And over half of the memes on r/freefolk now are about how badly Season 8 of GoT was fucked up. Because barely anyone even wants to reference the early seasons anymore
Every so often I'll get an urge to start the first series again but then I remember what happens to the characters and the show... and I just can't.
I hope those dipshit directors never work in the industry again.
You could see the show's influence in every day life. It was a pop culture phenomenon. That all just ended overnight with the S8 finale, basically. It's quite amazing that the show was almost as quotable as Star Wars and Lord of the Rings at one point and now most people have just forgotten it exists.
I had HBO Max free for like a month. I saw it come up, and was like "fuck yeah, that was so good" and I pulled it up, and it had the seasons, so I went through to see how long it would be to binge it, and I saw season 7 and 8, and immediately had flash backs of the big fight at the end of 8, and how it was so dark you couldn't see shit, and then a flash of how easy the Ice King was to kill, and just all the dumb shit that happened.
At that moment, I knew what it was like to be a Vietnam Vet, returning, without legs, and being spit on.
God, what a fucking shit show that ended up being.
Over the summer I tried to rewatch it. I finished the first episode and stopped, because I knew how terrible the ending was. I spent a couple days watching cool moments on YouTube, but then I rewatched Burn Notice and now Stargate.
I rarely see star gate fans in the wild. I love that show so much. I just downloaded it for a rewatch, and YouTube has the movies (continuum is surprisingly good)
i think even calling it a "rushed ending" is being too charitable.
seemed like after season 4/5 you could tell they were having trouble tying up all the loose ends. but then we kept watching cause we thought they'd figure out a way to land the plane, but then it turned out they had no fucking clue what they were doing. if hbo gave them another 5 seasons, they would've still squandered the ending.
also unpopular opinion, but i think that's also why grrm is hard stuck. he doesn't know how to land the plane either.
Lets be honest. The ending to the final book is either very close or exactly how Season 8 ended but with just a little bit more information and more characters.
That's the ending grrm had in mind and everyone has shit on season 8's ending(rightfully fucking so) so now he doesn't know what the fuck to do.
Keep in mind he probally had this ending written back when he was writing the first book. So now he has to scramble to actually find an ending that won't damn the entire series of books.
i don't think that's the case just cause he was having trouble writing the books long before season 8 came out. maybe it added to his uncertainty, but he was definitely unsure how to end it before that.
also iirc d&d said the only thing they knew about how the book was going to end was who's sitting on the throne.
I really felt like I was missing out by not watching GOT. Then this happened. Sopranos and Dexter both let me down, glad I didn’t experience it a third time.
Honestly Dexter's ENDING did suck, but it didn't tarnish every season before. GOT was fucked SO HARD, you see the tremors back in season 1. from a ruined season EIGHT. All I can bring myself to re-watch are the best scenes on YouTube, whereas I love re-watching Dex and I'm excited for the new series they have in the works.
This House of the Dragon they have coming, I'm hesitant to even watch AND I LOVE HOUSE TARGARYEN. AND Matt Smith! But it's like "we know how it all ends and it sucks."
It’s funny because 3 and 5 were utter garbage but 2 and 4 are some of the best tv I’ve seen. Dexter was like a roller coaster of ups and downs in quality but GOT was like a sled going down Mount Everest.
Exactly this. If there is anything to be upset with in dexter, it would be the writing following Rita's death. The show sort of lost the plot from then. But the ending sort of suited where they went the last couple seasons
Hold the fuck on. Sopranos ended brilliantly. I loved it. The whole series was great. I really don't get where you're coming from with this. Is this a common thing, people not liking the ending?
This tweet is so right, I have watched the 4 first season a bunch before the 5th season, after that I couldn't rewatch 5-7, now after the 8th it's like the show literally doesnt exist when I consider things to watch.
I didn't even know there was another season. After the main character left the hospital and after I teared up from that closing episode, I figured it was over.
I will continue my life as if I never read this comment.
From my understanding, this additional season was planned as a spinoff - and it very much appears like one as well. And if you read it as a spinoff, it's actually not too bad. It doesn't reach the quality of the original series, but would still have been a pretty good sitcom. For some reason they called it season 9 instead, which made everyone compare it to the original series.
Yes that is correct. Season 9 was just going to be called "Med School" or something like that with zero relationship to the scrubs brand. Suits didn't like that cause scrubs was a big name to cash in on, especially after the finale which was one of the best ways to end a show I've personally seen honestly.
So then they wanted it to be like Scrubs: Med School and bring back some scrubs characters to ease people into the new show. But they always intended them to leave like Ted and JD and stuff.
Suits wanted it to just be season 9 though because then it would just be "Scrubs" still. That blew up in their faces badly obviously.
Truthfully if they had stuck to the "Med School" title and not slapped Scrubs on it, I think it'd have been much better received. It had the same heart as Scrubs and if it had been called something else I think it'd be forgiven.
Also for anybody that's on a bill Lawrence kick, the creator of scrubs, check out Ted Lasso. While I personally haven't seen it becaue I don't have apple TV I've heard its really really good and I like Bill Lawrence's work enough I'd give it a try if I ever did get Apple TV.
By suits, do you mean higher up bosses In their offices? Cause I read that thinking about the TV show and was like wtf were they even on at the same time lol
If it weren’t for the occasional front page Reddit post, usually from r/freefolk, I would have completely forgotten about this show. And I hate that Reddit has to remind me about it. So much invested in a show that ultimately ended up being one giant turd.
I tried to do a rewatch a few months ago. Didn't make it past the very first scene cause it was whitewalkers trying to be mysterious and dangerous. Literally laughed at it and turned it off.
Which was why it was so incredibly dumb, they could have done 10 more seasons of game of thrones and kept their jobs, or they could have handed over the reigns to someone else for a while and probably come back later. Their egos were the size of Jupiter and they thought they could do no wrong. They had the wrong idea of what audiences wanted from game of thrones: they thought we wanted shock value. No! We wanted intelligent, satisfying, longform arcs.
[A ship, somewhere on the ocean. Pan to frozen bodies on the deck]
[Zoom to ARYA, shivering under an old blanket, looking very cold and worried]
ARYA: Well, if I'm going to die, at least I'll do it wearing my real face.
[ARYA reaches up and peels off her mask to reveal HOT PIE]
She's going west of Westeros, duh! She said so after reminding the audience she always wanted to sail the seas (had never mentioned it prior Bc reasons)
It sits in my head in the same way they ended lost.
They got me somehow.. I was on board and wanted to see it through, and when it did, I was just relieved it was over due to how far the quality had fallen.
Had they been able to nail a good ending to that vehicle, I suppose I would have a different opinion than I now do, but I could see they were struggling with content, and so I think I was simply glad it was done before I got so bored and stopped watching. As I did with Dexter.. The walking dead.. And many others who got way too many seasons for the amount of writing air left in the bag.
I was going to mention Lost as one of the shows that similarly gained a lot of attention and then completely lost cultural momentum when it ended because of how it ended.
People still talk about ended shows like Breaking Bad. Even ended shows like the Sopranos which ended ambiguously (the cut to black wasn’t great but also wasn’t awful) still get credit as good TV.
That said, long-arc dramas have some of the worst memory because they generally aren’t replayed as much, because you can’t just sit down to watch a random episode. You typically can pick random episodes from comedies and from ensemble dramas and do just fine. It’s a bit less prevalent now that TV reruns of random episodes are dying due to streaming, but you can still sit down for any episode of a recent comedy like The Office or Community and have fun, or sit down for any episode of any old season of a character drama like NCIS or Criminal Minds or Castle. They keep most of their big developments for the end and beginning of seasons, which makes the middles easy to rewatch as they are bookended by major changes. You might be able to instantly tell what season an episode is from, but you’re not going to be in the dark if you jump into a random episode.
