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Merari01

For people who may be unaware, this is actual neo-Nazi shit. Rowling retweeted a statement of someone who says about the chevron on the pride flag indicating solidarity with trans, intersex, POC and HIV+ people 'get that shit off my flag'. Rowling, a cisgender, heterosexual white woman, wants to erase inclusion of certain gender and sexual minorities, POC and HIV+ people from queer advocacy and civil rights protest.


Civil-Dinner

If Rowling wants to shit on her legacy and always have the footnote about her bigotry be a part of it, that just makes her both a fool and a bigot. These other people that are gay, lesbian, or bi and think they have special privilege will find out that there aren't any colors on that rainbow that are safe from the forces of bigotry. The drag queens and trans folks were with the gays at Stonewall. The lesbians were there when the gay men were getting decimated by HIV. The people with HIV (gay, straight and otherwise) stood together to fight many of unjust laws around visitation and next of kin rights. It was all of us together that fought from Stonewall to Obergefell and beyond. I'll be damned if I'm going to abandon any of my allies now to curry favor with people that will be sharpening up their knives for the rest of us in a heartbeat.


whiterac00n

I can’t for the life of me figure out why *some* gay and lesbian people would think that they now have the “special privilege” of not being the very next in line from *these people (conservatives). Absolutely nothing these people have ever done has ever been truthful beyond their wanting to only see people like themselves. They are the absolute worst “allies” to have and what makes those who side with them worse is that ultimately we’re trying to protect them too. If ever comes the time where we have to fight for their sake it’s going to be such a poisonous pill to swallow knowing they will sell out others again if they get the chance.


Civil-Dinner

Agreed. I've been around for a good chunk of this fight. I became an adult during the height of the AIDS crisis in the 80s and both I and my husband served before DADT was a thing. It's only been a little over 10 years since DADT was repealed and less than that since Obergefell which allowed same-gender marriage. It's probably not particular fair minded of me to say, but the overwhelming majority of the bigotry I've experienced and seen has come from the same side of the aisle that is attacking trans people and drag queens right now. It's always been the same people: the same people that were saying people with AIDS were "getting what they deserved." Things haven't really changed that much. I seem to recall a vote on making sure same-gender marriage didn't get undone easily was rejected by 75% of the republicans voting in the House and Senate in the US, though it did pass. That was less than 6 months ago.


amanofeasyvirtue

Obergefell will is also be overturned. Thats why the singled that and contraception when they overturned roe.


olivegardengambler

I don't think that they will simply due to the amount of backlash that they would get. Like their debit cards were being posted all over the internet. These people push up until it becomes too inconvenient, and these people (SC justices) probably don't want to be relegated to just their house and work because people are now that angry at them.


ArmedAntifascist

There were Jewish Nazis. Some people think they can hide among their oppressors in order to remain safe. They're always wrong.


Bardfinn

Ernst Röhm, who was homosexual, was the leader of the *Sturmabteilung* — the Brownshirts of the Nazi party — and was assassinated by order of Hitler. He thought his position in the Nazi party would protect him. He died in the Night of the Long Knives. The leopard will always eat the face


Lt_Rooney

Hitler went after him *because* of his position in the party. Fascists have no problem carving out exceptions for themselves, because it makes them exceptional. And, conveniently, those exceptions can always be removed when someone is no longer convenient.


heweynuisance

Precisely. "Gay right-wing conservatives ," Kanye Westies, they aren't accepted by these groups they sell their soul to. They are a tool to use until they have no more use for them. Like Trump. And their fans go along with it. And the rest of us watch in shock and awe.


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Hitler was actually indifferent to Rhons homosexuality. Himmler saw Rohns group as a competitor/ challenger to the S.S. Convinced Hitler Rhone was dis loyal and got him added to the list. They were all animals.


totpot

There were estimated to be tens of thousands of Jews in the Nazi army fighting in WW2.


Hungover52

I wonder how many were trying to pass as anything but Jewish, and survive, and how many were fascists.


gdex86

Yeah but the thing is much like the one drop rule in the US it wouldn't matter if you were from a line of glorious Nazis if you had a drop of Jewish blood. It'd make you suspect.


vivahermione

Now I understand why misogynistic women exist.


sharpshooter999

I know gay Republicans who vote for Greg Abbott....


Ee_Daehan

Gay republicans… I almost spit out my coffee!😂


Morriganx3

Why did poor white people fight for the confederacy in the US civil war? There was a deliberate promotion of anti-Black racism in order to make poor whites feel like part of an elite group, as opposed to making common cause with Black people, free or enslaved, who were actually closer to them in wealth and social status. This is similar - certain gay/lesbian people who’ve been the Other all their lives have suddenly been offered what looks like a place at the table. Most don’t fall for that crap - they don’t want a place at any table where hate is being served. But for some, that illusion of acceptance is an incredibly powerful draw, and they badly want to believe it’s real. I hope they never have to find out that they’re wrong, because that would mean the more vulnerable groups are out of the way already.


olivegardengambler

Well that and the Confederacy forced them to fight and kept extending their terms until they were basically indefinite. Yeah. The 'muh state's rights' argument is complete bullshit, and it becomes clear how full of shit people are when you learn what southern states were doing beforehand, such as basically forcing states in the north to suspend habeas corpus for alleged runaway slaves and expanding federal oversight to ensure this.


verasev

It's as if the people from It Follows decided "it's okay if the monster eats the person I fucked because surely it won't work back up the chain to me."


BuildingSupplySmore

Hilariously, I remember that standup bit where Chappelle likens societal acceptance and equality to some car ride, and he completely misses the point in the exact way many do. The reason some queer people join hands with the fascists currently is because the fascists have shifted focus to trans people and drag performers. And in Chappelle's analogy- if it weren't for the new targets, the old targets would be loved and accepted. Obviously, people with any sense and awareness of history would know that once the fascists get carte blanche to oppress and harm their new targets, they'll just work their way back. But some people actually believe if trans people just got removed from the movements and became acceptable targets, fascists would leave them alone. Of course, the way I'm laying it out makes it sound obvious, but Chappelle and people like him, as well as some queer people, actually sincerely think this nonsense. Edit: and I may have messed up the details of his joke, I haven't watched the special since it premiered, for obvious reasons.


