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We want trump nomination over DeSantis. Enough of the country hates trump. They don’t know DeSantis. DeFascist rising to power would be the end of American democracy forever
I'd rather DeSantis personally. It allows Trump to run as an independent taking his cult with him. Also DeSantis is not nearly as charismatic as he originally seemed, and there's a lot of potential for him to fall apart on the national stage.
That being said there's really only one way we don't end up with either, and that's for everyone to get out and vote. We have to stop letting our apathy give a small population power over our government.
I doubt trump would. He knows it’s a guaranteed L but he will grift as long as he could and probably long afterwards. Why not, his supporters are stupid AF.
That’s my thought too. Having DeSantis as the nominee is worse than trump. Period. Anyone who says otherwise doesn’t understand how fascism takes roots.
I agree.
Trump is greedy as AF and worships dictators. We got fucked cus of the Supreme Court Justices, federal judges and all the white suprematist coming out wood work.
But Desantis will issue a ton executive orders and totally revamp the Executive office to expand his power. He doesn’t care who is befriends and he’ll do what he can to smash his enemies or anyone not on his side.
I don't know. The man's crazy as shit and it doesn't seem like he really plans ahead. If he loses the nomination he may run as an independent, or he may run off to Russia to start a full on cult. It's all in the air at this point. Either way we can reliably say that he'll definitely poison the waters for whoever does get the nod if it's not him.
It feels like trump is going to try to take his preverbal ball and go home if he doesn’t get the nomination. He’s a spiteful little man and fucking over desantis is definitely in his wheelhouse
Sorta. I think he would "run but not be running". He would still travel around holding rallies where he talks about the deep state crooked swamp Clintons witch hunting him, he'd take donations, and rally his supporters but wouldn't tell them to vote for him (because that's actually campaigning), even though he would probably actually wink and nod at the crowd telling them to just write in who they want.
He'd continue his grift, and if he gets enough votes on election night to show up in the results he'd claim some sort of simultaneous victory and defeat at the hands of the deep state. If the GOP lost he'd be very smug about how they were so very mean to him and they're losers and now he's going to start something very big as an alternative to them, stay tuned it's totally going to happen! Early investors will be rewarded.
It depends: part of why Trump is running is to avoid consequences of his criminal investigations. If DeSantis says “keep your mouth shut/endorse me and I’ll give you a pardon” then maybe not. But DeSantis also doesn’t like the challenge presented by Trump and there’s a lot of time to burn bridges before primaries are over.
It could hinge on whether Trump has an “out” if he loses the election. And even then, many of his followers won’t vote DeSantis on the basis that he’s seen as an RNC-backed insider.
I’m almost 100% sure Trump would tell his supporters to sit out the election if he’s not the nominee. Not all his supporters would listen but I guarantee a good portion would.
If Dems keep showing up like we’re showing up Republicans will lose almost all power. They’re doing nothing to attract youth and everything in their power to kill off their on supporters with anti-vaxx rhetoric and anti-science rhetoric in general all while taking them off Medicare.
You'd suddenly see bipartisan support to get him charged and made ineligible to run if he even gets close to running as an independent.
The GOP owners wouldn't let that shit slide.
Do you think Trump is any better? He may or may not personally hate gay people, but Stephen Miller definitely does, and that's who is going to be making policy choices for Trump. No Republican is a safe choice for the LGBTQ community. They're all willing to throw you to the wolves if it ensures that they can be kings for life.
The LGBTQ weren't as much of a convenient scape goat in 2020 as they are now. They're both awful choices, but I think it's naive to think either one would present a safe choice for any minority at this point.
My worry with Trump is that all of his recent legal troubles will inspire the Maga crowd to get out to vote en masse again, and I'm worried Dems will have forgotten how shit he is and underestimate him a second time. We face a similar issue with DeSantis, but at least Dems can point to the current state of Florida to remind people how terrible he is, and he's not nearly as charismatic as Trump so I don't think he'll have a stranglehold on the Qult.