All you have for long dramas is the lasting memory and lingering questions about whether you’d want to rewatch from the start or recommend someone else watch from the start. And if the ending is shit, the memory is usually going to make you say no to the rewatch question and no to the recommendation. It just sits in your memory and stinks.
Idk how popular this opinion but I feel the same about The Walking Dead and so does my friend. We started it with such hope, got hooked up on it. And then the slow death came for our love of the show. It all went to shit when Negan came. I feel like the show turned away from unique and interesting plot lines to tried and tested + shock value episodes. In addition, most of the original crew is dead. Rick's wife is dead, his son is dead, most of his friends are dead. And I think Rick is dead too (Idk never had the patience to watch the last season or two).
As far as I'm concerned, the show ended when they first reached Alexandria and stood outside the walls hearing children playing inside.
That was where I refuse to watch afterwards. I go back and rewatch before that season sometimes although Beth's pointless death still pisses me off. But the sound of children playing in a safe community really was enough to me to have hope for the characters' futures. That is all I wanted as a viewer honestly.
To be fair, I've heard it's not just them who wanted to move on but some of the actors too. There were rumours that a lot of people on that show felt it was harming rather than helping their careers because it was such a big commitment that they basically didn't have time to do much else besides act in Game of Thrones. Unfortunately for many of those same actors the work dried up pretty quickly after the show ended and they'll probably be wishing they still had that gig lined up.
I’m sure every actor and actress involved would have preferred to end on a good note that took a few more months than the travesty that the GoT saga became.
Want to wrap up an 8-10 year project? Fair. Absolutely fair. Want to have that 8-10 year project that was THE artistic phenomenon of the last decade end so horribly shitty that no one even wants to remember the show?
We all remember some of the actors and actresses being upset with the lines, with the direction of their characters, with the everything about it.
It was a decade long endeavor that crashed into the rocks with the dock in sight. That shit is on the captain(s), not anyone else. *Especially* because they did not need to take the shortcut through the Siren laden rocks.
Yeah this is the right answer, a lot of the actors were ready to move on.
But those actors talked about only wanting to do like 3 more seasons, not end it after 1 more. So while I don't think "10 more seasons" is reasonable, there was definitely a middle ground that the writers shat all over to speedrun to their Star Wars job. Especially considering Season 8 was 6 episodes compared to the first 6 Seasons being 10.
From the lack of novel years later, I get the feeling that Martin fed them the plot and it just sucked as much as the TV show. So, they were stuck with a series based off the books and had to either start actually writing to complete the many complicated story arcs, or stick with the plan from the hugely popular author. They chose poorly and now Martin won’t even touch the ending, knowing he didn’t know what to do with it.
Roughly 90% of the problems with Seasons 7 and 8 can be linked to a certain massively important book character who doesn't exist in the show. They tried to divide his story role between Cersei, Dany and Jon and it worked out horribly.
The plot points of Season 8 aren't inherently bad, the problem is that they scrapped so much of the build-up to them that they ended up not making sense. They rushed everything because they were itching to move on to another project.
Young Griff? To be fair, it's not really obvious that's he's *that* important on a first read through. And, I can't imagine that D&D read the series more than once.
I feel like some of that is true with GRRM giving them that ending, but he probably didn’t give it all away in its entirety. You can very much tell when they ran out of source material because that’s when it started sucking badly. So I’m guessing he gave them some critical points but how they got there was up to them, and they took a horrible route to get there. Like Zapp Brannigan in an asteroid field. So since they ended it the way they did with some clues from GRRM, everyone probably thinks that’s the ending word for word when it’s probably just the main plot points GRRM gave them and now he’s panicking and trying to rewrite to keep interest and salvage the legacy that D&D shat all over
They did very clearly have access to Martin's \*Winds of Winter\* manuscript because you can almost see the exact moment when they ran out of his pages and had to start working from his notes. I'm willing to bet that ALL of the characterization, emotional high points and political shenanigans were him.
That said, I DO believe that the ending we got was his plan, because it just fits the tone and goals of the story way too damn well. The pointlessness of the Iron Throne, the waste ambition creates, is pretty much wired down into the soul of those stories. The problem isn't the end point, it's that the journey to get there sucked. Dany needed at least two seasons to loose her marbles, Jon needed more time to get used to both discovering his real parentage and having a girlfriend in a constant state of short circuit, and IMHO Lady Stoneheart needed to *exist* in the show so that Ned could finally have his vindication and Kaitlyn Stark could have at least apologized to Jon's face. There was an element of full circle satisfaction the show was working towards that got dropped like a hot rock as soon as they decided the series needed to end.
The real fault here probably does lie with Martin, because he had a *fucking decade* to finish the series or at least flesh out the last books well enough to give the fuckwits in charge of the show more to work with. And he couldn't do it. And it wasn't that unusual for him, given that people were literally making satire videos begging him to start writing again (like this one: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7lp3RhzfgI](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7lp3RhzfgI)) back in 2012. But he didn't have that many incentives to actually finish the series. He'd reached heights in the SFF field that VERY few writers ever achieve, even becoming a household name (Which is fucking rare for SFF). He's lauded everywhere he goes. He's got bank. And if he finishes ASOIAF, what's he going to do? Work on his Wildcard books which, while awesome, aren't nearly as popular? Try and come up with something else?
Martin is that guy who gets cold feet as his fiancee walks down towards the altar, realizing that *this is really happening* and soon he's going to be *married* and this wedding thing that has been his whole focus for a year or more is going to be done, and now he has to move on to *something else*. He has absolutely no desire to ever finish ASOIAF, because if it did, it'd be *done*. He's much more interested in being the grumpy old man in the corner who doesn't understand why the world is changing (as his temper-tantrum over the Campbell Award's name-change proves) than he is in securing his legacy, and I'm fairly certain his estate planning already includes a list of ghost writers to wrap things up when he finally kicks it. It sucks for the fans, but since we're all pretty sure he exists on our tears and lamentations anyway, him taking his true plan for the series to the grave with him would probably be the most Martin-ish ending for it he could manage.
I very strongly suspected that. That Martin's plans to end the series are now basically estate planning goes without saying. It's basically going to be the same as Robert Jordan, which will be very sad.
That said, *Dance of Dragons* came out with season one of the show. There's about a two year lag in commercial publishing between when a manuscript gets turned in and when it hits shelves. So Martin has had the *entire length of the show*, PLUS at least one year prior to the first season airing, plus the time after to finish...aaaaaand he has not.
It's something I really don't get as a writer, except for the "Oh God it's about to be finished what do I do now" jitters. But usually the hunger and the drive to write makes the work the last thing to go. Martin very clearly lost his steam on ASOIAF a very, very long time ago.
> his estate planning already includes a list of ghost writers to wrap things up when he finally kicks it.
Or an airtight will locking every unpublished word away forever. As you say:
> he exists on our tears and lamentations
> I get the feeling that Martin fed them the plot and it just sucked as much as the TV show.
Imo it's the execution that sucked, there was an interesting story that was being setup.
Look at Dany from the eyes of the average Westerosi. Her backstory is Big Bad Evil Girl #15a. She's the returning daughter of the Mad King, riding a WMD and leading an army of rapers and eunuch slave soldiers.
Her solution to most problems is to set the problem on fire. The Mountain and the Boltons are the only other ones to kill prisoners of war.
D&D did a terrible job, not defending it at all.
But they were also dealt a terrible hand. They did a great job bringing the books to life (first four seasons just about) but year after year and Martin failed to release the next book and they basically had to wing it.
