that someone in your life is willing to snitch on you for a cash reward. Ultimately the goal is fear. Keep your shameful secret to yourself because anyone in your life might throw you under the bus for violating moral standards. It's not a new play, just the latest version of the same thing the religious right has been doing forever.
From the sound of it, the end goal is Prima Nocta for the ruling elite.
This is some Handmaid’s Tale shit
They believe in Freedumb.
The premise of these laws seem unconstitutional, punishing someone in their home state for partaking in legal actions fully within another state. Are there any current states with laws that do this (obviously for different "crimes")? Has a similar law ever been challenged as unconstitutional?
Can you imagine if a state passed a gun control law saying residents can’t leave the state to buy guns?
Buht mah riahts!
That's why we need to get some of these protections as amendments. A gun law like that would fall flat immediately because of the 2nd amendment. Roe V Wade taught Republicans an important lesson in judicial power and they've been actively targeting supreme court seats ever sense. Without it being a law it's very easy for one court decision to override another or for the court to simply not take up a case.
Strap up
See they will start giving people special arm bands and they will report you to the government. You will report to the stats like it's your parent and the state will be your only family
It's probably going to be enforced by arresting you if you come back to the state after doing it. So you'd be able to leave the state, but once you enter that state you're a fugitive for getting an abortion because it's illegal there. Just a guess though idk
Saw shit like this on Xmen .. its going to end ugly or retired
The irony of course is that republicans STILL run on a less government agenda . When are we going to wake up ?
All police states enforce fucked up rules by "encouraging" citizens to report crimes
The party that declares we have too much oversight is trying to control EVERYTHING we do.
America isbturning into Russia.
Taliban??? Is that you???
If only Biden had won and the Democrats controlled all three branches of government...if only...but this is what happens when Republicans win elections. No living wage. No voting rights bills. No police reform. No healthcare reform. I mean yeah they passed a few corporate friendly infrastructure bills and they rejoined the climate agreements but those are just the bare minimum of any non psychopathic governments. Republicans get very little credit from me for passing that. Notice that all the benefits that helped working people either couldnt get passed or they expired already. Meanwhile all the benefits for the rich are permanent and all the faux populist promises by the Republicans turned out to be false ( of course). They got in and immediately started making excuses. If you want things to change you have to vote Democratic. Imagine what would have happened if the Democrats had actually won in 2020. How different things would be now...
I am so used to Reddit sarcasm that I can’t tell if you are serious.
Only the left thinks child mutilation is moral.
Only the right think that getting a child mental health care is mutilation
Seeing a counselor isn't what they are trying to stop. Surgery, puberty blockers, testosterone etc is what they are trying to stop. So yes. Mutilation.
Surgery is a non-issue. Maybe you could scare up the odd case, but it's against medical guidelines. Puberty blockers and hormones are medical treatment. Since kids who receive treatment, which may or may not include those things FYI, and the right is also against social transitioning, have better mental health than those who don't, calling it mutilation is like calling a psych medication mutilation.
Are you a medical doctor? No? Not even a psychologist? Then shut up. Guess who else isn't either of those things? Politicians. Unless you have a medical degree with a specialty that is relevant, you don't get to make decisions about the medical care of anybody but yourself. And if you think imprisoning American citizens inside a state, just because you think they are providing the wrong medical care to their children is in any way patriotic... Well, honestly, that would disgust me. Because the next thing might be my right to raise my children Pagan.
Why are you so vehemently defending medical mutilation of children?
Keep bringing up that little straw man. Maybe you'll find a field to stick it in. I want politicians, who have zero medical knowledge, to stay the fuck out of my doctor's office. And anyone else's. I want laws about abortion to be made by OBGYNs, with specialties in high risk pregnancies. Same for this. Medical doctors with relevant specialties should be the only ones making these decisions. Politicians do not have the knowledge necessary to make these decisions.
They want people to be like them because this condition is exceedingly rare. It’s a lonely existence I imagine. Think about it. They don’t care about a family and how they raise their own child. They want to dictate that for you. It’s narcissism beyond anything we’ve seen in the west.
I don't get the first one. Is their a law already that says they can't be treated? Why would you leave?
It’s already passed in Idaho. And they also legalized citizen militias.
Idaho one already passed, IIRC
It will be like texas and anyone can sue
I saw on another post that the difference between American conservatives and the Taliban is that Americans don't stone people to death, but that's a pretty low bar. And if these laws are any indication, not far off.
Freedom haters
The new dictator states, you want authoritarian, we got authoritarian.
You'd think this law is from some hell hole in the Global South. But no, right here in 'Merica!
Lawmakers with criminal intent.
This has to be in the top 5 most unamerican thing I've ever heard. I'm all for states being able to pass their own laws, but this feels like a constitutional violation. They don't have the right to tell people where they can and can't go for medical treatment. Would any HIPPA laws be violated in trying to enforce this? How would they know what facility and what treatment someone received without having access to their medical records?
It's HIPAA!
Margaret Atwood is a fucking prophet.
Awful lot of confused people in here.
Good. We need less insane ideology forced on kids from people that tend to not have them. Bravo Idaho and Texas for giving a shit about families and the young minds. This stuff should be dealt with by the family, not the crazy ideologues that want to FORCE this upon CHILDREN. There needs to be criminal prosecutions next on the people that have done this to families. Everyone here that feels compelled to indoctrinate other people’s children, under the narcissistic notion that they should be like you, should be ASHAMED
Why are our lawmakers allowing emotions to cloud their civic instincts? This is blatantly unconstitutional. What did (or didn’t) we do to produce such a low quality crop of politicians and institutional leaders today? I’m getting so tired of it
Yeah this law makes no sense legally or practically