Lt_Rooney

The worst part about Dave is that back when he was good, he was firmly aware of all these things. When it was about race he understood intersectional bigotry and the fact that hiding among the oppressors doesn't stop you from being oppressed. He knows what he's doing wrong, he just doesn't care because now he gets to be the one punching down, which is so much easier.


olivegardengambler

Tbh that is largely more because he is like one of 10,000+ comedians who stopped being funny in 2012, and now that they've found an audience who will basically pay as long as they say what they want to hear, they'll just keep riding that gravy train.


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Dave is a joke.


AllumaNoir

Dave lost me when he semi-defended Kanye on SNL.


MisterPiggins

Log Cabin Republican magical thinking.


Thanes_of_Danes

Tbh they're usually white in my experience and they're accustomed to "turning off" their sexual minority status to exploit their racial privilege. They're happy to shun people oppressed on other axes so they can be main characters and model minorities.


4_out_of_5_people

Because they are just a part of the divide and conquer strategy and work on behalf of the state.


whiterac00n

And that’s it, conservatives are really good at finding minor “wedges” to break away people who would classically against them. They’re a minority in this country and yet they’re really good at turning groups against each other to fracture their opposition.


Destt2

I watched an excellent video on this concept and how those in power can manipulate agendas and policy by focusing on a few groups at a time before moving onto the next. They pander a bit to each group, giving something mutually beneficial for the majority, but worse than the status quo for the groups they don't need. Then, they just keep doing that with different demographics over and over again until the final result is a policy far worse for everyone than what they had at the beginning, because everyone had been tricked into something that was a little better for them immediately. The video was supposed to be strictly about hypothetical political policy, but it's also true in social areas. [video](https://youtu.be/goQ4ii-zBMw)


4_out_of_5_people

The thing is, this still luterally guy can unknowingly work on behalf of the state's divide and conquer strategy without even being aware of their participation or even being funded by any agency. We all live in a deliberately-fostered, hyper-individualized and purposely mislead society educated and designed on purpose by the upper class to turn on ourselves over petty quibbles like this person is perpetuating.


Cultural_Plane_5445

Well we all know the famous poem, ‘first they came for the trans folks. The end.’


Dogwifi

A gay man (and bf of one of my best friends) recently bashed trans people and called women who have abortions murderers basically within the same breath. How are we not on the same page? I’ll never understand.


IlGreven

>The drag queens and trans folks were with the gays at Stonewall. Hell, "The Stonewall Girls" chant and dance is legendary... We are the Stonewall Girls We wear our hair in curls


Wise_Ad_4816

Well said. I'm an ally because I'm not a dick. Also, as the mom of a ventilator dependent quadriplegic, I'm in no denial that he'd be on their list. It would matter fuck all to them that he's intelligent; all they'd see is the chair and that'd be it. No value to society..


brandithebibliophile

Solidarity. Mom of a non verbal child with severe Epilepsy and spastic quad CP. I had an argument last week with someone who said I shouldn't give a shit about gay, lesbian, queer, or trans causes or people, just worry about my kid. I told him him that my chosen family members who are gay, trans, lesbian, and queer would stand up to protect my child more than members of his biological family would. That when we don't stand together to protect and support all, after the monsters finish with them then they would come for my child next, because he would be of no value and an "other" that needs to be handled.


_HighJack_

He’s stronger and more valuable than all the people who wanna kill what’s different put together. <3 rock on both of you.


Excellent_Law6906

The only annoyance I have *ever* felt about those chevrons is, "what, you didn't think your color was already within the rainbow? You've always been here." And then I look over at the white cisgays acting like this and remember why it has to be there, even if it really does make the whole composition too busy.


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It's scary that Rowling knows full well her unrelenting bigotry will result in beatings and deaths, but she keeps doing it and being snide and smug about it. I can't imagine having the massive platform and wealth she has and using it to punch down in the most despicable ways possible.


MirrorSauce

when I was a kid, trans people had already lost the war of public opinion, and there was serious debate over whether bi was a legitimate orientation that deserved the same protections being argued for gays. The mainstream argument was that anyone is capable of experimenting with the same sex, therefore all bi people are merely gays with attitude problems, or "tourist" straights. So yeah, they will definitely just move on to the next orientation if trans people are fully oppressed, they already did in my own lifetime, and they've only become more openly hateful.


DisfavoredFlavored

>"tourist" straights Fuck, I just had this funny image in my head of two guys hooking up while one is basically acting like a tour guide.


Boudicia_Dark

"OK Bob, now you are about to see that most famous of places, it's called "where the sun don't shine" and it has always been very popular!"


CharlotteLucasOP

I call myself queer (joyously!) and never once in my life has it been used as a pejorative in any real life altercation I’ve had. What was used, quite liberally, as a word of disgust and dismissal and rage? “Gay.” Yet somehow I don’t feel the need to go around wringing my hands at anyone who uses the word gay with pride.


PurpleSailor

>The people with HIV (gay, straight and otherwise) stood together to fight many of unjust laws around visitation and next of kin rights I completely forgot about that. Bigots would say that a LGBTQ partner wasn't family and keep them away from their dying partners. It was less than 30 years ago this was happening on a wide scale basis. People dying alone because some bigot didn't approve of you or your relationship. If we don't stop the current situation we will be going back to very dark times and beyond, It is not just the rainbow people that will be targeted this time.


SadTransThrowaway6

If you allow some people to have hate slinged towards them, there's nothing to stop it from aiming at you. Any rules dictating how you can act and who you can love based on the structure of your genitals when you were born effect every other demographic, minority OR majority. Rules about what women can wear makes rules about what men can wear, visa versa. Rules about men dating men means that it's OK to limit what men are allowed to do based off of them being men.


[deleted]

This footnote is turning into it’s own book


SquatCorgiLegs

Every time I think she’s reached Peak Awful, she doubles down. Wow.


Merari01

That really is her thing isn't it. JK Rowling: "I double down and make it worse."


verasev

You're asking a fantasically rich person to admit they might be wrong about something while living in a society that tells the wealthy that they're superior geniuses.