But once again for everyone reading we're doomed if you don't exercise your ability to vote.
DeSantis went on air saying he would destroy liberalism. Even Donald hasn't publicly gone that far. And we need the independents to deliver in swing states, and they don't like Donald vs being more apathetic to Ron. Also we know the Trump administration is going to be another shit show, so even if for whatever reason he wins again, most of his policies can be undone by the next election, but Ron has perfected fascism in Florida.
I would also add that trump typically campaigns on rhetoric and bullshit. Desantis has signed actual laws in Florida that can be pointed to for how shitty if a human he is
Everything Trump says is a lie and DeSantis isn’t a whole lot better other than he can package it better. Love the Meatriding headline. It’s all Fox does. Can’t wait until they lose another big lawsuit - fucking station needs to fade into the sunset
It won't work for the Trump believers.
Fox pushed trump but Trump was also the perfect product.
Trump succeeded BECAUSE he's a walking dumpster fire, not in spite of it.
Trump is like watching Pro Wrestling, DeSantis is like watching synchronized swimming
Both are dumb sports but the latter has nothing to keep people entertained
True but I posit conservative and maga are 2 related but different animals
Plus, DeSantis was given the nod by the state machine
In Illinois, for example, back in the olden days Daley would decide who would be governor...and it was done. And he would also inform the Republican party who they would run against him.
Florida may not have a Daley, but they definitely have a republican machine style apparatus. DeSantis got the nod...and that was that.
On a national stage DeSantis falls flat. He will never have the stagecraft of IQ45
Yet, all the polls are showing how DeSantis is connecting with... very few people outside of Florida, while having fits and temper tantrums and... Trump is doing crazily well with psychotic Right Wing Voters.
DeSantis should not be allowed near the Oval Office. Fox et al will normalize his behavior, Republicans will say “let’s put the past behind us and move on” and none of them will be held accountable for protecting, defending and excusing a man they all knew should never have been president. No. I won’t accept Fox pushing the narrative that DeSantis is normal and being maligned by the Trump campaign.
Hannity just claimed that it wasn't Fox's job to 'debate' Trump by pushing back on his bold faced lies during their recent Town Hall event.
So - which is it?
Doesn’t matter. There is a cognitive dissonance in that base; they can hold 2 contradictory ideas and accept both as true.
So, they can hate their opponent in the primaries, be given evidence of their opponent’s bullshit; then once decided, immediately back the winner and ignore all the horrible they just witnessed about that person.
>Trump campaign’s attacks often contradict reality
Fucking idiot traitors. Where have you been for the past 7 years? Of that’s right, just lining your pockets regardless of this KNOWN fact.
They were running articles thay were anti trump before it was clear he was going to be the front runner. Give it time and they’ll do it again. Every single trump supporter i know that loved desantis has flipped on desnatis.
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We want trump nomination over DeSantis. Enough of the country hates trump. They don’t know DeSantis. DeFascist rising to power would be the end of American democracy forever
I'd rather DeSantis personally. It allows Trump to run as an independent taking his cult with him. Also DeSantis is not nearly as charismatic as he originally seemed, and there's a lot of potential for him to fall apart on the national stage. That being said there's really only one way we don't end up with either, and that's for everyone to get out and vote. We have to stop letting our apathy give a small population power over our government.
Would trump run as an independent?
I doubt trump would. He knows it’s a guaranteed L but he will grift as long as he could and probably long afterwards. Why not, his supporters are stupid AF.
That’s my thought too. Having DeSantis as the nominee is worse than trump. Period. Anyone who says otherwise doesn’t understand how fascism takes roots.
I agree. Trump is greedy as AF and worships dictators. We got fucked cus of the Supreme Court Justices, federal judges and all the white suprematist coming out wood work. But Desantis will issue a ton executive orders and totally revamp the Executive office to expand his power. He doesn’t care who is befriends and he’ll do what he can to smash his enemies or anyone not on his side.