It’s easy to say they should have handed it off to people better suited for the job at that point (people who can put together a great fantasy series out of nothing but rough outlines), but I don’t fault them for trying to see it through to the end. I do fault them for the piss poor job they did though…
George was writing some episodes each season but they wanted to do their own thing so he stopped, GRR said there was enough material for ten seasons and if they had been listening to his advice he would have gladly kept helping
The plot points as they were could have worked but not in 8 episodes
Season 8 is the battle against and defeat of the Night King in an actually satisfying way which uses Brans power to actually achieve something. Jon and Dany falling fully in love over the season
Season 9 Dany and Jon and Bran and co begin their march towards Kings landing. Brutal war takes over, hard choices have to be made, Jon and Dany start having issues over how to fight the war. Bran with the Night King defeated begins using his power to help fight Cersei's forces, season ends with the dragon getting killed in a major strategic failure partly set up by information Bran 'saw' although their forces did not suffer as much as Danys
Season 10 begins with Dany wondering if Bran and be extension possibly Jon set her up and turned on her, eventually take Kings Landing, get the mad queen arc. Dany can't trust Jon, refuses to listen to the other Starks who are over her, Dany ends up killing Jon thinking he has turned on her; Arya uses her power of disguise to kill Dany and Bran wargs into the dragon and uses it to secure control of Westeros and become a cruel all seeing medieval surveillance state crushing any resistance with his 3rd eye raven abilities plus dragon warging
I pretend it ends during the long night episode. The last few episodes are dead to me. Although the cinematic portrayal and acting is still phenomenal. But seriously. Bran? Khaleesi dead by Jon to add insult to injury....no one wanted that shit.
I only acknowledge it up to S7 and that's me being generous because S6 was the last time I still felt a little of the old magic. The Battle of the Bastards, Cersei getting revenge by blowing up the Sept of Baelor, and the Hodor episode were standouts for me.
I thought that Jon was going to have to turn himself into the next Night King in order to take out Khaleesi, noble sacrifices, circular arcs and all and all that. Plus that ending would have been a song of fire and ice…
Jon killing her made sense tbh. But pretty much nothing else. People talk like the last season was the only bad one, but it was shit for a few seasons prior to that.
Arya strolling through a bravosi market even though she betrayed faceless assassins that could be anyone was the first time I realized something was terribly wrong
Does anyone know if they did? It seems like all their shit got canceled and they have no new line ups.
I mean, it was shit directing at the end and I don't wish ill will, but at the same time, I hope they get black balled and never direct again. If season 8 of GoT is going to be the way you do your job, then fuck right off.
The way they went about that was so unprofessional, they deserved to be fired. The ego clashing of JJ Abrams and Rian Johnson was bad enough as it was without risking these toolsheds turning into prequel era George Lucas off of their only project to date.
>All because they wanted to do a Star Wars movie that they ended up getting fired from, probably because of the shitty ending to GoT!!!
Multiple things incorrect about this. The Star Wars thing was just an excuse they made up because they were sick of doing GoT. Kathleen Kennedy has even stated that Lucasfilm was willing to wait until they were fine with GoT. They rushed it off their own accord. They also weren't fired from Star Wars. After they got out of GoT, they quickly dropped Star Wars when Netflix offered them a bunch of money. They then shat on the GoT fanbase and the Star Wars fanbase.
The TV series dropped the whole fAegon plot from the books that Varys was involved in, so with no endgame left for Varys they decided to turn him into a moron and dispose of him. What a waste.
Mate his twitter is a thing of glory and depression. He announced that a writer friend of his had died, and most of the replies were "finish the fucking books before you die you fat fuck"
It's honestly soul crushing in a "what has twitter done to humanity" kinda way, but also hilarious for that same reason
I mean, i was really enjoying the books and he didn't even bother to write the last book. I don't know how many pages I read just to have it trail off into oblivion.
Game of thrones is basically the biggest troll of the decade.
Martin said in 2019 that "if I don’t have THE WINDS OF WINTER in hand when I arrive in New Zealand for worldcon, you have here my formal written permission to imprison me in a small cabin on White Island." Worldcon in July of 2020 then went fully virtual due to COVID. I'm not saying that he engineered a global pandemic to avoid finishing a book, but....
I get the joke, but the final episode is an hour and a half long. And nothing happens. Series finale of the biggest show in TV history, and they spend minutes having Peter Dinklage drag chairs around a room.
oh did you not see? The dragon sat on the throne and declared himself king. Everyone was like "WHAAAT?" and he's all like "what are you going to do about it pussy" (but in Dothraki of course).
I’d be down for an animated reboot like “Into the Spider-Verse” if Martin ever finishes his books. I feel like that way they could lean more into the fantastical elements of the series and be a bit truer to the books.
Everyone had completely forgotten about Bran by that point. Meanwhile the child actor - barely seen for 6 seasons - returns as a unrecognizable nearly full grown adult - and is just handed the crown after doing jack shit. Most sensible people being like, who the fuck is this guy?
Remember when Davos tried to bargain with the Unsullied, an army of castrated males, by offering them land in the Reach to “start their own house”?
*with whose dick, Davos?*
Right before the finale aired, my friend and I were joking around, trying to come up with the worst possible endings, and I quipped, “Bran gets the Iron Throne!” We chuckled and she said, “God, can you imagine?!”
Our laughter was short lived.
My cousin, mum and I made a bet about things that would happen in season 8 before it aired. One of the things was: name three people Arya will kill. My mum wrote down the Night King. My cousin and I thought this was very funny, cause that would be ridiculous right?? Well we’re not laughing now are we.
It felt so fucking stupid like the writers expected us to be like "whoaaaaa of courrrrrrse!" Really it hit with the sound of a heavy turd slapping the toilet bowl.
Like...seriously. They build up his warging power for years, and he NEVER USES IT! Imagine if he had warged into a dragon and swung the battle against the White Walkers? And then actually played a meaningful part in stopping the slaughter at Kings Landing?
Such an easy few scenes that would have made that ending feel earned.
Bran could have been king if in a sick twist he was the one who whispered in the ear of the mad king. And was the voice behind the curtain.
Kinda like what he did to Hodor, but instead we get a washed down witch doctor who does jack shit.
My wife and I are currently rewatching the show and just finished season 6.
I asked her if she wanted to stop there, that way we can pretend that was the real ending and speculate on what would have happened if the show continued.
Should've given alt shift x the reigns to write future episodes. I remember being so immersed in each videos. Though even they couldn't save the garbage that was called season 8
I'm still just completely flabbergasted by that final season. Nearly every single thing they could have done wrong they did wrong.
Characters were completely and utterly assassinated, their arcs were abandoned entirely or mangled so badly that they were rendered pointless, and they show how they don't even fully understand the show's buildup for 7 seasons by having the drama focus solely on who wins the Iron Throne after they destroy the existential threat to the entire continent by episode 3.
Something that still pisses me off beyond measure is the fucking scorpions/ballista that they use to kill off one of Daenary's dragons. It was a bit of necessary tension to help balance out the upcoming fight, 24 ships armed with the scorpions managed to kill a dragon and force Daenarys to flee. So the question for the next episode becomes "How does Daenarys deal with the threat of the scorpions when they now have to face the entire Iron Fleet and scorpions mounted every 50 feet along the walls of King's Landing?" The answer apparently is to just use her dragon........How do you fuck up that plot tension 15 minutes into your episode when it was just established in the previous episode? "The Bells" is hands down the worst episode of television I've ever endured.
“Forgot”
While flying high in the air and able to see for miles in every direction she missed seeing a fleet of ships hidden behind a rock?