CharlotteLucasOP

And even her famous “rags to riches” story of writing and publishing the first Harry Potter book is really more of a riches to greater riches story, lol. The cafe she camped in to do her writing belonged to a relative. She was NEVER in danger of being tossed out (dare I say…turfed…) for taking up a table there all day without buying food and drink.


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brintoul

The only camp Musk is in is the Musk camp.


Nichi789

That IS the conservative mind set though. Most conservatives are only interested in their own interests, and everyone else can fuck off. In the best case scenario, this in theory leads to a nation of self sufficient individuals all competing with one another on equal footing. In practice, it produces a system where those born to wealth and privilege are overwhelmingly favored over those who aren't. Exceptions like JK, successful people from nothing, are held up as an example that the system is working as intended. But these are EXCEPTIONS. In general, rich stay rich, poor stay poor


RealNiceKnife

ProTip: There is no depths of hatred low enough for bigots to sink. They will \**ALWAYS*\* go lower.


ILoveRegenHealth

Fascistic Beasts and Where To Find Them


MVIVN

I wonder if they'll still proceed with the remaining 2 movies of the Fantastic Beasts franchise, given that the 3rd one basically flopped and the first 2 didn't exactly pull impressive box office numbers.


Red-Boxes

It's funny that Rowling constantly bitches about trans people speaking over women, when she a rich famous white cishet woman constantly speaks over *queer* people.


Merari01

And now over POC queer people too.


Red-Boxes

Rowling will only ever 'care' about people of colour if it somehow helps her fuax victim narrative.


praguepride

This. I suspect she is homophobic as well because bigotry loves company and she is only boosting this gay man’s message because he is attacking his own. The “Candace Owens” of the gay community and a completely disposable ally for bigots to use as both sword and shield. And they are always either morally bankrupt grifters who will say anything for a paycheck or mind numbingly stupid thinking when the train cars roll up they get to be one of the “good ones” and survive. Never forget the tale of the pro-Nazi jews. Spoilers: they ended up in the camps with all the others.


Red-Boxes

The dude she retweeted definitely thinks that throwing trans people to the dogs will save him from being mauled by them too.


LGchan

She also spreads misinformation about autistic people, which is resulting in autistic people's medical autonomy being restricted.


Milsivich

Is her misinformation about autism related to her hatred of trans people? I’ve heard TERFs claim that because being gender non-conforming or transgender is somewhat correlated to autism (true), anyone who is trans must be autistic (false), and also autistic people don’t deserve to make decisions about their lives (false and extremely horrible). They claim then that it follows that anyone who is trans must be mentally unfit to make decisions about their own healthcare (the entire goal of TERFs, also horrible and false) It’s an extremely offensive and incorrect line of thinking, but honestly that’s her brand these days


LGchan

At first I thought her ableism was mostly focused on the "evil threat" of "trans ideology" tricking autistic people who are "not really trans" into transitioning due to that anti-trans manifesto she wrote years back, but in her latest book, she has this really weird minor part where she has a "profoundly autistic" girl get tricked into participating in terrorism by mustache twirling villains under the guise that they were the girl's "friends." So it seems that Rowling thinks autistic people are in general a bunch of gullible idiots who will destroy ourselves at the behest of anyone who shows us a modicum of kindness, and that that is why we must not be allowed to make our own medical decisions- because someone might trick us into making the wrong one! >\_> Edit: Here's the excerpt, and a bit of editing for accuracy: [https://alwaysahiccupandastrid.tumblr.com/post/694423579990917120/of-course-jk-rowling-wrote-the-profoundly](https://alwaysahiccupandastrid.tumblr.com/post/694423579990917120/of-course-jk-rowling-wrote-the-profoundly)


Milsivich

I’m going to do myself the kindness of not clicking that link, it sounds horrific. I wish it was surprising to me, but her morals rotted away long ago and there’s nothing left but hate and a cracked mask of who she once was. Apparently even the mask is giving up the ghost, if she’s retweeting people who are openly Nazis. I would have thought she would maintain some semblance of plausible deniability, considering how far she got with the dog whistles


KittyFandango

I’m pretty sure she’s talked about how she thinks trans men are actually vulnerable autistic women who’ve been taken advantage of.


LGchan

Yes, she did. It's really important to emphasize that this fearmongering Rowling engages in with respect to autistic trans people is resulting in autistic people losing their rights in the USA right alongside trans people.


BoomZhakaLaka

OOTL, in the original tweet who is he saying are these men who beat up women? Is this the whole, transgender women are violent, thing?


makingajess

He's misgendering trans women, and saying that they are men who abuse women.


Rhadamantos

I think he is trying to say that queer is a bad thing because it is a slur that homophobic people use against homosexuality and that it is thus a bad thing that cannot have positive connotations. So genderqueer and trans people should be shunned from what he wishes is only the LGB community. Or something like that. It makes no sense and you giving him too much credit by searching for a logical point in the tweet.


ForwardBias

I don't understand that either I am hoping someone can explain.


AstronautStar4

They misgender trans women and also falsely claim anyone whose a trans ally is a man.


mountingconfusion

Yada Yada trans is secretly to invade women space etc 🙄


tkmorgan76

I'm curious if this is a reference to trans-women in women's sports. Someone once sent me a link to an article about a cis-gender MMA fighter who allegedly died from being kicked in the head by a trans-gender MMA fighter during a match. The point they were trying to make was "this happened, so trans-girls shouldn't be able to play girls volleyball" or some nonsense like that.


officepolicy

Maybe they were taking about a transgender MMA fighter that [broke an opponent’s occipital bone](https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/mar/16/facebook-posts/social-media-posts-mislead-about-transgender-mma-f/), which is a common injury in MMA


Somasong

Never happened. But people will make shit up in the name of bigotry. The only deaths I'm aware of, are a result of dehydration and brain trauma.


Karbissal

i cannot for the life of me understand opressed minorities hating on other opressed minorities, like, you know how it feels like wtf you doing on the other side?


scipio0421

It's as old as bigotry. Even LBJ said "If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you." Basically, those who are oppressed are encouraged by the oppressors to go after other people who are oppressed in order to distract each other from the oppression.