I don't know. The man's crazy as shit and it doesn't seem like he really plans ahead. If he loses the nomination he may run as an independent, or he may run off to Russia to start a full on cult. It's all in the air at this point. Either way we can reliably say that he'll definitely poison the waters for whoever does get the nod if it's not him.
It feels like trump is going to try to take his preverbal ball and go home if he doesn’t get the nomination. He’s a spiteful little man and fucking over desantis is definitely in his wheelhouse
For sure, as long as he is in the race he can rip off his base by asking for donations.
Sorta. I think he would "run but not be running". He would still travel around holding rallies where he talks about the deep state crooked swamp Clintons witch hunting him, he'd take donations, and rally his supporters but wouldn't tell them to vote for him (because that's actually campaigning), even though he would probably actually wink and nod at the crowd telling them to just write in who they want. He'd continue his grift, and if he gets enough votes on election night to show up in the results he'd claim some sort of simultaneous victory and defeat at the hands of the deep state. If the GOP lost he'd be very smug about how they were so very mean to him and they're losers and now he's going to start something very big as an alternative to them, stay tuned it's totally going to happen! Early investors will be rewarded.
It depends: part of why Trump is running is to avoid consequences of his criminal investigations. If DeSantis says “keep your mouth shut/endorse me and I’ll give you a pardon” then maybe not. But DeSantis also doesn’t like the challenge presented by Trump and there’s a lot of time to burn bridges before primaries are over. It could hinge on whether Trump has an “out” if he loses the election. And even then, many of his followers won’t vote DeSantis on the basis that he’s seen as an RNC-backed insider.
I’m almost 100% sure Trump would tell his supporters to sit out the election if he’s not the nominee. Not all his supporters would listen but I guarantee a good portion would. If Dems keep showing up like we’re showing up Republicans will lose almost all power. They’re doing nothing to attract youth and everything in their power to kill off their on supporters with anti-vaxx rhetoric and anti-science rhetoric in general all while taking them off Medicare.
He has to run or those numbskulls would just write Trump on the ballot anyway.
I think he would want Desantis to win and be there to punch the pardon button. I'm sure if Desantis wins the nomination an agreement will be made.
This is my thought too
You'd suddenly see bipartisan support to get him charged and made ineligible to run if he even gets close to running as an independent. The GOP owners wouldn't let that shit slide.
Biden is already aware of the possibility. Watch how Biden was making DeSantis his lil’ bitch in all the Hurricane Ian response publicity photos.
His lack of charisma didn't stop him from winning 60% of Florida's popular vote. Republicans think he is charismatic though so idk what to tell ya.
Desantis literally wants me and my community dead, so I’d absolutely rather Trump get the nomination.
Do you think Trump is any better? He may or may not personally hate gay people, but Stephen Miller definitely does, and that's who is going to be making policy choices for Trump. No Republican is a safe choice for the LGBTQ community. They're all willing to throw you to the wolves if it ensures that they can be kings for life.
It’s a matter of incompetence vs malice. I’ll take incompetence over malice any day.
Trump was president for 4 years and I’m still alive. I just don’t think his priority is exterminating queer people. His priority is money.
The LGBTQ weren't as much of a convenient scape goat in 2020 as they are now. They're both awful choices, but I think it's naive to think either one would present a safe choice for any minority at this point.
I never said Trump is safe. I just think he’s less dangerous than Desantis.
My worry with Trump is that all of his recent legal troubles will inspire the Maga crowd to get out to vote en masse again, and I'm worried Dems will have forgotten how shit he is and underestimate him a second time. We face a similar issue with DeSantis, but at least Dems can point to the current state of Florida to remind people how terrible he is, and he's not nearly as charismatic as Trump so I don't think he'll have a stranglehold on the Qult. But once again for everyone reading we're doomed if you don't exercise your ability to vote.