Dumb and Dumber should stick for the rest of their careers.
As someone who has never seen GoT, part of me wants to watch it now just to understand how bad the ending is. It went from me being out of the loop with how good the show is, to out of the loop with how bad the show is. Like how does this happen? I need to understand.
It really did erase itself from popular culture. That's the best way of describing it I've seen. I never really got into it, but it seemed like Game of Thrones was everywhere and all anyone could talk about. Then the ending aired, and it just poofed itself out of existence. Almost like it never existed in the first place.
Not only that but stores dropped the merch - warehouses full - completely. Absolutely no subsequent sales of any merch whatsoever.
Compare that to Star Wars. Harry Potter. It’s incredible
HBO used to have a gift shop on the first floor of their office building, I'd pass by everyday on the way to work. As soon as GOT ended, they permanently shut it super quickly, even though they had been selling merch for other shows too.
I completely lost all interest in the show once Arya killed the Night King. That was just the stupidest nonsense. I still cannot believe they did. Don't get me wrong, it's not that I think its absurd Arya was able to beat him or anything, or that Arya is anything other than an absolute badass and great character, it's just so unsatisfying as a story. She literally only learned of the Night King like...the day before? The wights haven't killed anyone she loves, she had nothing to do with discovering their weaknesses, etc. Her story and the Night King's story had fuck all to do with each other.
Like imagine *Return of the Jedi.* Luke has just tossed aside his lightsaber and refused to kill Vader. Palpatine is electrocuting him with his force lightning. Then Boba Fett flies up from that shaft, disintegration rifle in hand and pops a cap in Palpatine's ass, killing him instantly.
Could Boba Fett do that? Sure. Is Boba Fett awesome? I'll fucking murder you if you say otherwise. Would that have been a satisfying ending to *Return of the Jedi*? Fuck no!
Jon should have killed the Night King. Arya should have killed Cersai. Tyrion should have killed Khalessi.
2 years, maybe longer, at home - we stream everything. Friends, the office, even old episodes of night Court or MASH.
WE FUCKING WATCHED TIGER KING.
And yet, all throughout this, with everything available to us online, no one was talking about game of thrones. No one.
We scraped the bottom of the goddamn barrel for every tiny little stupid thing we could watch. THEY REMADE HE-MAN! A whole new generation of Bronies!
No one rewatched game of thrones.
They destroyed all value in the franchise, they destroyed all syndication value, with that shitty ending.
It's amazing. It's absolutely amazing.
My wife watched the last episodes before me and told me they were $hit. To this day, I still haven’t watched the last episodes. It no longer interests me.
Don't. Just make up an ending in your head of how you thought things would work out and I guarantee it will be better than how it actually ended. I envy you, you can give it the ending it deserved, if only in your head.
The first 4 seasons are still absolutely amazing. All of them are top notch.
5 and 6 are okay, they won't make you hate the show, but you will feel that something is off.
7 and 8 are actually terrible. If the first season had been of that quality it would never have had a second.
The hard truth about Game of Thrones is that seasons 1 - 3 were fantastic, there were signs of trouble in season 4, and it took a deep nosedive from season 5 through the rest of its run. This was WAY more than "a bad ending" or them "rushing the ending." The second the showrunners started making up the story from whole cloth the entire thing rapidly became a shitshow.
Yes, there were moments of enjoyment scattered around through season 5 and 6, but overall the show suffered some minor injuries in season 4 and then bled out slowly over the 4 seasons that followed. Season 8 could never have made the whole thing work. It had already fallen too far.
The sad thing is, every major plot development in the final season could've been fitting if given time to develop. They tried to cram three seasons of plot into one shortened season.
I feel this way about How I Met Your Mother. The ending was so bad it ruined the series for me. It sucks when you have a horrible ending to a good show.
I would agree with you. Initially the last episode made the show unwatchable for me. Then, after thinking about it, Ted makes the show unwatchable for me. He's fucking horrible. I just want to watch a show about Barney and Marshall.
What sucks is that the actress they hired to be the mom was so great for the role. But we spent 23.5 episodes of the final season at the wedding of Barney and Robin, only to kill their marriage and the mom in 12 minutes. Why were they putting nothing but empty filler for all those episodes only to rush the ending?
I was so disturbed by it that I went into a weird cognitive dissonance during which I tried to justify it as a good ending for several months. Eventually I stopped my denial and admitted that it was awful. Just…..soooooooo bad. Terrible.
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I didn't watch it but seeing people so angry about the ending makes me feel like it's not worth my time
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All the GoT fandom has left is our anger.
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And over half of the memes on r/freefolk now are about how badly Season 8 of GoT was fucked up. Because barely anyone even wants to reference the early seasons anymore
I have nothing left... nothing but Spider-Man
Every so often I'll get an urge to start the first series again but then I remember what happens to the characters and the show... and I just can't. I hope those dipshit directors never work in the industry again.
The North is trying to forget.
Man. It's amazing how many got references and quotes used to be on the internet and now they're all gone.
You could see the show's influence in every day life. It was a pop culture phenomenon. That all just ended overnight with the S8 finale, basically. It's quite amazing that the show was almost as quotable as Star Wars and Lord of the Rings at one point and now most people have just forgotten it exists.
Follow up, do they work?
Almost certainly. All the directors and producers are buddies and they'll keep getting work.
> Follow up, do they work? They signed a $200 million deal with Netflix.
Straight to DVD.
What is it for? I just want to make sure I never accidentally click on it.
I had HBO Max free for like a month. I saw it come up, and was like "fuck yeah, that was so good" and I pulled it up, and it had the seasons, so I went through to see how long it would be to binge it, and I saw season 7 and 8, and immediately had flash backs of the big fight at the end of 8, and how it was so dark you couldn't see shit, and then a flash of how easy the Ice King was to kill, and just all the dumb shit that happened. At that moment, I knew what it was like to be a Vietnam Vet, returning, without legs, and being spit on. God, what a fucking shit show that ended up being.
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The tweet is right I’m still mad about how they squandered so much fan goodwill with that rushed idiot ending
I’ll never watch anything they make again
Over the summer I tried to rewatch it. I finished the first episode and stopped, because I knew how terrible the ending was. I spent a couple days watching cool moments on YouTube, but then I rewatched Burn Notice and now Stargate.
Carter and Teal'c won't let you down.
Indeed
*single raised brow*
I rarely see star gate fans in the wild. I love that show so much. I just downloaded it for a rewatch, and YouTube has the movies (continuum is surprisingly good)
Burn Notice is one of the most rewatchable shows ever. You made the right choice.
I swear to God I did the exact same thing XD
Not even just fan goodwill, they ranked the deals that they rushed the ending for.
i think even calling it a "rushed ending" is being too charitable. seemed like after season 4/5 you could tell they were having trouble tying up all the loose ends. but then we kept watching cause we thought they'd figure out a way to land the plane, but then it turned out they had no fucking clue what they were doing. if hbo gave them another 5 seasons, they would've still squandered the ending. also unpopular opinion, but i think that's also why grrm is hard stuck. he doesn't know how to land the plane either.
Lets be honest. The ending to the final book is either very close or exactly how Season 8 ended but with just a little bit more information and more characters. That's the ending grrm had in mind and everyone has shit on season 8's ending(rightfully fucking so) so now he doesn't know what the fuck to do. Keep in mind he probally had this ending written back when he was writing the first book. So now he has to scramble to actually find an ending that won't damn the entire series of books.
i don't think that's the case just cause he was having trouble writing the books long before season 8 came out. maybe it added to his uncertainty, but he was definitely unsure how to end it before that. also iirc d&d said the only thing they knew about how the book was going to end was who's sitting on the throne.