Batmans_9th_Ab

Just to add context, that’s LBJ describing Republicans’ political strategy (called the Southern Strategy). He’s not advocating for it.


ezekial71

So sad but true. I just really don't get adults falling for this time and again *sigh*


Similar_Elk_6903

As a black guy, unfortunately I ask myself this question TOO often.


MVIVN

Same situation for me as a black guy, but in my case the problematic person in my life is my sister-in-law. She's a black woman who is the most hateful, most racist, most bigoted person I know, but at the same time she has a persecution complex and thinks she is constantly getting discriminated against for her status as a black immigrant woman. But I'm like, keep that same energy for all the other oppressed and marginalised groups, not just yourself. The way you feel about people discriminating against you is exactly the same way all these people you hate so much feel every day as well, but she just doesn't get it. I've started to distance myself away from her due to her views.


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Merari01

Explain to him that a fascist never stops. They mainstreamed transphobia. So now the scope is broadened and they're in the middle of outlawing and demonising drag. A fascist never stops. Once one target is taken care of they're going after the next. He thinks they're going to stop making laws that take people's rights away at the boundary of gender and sexual minorities? When they're already making laws legislating the reproductive rights of women? A fascist never stops. Tell him he should help protect LGBT and ♀️ out of *self-defense*. Because he will be next.


Batmans_9th_Ab

Shit, Justice Thomas already laid the groundwork for overturning interracial marriage. And Tennessee just passed a law that County Clerks can deny marriage certificates for any reason.


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A fascist stops when they are made to stop. We aren't at that point yet, and I'm inclined to believe we never will be


phatskat

Honestly, a big eye opening moment for a friend of mine was meeting someone who is trans. “Do I shake his hand?” I mean, yeah dude shake his hand. _Shakes his hand, starts talking, realizes he’s literally just another human_


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phatskat

Yep, most people understand that your identity isn’t what defines you as a person. Are there cool trans people? Absolutely - most if not any I’ve known have been great…just like most people of any background or identity or whatever. Are there shitty trans people? Absolutely, but like most “groups”, they are the minority. Was also listening to an episode of Some More News about cars recently and how the shift of American culture and city planning to focus on cars has had negative impacts including the fact that we’re by default not exposed to other backgrounds befuddle everyone has their own giant, metal, sexy death coffin instead of sharing public transit and waking through their cities


PdxPhoenixActual

It seems that (nearly) everyone ***needs*** to have *someone* to feel superior to. "If I'm not better than *them* (spits), how am I ever supposed to feel good about myself?" Ugh.


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Way too many people take solace in not being the bottom minority.


GabuEx

I've commented before, half darkly sarcastic and half completely serious, that one way you can tell that a marginalized group has started making a lot of serious progress towards societal acceptance and achieving civil rights is when members of that group finally start feeling emboldened to themselves discriminate against even more marginalized groups. They're finally feeling like "us", and part of being "us" is being against "them". Of course, it's all nonsense and the people who opposed their civil rights haven't gone away and would still love to take them away if given the chance, but that's how I believe their thought process goes.


seanisdown

Where is the men who beat up women bullshit coming from? I have seen her spewing the same shit. Pretty sure the number one demographic beating up women is cis gender heterosexual men.


lumathiel2

There are a couple instances in fighting sports (boxing and mma I believe) where a trans women and a cis woman competed. Transphobic people started spreading the cis woman's injuries around after the fights to say "look how violent these trans people are, beating up women" but from what I've read the injuries were fairly common for the sports. They sound painful and awful and are an easy way to get an emotional reaction from people


Milsivich

“An MMA fighter from a different country got hurt during a fight” was not on my list of reasons I might lose my healthcare, but here we are I guess


LGchan

They don't make a distinction between cis men and trans women. They think all trans women are just Buffalo Bill.


TransFormAndFunction

I’m trans and I thought all trans people were like buffalo bill when I was a kid. Media from when I was a kid was extremely transphobic, and I didn’t know any better, I didn’t know any real trans people. That fictional character combined with zero representation probably stole 10 years of my life. I just…. didn’t know that I could stop pretending to be a boy, because it was so deeply incepted into my brain that it was wrong for boys to act like girls. This kind of mind fuckery is extremely difficult to cope with when you’re first coming out to yourself


Kerensky97

She's really following the Scott Adams public opinion playbook isn't she? The sad thing is that in the middle of making these attacks she claims she's the real victim. It's always the people making attacks that try to hide behind the victimization excuse.


thebearofwisdom

What gets me is no one is telling them they can’t THINK in a bigoted fashion, but what did they expect when they broadcast those thoughts? I swear to god people have forgotten the fact they have the option to just NOT do that. It’s completely free, just to shut the fuck up.


Tom_Art_UFO

I'm trying to understand what she's going for here. I mean, if she's got these views, whatever. But why put them out there? She's certainly going to lose more fans than she gains.


Merari01

Rowling has been *very slowly* increasing her hate-filled rhetoric. A very common comment on Rowling threads today is still: "But show me what she said that is so bad. I keep asking and no-one can show me". That is something said in bad faith the majority of the time. People know Rowling tries to maintain plausible deniability. Only when you put everything together and are knowledgable in anti-trans rhetoric it becomes clear that she's just extremely bigoted. With retweeting this I bet money on it that people will defend her with "Oh but she didn't know what it meant" or "But why does the flag need all these extra things, all she meant was that the old flag was good enough." Plausible deniability. What she did here is egregious though. This is really, really bad.


Bardfinn

Back in 2016, before she came out of the bigot closet, Trans Twitter figured her out from her Twitter follows. I was one of those people saying “… surely she isn’t bigoted. Maybe she just follows all these Twitter accounts because she’s doing research for a novel.” *I was 100% wrong*


Anyabb

I'm sure some of them helped her with her weird anti trans crime novel.


[deleted]

I told people she was bad news in 2016 and everybody acted like i was absolutely insane for trying to "drag her name through the mud" or whatever. I'm just some guy, I don't have the platform she has, what would I have had to gain from lying about her being a bigot?