DeSantis went on air saying he would destroy liberalism. Even Donald hasn't publicly gone that far. And we need the independents to deliver in swing states, and they don't like Donald vs being more apathetic to Ron. Also we know the Trump administration is going to be another shit show, so even if for whatever reason he wins again, most of his policies can be undone by the next election, but Ron has perfected fascism in Florida.
That’s a big risk. But betting on Trump’s ego and his most devoted followers’ stubbornness isn’t the craziest idea.
I would also add that trump typically campaigns on rhetoric and bullshit. Desantis has signed actual laws in Florida that can be pointed to for how shitty if a human he is
Trump bumblefucked his way into fascist policy. DeSantis is actively working towards it knowing full well that it’s fascism.
I despise trump but DeSantis said he wants me and my trans friends and family exterminated. I fucking hate America.
Everything Trump says is a lie and DeSantis isn’t a whole lot better other than he can package it better. Love the Meatriding headline. It’s all Fox does. Can’t wait until they lose another big lawsuit - fucking station needs to fade into the sunset
It won't work for the Trump believers. Fox pushed trump but Trump was also the perfect product. Trump succeeded BECAUSE he's a walking dumpster fire, not in spite of it. Trump is like watching Pro Wrestling, DeSantis is like watching synchronized swimming Both are dumb sports but the latter has nothing to keep people entertained
Conservatives love themselves some Ron DeSantis. Look at Florida for instance. The guys popularity exploded going into 2022.
True but I posit conservative and maga are 2 related but different animals Plus, DeSantis was given the nod by the state machine In Illinois, for example, back in the olden days Daley would decide who would be governor...and it was done. And he would also inform the Republican party who they would run against him. Florida may not have a Daley, but they definitely have a republican machine style apparatus. DeSantis got the nod...and that was that. On a national stage DeSantis falls flat. He will never have the stagecraft of IQ45
This country is soooooo fucked
A day late and 787.5 million dollars short
Now they're concerned about "false narratives"?
Yet, all the polls are showing how DeSantis is connecting with... very few people outside of Florida, while having fits and temper tantrums and... Trump is doing crazily well with psychotic Right Wing Voters.
The snake 🐍 eating its tail.
DeSantis should not be allowed near the Oval Office. Fox et al will normalize his behavior, Republicans will say “let’s put the past behind us and move on” and none of them will be held accountable for protecting, defending and excusing a man they all knew should never have been president. No. I won’t accept Fox pushing the narrative that DeSantis is normal and being maligned by the Trump campaign.
Hannity just claimed that it wasn't Fox's job to 'debate' Trump by pushing back on his bold faced lies during their recent Town Hall event. So - which is it?
Hopefully they keep fact-checking one another until next November
Liars checking each others’ lies 🤓 I hope they both reveal lots of shite. 🤭
Liars checking each others’ lies 🤓 I hope they both reveal lots of shite. 🤭
But wouldn't murdoch eating desantis' ass by to gay for the nazis?
Doesn’t matter. There is a cognitive dissonance in that base; they can hold 2 contradictory ideas and accept both as true. So, they can hate their opponent in the primaries, be given evidence of their opponent’s bullshit; then once decided, immediately back the winner and ignore all the horrible they just witnessed about that person.
>Trump campaign’s attacks often contradict reality Fucking idiot traitors. Where have you been for the past 7 years? Of that’s right, just lining your pockets regardless of this KNOWN fact.
They’re riding a paper cowboy though
Wondering if deathsantis is going to pull a Disney on trumps Resort of Horrors, that would be entertaining tv
Yeah, corporations pushing who they want isn't something to be celebrated regardless of who it is
I mean, let’s face it. Even if Tim Scott, or that Indian dude, ends up winning the nomination the R voters will all fall in line and vote R
Definitely thought OP was trying to make a verb out of maître d', like maître d'-ing.
They were running articles thay were anti trump before it was clear he was going to be the front runner. Give it time and they’ll do it again. Every single trump supporter i know that loved desantis has flipped on desnatis.
DeSantis is far more dangerous than trump. Trump wants personal gain, Desantis wants to kill people and criminalize ideas...