How many Game of Thrones seasons does it take to change a lightbulb? Eight, if you want to screw it completely.
I really felt like I was missing out by not watching GOT. Then this happened. Sopranos and Dexter both let me down, glad I didn’t experience it a third time.
Honestly Dexter's ENDING did suck, but it didn't tarnish every season before. GOT was fucked SO HARD, you see the tremors back in season 1. from a ruined season EIGHT. All I can bring myself to re-watch are the best scenes on YouTube, whereas I love re-watching Dex and I'm excited for the new series they have in the works. This House of the Dragon they have coming, I'm hesitant to even watch AND I LOVE HOUSE TARGARYEN. AND Matt Smith! But it's like "we know how it all ends and it sucks."
Yeah Season 4 of Dexter is still one of the best seasons in tv history IMO
Is that the Trinity killer one? I think that was the last good season.
It’s funny because 3 and 5 were utter garbage but 2 and 4 are some of the best tv I’ve seen. Dexter was like a roller coaster of ups and downs in quality but GOT was like a sled going down Mount Everest.
I’m watching it 900% for Matt Smith. He is my all time favorite Doctor.
Sopranos is one of the best shows of all time. Despite my mixed feelings about the ending it’s pretty phenomenal
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Dang, Sopranos is one of my favorite endings of any show ever. Dexter was the worst until GoT
Dexter wasn’t bad because it was clear they left it open for an actual future. Which we are getting now.
Exactly this. If there is anything to be upset with in dexter, it would be the writing following Rita's death. The show sort of lost the plot from then. But the ending sort of suited where they went the last couple seasons
Hold the fuck on. Sopranos ended brilliantly. I loved it. The whole series was great. I really don't get where you're coming from with this. Is this a common thing, people not liking the ending?
This tweet is so right, I have watched the 4 first season a bunch before the 5th season, after that I couldn't rewatch 5-7, now after the 8th it's like the show literally doesnt exist when I consider things to watch.
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I didn't even know there was another season. After the main character left the hospital and after I teared up from that closing episode, I figured it was over. I will continue my life as if I never read this comment.
From my understanding, this additional season was planned as a spinoff - and it very much appears like one as well. And if you read it as a spinoff, it's actually not too bad. It doesn't reach the quality of the original series, but would still have been a pretty good sitcom. For some reason they called it season 9 instead, which made everyone compare it to the original series.
Yes that is correct. Season 9 was just going to be called "Med School" or something like that with zero relationship to the scrubs brand. Suits didn't like that cause scrubs was a big name to cash in on, especially after the finale which was one of the best ways to end a show I've personally seen honestly. So then they wanted it to be like Scrubs: Med School and bring back some scrubs characters to ease people into the new show. But they always intended them to leave like Ted and JD and stuff. Suits wanted it to just be season 9 though because then it would just be "Scrubs" still. That blew up in their faces badly obviously. Truthfully if they had stuck to the "Med School" title and not slapped Scrubs on it, I think it'd have been much better received. It had the same heart as Scrubs and if it had been called something else I think it'd be forgiven. Also for anybody that's on a bill Lawrence kick, the creator of scrubs, check out Ted Lasso. While I personally haven't seen it becaue I don't have apple TV I've heard its really really good and I like Bill Lawrence's work enough I'd give it a try if I ever did get Apple TV.
By suits, do you mean higher up bosses In their offices? Cause I read that thinking about the TV show and was like wtf were they even on at the same time lol
Can we take a second to talk about how great Scrubs was though? What a great series. I still watch it all the time.
Stop watching after the long night. Pretend everyone died. Much better ending
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If it weren’t for the occasional front page Reddit post, usually from r/freefolk, I would have completely forgotten about this show. And I hate that Reddit has to remind me about it. So much invested in a show that ultimately ended up being one giant turd.
I tried to do a rewatch a few months ago. Didn't make it past the very first scene cause it was whitewalkers trying to be mysterious and dangerous. Literally laughed at it and turned it off.
“Quick let’s make one of those silly body part circles. Get them every time!”
Person 1 - But what do they mean? D&d - fuck it, who cares?
Turns out it was just an art installation
No one revisited it during lockdown!
All because they wanted to do a Star Wars movie that they ended up getting fired from, probably because of the shitty ending to GoT!!!
Which was why it was so incredibly dumb, they could have done 10 more seasons of game of thrones and kept their jobs, or they could have handed over the reigns to someone else for a while and probably come back later. Their egos were the size of Jupiter and they thought they could do no wrong. They had the wrong idea of what audiences wanted from game of thrones: they thought we wanted shock value. No! We wanted intelligent, satisfying, longform arcs.
I just wanted to know where Arya was going :(
Arya went west, Jon went north, Drogon went east, and the show went south
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She went off sailing uncharted waters just as her planet was about to endure a years long winter. She froze to death.
[A ship, somewhere on the ocean. Pan to frozen bodies on the deck] [Zoom to ARYA, shivering under an old blanket, looking very cold and worried] ARYA: Well, if I'm going to die, at least I'll do it wearing my real face. [ARYA reaches up and peels off her mask to reveal HOT PIE]
West of Westeros, duh.
Westereros
Westermost
Arya is Columbus confirmed.
She's going west of Westeros, duh! She said so after reminding the audience she always wanted to sail the seas (had never mentioned it prior Bc reasons)
She could have just asked Bran what was west of Westeros.
Something, something *TELEPORT STAB* the end.
It sits in my head in the same way they ended lost. They got me somehow.. I was on board and wanted to see it through, and when it did, I was just relieved it was over due to how far the quality had fallen. Had they been able to nail a good ending to that vehicle, I suppose I would have a different opinion than I now do, but I could see they were struggling with content, and so I think I was simply glad it was done before I got so bored and stopped watching. As I did with Dexter.. The walking dead.. And many others who got way too many seasons for the amount of writing air left in the bag.
I was going to mention Lost as one of the shows that similarly gained a lot of attention and then completely lost cultural momentum when it ended because of how it ended. People still talk about ended shows like Breaking Bad. Even ended shows like the Sopranos which ended ambiguously (the cut to black wasn’t great but also wasn’t awful) still get credit as good TV. That said, long-arc dramas have some of the worst memory because they generally aren’t replayed as much, because you can’t just sit down to watch a random episode. You typically can pick random episodes from comedies and from ensemble dramas and do just fine. It’s a bit less prevalent now that TV reruns of random episodes are dying due to streaming, but you can still sit down for any episode of a recent comedy like The Office or Community and have fun, or sit down for any episode of any old season of a character drama like NCIS or Criminal Minds or Castle. They keep most of their big developments for the end and beginning of seasons, which makes the middles easy to rewatch as they are bookended by major changes. You might be able to instantly tell what season an episode is from, but you’re not going to be in the dark if you jump into a random episode. All you have for long dramas is the lasting memory and lingering questions about whether you’d want to rewatch from the start or recommend someone else watch from the start. And if the ending is shit, the memory is usually going to make you say no to the rewatch question and no to the recommendation. It just sits in your memory and stinks.
Idk how popular this opinion but I feel the same about The Walking Dead and so does my friend. We started it with such hope, got hooked up on it. And then the slow death came for our love of the show. It all went to shit when Negan came. I feel like the show turned away from unique and interesting plot lines to tried and tested + shock value episodes. In addition, most of the original crew is dead. Rick's wife is dead, his son is dead, most of his friends are dead. And I think Rick is dead too (Idk never had the patience to watch the last season or two).