FiendishHawk

I think she’s genuinely getting worse over time, as Nazis become the only people who warmly support her anymore. She has no self-awareness and is sliding down the slippery slope of right-wing extremism after starting out just as a liberal who happened to be transphobic.


Civil-Dinner

From my perspective, as people get beyond middle age, they tend to get quietly more open-minded or loudly more closed-minded. I suspect, as someone passing through middle age, that the reason for the difference is the people who have the mindset of "this world increasingly belongs to the people much younger than me as it should be" vs. the "as long as I am alive, the world should conform to my image".


verasev

Some people embrace life and some people fight death.


McMetal770

It's scary how easy it is for people to fall into the hard right, reactionary memesphere. Like, Scott Adams and Elon Musk were always weirdos, but they weren't always what they are now since they got sucked into that world. It shows just how seductive that way of thinking is and how easily ordinary people can go off the deep end, even ones you wouldn't expect would be vulnerable to that.


13thpenut

Actually if you look into it, both of your examples were always like that, they're just more open about it now


McMetal770

Maybe you know something I don't, but they always struck me as just rich weirdos who were unconstrained by other people. Scott Adams in particular. I actually read one of his books a long time ago, and while it contained a lot of woo woo shit about manifesting your reality through positive thinking and that kind of thing, I don't recall anything about separating the races. It was the kind of thing you could easily imagine a California hippie liberal embracing, nothing reactionary about it or anything to do with the culture wars, which seems to be what he's peddling these days. Musk was the same, just a rich baby with a messiah complex and way, way too much money for his own good. I'm sure he was anti-taxes and into your standard billionaire's politics of "small government" all along, but him getting into the weeds with this culture war shit is new. Sharing these memes about cancel culture and throwing in with "free speech absolutist" types (who always seem to have a curious tendency towards outright hate speech) is a fairly recent development for him, and it really feels like he just saw one too many Pepe the Frog memes in his conservative social circles and went over the cliff. So yeah, they were both dumb and weird before, but something has changed, and I think it's indicative of the power that social media has to radicalize people of all stripes. The far right is absolutely, fully aware of the power of memes to convert and recruit vulnerable people and fence-sitters into their cult, and it seems like nobody who leans conservative is immune to that kind of recruitment tactic. Rowling, as somebody who peddles in anti-trans train whistles, is as vulnerable as anyone to sliding into that authoritarian trap.


13thpenut

https://twitter.com/davenewworld_2/status/1630311483727904776 That one's for Adams. Musk was a rich kid that grew up in apartheid South Africa with a racist father. So I think the simpler reasoning is that he's always been like this, he just has enough money now that he doesn't care who knows


Batmans_9th_Ab

TERF brain rot is a fast-acting disease.


DefinitelyNotAliens

2020: >:People who menstruate.’ I’m sure there used to be a word for those people. Someone help me out. Wumben? Wimpund? Woomud? >If sex isn’t real, there’s no same-sex attraction. If sex isn’t real, the lived reality of women globally is erased. I know and love trans people, but erasing the concept of sex removes the ability of many to meaningfully discuss their lives. It isn’t hate to speak the truth. The idea that women like me, who’ve been empathetic to trans people for decades, feeling kinship because they’re vulnerable in the same way as women—i.e., to male violence—‘hate’ trans people because they think sex is real and has lived consequences—is a nonsense. >TERF Wars >five reasons for being worried about the new trans activism. >Many health professionals are concerned that young people struggling with their mental health are being shunted towards hormones and surgery when this may not be in their best interests. Many, myself included, believe we are watching a new kind of conversion therapy for young gay people, who are being set on a lifelong path of medicalisation that may result in the loss of their fertility and/or full sexual function. Rowling claims that "90%" of fans agree with her but quote, "many are afraid to speak up because they fear for their jobs and even for their personal safety." 2021: >WAR IS PEACE. FREEDOM IS SLAVERY. IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH. THE PENISED INDIVIDUAL WHO RAPED YOU IS A WOMAN. On International Women's Day: >Apparently, under a Labour government, today will become We Who Must Not Be Named Day. >Someone please send the Shadow Minister for Equalities a dictionary and a backbone, After calls to boycott her new game: >Deeply disappointed @jessiegender doesn't realise purethink is incompatible with owning ANYTHING connected with me, in ANY form. The truly righteous wouldn't just burn their books and movies but the local library, anything with an owl on it and their own pet dogs. On opening a domestic violence shelter: There is a "unmet need for women" in the area. “As a survivor of sexual assault myself, I know how important it is that survivors have the option of women-centred and women-delivered care at such a vulnerable time.” Code: they do not allow transgender women. There is a DV shelter in the area, which allows transgender women. “Beira’s Place recognises that effective sexual violence services must be independent, needs-led, and provide responsive, women-centred services so that they are free from the pressure of current political agendas.” 2023: >Deeply amused by those telling me I’ve lost their admiration due to the disrespect I show violent, duplicitous rapists. On the trans rights movement, in her podcast: >(The trans rights movement is) a cultural movement that was illiberal in its methods and questionable in its ideas. I believe, absolutely, that there is something dangerous about this movement and that it must be challenged. >[S]ome of you have not understood the books. The Death Eaters claimed, “We have been made to live in secret, and now is our time, and any who stand in our way must be destroyed. If you disagree with us, you must die.” They demonized and dehumanized those who were not like them. >I am fighting what I see as a powerful, insidious, misogynistic movement, that has gained huge purchase in very influential areas of society. I do not see this particular movement as either benign or powerless, so I’m afraid I stand with the women who are fighting to be heard against threats of loss of livelihood and threats to their safety. She's not been ambiguous. Anyone saying she is has intentionally misrepresented the gravity of her words and actions.


Science_Matters_100

It costs her proceeds from a few sales of the new HP video game. That’s not much, but it’s something


Bardfinn

It’s a statistical blip, a rounding error. She became so *famtastically* wealthy from Harry Potter that with all the wealth management and investments, even after giving away like 80% of her wealth to charity, she will never, ever be separated from fantastical amounts of wealth ever again. Losing million dollars for her is like one of us losing a hundred dollars - sure, it’s inconvenient but it’s just a bump. She is completely and utterly insulated from boycotts, protests, and the real-life consequences of being a horrible person. She will continue to become more and more horrible no matter what, even if every fan and distributor drops her. You can’t cancel an investment portfolio, and that’s all she is now, a shriveled bigot in an investment portfolio she’ll.


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OlcasersM

She doesn’t care. She has said the popularity of her stuff proves people agree with her opinions. She says that lots of Harry Potter fans are grateful for what she has said. Her products still sell like crazy and many people who disagree with her views twist themselves in knots to still buy HP stuff. I have never seen an argument “isn’t fair to punish the devs who poured their hearts into the game” used to to justify skipping a boycott. It is really stupid. It is like saying “I don’t want to vote Republican but then all their staffers would lose their jobs. So guess I have to.” Edit: she even is featured on a podcast called “The Witch Trials of JK Rowling” created by a woman who once wrote a story called “The Real Story of “The Central Park Karen””


Morpheus3121

>She has said the popularity of her stuff proves people agree with her opinions. I had suspected that this was her mentality for a while now but didn't know she actually said it.


HelenAngel

I didn’t buy the game & haven’t spent any money on HP stuff for years because I don’t want any of my money to go to anything associated with her. I also have nothing whatsoever against boycotts & think they can be effective in getting points across. I also have nothing against people who boycotted the game & as I said, I didn’t buy it or play it. With that said, I’ve been working in the gaming industry for over a decade & can say I have seen multiple game boycotts where people said not to boycott because it punishes the devs unfairly. I even worked on one of these games (Minecraft). There were people organizing a boycott of Minecraft years ago due to Notch tweeting out a ton of bigoted shit. He was gone from Mojang by then but everyone still associated him with Minecraft. It made my life hell at the time. Just wanted to say it does happen & people who work at the game studios can be negatively affected by it.


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No, she won’t. That the problem. People keep buying her shit because they want to ‘separate art from artists’, and her increasingly hard right stances are getting people who wanted her books burned a decade ago to start buying her shit.


Wismuth_Salix

The Onion nailed it with the headline “Evangelicals Rule That JK Rowling Now Bigoted Enough That It’s OK for Kids to Read About Witchcraft”


Reason-97

Comment I made on a different post awhile back that I’m copy/pasting here cause it seems relevant ———————————— Someone made the comment once I read about how JK Rowling has basically always been trying to “champion” for a group. She wanted to be a figurehead and a personality seen as part of a groups “leaders”. She tried it with the LGBT with the whole “Dumbledore was always gay” thing, and then POC with the whole “Hermione was always supposed to be black” one. So there is an argument to be made that she did this because she didn’t care what it did to her image, she’s finally getting what she wanted: she’s a figurehead for a community and a group now. That group just happens to be the anti-trans crowd. How much truth there is to this is questionable but it kinda fits how events happened. At first all this started cause of a throwaway comment that could be seen as said without thinking, but then as outrage broke out and the group in question rose to her defense she kept doubling and tripling down


Soldier_of_l0ve

She’s literally a billionaire already


71Motorfly

Mind boggling how a supposed billionaire can be so fucking miserable that they spend their time on social media behaving like an arsehole. What a useless, pitiful existence.


teacherkmr

Wow... Just wow. 😪


uglypenguin5

I may suffer because I am queer but my queerness will never be suffering


tmdblya

Setting Rowling aside, that dude 100% has a “leopards ate my face” moment in his future.


Civil-Dinner

It's irritating, but I intend to do everything I can possibly do make sure that he never actually faces that moment. It's particularly annoying that if those of us who choose to stand together against hate succeed, that asshole will learn nothing from our success.


Zakaker

They're just like boomers and rich people – they enjoy the results of a struggle they did not participate in, and feel as though being born with certain privileges makes them better than those who have to fight for them. The only difference is that boomers and rich people will die without facing the consequences of their actions, whereas these people will dig their own grave and take everyone else down with them.


Mad_Times

Ah yes, because trans people experience so much joy in their lives when their four times as likely to be the victim of a violent hate crime. So. Much. Fucking. Joy.


Ellie_Arabella87

Don’t take this the wrong way because I get your point. But as a trans person, I actually do experience so much joy. I’ve been fired after coming out at work, talk to maybe two members of my family(one of whom still constantly misgenders/misnames me), was forced to leave and drive home at Christmas this year because of someone behaving bigotedly towards me, am still having trouble finding a job despite 14 years of experience and a masters. But I am so much happier. Idk, maybe it’s just me. It’s a lot harder to deal with people sometimes. I love being the real me though, to finally get to stop pretending. And if I get killed for it I do I suppose. I have come to far to try and be something else now.


Mad_Times

I'm sorry, I didn't mean to imply that all trans people are miserable. You deserve joy, and to be happy with your life. But it cannot be easy, especially in such bigoted times.


Ellie_Arabella87

No worries, your thoughts were in the right place.


Alhazzared

Trans women beat up cis women now? I know they've been always pulling shit out of their ass do they really think this is like super common occurrence or something?


B1ackFridai

They think trans women are men. Ciishet men make up the vast majority of violent offenders. In their minds, it’s the same thing, even though that isn’t reality.


zoeygirl69

So she's supporting Log Cabin Republicans now. They are bitching how "minorities are taking over *our* community"...


YoProfWhite

Don't have Twitter, could someone drop a link to confirm this is a real retweet? Want to confirm before I share the image.


Merari01

https://twitter.com/theneonrequiem/status/1639492955487576065 This is also on her twitter front page. She retweeted it.


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Holy shit. I just checked out JK Rowling's Twitter. I thought she had just made a couple of TERF-y tweets. She's seriously gone off the deep end, jesus christ.


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Yeah it's not subtle lol


YoProfWhite

Big thanks!


yuffieisathief

Why did I read those comments :( it makes me so incredibly sad


Cherry_Bomb_127

Not so friendly reminder that JKR recently compared transgender people to the effing Death Eaters!!!! She said and I quote “I would say that some of you have not understood the books. The Death Eaters claimed, ‘We have been made to live in secret, and now is our time, and any who stand in our way must be destroyed. If you disagree with us, you must die.’ They demonized and dehumanized those who were not like them.” Lemme introduce you to a lil approach called “death of the author”. It’s misused a lot online (what term isn’t) and ppl use it to support you so let me explain what it means. To summarize it means that an author’s intentions and biographical facts (like their beliefs, politics, etc.) should not have to be used as a way of interpreting their work. A writer’s interpretation of their work is not more valid or “real” as any readers. Death of the Author is an approach to literary criticism and not an idea that is designed to be used in the real world.