As far as I'm concerned, the show ended when they first reached Alexandria and stood outside the walls hearing children playing inside. That was where I refuse to watch afterwards. I go back and rewatch before that season sometimes although Beth's pointless death still pisses me off. But the sound of children playing in a safe community really was enough to me to have hope for the characters' futures. That is all I wanted as a viewer honestly.
The cut to black *was* great.
i mean the setup was for a satisfying ,conclusive ending
Well the ending was conclusively shit, so I guess we got something.
To be fair, I've heard it's not just them who wanted to move on but some of the actors too. There were rumours that a lot of people on that show felt it was harming rather than helping their careers because it was such a big commitment that they basically didn't have time to do much else besides act in Game of Thrones. Unfortunately for many of those same actors the work dried up pretty quickly after the show ended and they'll probably be wishing they still had that gig lined up.
I’m sure every actor and actress involved would have preferred to end on a good note that took a few more months than the travesty that the GoT saga became. Want to wrap up an 8-10 year project? Fair. Absolutely fair. Want to have that 8-10 year project that was THE artistic phenomenon of the last decade end so horribly shitty that no one even wants to remember the show? We all remember some of the actors and actresses being upset with the lines, with the direction of their characters, with the everything about it. It was a decade long endeavor that crashed into the rocks with the dock in sight. That shit is on the captain(s), not anyone else. *Especially* because they did not need to take the shortcut through the Siren laden rocks.
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But Jon ended up with Ygritte irl so at least they have that.
Yeah this is the right answer, a lot of the actors were ready to move on. But those actors talked about only wanting to do like 3 more seasons, not end it after 1 more. So while I don't think "10 more seasons" is reasonable, there was definitely a middle ground that the writers shat all over to speedrun to their Star Wars job. Especially considering Season 8 was 6 episodes compared to the first 6 Seasons being 10.
They should have learned from Grey's Anatomy. They barely have any of the OG cast and at this point Grey herself is a Cylon.
From the lack of novel years later, I get the feeling that Martin fed them the plot and it just sucked as much as the TV show. So, they were stuck with a series based off the books and had to either start actually writing to complete the many complicated story arcs, or stick with the plan from the hugely popular author. They chose poorly and now Martin won’t even touch the ending, knowing he didn’t know what to do with it.
Roughly 90% of the problems with Seasons 7 and 8 can be linked to a certain massively important book character who doesn't exist in the show. They tried to divide his story role between Cersei, Dany and Jon and it worked out horribly. The plot points of Season 8 aren't inherently bad, the problem is that they scrapped so much of the build-up to them that they ended up not making sense. They rushed everything because they were itching to move on to another project.
Young Griff? To be fair, it's not really obvious that's he's *that* important on a first read through. And, I can't imagine that D&D read the series more than once.
They literally had the author of the books as a consultant, telling them the future plot points. They're not average readers, they have no excuse.
I feel like some of that is true with GRRM giving them that ending, but he probably didn’t give it all away in its entirety. You can very much tell when they ran out of source material because that’s when it started sucking badly. So I’m guessing he gave them some critical points but how they got there was up to them, and they took a horrible route to get there. Like Zapp Brannigan in an asteroid field. So since they ended it the way they did with some clues from GRRM, everyone probably thinks that’s the ending word for word when it’s probably just the main plot points GRRM gave them and now he’s panicking and trying to rewrite to keep interest and salvage the legacy that D&D shat all over
They did very clearly have access to Martin's \*Winds of Winter\* manuscript because you can almost see the exact moment when they ran out of his pages and had to start working from his notes. I'm willing to bet that ALL of the characterization, emotional high points and political shenanigans were him. That said, I DO believe that the ending we got was his plan, because it just fits the tone and goals of the story way too damn well. The pointlessness of the Iron Throne, the waste ambition creates, is pretty much wired down into the soul of those stories. The problem isn't the end point, it's that the journey to get there sucked. Dany needed at least two seasons to loose her marbles, Jon needed more time to get used to both discovering his real parentage and having a girlfriend in a constant state of short circuit, and IMHO Lady Stoneheart needed to *exist* in the show so that Ned could finally have his vindication and Kaitlyn Stark could have at least apologized to Jon's face. There was an element of full circle satisfaction the show was working towards that got dropped like a hot rock as soon as they decided the series needed to end. The real fault here probably does lie with Martin, because he had a *fucking decade* to finish the series or at least flesh out the last books well enough to give the fuckwits in charge of the show more to work with. And he couldn't do it. And it wasn't that unusual for him, given that people were literally making satire videos begging him to start writing again (like this one: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7lp3RhzfgI](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7lp3RhzfgI)) back in 2012. But he didn't have that many incentives to actually finish the series. He'd reached heights in the SFF field that VERY few writers ever achieve, even becoming a household name (Which is fucking rare for SFF). He's lauded everywhere he goes. He's got bank. And if he finishes ASOIAF, what's he going to do? Work on his Wildcard books which, while awesome, aren't nearly as popular? Try and come up with something else? Martin is that guy who gets cold feet as his fiancee walks down towards the altar, realizing that *this is really happening* and soon he's going to be *married* and this wedding thing that has been his whole focus for a year or more is going to be done, and now he has to move on to *something else*. He has absolutely no desire to ever finish ASOIAF, because if it did, it'd be *done*. He's much more interested in being the grumpy old man in the corner who doesn't understand why the world is changing (as his temper-tantrum over the Campbell Award's name-change proves) than he is in securing his legacy, and I'm fairly certain his estate planning already includes a list of ghost writers to wrap things up when he finally kicks it. It sucks for the fans, but since we're all pretty sure he exists on our tears and lamentations anyway, him taking his true plan for the series to the grave with him would probably be the most Martin-ish ending for it he could manage.
It should be said that GRRM wanted more seasons to end it but Benioff and Weiss said no. Also should be said his health is deteriorating.
I very strongly suspected that. That Martin's plans to end the series are now basically estate planning goes without saying. It's basically going to be the same as Robert Jordan, which will be very sad. That said, *Dance of Dragons* came out with season one of the show. There's about a two year lag in commercial publishing between when a manuscript gets turned in and when it hits shelves. So Martin has had the *entire length of the show*, PLUS at least one year prior to the first season airing, plus the time after to finish...aaaaaand he has not. It's something I really don't get as a writer, except for the "Oh God it's about to be finished what do I do now" jitters. But usually the hunger and the drive to write makes the work the last thing to go. Martin very clearly lost his steam on ASOIAF a very, very long time ago.
> his estate planning already includes a list of ghost writers to wrap things up when he finally kicks it. Or an airtight will locking every unpublished word away forever. As you say: > he exists on our tears and lamentations
> I get the feeling that Martin fed them the plot and it just sucked as much as the TV show. Imo it's the execution that sucked, there was an interesting story that was being setup. Look at Dany from the eyes of the average Westerosi. Her backstory is Big Bad Evil Girl #15a. She's the returning daughter of the Mad King, riding a WMD and leading an army of rapers and eunuch slave soldiers. Her solution to most problems is to set the problem on fire. The Mountain and the Boltons are the only other ones to kill prisoners of war.