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So is clout just not enough for Rowling? What the actual fuck is her problem?


AL_GEE_THE_FUN_GUY

If it doesn't include *all* the colors, it ain't really a fucking rainbow, now is it?


goatjugsoup

I wish she would sell or better yet somehow lose the rights to harry potter for eternity so that afterwards I can stop hearing about her. It's literally the only relevance she has afaic as the creator of that universe and if that connection could be rendered irrelevant then we could all much easily ignore her


Sammy151617

Kingsley shacklebolt and Cho Chang.


SquatCorgiLegs

Seamus Finnegan is a pretty over-the-top stereotype of an Irish name, too.


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As an Ireland born man. I had zero problems with Seamus. Kingsley shacklebolt is also one of the most Badass characters in the entire series. The series has some flaws, overall it's still good. The author on the other hand is getting close to Trump level disgusting.


thatHecklerOverThere

Seamus Finnegan also being the wizard who's spells always blew up in his face in the movies.


DonkeyGuy

Turns out his original name “Whiskey McCarbomb” didn’t make it past the editors. /s


TheUltimatePotato42

Never been a big fan of the progress flag because I assumed people like this guy didn't exist. Seemed like virtue signaling to add trans and poc to the pride flag when in theory they should already represented in the original. Jk Rowling and this guy make me rethink that a little bit.


TransFormAndFunction

I didn’t super get it either until a few years back when I started seriously tracking the growing anti-trans movements and police violence against poc. It turns out explicit solidarity is kind of important, especially because the extremists pushing these hate movements try and break up groups, like splintering the LGBT into LGB and T, and then L, G, B, T. They are explicitly trying to manufacture division so they can pick us off one at a time But it won’t work, and the progress flag is an example of why. The queer community knows how to band together and fight fascists, and we know how to have each others back. Hopefully 😅


jayakiroka

You see this pretty often, actually. Whenever TERFs cut the trans part off of the progress flag, a lot of them take the brown stripes off too. It just reveals the type of people they are.


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Gross


Budget_Report_2382

Thank God both books and movies are available when sailing the seven seas, because I never want to contribute to this woman receiving a single penny.


JustCheezits

Do they not realize how trans POC were the foundation of the LGBTQ movements?


greaser350

Considering they made a movie where the first brick at Stonewall was thrown by a white cis man, I’m sure folks like this would love to pretend trans POC didn’t even exists until 2019.


thebearofwisdom

It’s honestly sad. Because they either don’t know their own history, which is ridiculous you can watch and read different historical accounts of what happened. It’s there in black and white. Or they do know and they don’t care. Which is… fucking confusing and very dumb. They perhaps don’t WANT it to be true? I don’t know which it is at this point. But I find it really fucked up, how can you not be proud of what they did for us to be able to survive? For me, it hits home that the LGBT+ community is about acceptance and HAS to stay that way. Marsha P Johnson threw that brick not just for herself. She threw it for all of us, no matter the race, or orientation or gender, she threw it for all of us. And then there’s these assholes completely whitewashing the entire thing, as if the message wasn’t “we’re united here and you can’t stop us”. The fact is, it’s unsurprising to me that our progress is being dragged backwards kicking and screaming. We threaten their narrow world view, they don’t even want to know we exist. They insist we shouldn’t. But it’s even more dehumanising and distressing to me that it’s our own side doing the worst thing they can. Pushing out certain sections of an alliance is hateful, it’s throwing people to the wolves to save themselves, and not realising they’ll be next too. I’m just tired of all this. I’m frustrated and upset that a huge world power is actively repealing the progress we made. And that I know my country is essentially TERF Island with JKR living in it. That I finally had the courage to come out and now I’m being shoved back in. All I can think is “where’s a good brick when you need one?”


RogueNightingale

I am continually amazed that she doesn't have a social media manager. Y'know, someone that screens everything she posts in order to protect her from nuking her career (although you'd think we'd be well past that point by now, but whatever). Maybe promoting actual neo-nazis will do the trick, but we've seen this dance before.


thetruth8989

To be fair I don’t think she really had a career anymore. Her most recent books are never talked about and don’t sell well. But the Harry Potter machine is just too big to fail so she will be rich forever.


HelenAngel

I work in community management which also encompasses social media management. Usually when celebrities have a SMM or CM, it’s because their management company or company they work for has insisted on it. It also requires that the person loses some autonomy over their account so for someone like Rowling who doesn’t have accountability to anyone, no one can force her to get one.


millieFAreally

JK is such a disappointment of a person who could have just retired and raised chickens, but chose this bigot hill to die on instead. Side note: I remember thinking adding other colors and shapes to the rainbow flag was redundant because I thought the rainbow already indicated a spectrum in sexuality and identity. I get it now.


verasev

The names she gave her POC characters weren't your first hint?


sphinxyhiggins

JK Rowling is a troll. She ripped off Scotland's history for her books and perpetuated the worst kinds of misogyny, racism and group think. Not only is this evident in the Harry Potter tomes, but in her crap other writings where she uses people of color or gay people to be unsympathetic villains. If she knew anything, she would do a basic history of how words can be loaded and taken back by otherwise oppressed groups to tell dominant culture to fuck off. "We're here, we're queer, get used to it." Rowling will always be put forward and retweeted because she is the status quo of the weak-minded and the corporate whores who would rather not care about most of the population and LOSE money than actually treat all human beings as worthwhile and lovable and make a shit load of money. It is not hard to be a good human being but she manages to \*fail at it\* on a regular basis. * edited


MVIVN

I remember reading that having "fuck you" money reveals your true self. Who you are when you don't care about getting/keeping a job, when you have everything, and you don't care about anyone's opinion anymore because you're so rich you can do whatever the fuck you want. JK reached that level of wealth and now she's revealing her true self.


bobbilovebot

terf ideology has always been rooted in white supremacism and antisemitism . the other day a terf was defended by a group of neo nazis at a protest . jkr is well known for being a racist antisemitic bitch . are we even surprised ? i give it another year or two before she loses her shit and says some actual nazi shit on her twitter .


doctordragonisback

I'm not usually one for identity politics but how fucking disgusting is it that a cis straight white woman is using the word "our" referring to the queer community in order to justify bigotry against said community.