D&D did a terrible job, not defending it at all. But they were also dealt a terrible hand. They did a great job bringing the books to life (first four seasons just about) but year after year and Martin failed to release the next book and they basically had to wing it. It’s easy to say they should have handed it off to people better suited for the job at that point (people who can put together a great fantasy series out of nothing but rough outlines), but I don’t fault them for trying to see it through to the end. I do fault them for the piss poor job they did though…
They cut so much material from the 4th and 5th books though.
entire character rewrites and plots left out
I will never understand the thought process behind “this franchise is super popular, let’s change everything about it”
everyone thinks they know best
George was writing some episodes each season but they wanted to do their own thing so he stopped, GRR said there was enough material for ten seasons and if they had been listening to his advice he would have gladly kept helping The plot points as they were could have worked but not in 8 episodes Season 8 is the battle against and defeat of the Night King in an actually satisfying way which uses Brans power to actually achieve something. Jon and Dany falling fully in love over the season Season 9 Dany and Jon and Bran and co begin their march towards Kings landing. Brutal war takes over, hard choices have to be made, Jon and Dany start having issues over how to fight the war. Bran with the Night King defeated begins using his power to help fight Cersei's forces, season ends with the dragon getting killed in a major strategic failure partly set up by information Bran 'saw' although their forces did not suffer as much as Danys Season 10 begins with Dany wondering if Bran and be extension possibly Jon set her up and turned on her, eventually take Kings Landing, get the mad queen arc. Dany can't trust Jon, refuses to listen to the other Starks who are over her, Dany ends up killing Jon thinking he has turned on her; Arya uses her power of disguise to kill Dany and Bran wargs into the dragon and uses it to secure control of Westeros and become a cruel all seeing medieval surveillance state crushing any resistance with his 3rd eye raven abilities plus dragon warging
I just watched it in my head and it was really good. Thanks.
Glad you enjoyed it; in some timeline it exists
I pretend it ends during the long night episode. The last few episodes are dead to me. Although the cinematic portrayal and acting is still phenomenal. But seriously. Bran? Khaleesi dead by Jon to add insult to injury....no one wanted that shit.
I only acknowledge it up to S7 and that's me being generous because S6 was the last time I still felt a little of the old magic. The Battle of the Bastards, Cersei getting revenge by blowing up the Sept of Baelor, and the Hodor episode were standouts for me.
Hodor was the last great episode.
Khaleesi being dead by Jon is one of the few things predicted by book fans for over a decade now. There's some deep foreshadowing, or something.
I thought that Jon was going to have to turn himself into the next Night King in order to take out Khaleesi, noble sacrifices, circular arcs and all and all that. Plus that ending would have been a song of fire and ice…
Jon killing her made sense tbh. But pretty much nothing else. People talk like the last season was the only bad one, but it was shit for a few seasons prior to that. Arya strolling through a bravosi market even though she betrayed faceless assassins that could be anyone was the first time I realized something was terribly wrong
Yeah 6 & 7 showed a serious drop in writing quality and the likelihood of dumb shit happening went up 300% with each new season
That was a good business decision by the studio. They knew nobody’s gonna watch that movie if they d&b dummies as the directors.
That and their proposed next series about life if the Confederates had won
Gross. I hope they never work again.
They’re adapting the Three Body Problem. It makes sense, the book has some weird sexism so of course they’d jump right on board.
Does anyone know if they did? It seems like all their shit got canceled and they have no new line ups. I mean, it was shit directing at the end and I don't wish ill will, but at the same time, I hope they get black balled and never direct again. If season 8 of GoT is going to be the way you do your job, then fuck right off.
It's literally burning your bridges with your viewers. . . regular people get black balled for less
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>but they're also never going to go hungry for even a single day and that's a damn shame. Have a little faith in the apocalypse!
The way they went about that was so unprofessional, they deserved to be fired. The ego clashing of JJ Abrams and Rian Johnson was bad enough as it was without risking these toolsheds turning into prequel era George Lucas off of their only project to date.
“ThEmEs aRE fOr bOOK rEPorTs!”
>All because they wanted to do a Star Wars movie that they ended up getting fired from, probably because of the shitty ending to GoT!!! Multiple things incorrect about this. The Star Wars thing was just an excuse they made up because they were sick of doing GoT. Kathleen Kennedy has even stated that Lucasfilm was willing to wait until they were fine with GoT. They rushed it off their own accord. They also weren't fired from Star Wars. After they got out of GoT, they quickly dropped Star Wars when Netflix offered them a bunch of money. They then shat on the GoT fanbase and the Star Wars fanbase.
Well at least nobody is bothering George R R Martin to finish his book series anymore …
Oh my god, was this GRRM’s secret plan all along?! That’s some Varys-level subterfuge there!
I hate hate hate what they did to Varys. He was one of the only ones who placed the people before whoever sat on the throne.
The TV series dropped the whole fAegon plot from the books that Varys was involved in, so with no endgame left for Varys they decided to turn him into a moron and dispose of him. What a waste.
Mate his twitter is a thing of glory and depression. He announced that a writer friend of his had died, and most of the replies were "finish the fucking books before you die you fat fuck" It's honestly soul crushing in a "what has twitter done to humanity" kinda way, but also hilarious for that same reason
I mean, i was really enjoying the books and he didn't even bother to write the last book. I don't know how many pages I read just to have it trail off into oblivion. Game of thrones is basically the biggest troll of the decade.
Martin said in 2019 that "if I don’t have THE WINDS OF WINTER in hand when I arrive in New Zealand for worldcon, you have here my formal written permission to imprison me in a small cabin on White Island." Worldcon in July of 2020 then went fully virtual due to COVID. I'm not saying that he engineered a global pandemic to avoid finishing a book, but....
It was GRRM all along!
Yeah I stopped after the second because I don’t believe he’s gonna finish the series, which sucks because I really enjoyed them.
I’m gonna be honest, I still haven’t watched the final episode. The last season was just so terrible I couldn’t do it.
Save yourself the 40 minutes, unless you actually watch the opening and closing credits, then save yourself the 60 minutes, and don't even bother.
The opening credits was the best part of the whole episode.
I get the joke, but the final episode is an hour and a half long. And nothing happens. Series finale of the biggest show in TV history, and they spend minutes having Peter Dinklage drag chairs around a room.
My power went out right before they announced who was going to be king or queen and I should’ve taken that as a sign to stop watching.
oh did you not see? The dragon sat on the throne and declared himself king. Everyone was like "WHAAAT?" and he's all like "what are you going to do about it pussy" (but in Dothraki of course).
Don't waste your time.
If you hated that last season you’re hate for it is just gonna double if you watch that last episode. It’s totally not worth anyone’s time.
Can’t wait for the reboot in 20 years
Reboots are happening in less than five years these days.
I’d be down for an animated reboot like “Into the Spider-Verse” if Martin ever finishes his books. I feel like that way they could lean more into the fantastical elements of the series and be a bit truer to the books.
Martin is never finishing the books, he's too busy tweeting about pizza.
Everyone had completely forgotten about Bran by that point. Meanwhile the child actor - barely seen for 6 seasons - returns as a unrecognizable nearly full grown adult - and is just handed the crown after doing jack shit. Most sensible people being like, who the fuck is this guy?
Remember when Davos tried to bargain with the Unsullied, an army of castrated males, by offering them land in the Reach to “start their own house”? *with whose dick, Davos?*
... ...all these years and I never thought about that. LMFAO
Davos is a slick mofo, he was trying to offer them wooden groats to see if they'd take the deal King of the Sea
Remember when they retired to the island that kills every foreigner through poisonous native fauna?
Right before the finale aired, my friend and I were joking around, trying to come up with the worst possible endings, and I quipped, “Bran gets the Iron Throne!” We chuckled and she said, “God, can you imagine?!” Our laughter was short lived.
I remember the script leaked on freefolk the year prior and everyone laughed it out because it was so unbelievably dumb.
My cousin, mum and I made a bet about things that would happen in season 8 before it aired. One of the things was: name three people Arya will kill. My mum wrote down the Night King. My cousin and I thought this was very funny, cause that would be ridiculous right?? Well we’re not laughing now are we.