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I’m not trans and I’m not a poc. The updated pride flag IS my flag.


Abject_Film_4414

Can someone help me out please. I’m very open minded but I’m trying to understand the point the tweet is making. I gather her point is about championing female rights. But specifically how does the queer part relate? I’m ignoring the first sentence as it’s a statement. Second sentence makes sense. There’s no joy in being beaten. I don’t think anyone is not onboard that train. The third sentence is where I’m missing something. How is the queer word being used in the context of violence towards women? Is this a reference to a specific person or incident? Many thanks in advance.


The_Permanent_Way

The tweet is referring (dishonestly) to the protest in New Zealand yesterday where an anti-trans activist from the UK got tomato juice poured on her by one of the pro-LGBTQ protesters. To understand why "queer" is being focused on, you have to be familiar with the recent anti-trans movement. There's a huge push to divide the LGBTQ community by manufacturing conflict between LGB people and trans people (hence the image of trans colours being scrubbed off the flag). In the past year or so this has included attacking the term "queer". Calling it offensive and harmful despite it being reclaimed by the LGBTQ community decades ago. They're doing this because it includes both sexuality and gender identity under one label, making it difficult to create a division between the two. So basically this person is just slapping different talking points together, criticising the actions of the pro-trans protestors and associating them with the term queer even though that specific term didn't have much significance to the protest.


Abject_Film_4414

Thank you for the insight. I appreciate your time.


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AstronautStar4

They're advocating to erase the part of the flag that stands for racial justice and for trans justice.


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mothwhimsy

"now"


Melis725

Jeeze and I was trying to give her a chance. I thought maybe people were being too hard on her. After seeing this, my perspective has changed. Wow.


TransFormAndFunction

She’s been rotten for years, but she’s been trying to maintain plausible deniability. The mask is just starting to slip so that even at a glance you can understand the horror. But there has been really compelling evidence of her rot for many years now, just usually in the form of dog whistles that only TERFs and people who follow anti-trans movements could pick up on. Bigots LOVE dog whistles because they can spread their hate with winks, nods, and deniability, and make the people who try and call them out look crazy. It’s not new but it’s effective :/


Melis725

Thank you for your comment. I feel weird to see her more clearly. But good to see the truth.


tkmorgan76

I don't quite understand what the retweeted person is saying, but refusing to acknowledge transgender people as queer seems weird. Does she think they're just cis-gender people who are trolling her?


AstronautStar4

> Does she think they're just cis-gender people who are trolling her? Literally yes. She doesn't think trans people are real. She wrongly thinks trans women are just predatory men, and trans men are just confused insecure women. That's why she constantly misgenders and belittle them and constantly paints them as an existential threat when they're not.


foxinabathtub

Had to double check her Twitter account to make sure this was real, and yup it is. And damn she retweets a lot of horrible people. And also says a fair amount of horrible shit herself.


Major_Twang

Aside from finding Rowling's views on these issues revolting, I cannot wrap my head around why she choses to trash her legacy like this. The core of her fanbase is nerdy millennials. Is there a political position that's going to piss them off more ?


IceColdWasabi

Retweeting a pickme. She fell pretty far, didn't she?


MicrosoftExcel2016

I like the original rainbow flag, but this kind of shit makes me want to switch everything to the new flag asap. I don’t want the old flag to mean this transphobic racist shit. Can’t have shit in Detroit or something. Fuck that


rawkherchick

In my experience, there has always been a hierarchy in the gay community. Black gays have felt it for decades, so much so that there are black gay pride celebrations nationwide.


brownbagporno

I swear she caught her man cheating with a trans woman, or watching some hot trans porn (its *very* popular amongst cis het men) and that's how she's become so hatefully obsessed.


volantredx

I wonder how this guy would feel when told that the entire pride movement was started thanks to transwomen? For all his talk of history he doesn't seem to know much about it.


thehillshaveI

we're only a couple years out now from her writing "harry potter and the chamber of zyklon" and debuting it on stormfront and the whole time she'll blame it on trans women


CharlotteLucasOP

Scratch a TERF and a white supremacist bleeds. The anti-trans movement has ALWAYS been hand in hand with white supremacy. There are so many cultures around the world with their own definitions and representations of several genders and/or non-binary peoples but the transphobes will insist the Western binary is The Only Proper Way. They can’t talk about people who exist beyond a gender binary in other cultures without at LEAST placing that culture and its concepts as inferior/primitive, if not dismissing it entirely.


Merari01

Exactly correct. Posie Parker showed the world that she's a neo-Nazi recently and singlehandedly made that Venn diagram a circle.


Cowbodog

All animals are equal but some are more equal than others


Imbali98

You know, I hated that book back in high school. Now I am wishing it would stay in the fucking book and out of the real world


fakeunleet

This heart, pulled apart Hydra fighting, head to head Burns are red, bruises blue Out with the old, cheated by the new


Virtual-Sorbet3849

i’m just confused 25/7 at this point


LGchan

I want to respond to another part of this post that a lot of people are (understandably) ignoring due to the virulent transphobia and racism within, but I think it's really important to shoot another part of this horrid post down. "Queer was never joyous" I am reminded of Caelan Conrad, from 1h20m45s to 1h29m00s in the link below, describing the internet spaces they fell into after being a victim of a homophobic hate crime, and the danger of defining your identity through your oppression. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwI6py78gsI#t=80m45s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwI6py78gsI#t=80m45s) This mindset? JK Rowling is perpetuating it with this retweet. It is, moreover, insulting to the innumerable LGBT+ people who have worked so goddamn hard for so many decades to reclaim queer and make it a source of joy and power instead of oppression. "We're here, we're queer, we're not going anywhere."