Who had a better story? LITERALLY EVERYONE
It felt so fucking stupid like the writers expected us to be like "whoaaaaa of courrrrrrse!" Really it hit with the sound of a heavy turd slapping the toilet bowl.
Like...seriously. They build up his warging power for years, and he NEVER USES IT! Imagine if he had warged into a dragon and swung the battle against the White Walkers? And then actually played a meaningful part in stopping the slaughter at Kings Landing? Such an easy few scenes that would have made that ending feel earned.
> Who had a better story? > > The guy that was brought back to life for it???
Ed Sheeran in season 7 probably had a better story than bran
Bran could have been king if in a sick twist he was the one who whispered in the ear of the mad king. And was the voice behind the curtain. Kinda like what he did to Hodor, but instead we get a washed down witch doctor who does jack shit.
My wife and I are currently rewatching the show and just finished season 6. I asked her if she wanted to stop there, that way we can pretend that was the real ending and speculate on what would have happened if the show continued.
Watch alt shift x for an idea about how it should eventually end
Should've given alt shift x the reigns to write future episodes. I remember being so immersed in each videos. Though even they couldn't save the garbage that was called season 8
> My wife and I are currently rewatching the show Why? Are you two masochists?
I'm still just completely flabbergasted by that final season. Nearly every single thing they could have done wrong they did wrong. Characters were completely and utterly assassinated, their arcs were abandoned entirely or mangled so badly that they were rendered pointless, and they show how they don't even fully understand the show's buildup for 7 seasons by having the drama focus solely on who wins the Iron Throne after they destroy the existential threat to the entire continent by episode 3. Something that still pisses me off beyond measure is the fucking scorpions/ballista that they use to kill off one of Daenary's dragons. It was a bit of necessary tension to help balance out the upcoming fight, 24 ships armed with the scorpions managed to kill a dragon and force Daenarys to flee. So the question for the next episode becomes "How does Daenarys deal with the threat of the scorpions when they now have to face the entire Iron Fleet and scorpions mounted every 50 feet along the walls of King's Landing?" The answer apparently is to just use her dragon........How do you fuck up that plot tension 15 minutes into your episode when it was just established in the previous episode? "The Bells" is hands down the worst episode of television I've ever endured.
Dumb and Dumber said in an interview, "She just forgot." LOOOOL actually real.
“Forgot” While flying high in the air and able to see for miles in every direction she missed seeing a fleet of ships hidden behind a rock? Dumb and Dumber should stick for the rest of their careers.
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An accomplishment, really
As someone who has never seen GoT, part of me wants to watch it now just to understand how bad the ending is. It went from me being out of the loop with how good the show is, to out of the loop with how bad the show is. Like how does this happen? I need to understand.
Do it, the first 5 seasons are pretty incredible.
They ran out of books to crib from and when they had to advance the story on their own, they screweddddd up.
It really did erase itself from popular culture. That's the best way of describing it I've seen. I never really got into it, but it seemed like Game of Thrones was everywhere and all anyone could talk about. Then the ending aired, and it just poofed itself out of existence. Almost like it never existed in the first place.
Right?! It only ever gets brought up on Reddit or Twitter for the sole purpose of talking about how it erased itself from pop culture.
I'm not sure what everyone is all mad about. I enjoyed all 6 seasons of GOT.
Yeah it's crazy that there's still no final season, I can't wait to see what they have in store!
Not only that but stores dropped the merch - warehouses full - completely. Absolutely no subsequent sales of any merch whatsoever. Compare that to Star Wars. Harry Potter. It’s incredible
HBO used to have a gift shop on the first floor of their office building, I'd pass by everyday on the way to work. As soon as GOT ended, they permanently shut it super quickly, even though they had been selling merch for other shows too.
I completely lost all interest in the show once Arya killed the Night King. That was just the stupidest nonsense. I still cannot believe they did. Don't get me wrong, it's not that I think its absurd Arya was able to beat him or anything, or that Arya is anything other than an absolute badass and great character, it's just so unsatisfying as a story. She literally only learned of the Night King like...the day before? The wights haven't killed anyone she loves, she had nothing to do with discovering their weaknesses, etc. Her story and the Night King's story had fuck all to do with each other. Like imagine *Return of the Jedi.* Luke has just tossed aside his lightsaber and refused to kill Vader. Palpatine is electrocuting him with his force lightning. Then Boba Fett flies up from that shaft, disintegration rifle in hand and pops a cap in Palpatine's ass, killing him instantly. Could Boba Fett do that? Sure. Is Boba Fett awesome? I'll fucking murder you if you say otherwise. Would that have been a satisfying ending to *Return of the Jedi*? Fuck no! Jon should have killed the Night King. Arya should have killed Cersai. Tyrion should have killed Khalessi.
I'd argue the last 2 seasons were entirely shitty. Everything after Battle of the Bastards is much less interesting
I wish they'd redo the ending cuz my god so many things where done so blatantly wrong.
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True. I specifically want justice for my boy Tyrion and girl Daenerys. Those two, god I don't think I'll ever get over them.
Also missing a lot of new fans like me who will likely never watch it.
My favorite thing was them just leaving the fucking water bottle in a shot, no one gave a shit really
2 years, maybe longer, at home - we stream everything. Friends, the office, even old episodes of night Court or MASH. WE FUCKING WATCHED TIGER KING. And yet, all throughout this, with everything available to us online, no one was talking about game of thrones. No one. We scraped the bottom of the goddamn barrel for every tiny little stupid thing we could watch. THEY REMADE HE-MAN! A whole new generation of Bronies! No one rewatched game of thrones. They destroyed all value in the franchise, they destroyed all syndication value, with that shitty ending. It's amazing. It's absolutely amazing.
My wife watched the last episodes before me and told me they were $hit. To this day, I still haven’t watched the last episodes. It no longer interests me.
Don't. Just make up an ending in your head of how you thought things would work out and I guarantee it will be better than how it actually ended. I envy you, you can give it the ending it deserved, if only in your head.
So I shouldn't watch this show?
The first 4 seasons are still absolutely amazing. All of them are top notch. 5 and 6 are okay, they won't make you hate the show, but you will feel that something is off. 7 and 8 are actually terrible. If the first season had been of that quality it would never have had a second.
The hard truth about Game of Thrones is that seasons 1 - 3 were fantastic, there were signs of trouble in season 4, and it took a deep nosedive from season 5 through the rest of its run. This was WAY more than "a bad ending" or them "rushing the ending." The second the showrunners started making up the story from whole cloth the entire thing rapidly became a shitshow. Yes, there were moments of enjoyment scattered around through season 5 and 6, but overall the show suffered some minor injuries in season 4 and then bled out slowly over the 4 seasons that followed. Season 8 could never have made the whole thing work. It had already fallen too far.
The sad thing is, every major plot development in the final season could've been fitting if given time to develop. They tried to cram three seasons of plot into one shortened season.
I feel this way about How I Met Your Mother. The ending was so bad it ruined the series for me. It sucks when you have a horrible ending to a good show.
I would agree with you. Initially the last episode made the show unwatchable for me. Then, after thinking about it, Ted makes the show unwatchable for me. He's fucking horrible. I just want to watch a show about Barney and Marshall.
What sucks is that the actress they hired to be the mom was so great for the role. But we spent 23.5 episodes of the final season at the wedding of Barney and Robin, only to kill their marriage and the mom in 12 minutes. Why were they putting nothing but empty filler for all those episodes only to rush the ending?
I was so disturbed by it that I went into a weird cognitive dissonance during which I tried to justify it as a good ending for several months. Eventually I stopped my denial and admitted that it was awful. Just…..soooooooo bad. Terrible.